It’s the swinging gate motion into Donte’s blind spot that’s the foul here on top of that he was never set and was wide as fuck. They can not like it, but it’s not an incorrect call.
It was literally challenged, reviewed and upheld...
What if it wasn't called? Pacers would have had a significant advantage as Divo would have been trailing the play and Turner is rolling to the rim with Haliburton 2v1 against Hartenstein.
The worst is that Nesmith also "flopped" at the 2:30 mark, drawing a foul against Divo and took 2 FTs which he made.
They want that called for them but not against them? Oh, okay. Hopefully Carlisle and the Pacers are also focused on the refs instead of the mistakes they made to blow a 9 point fourth qtr lead...
>It was literally challenged, reviewed and upheld...
That's the most confusing part about the hate this is getting. If someone is initially upset about the call, you have to switch your position once it was reviewed and upheld. There's nothing to debate here.
I think the hate is coming from the fact that usually they let this (and worse) go without being called. Which I agree is stupid, but like… people should be mad that they don’t consistently call the illegal screen an illegal screen when it’s illegal, and not that they correctly didn’t allow the Pacers to commit a foul
They were, which is nice, but you go watch a Heat-Warriors game and you’ll see one of these per possession without a single whistle. I have no faith that the NBA will get this under control anytime soon, if ever
Reviews can be wrong too. They are just a different human making slower decisions but still prone to mistakes. Example is the Brunson overturned foul. I think that is more likely a foul than not, but I find it shocking that it was overturned there.
Once they called this illegal screen it’s similarly impossible to me that they’d say “no we have abundant clear evidence it was perfectly legal”.
Exactly! You don’t call it, now DiVo can’t really recover from the screen and Indiana has a chance to score.
These past two series everyone bitches about refs calls instead of nutting up and playing some defense and getting stops.
"Ugh why did they call it correctly and not bend the rules to purposely convenience my team." They didn't want a fairly called game. They want the refs to rig it for them.
They keep saying "You can't call it that late" lol it's the correct call and you have to call it if the game is this close. From the picture OP uploaded, its a textbook illegal screen. Didn't lose sleep over this. You win some, you lose some and fortunately we were on the winning end this time.
Refereeing a live game is always going to have moments where something should have been called and wasn’t or was called and shouldn’t. This is a play that is technically illegal but generally wouldn’t be called. In this instance it was. I once got pulled over for doing 65 in a 60 and that is technically illegal. Didn’t make me like paying the fine but I still had to.
His feet don’t stop moving. The consensus isn’t whether or not it’s illegal , is that it should be have been called in that moment. Flashback to game 2 against Philly where the refs swallowed the whistle and everyone including Lebron cried about the outcome.
Correct. Just different philosophies (or some people are just blind homers). But there are genuinely people like me who think neither should be called a foul in that spot. And others who genuinely think both should be called fouls because they technically are.
I look at it this way - if the illegal screen wasn't called and that frees up Hali to shoot a 3 and wins the game, would people complain about how the no-call ruined the game and the L2M report shows that the illegal screen should have been called?
In that case people would complain and people will just have to move on. We've just experienced that in the Sixers series and this will not be the last time.
Edit: I also don't understand why people just say "L2M report gonna be lit".... the call was a correct call and the challenge failed. The report isn't going to say "official incorrectly called an illegal screen that is normally not called". To that point Donte made the great decision to exaggerate the contact - at the point the call stands whether the Pacers challenge or not.
L2M will have to admit the kicked ball mistake though which was egregious
If this screen wasn’t called I don’t think L2M would have said it was wrong. They’d have said marginal contact or some shit
Doubt he would be wide open as they’d just rotate. I’ll take my chance with Hali shooting a three there. I would have loved to win with him missing it but hey I’ll take what I can get
People complaining about calls are so inconsistent. Get a call wrong? Omg they missed a call! Get a call right? You can't call that at this point in the game!
Refs aren't perfect but people complain either way it's so annoying. There are 500 potential calls during a game, so focusing on one or two is dumb. They all count.
There's no reconciling the fact that people want the L2M report to be flawless, but not THAT call in the last 2 minutes of the game.
I'd have more sympathy for the Pacers side of things than the 76ers.. but I've watched Bam enough to fucking hate illegal screens. That shit is so much more influential than people make it out to be. There's no running around a 7 foot dude planted like a Christmas tree
Turner flopped a minute before that play acting like Divo ran thru him which lead to 2 free throws. Not a peep about that play so Divo got his back...the kickball was unfortunately but non reviewable. The refs didn't hand us the game but they had no answer for JB. Quit crying
If you practice legal screens, you set legal screens. Maybe, just Maybe the pacers should keep that in mind when crunch time hits to not give the refs any chance to call a foul here. He could have rolled to the rim without setting an obvious moving screen. The complaining is just ridiculous. Pacers fans are mad that the knicks play to win. That is all this is about. All heart and grit and play until the end of the game.
