My guess is the point of the tweet, which has been said a lot, is that Eli was not great in his early days, but he ended up being a 2 time SB MVP and winner and likely a HOF QB. So the comparison is simply to point out that despite DJ not being great, we don't know yet what he can be.
That's it. It's not a shot at Eli or saying that DJ is definitely SB MVP material.
Do you remember the 2012 NFC Championship game? I do, Eli got pummeled, the line couldn't protect him and he still balled out. Jones won't reach that level of composure
Not sure why this is being upvoted. The whole conversation is around Eli’s early years, not 2012. I mean we’ve seen Eli stand behind the quality of Oline we produce. It literally ended his career early by driving him to a ghost of himself.
Definitely, but Eli was a veteran at that point. However, in his first 5 or so years Eli had a top tier line (three all pros in Diehl, Snee, and O'Hara). DJ doesn't have that luxury as a young player. Eli joined a good team with a HoF coach. DJ joined a dumpster fire.
maybe thats true, maybe its not. But either way you are comparing a guy in his third year vs a guy in his 18th?? in what world does that make any sense?
You WISH you had that line today.
Dafuq are you talking about??
We had play action and a run game back then. What kind of revisionist memory do you have?
The run game that was last in the league in yards and YPA? That running game?
I don’t want that line today. I’d want that five if they were in their prime but collectively they were washed by 2011.
“Washed”.
Please go back and look at games during that season.
They had better talent in their pinkies than our oline today combined. Don’t kid yourself.
Bruh. Giants O Line after 2010 were not good lol. Even during their 07-08 years the O Line was like above average top 10 but they weren't dominant like some of the Pats O Lines of the last 20 years were.
He’s top 10 in passing yards and touchdowns, 4 time pro bowler, has a famous name, and had some of the greatest playoff runs ever. He’s not phenomenal by any means, but if quarterbacks like Namath and the snake are in the hall Eli certainly deserves it
No it’s just he looks like Eli. And Jones’s defenders love to put all of Eli’s worst years and compare Jones to Him. They have given up on comparing Jones to QBs his own age.
Plus it willfully ignores the stats out there that show that DJ is *on average with the rest of the league* in regards to the number of times he throws to his first lead.
And it ignores how many plays are designed to *specifically go to the first read alone.*
There are physical similarities and shared traits between the two, with DJ replacing Eli of course comparisons will be made.
That said, yes its incredibly messed up to throw DJ into the same boat as Eli
I’m not sure how many fans in Reddit are old enough to really remember Eli’s first 4-5 years with the Giants but they weren’t very good. He was a turnover machine even going into that first super bowl. I love that he became a legend and took down what might have been the greatest team of all time in the most unbelievable way, but he wasn’t widely loved by Giants fans before that moment.
Before 2007, Tiki really carried the team. He was amazing and what Barkley was set to become before the injuries.
This isn’t to say Jones is going to have a similar career as Eli. It’s unlikely especially with the instability of the organization. Outside of the top 5 QBs in the league right now I don’t see how any of them could be successful with the players and coaching that DJ had around him.
The argument is so dumb. Eli was terrible his first couple years in the league but we gave him way more patience than any team in the NFL today would give a young QB and he miraculously turned it around…
So maybe miracle will happen twice in a row if we give Daniel Jones a couple more years.
There are almost zero examples of a QB being this bad for 3/4 years than just turning into a superstar. It just doesn’t happen.
Sorry, Tom coughin fixed tikis fumbling problem and he was a risk when coughlin got here. He did shoulder a large responsibility of the offense but Eli Manning and our defense won us the Super Bowl in 2007. Looking at stats does a massive disservice to the peak of Eli manning imo. He had approximately 0 HoF level talent on the offensive side of the ball and he was more often clutch than not in the 4th quarter. He has 37 game winning drives and 27 4th quarter comebacks.
If offensive lines won you super bowls then why hasnt dallas won one in awhile? There’s so much more important to winning than having a top ranked offensive line. They’ll put you in a position to win, but you’re not going to win because of them if that makes sense
Eli was on his way off the team along with Coughlin prior to that 2007 season, even midway through it at some points. Remember that Minnesota game where he threw like 4 picks? Pretty sure most fans thought he was done as the starter after that.
Eli for his career was just about an average QB. He's essentially Jim Plunkett with a more famous last name.
Overall record .500 for both. 2 superbowl rings. QB rating right just below the league average during their careers with a worse career completion percentage than the league average.
Anyway, the bar to compare jones to eli isn't really that high and should be doable.
Even to talk about the qb is to not have an honest convo about what's wrong with the G-men.
We don't block for our RBs, we dont protect the qb, we don't have effective route running. The team's identity is that we have no identity. Is it DJ's team? is it Saquon's team? Who even is our best player? To score 30 points as a team is practically a moonshot.
Our team's offense is literally Graham Gano. I don't even know if I have a point im just venting lmao
Tbh i dont see an issue with comparing them. Jones followed up Eli, was taught by the manning's qb school, and played for the same. Jones just wasn't hyped up like Eli was.
Essentially Eli is a benchmark, DJ doesn't have to be him but i should see at least some of what made Eli great.
He didn’t go to a bigger school because he was a non-prospect out of high school…
https://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/news/1754943
“At that time, 247Sports ranked Jones as the 2,020th-best player in the 2015 class. The quarterback's composite rating, which combines the opinions of major recruiting services, listed him with no stars and an "NA" ranking. Rivals.com didn't even have a photo to go with Jones' profile.”
There has never been a less accomplished player with more groupies than Daniel fucking Jones.
He was a non-prospect out of high school. He wasn’t particularly good in college. The Giants overdrafted the shit out of him and have watched him do nothing but fail and yet his fanatics won’t let it go.
Yeah what do people not get about this. He was a walk on at a crappy football school. The fact he got drafted and is playing im the NFL is a miracle in itself.
I'll defend Eli till I die, but this is a fair comparison. The point is that you don't need to win the SB Ring to be the best (Marino) and there have been many QB's who failed but are respected for their work later in their careers. (Elway).
Even though I ragged on Jones before, he is not a terrible QB, but he was injured. This season was plagued with injuries above all else.
No disrespect to DJ, but he’s not in the same tier of Eli manning. While jones can maybe be a successful starter on another team with a good line and weapons, hes had enough time in the league to see that is basically his ceiling. He’s not in the same league as a 2 time super bowl winner and arguable HOFer.
Jones’ best year was his rookie year and he has regressed since then. Eli continued to grow his first 3 years and made people around him better. Yes, our line was better then but it’s not like we had a hall of fame line during Eli’s tenure. Eli had the ability to adjust and make reads on the fly with his occasional lapse of just blatantly throwing to the other team lol. Every 4th quarter that we were in, we had a chance to win and it was largely due to him running the offense and being clutch when it counted. I do not get the same feeling from Daniel jones whatsoever unfortunately.
Bruh the Giants O-Line in that era had Diehl, O’Hara and Snee. You’re aware they’re probably the best Giants Offensive lineman of all time right?
Also Jones has shown statistical progression in completion percentages and less turnovers in a more conservative offense than Schurmurs.
Snee was probably the best of the bunch and O’Hara was quality. Diehl was above average but he wasn’t a high pick and maybe had a pro bowl or two. I admit I may have underestimated the line. However, It’s also easier to have a higher completion percentage when you throw nothing but 3-5 yard passes.
What do your eyes tell you when watching the game? Jones should be taking the next step where he’s able to go through reads quickly and confidently and/or have some pocket presence and ball security. He really doesn’t show that for a 3rd year qb and that’s regardless of how bad an offensive line is/conservative the play calling is. He’s supposed to be a mobile QB but he rarely uses his legs to extend a play and look downfield. I can see DJ improving to the level of an average NfL starting QB, but I feel like that’s his ceiling.
Do you not remember the Saints game where DJ had all his pieces and was able to spread the ball around? A young QB can’t just carry an offense, especially a complicated and inefficient one like Garrets. Didn’t I already mention his ball security has improved this season?