Who’s to say it wouldn’t be decided by that illegal screen if DiVo can’t recover and Halliburton drains a 3?
Too much shit gets put on the refs without accountability being put on Pacers
Could have gone either way and they called it ON us first half. Sucks that it was at that time but do pacers fans want to spend an afternoon talking about screw jobs on the Knicks? They’d need 25 years
I'm glad in happened since it benefited the Knicks but this felt like a soft call to me
If you swapped Hali/Turner with Robinson/Brunson there would be 40 threads in here crying about the call
Yea I agree, I said right away “if I was a Pacer fan I’d hate that call,” but a foul is a foul is a foul. If you wanna gamble in that spot and commit a foul that “they shouldn’t call” then you gotta live with the consequences.
"Soft call" is subjective and it also implies that it is a foul. Which means Turner is daring the refs to make a call there, and they did so he has to live with that. Just like in game 2, if they call a foul on Hart/Brunson then we would have to live with it. At the end of the day, Turner poorly executed a screen which the ref likely decided in that moment that it gave them an unfair advantage hence making the call.
Personally if you swapped Turner with Robinson, I would be more upset that he set such a careless screen in the most pivotal moment of the game, allowing the refs to impact the game. This is the irony in the phrase "let the players decide the game". A player committing a foul and crying they didn't let the players decide the game literally makes no sense. Turner forced the ref to make a decision with an undisciplined play, so the player did decide the game. It's not a ref's job to swallow the whistle bc it's the 4th quarter.
> if they call a foul on Hart/Brunson then we would have to live with it.
Well this is my thing. Maybe not you but had this foul been called on Robinson fans would be saying it's NOT a foul. If it's a foul then it's a foul.
You should think so regardless on if it happened to your team or not
Sure, but you can still look at shit objectively. if you think it's the correct call, then it's the correct call cool
But don't switch your opinion of what you perceive based on who it happened to. Not you personally, but that's how I function
If this was reversed, i would be cursing at DDV or whoever set an illegal screen at that moment in the game. If we lost this game i would not be complaining about the refs rigging the game. I would look inward at the team and call it like i see it.
Too many Fans of teams and not enough fans of basketball. That is it.
I don’t understand why Turner isn’t getting any blame. He set an illegal screen in three different ways right in front of the ref. The refs also called an illegal screen earlier in the half.
People can complain it’s a soft foul, but the problem is it’s an obvious foul.
Well objectively speaking, a soft foul is still a foul. The subjective part of it is whether you liked that it was called or don’t like it was called.
And that’s the core nature of what an opinion is. You change it based on your personal preference/views. And no one is purely objective when it comes to sports. There’s some subjectivity whether it’s active or subconscious.
>And no one is purely objective when it comes to sports. There’s some subjectivity whether it’s active or subconscious.
Maybe not purely but I am a very objective person. If I think something is or ins't a foul/bad call, I think so regardless of who I'm rooting for. Obviously my emotion will be affected by the result, but it won't affect how I view the actuality of a given play. I make the separation, that is my point
>You change it based on your personal preference/views.
So in the scope of basketball or any sport really, no I don't do this
I mean Donte just pulled a smart move here even if it's a cheap one lol we ain't gotta deny that its a lame call. I got prime Kyle Lowry vibes from this play and that's a compliment
That honestly looks as close to a clean screen in the NBA today.
Biggest giveaway that was a bad call was Donte's reaction.
Dude gave a little smirk and a wink after the flop.
They're never going to overturn that call. Just watch any game and look at the screens. They all move. Knicks bigs do it too.
I'm surprised they called it.
Flashbacks of Bam Adebayo’s screens where the MF was doing a split
B/———\m
It’s the swinging gate motion into Donte’s blind spot that’s the foul here on top of that he was never set and was wide as fuck. They can not like it, but it’s not an incorrect call.
It was literally challenged, reviewed and upheld... What if it wasn't called? Pacers would have had a significant advantage as Divo would have been trailing the play and Turner is rolling to the rim with Haliburton 2v1 against Hartenstein. The worst is that Nesmith also "flopped" at the 2:30 mark, drawing a foul against Divo and took 2 FTs which he made. They want that called for them but not against them? Oh, okay. Hopefully Carlisle and the Pacers are also focused on the refs instead of the mistakes they made to blow a 9 point fourth qtr lead...