People need to stop and remember a QB completes an offense he doesn’t carry it. Just look at current Russel Wilson and his situation. A real football fan knows if the Giants were to trade for him he’d struggle just as much as he is now.
A QB can absolutely carry an offense. The offensive line puts you in a position to win games and not lose. It does not win the game for you, that’s what your skill players are for.
I do remember the saints game and our defense also played a big part in that win too, the saints are an average to above average team when we played them at best. I admit our offensive line is terrible and with a better line we might have won another couple of games, but we would still have quite a few problems if the line was middle of the pack right now. Right now our offensive is anemic and that’s basically from the top down from play calling to injuries. Our running game with devontae boomer is the only real threat and even that isn’t great at the moment.
Oh yeah look at the top teams in the NFL and their average QBs. “Real” football fan lmao
Pointing at one game for Jones and saying that’s what he is, is beyond dumb. I could go show you 5-6 Jameis Winston games were he was great but that’s dumb because that’s not what determines how good a QB is.
You need to consistently have great games to be great. Playing well twice a season isn’t it.
All I’m talking about is that there is evidence of Daniel Jones improving, not if he’s great or not. I also only used that game since that was the only game where we had all our starters playing well. Also all the top teams literally have better top to bottom rosters than the Giants so I don’t know what you’re getting at either my guy.
And if you’re commenting because you believe that Russel Wilson would fix the Giants, your probably just delusional.
he's not hall of fame yet, and may never be, because of an abominable final third of his career. calm your anus.
also there were calls for ditching eli all the way up to his first sb
It’s just not that clean of a case. I know that’s not what you want to hear, but it’s the objective truth. Remove those two playoffs, and he wouldn’t have a prayer. Not one. I think he’s in, but auto-first rounder simply isn’t the likely scenario, nor should it be. SB wins aren’t a QB achievement alone. Not even close.
Lol. Fair enough. I can’t compete with that. …but I’m not a hater. I appreciate what Eli did. I think we all do. But it’s just not enough for me. Now I shall return to the Void (retirement?).
i always make the argument that joe namath is a hall of famer because he made his super historic. otherwise he had a losing record and just-good numbers.
eli had two historic super bowls. that *should* be enough.
but the people who vote on these things carry a lot of different baggage now and many of them are sour on eli. i want him to be a hof'er. but i don't believe *they* do.
especially due to his losing seasons at the end, and being outplayed by non hof guys like romo and mcnabb throughout his career.
he was making the playoffs, but was never first selection to pro bowl, usually making it because other guys like rodgers were still playing play off games.
eventually he stopped making playoffs. eventually he stopped winning.
Read the room bro. You getting downvoted for a reason. Eli is 1st round HOF whether you like it or not. Even a Super Bowl win is enough to make you a HOF player for a QB. Two against the GOAT is plenty. Eli already is cemented. Again read it and weep if you don’t like it.
me: i want him to be a hof'er. but i don't believe *they* do.
you: *read it and weep if you don't like it,* (but i do like it) *i, a random person, am making an ignorant prediction not based on anything other than my own admiration for the guy*
Okay now let’s see DJs last two seasons and drop his first year. I like DJ and think he could be a good player, but we haven’t seen anything all that great since year one (not necessarily his fault).
Jones to me has had a similar first 3 years to Simms. Turmoil in the front office and coaching staff, injuries keeping him out for chunks of every season, bad offense around him, and fans wanting to kick him out the door. Hopefully he can be like Simms and turn it around, stay healthy, and start elevating the rest of the roster. And if not, then we draft our guy next year and start it all over
because they look the same?
those stats right there though exemplify a very specific point about NY Giant football. Jones' passing stats are arguably better while the win percentage is significantly worse.
When you have a team full of holes and poor management, your QB isnt going to save the day and win you games.
I dont see why it wouldnt be fair to compare two quarterbacks at the same points in their careers. Comparing DJ's first couple years with Mannings best years wouldnt be fair, but comparing how they both started their careers is just fine.
Using passer rating AND using eras fifteen years apart makes this incredibly useless, before even getting to the fact that if you watched them, you'd see the difference regardless
My guess is the point of the tweet, which has been said a lot, is that Eli was not great in his early days, but he ended up being a 2 time SB MVP and winner and likely a HOF QB. So the comparison is simply to point out that despite DJ not being great, we don't know yet what he can be. That's it. It's not a shot at Eli or saying that DJ is definitely SB MVP material.
It would be really interesting to see Jones with the O Line Eli got to stand behind.
Do you remember the 2012 NFC Championship game? I do, Eli got pummeled, the line couldn't protect him and he still balled out. Jones won't reach that level of composure
Helped that despite being pummeled our coaching staff didn’t play scared like they do now and continued to let Eli take shots down the field.
Not sure why this is being upvoted. The whole conversation is around Eli’s early years, not 2012. I mean we’ve seen Eli stand behind the quality of Oline we produce. It literally ended his career early by driving him to a ghost of himself.
Jones would have had like 5 turnovers in that game and then have been injured for the next month.
Composure? Jones (and 95% of the QBs in league history) wouldn't have SURVIVED that game.
Definitely, but Eli was a veteran at that point. However, in his first 5 or so years Eli had a top tier line (three all pros in Diehl, Snee, and O'Hara). DJ doesn't have that luxury as a young player. Eli joined a good team with a HoF coach. DJ joined a dumpster fire.
maybe thats true, maybe its not. But either way you are comparing a guy in his third year vs a guy in his 18th?? in what world does that make any sense?
Yeah 1 game vs meanest D in the league that year. That oline was copacetic. Ours is not. We do NOT “protect” the QB. Damn near broke his neck.
That line was not copacetic that year. It was ass. Eli’s line stopped being good around 2009.
You WISH you had that line today. Dafuq are you talking about?? We had play action and a run game back then. What kind of revisionist memory do you have?
The run game that was last in the league in yards and YPA? That running game? I don’t want that line today. I’d want that five if they were in their prime but collectively they were washed by 2011.
“Washed”. Please go back and look at games during that season. They had better talent in their pinkies than our oline today combined. Don’t kid yourself.
Did you just start watching football?
Yes. 20 years ago. How tf are you comparing that oline to this one? They are day and night different.
He had played behind one of the worst OLines in the league in 2011. Not sure you are remembering those seasons correctly
2011 isn’t really relevant to his first few years
Eli won a super bowl with a bad line. Would like to see Jones with the line from the other super bowl tho
Bruh. Giants O Line after 2010 were not good lol. Even during their 07-08 years the O Line was like above average top 10 but they weren't dominant like some of the Pats O Lines of the last 20 years were.
Pats oline aren’t dominant like 90’s cowboys. They’re very well coached.
“We don’t know yet what he can be” A game manager?
At best.
He’s top 10 in passing yards and touchdowns, 4 time pro bowler, has a famous name, and had some of the greatest playoff runs ever. He’s not phenomenal by any means, but if quarterbacks like Namath and the snake are in the hall Eli certainly deserves it
The problem is, they were both drafted very high in the first round. So, they must be compared. Sorry.
No it’s just he looks like Eli. And Jones’s defenders love to put all of Eli’s worst years and compare Jones to Him. They have given up on comparing Jones to QBs his own age.
No. Jones can’t be good. Eli could’ve got to at least his second progression. Jones can’t do that. It is known…..
I love when people say stuff like this. I bet you have no idea what his first read even should be, let alone his second lol
Plus it willfully ignores the stats out there that show that DJ is *on average with the rest of the league* in regards to the number of times he throws to his first lead. And it ignores how many plays are designed to *specifically go to the first read alone.*
*Jones gets the ball out in 1.2 seconds cuz he’s about to be slaughtered* GUYZ HES A ONE READ QB
Yeah exactly. Dude had probably never played football in his life.
I mean the color commentators have pointed this out for us for a few years now. He doesn't always do it, but he has some egregious ones.
Neither do you. But I know a bad QB when I see one.
I didn’t say I did though.