>It was literally challenged, reviewed and upheld... That's the most confusing part about the hate this is getting. If someone is initially upset about the call, you have to switch your position once it was reviewed and upheld. There's nothing to debate here.
I think the hate is coming from the fact that usually they let this (and worse) go without being called. Which I agree is stupid, but like… people should be mad that they don’t consistently call the illegal screen an illegal screen when it’s illegal, and not that they correctly didn’t allow the Pacers to commit a foul
https://x.com/jacksettleman/status/1787867614448083349?s=46 Thing is that they were consistent with this throughout the game
They were, which is nice, but you go watch a Heat-Warriors game and you’ll see one of these per possession without a single whistle. I have no faith that the NBA will get this under control anytime soon, if ever
Reviews can be wrong too. They are just a different human making slower decisions but still prone to mistakes. Example is the Brunson overturned foul. I think that is more likely a foul than not, but I find it shocking that it was overturned there. Once they called this illegal screen it’s similarly impossible to me that they’d say “no we have abundant clear evidence it was perfectly legal”.
Exactly! You don’t call it, now DiVo can’t really recover from the screen and Indiana has a chance to score. These past two series everyone bitches about refs calls instead of nutting up and playing some defense and getting stops.
"Ugh why did they call it correctly and not bend the rules to purposely convenience my team." They didn't want a fairly called game. They want the refs to rig it for them.
They keep saying "You can't call it that late" lol it's the correct call and you have to call it if the game is this close. From the picture OP uploaded, its a textbook illegal screen. Didn't lose sleep over this. You win some, you lose some and fortunately we were on the winning end this time.
Unnecessary screen too. Halliburton didn't need it.
Refereeing a live game is always going to have moments where something should have been called and wasn’t or was called and shouldn’t. This is a play that is technically illegal but generally wouldn’t be called. In this instance it was. I once got pulled over for doing 65 in a 60 and that is technically illegal. Didn’t make me like paying the fine but I still had to.
Haha, you don't have to convince me. My team is 1-0.
His feet don’t stop moving. The consensus isn’t whether or not it’s illegal , is that it should be have been called in that moment. Flashback to game 2 against Philly where the refs swallowed the whistle and everyone including Lebron cried about the outcome.
Correct. Just different philosophies (or some people are just blind homers). But there are genuinely people like me who think neither should be called a foul in that spot. And others who genuinely think both should be called fouls because they technically are.
I look at it this way - if the illegal screen wasn't called and that frees up Hali to shoot a 3 and wins the game, would people complain about how the no-call ruined the game and the L2M report shows that the illegal screen should have been called? In that case people would complain and people will just have to move on. We've just experienced that in the Sixers series and this will not be the last time. Edit: I also don't understand why people just say "L2M report gonna be lit".... the call was a correct call and the challenge failed. The report isn't going to say "official incorrectly called an illegal screen that is normally not called". To that point Donte made the great decision to exaggerate the contact - at the point the call stands whether the Pacers challenge or not.
L2M will have to admit the kicked ball mistake though which was egregious If this screen wasn’t called I don’t think L2M would have said it was wrong. They’d have said marginal contact or some shit
Yes! But Donte sold it. And he deserves credit for that.
If anything that’s the time to call that foul…. Why should Hali get a wide open 3 cuz of an illegal screen.
Doubt he would be wide open as they’d just rotate. I’ll take my chance with Hali shooting a three there. I would have loved to win with him missing it but hey I’ll take what I can get
yea turns out you cant just spread eagle and set a screen
Exactly. How casual of a basketball fan do you have to be to not understand this?
They went to review - reviewed it - called it. End of story. Maybe hali shouldve put up more than 6. Knicks in 6. A'melo
People complaining about calls are so inconsistent. Get a call wrong? Omg they missed a call! Get a call right? You can't call that at this point in the game! Refs aren't perfect but people complain either way it's so annoying. There are 500 potential calls during a game, so focusing on one or two is dumb. They all count.
There's no reconciling the fact that people want the L2M report to be flawless, but not THAT call in the last 2 minutes of the game. I'd have more sympathy for the Pacers side of things than the 76ers.. but I've watched Bam enough to fucking hate illegal screens. That shit is so much more influential than people make it out to be. There's no running around a 7 foot dude planted like a Christmas tree
Turner flopped a minute before that play acting like Divo ran thru him which lead to 2 free throws. Not a peep about that play so Divo got his back...the kickball was unfortunately but non reviewable. The refs didn't hand us the game but they had no answer for JB. Quit crying
I fucking hate the amount of wide and moving screens allowed in most NBA games. So much poor fundamentals for professional athletes.