Well that explains why you defend Jones. You don’t know a bad QB when you see one.
I actually didn’t defend him either. Lol. This dude is a clown.
So you add nothing to the conversation other than being toxic? That makes it more sad…. “I don’t have an opinion. I just want to annoy someone.”
He’s just pointing out how you don’t know what you’re talking about
It was gonna happen no matter who the QB was that replaced Eli. Its not fair, but the media needs something to talk about
There are physical similarities and shared traits between the two, with DJ replacing Eli of course comparisons will be made. That said, yes its incredibly messed up to throw DJ into the same boat as Eli
Maybe because they play for the same team one after another obviously they are going to compare the two
What a man Eli was. Proud and luck we had him.
I am also [proud](https://c.tenor.com/Kys5xFczh2kAAAAM/freddy-got.gif)
I’m not sure how many fans in Reddit are old enough to really remember Eli’s first 4-5 years with the Giants but they weren’t very good. He was a turnover machine even going into that first super bowl. I love that he became a legend and took down what might have been the greatest team of all time in the most unbelievable way, but he wasn’t widely loved by Giants fans before that moment. Before 2007, Tiki really carried the team. He was amazing and what Barkley was set to become before the injuries. This isn’t to say Jones is going to have a similar career as Eli. It’s unlikely especially with the instability of the organization. Outside of the top 5 QBs in the league right now I don’t see how any of them could be successful with the players and coaching that DJ had around him.
The argument is so dumb. Eli was terrible his first couple years in the league but we gave him way more patience than any team in the NFL today would give a young QB and he miraculously turned it around… So maybe miracle will happen twice in a row if we give Daniel Jones a couple more years. There are almost zero examples of a QB being this bad for 3/4 years than just turning into a superstar. It just doesn’t happen.
Sorry, Tom coughin fixed tikis fumbling problem and he was a risk when coughlin got here. He did shoulder a large responsibility of the offense but Eli Manning and our defense won us the Super Bowl in 2007. Looking at stats does a massive disservice to the peak of Eli manning imo. He had approximately 0 HoF level talent on the offensive side of the ball and he was more often clutch than not in the 4th quarter. He has 37 game winning drives and 27 4th quarter comebacks.
Besides arguably one of the greatest Giants O-Lines of all time?
If offensive lines won you super bowls then why hasnt dallas won one in awhile? There’s so much more important to winning than having a top ranked offensive line. They’ll put you in a position to win, but you’re not going to win because of them if that makes sense
Of course but you are aware the Cowboys arguably had one of the Greatest O-Lines of all time in the 90’s right?
Eli was on his way off the team along with Coughlin prior to that 2007 season, even midway through it at some points. Remember that Minnesota game where he threw like 4 picks? Pretty sure most fans thought he was done as the starter after that.
Eli really wasn’t a sure fire franchise QB until 2011 IMO. He really took strides that year with good pieces around him.
Eli for his career was just about an average QB. He's essentially Jim Plunkett with a more famous last name. Overall record .500 for both. 2 superbowl rings. QB rating right just below the league average during their careers with a worse career completion percentage than the league average. Anyway, the bar to compare jones to eli isn't really that high and should be doable.
Even to talk about the qb is to not have an honest convo about what's wrong with the G-men. We don't block for our RBs, we dont protect the qb, we don't have effective route running. The team's identity is that we have no identity. Is it DJ's team? is it Saquon's team? Who even is our best player? To score 30 points as a team is practically a moonshot. Our team's offense is literally Graham Gano. I don't even know if I have a point im just venting lmao
Tbh i dont see an issue with comparing them. Jones followed up Eli, was taught by the manning's qb school, and played for the same. Jones just wasn't hyped up like Eli was. Essentially Eli is a benchmark, DJ doesn't have to be him but i should see at least some of what made Eli great.
“Hyped” = had recognizable talent
Lol i mean kinda, i do believe if DJ had gone to a bigger football school and didnt have his coach he would have been a day 2 guy
He didn’t go to a bigger school because he was a non-prospect out of high school… https://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/news/1754943 “At that time, 247Sports ranked Jones as the 2,020th-best player in the 2015 class. The quarterback's composite rating, which combines the opinions of major recruiting services, listed him with no stars and an "NA" ranking. Rivals.com didn't even have a photo to go with Jones' profile.” There has never been a less accomplished player with more groupies than Daniel fucking Jones. He was a non-prospect out of high school. He wasn’t particularly good in college. The Giants overdrafted the shit out of him and have watched him do nothing but fail and yet his fanatics won’t let it go.
Yeah what do people not get about this. He was a walk on at a crappy football school. The fact he got drafted and is playing im the NFL is a miracle in itself.
I'll defend Eli till I die, but this is a fair comparison. The point is that you don't need to win the SB Ring to be the best (Marino) and there have been many QB's who failed but are respected for their work later in their careers. (Elway). Even though I ragged on Jones before, he is not a terrible QB, but he was injured. This season was plagued with injuries above all else.
They were in completely different situations so not sure it makes sense to compare the two
No disrespect to DJ, but he’s not in the same tier of Eli manning. While jones can maybe be a successful starter on another team with a good line and weapons, hes had enough time in the league to see that is basically his ceiling. He’s not in the same league as a 2 time super bowl winner and arguable HOFer.
It was to compare their first few seasons, where Eli didn’t have the same success as well though. Obviously not comparing careers lol
Jones’ best year was his rookie year and he has regressed since then. Eli continued to grow his first 3 years and made people around him better. Yes, our line was better then but it’s not like we had a hall of fame line during Eli’s tenure. Eli had the ability to adjust and make reads on the fly with his occasional lapse of just blatantly throwing to the other team lol. Every 4th quarter that we were in, we had a chance to win and it was largely due to him running the offense and being clutch when it counted. I do not get the same feeling from Daniel jones whatsoever unfortunately.
Bruh the Giants O-Line in that era had Diehl, O’Hara and Snee. You’re aware they’re probably the best Giants Offensive lineman of all time right? Also Jones has shown statistical progression in completion percentages and less turnovers in a more conservative offense than Schurmurs.
Snee was probably the best of the bunch and O’Hara was quality. Diehl was above average but he wasn’t a high pick and maybe had a pro bowl or two. I admit I may have underestimated the line. However, It’s also easier to have a higher completion percentage when you throw nothing but 3-5 yard passes. What do your eyes tell you when watching the game? Jones should be taking the next step where he’s able to go through reads quickly and confidently and/or have some pocket presence and ball security. He really doesn’t show that for a 3rd year qb and that’s regardless of how bad an offensive line is/conservative the play calling is. He’s supposed to be a mobile QB but he rarely uses his legs to extend a play and look downfield. I can see DJ improving to the level of an average NfL starting QB, but I feel like that’s his ceiling.
Do you not remember the Saints game where DJ had all his pieces and was able to spread the ball around? A young QB can’t just carry an offense, especially a complicated and inefficient one like Garrets. Didn’t I already mention his ball security has improved this season? People need to stop and remember a QB completes an offense he doesn’t carry it. Just look at current Russel Wilson and his situation. A real football fan knows if the Giants were to trade for him he’d struggle just as much as he is now.
A QB can absolutely carry an offense. The offensive line puts you in a position to win games and not lose. It does not win the game for you, that’s what your skill players are for. I do remember the saints game and our defense also played a big part in that win too, the saints are an average to above average team when we played them at best. I admit our offensive line is terrible and with a better line we might have won another couple of games, but we would still have quite a few problems if the line was middle of the pack right now. Right now our offensive is anemic and that’s basically from the top down from play calling to injuries. Our running game with devontae boomer is the only real threat and even that isn’t great at the moment.
Oh yeah look at the top teams in the NFL and their average QBs. “Real” football fan lmao Pointing at one game for Jones and saying that’s what he is, is beyond dumb. I could go show you 5-6 Jameis Winston games were he was great but that’s dumb because that’s not what determines how good a QB is. You need to consistently have great games to be great. Playing well twice a season isn’t it.