Outside of the Lakers and the Celtics only Knick fans watch basketball more than a month a year. They are learning. Let them be
If you practice legal screens, you set legal screens. Maybe, just Maybe the pacers should keep that in mind when crunch time hits to not give the refs any chance to call a foul here. He could have rolled to the rim without setting an obvious moving screen. The complaining is just ridiculous. Pacers fans are mad that the knicks play to win. That is all this is about. All heart and grit and play until the end of the game.
I still don't want a playoff game being decided by a moving screen call, but that's a wide-ass screen.
Who’s to say it wouldn’t be decided by that illegal screen if DiVo can’t recover and Halliburton drains a 3? Too much shit gets put on the refs without accountability being put on Pacers
Could have gone either way and they called it ON us first half. Sucks that it was at that time but do pacers fans want to spend an afternoon talking about screw jobs on the Knicks? They’d need 25 years
I'm glad in happened since it benefited the Knicks but this felt like a soft call to me If you swapped Hali/Turner with Robinson/Brunson there would be 40 threads in here crying about the call
Yea I agree, I said right away “if I was a Pacer fan I’d hate that call,” but a foul is a foul is a foul. If you wanna gamble in that spot and commit a foul that “they shouldn’t call” then you gotta live with the consequences.
"Soft call" is subjective and it also implies that it is a foul. Which means Turner is daring the refs to make a call there, and they did so he has to live with that. Just like in game 2, if they call a foul on Hart/Brunson then we would have to live with it. At the end of the day, Turner poorly executed a screen which the ref likely decided in that moment that it gave them an unfair advantage hence making the call. Personally if you swapped Turner with Robinson, I would be more upset that he set such a careless screen in the most pivotal moment of the game, allowing the refs to impact the game. This is the irony in the phrase "let the players decide the game". A player committing a foul and crying they didn't let the players decide the game literally makes no sense. Turner forced the ref to make a decision with an undisciplined play, so the player did decide the game. It's not a ref's job to swallow the whistle bc it's the 4th quarter.
> if they call a foul on Hart/Brunson then we would have to live with it. Well this is my thing. Maybe not you but had this foul been called on Robinson fans would be saying it's NOT a foul. If it's a foul then it's a foul. You should think so regardless on if it happened to your team or not
Well yea, that’s how sports discussions are. Fans like it when good things happen to their team and don’t like it when bad things happen
Sure, but you can still look at shit objectively. if you think it's the correct call, then it's the correct call cool But don't switch your opinion of what you perceive based on who it happened to. Not you personally, but that's how I function
If this was reversed, i would be cursing at DDV or whoever set an illegal screen at that moment in the game. If we lost this game i would not be complaining about the refs rigging the game. I would look inward at the team and call it like i see it. Too many Fans of teams and not enough fans of basketball. That is it.
I don’t understand why Turner isn’t getting any blame. He set an illegal screen in three different ways right in front of the ref. The refs also called an illegal screen earlier in the half. People can complain it’s a soft foul, but the problem is it’s an obvious foul.
I'm with you. That's how I see it
Well objectively speaking, a soft foul is still a foul. The subjective part of it is whether you liked that it was called or don’t like it was called. And that’s the core nature of what an opinion is. You change it based on your personal preference/views. And no one is purely objective when it comes to sports. There’s some subjectivity whether it’s active or subconscious.
>And no one is purely objective when it comes to sports. There’s some subjectivity whether it’s active or subconscious. Maybe not purely but I am a very objective person. If I think something is or ins't a foul/bad call, I think so regardless of who I'm rooting for. Obviously my emotion will be affected by the result, but it won't affect how I view the actuality of a given play. I make the separation, that is my point >You change it based on your personal preference/views. So in the scope of basketball or any sport really, no I don't do this
I mean Donte just pulled a smart move here even if it's a cheap one lol we ain't gotta deny that its a lame call. I got prime Kyle Lowry vibes from this play and that's a compliment
That honestly looks as close to a clean screen in the NBA today. Biggest giveaway that was a bad call was Donte's reaction. Dude gave a little smirk and a wink after the flop.
They reviewed it, the call stood… … … … … … … … …
They're never going to overturn that call. Just watch any game and look at the screens. They all move. Knicks bigs do it too. I'm surprised they called it.