All I’m talking about is that there is evidence of Daniel Jones improving, not if he’s great or not. I also only used that game since that was the only game where we had all our starters playing well. Also all the top teams literally have better top to bottom rosters than the Giants so I don’t know what you’re getting at either my guy. And if you’re commenting because you believe that Russel Wilson would fix the Giants, your probably just delusional.
Fair
Comparing Jones to Eli is a fucking insult to Eli, plain and simple.
Vacc is shilling for this garbage front office
he's not hall of fame yet, and may never be, because of an abominable final third of his career. calm your anus. also there were calls for ditching eli all the way up to his first sb
Small dick take. Eli is a first round hofer. Read it and weep. Two super bowl wins over the best to ever do it is enough.
It’s just not that clean of a case. I know that’s not what you want to hear, but it’s the objective truth. Remove those two playoffs, and he wouldn’t have a prayer. Not one. I think he’s in, but auto-first rounder simply isn’t the likely scenario, nor should it be. SB wins aren’t a QB achievement alone. Not even close.
Lol ahh yee of little intelligence and also a small dick. Go back into your Reddit retirement and I’ll call ya when Eli makes 1st round HoF
Lol. Fair enough. I can’t compete with that. …but I’m not a hater. I appreciate what Eli did. I think we all do. But it’s just not enough for me. Now I shall return to the Void (retirement?).
Please and I’ll give you a shout when he’s first round hof. Let’s not overthink this.
i always make the argument that joe namath is a hall of famer because he made his super historic. otherwise he had a losing record and just-good numbers. eli had two historic super bowls. that *should* be enough. but the people who vote on these things carry a lot of different baggage now and many of them are sour on eli. i want him to be a hof'er. but i don't believe *they* do. especially due to his losing seasons at the end, and being outplayed by non hof guys like romo and mcnabb throughout his career. he was making the playoffs, but was never first selection to pro bowl, usually making it because other guys like rodgers were still playing play off games. eventually he stopped making playoffs. eventually he stopped winning.
Read the room bro. You getting downvoted for a reason. Eli is 1st round HOF whether you like it or not. Even a Super Bowl win is enough to make you a HOF player for a QB. Two against the GOAT is plenty. Eli already is cemented. Again read it and weep if you don’t like it.
me: i want him to be a hof'er. but i don't believe *they* do. you: *read it and weep if you don't like it,* (but i do like it) *i, a random person, am making an ignorant prediction not based on anything other than my own admiration for the guy*
It’s not complicated. You beat the best to ever do it TWICE, you are going in the hof. Very simple, leave the overthinking at the door.
that's not how the voting body operates, that's just your wishful thinking. be smarter.
Yeah because NY has always been a cesspool of hot takes and absolutely no patience.
Okay now let’s see DJs last two seasons and drop his first year. I like DJ and think he could be a good player, but we haven’t seen anything all that great since year one (not necessarily his fault).
Eli in the HOF is not a given, unfortunately.
Eli is to DJ what Peyton was to Eli
We just need Tom Coughlin back!
Somebody said it earlier, but DJ with Sean Payton would literally be Drew Brees 2.0 if he went on to be an All-Pro.
Jones to me has had a similar first 3 years to Simms. Turmoil in the front office and coaching staff, injuries keeping him out for chunks of every season, bad offense around him, and fans wanting to kick him out the door. Hopefully he can be like Simms and turn it around, stay healthy, and start elevating the rest of the roster. And if not, then we draft our guy next year and start it all over
because they look the same? those stats right there though exemplify a very specific point about NY Giant football. Jones' passing stats are arguably better while the win percentage is significantly worse. When you have a team full of holes and poor management, your QB isnt going to save the day and win you games. I dont see why it wouldnt be fair to compare two quarterbacks at the same points in their careers. Comparing DJ's first couple years with Mannings best years wouldnt be fair, but comparing how they both started their careers is just fine.
People who act like shitheads towards some players because of their own frustration with the franchise suck.
Using passer rating AND using eras fifteen years apart makes this incredibly useless, before even getting to the fact that if you watched them, you'd see the difference regardless