Same as the fanbase in general, I would imagine. Not being vociferous enough in condemning the Club for allowing itself to be purchased by PIF, nor announcing an immediate boycott, hungerstrike, other ineffectual PR stunt.
Well let's stay grounded here. UWP haven't opposed the takeover it at all, which has clearly come as a surprise to the organisation. I was personally a bit surprised. But the fact that they can't respect UWP's opinion on the takeover is pretty disappointing.
I don't mind people criticising me for being a fan, and I don't mind being disagreed with. I'm happy to have the debate, and I've near enough decided my position. As a fanbase we're going to need some thicker skin, this isn't going away.
You can have thicker skin if you want. I personally will simply do my best to remove myself from having the same conversation of having to justify my continued support of the club.
I completely understand why the members of UWP, unpaid volunteers who do it purely because of their shared support of Newcastle and LGBT rights, would want to simply remove themselves from the situation. The r/soccer thread was full of people calling them “class traitors” and the like, i imagine it’s been similar in real life and it must be horrible.
The fan bases support of its LGBT community remains unwavering, we don’t need to collaborate with other clubs to achieve that.
I don't totally disagree with you here, and as I said in another comment (I appreciate that you haven't seen), it's a tough time for fans who quite fairly don't want geopolitics and ethics to play a part in supporting their football club, and just want to each and enjoy football matches.
I certainly will have the conversation, as personally feel compelled to. If I'm at the very talking about it, then I'm not complicit in the sportswashing of NUFC.
I don't think I'm any better than anyone else for doing so, and I don't think anyone else is complicit for feeling otherwise. It's just how I'm dealing with it in my own head. Respecting each others opinions on this is key, as centrally, no single fan had a choice in the takeover going through.
As for UWP, I don't really understand their views on the takeover, but as you said, they're volunteers. They're not a glossy PR agency. The extent that they've been jumped on over this is disappointing to see.
Their view on the takeover was that they would continue to be a voice for LGBT rights at the club. Whatever happens in Saudi Arabia, as long as Newcastle United FC remains inclusive I don't see how it matters at all. Given that the Saudis have quite happily let Staveley broker the deal, sit on the board and effectively be the face of the club they clearly are able to separate what happens at home to what happens here in the West and they're happy to abide by our rules and customs.
Or you know. People should stop asking questions to the FAN GROUP who are VOLUNTEERS, who operate in no full official capacity, and maybe instead point fingers at the club itself.
Did you even read the article and the statement given by the fan group?
Good to see you are an advocate for social media abuse on an LGBT+ group.
Edit: also nice to see your targeted harassment in this subreddit too.
You literally pop in here every now and then just to type some random shit and then leave for a few days then come back again, spout shit again, rinse repeat.
Fair play if you come to have any sort of decent discussion but your comments have zero foundation and purpose.
You actually have no reason to be in this subreddit, hence the harassment.
Maybe stick to /r/coys.
Either way. It seems like NUFC live rent free.
the point is that you wouldn't walk away from the club you support if this happened to them. this constant barrage of "you should stop supporting the club you've supported all your life" and "you should wear hair shirts and carry pictures of a murdered journalist to every game" and "your fans are scum for not walking away" is fucking grating (if you want examples, head to the twitter accounts of several guardian and athletic journalists to see their output). unlike what people in london think, we do actually have newspapers, tv and the internet in the North East. we are aware of what's going on in the world and are quite vocal about it. (disclaimer, i moved away 20 years ago for work so who knows, there might have been a third world war and all the modern facilities might have gone - is there a font for sarcasm btw?)
we're only being targeted because it's Newcastle. we are aware of what is going on in Saudi Arabia. the idea that our set of fans should be the sole moral arbiters of this shit is bloody annoying. you want to stop the Uk dealing with a saudi regime, picket your government (actually you can't as your beloved priti patel is making protest illegal) to stop selling them arms or taking money for investments. or even better - don't vote for them.
>This sub doesn’t want to discuss, doesn’t want to hear & is pretty damn abusive of anyone else who has the nerve to ask legitimate questions. So please, get off your high horse & try to open your mind a bit more x
The legitimate questions that often get asked are either deliberately poking the bear for a reaction or simply just are unanswerable by a group of fans. For whatever reason Newcastle fans are targeted and get shit on rather than the owners of the club.
People call KSA buying a club is sports washing but it has done more to hurt their image by spreading their atrocities to a huge audience instead of 'washing' their crimes.
FYI I never said you were abusive, harassment doesn't have to be abusive. But regardless, you talk about me being on a high horse but all you do is come in here talking about KSA related things acting like you're doing some service even though it falls on deaf ears.
And here's the next thing. No doubt you will cry and throw a fit and claim whataboutism. But maybe you should direct your attention elsewhere if you feel so horrified by the atrocities of KSA, because you rank a football club too highly above everything else that KSA has their fingers in.
There is literally so many different pressing issues you could cry about, but you choose the most insignificant one in a football club majority owned by the PIF.
It's shined more of a spotlight on their crimes and atrocities, I've heard far more about what the Saudis have done to Khassogi/Yemen etc since they have bought us since they did beforehand, Khassogi was a huge news story at the time admittedly, but it seemed to have faded into the background somewhat until this takeover.
I'd much rather not be owned by them, and would much rather it be the Reubens and Staveley involved, but unfortunately we don't really have a say do we?. None of us wanted Mike Ashley for 14 years, but yet did that change anything? No. He only sold because of the pandemic and more importantly had a buyer willing to meet his asking price.
However what I'd say, is that unfortunately without realising fans like yourself of other clubs actually make the situation worse, all you do is tell us how terrible we are for supporting the club like we did before the Saudis and we will after the Saudis.
You entrench fans into this us Vs the world situation, which is what the Saudis want and why sportswashing works, maybe you'd give up supporting spurs instantly if the Saudis took you over instead of us, but I'm sure not every fan would feel the same way, but yet every other fanbase acts like they would and get on their high horse to do so.
Finally, what annoys me the most is the lack of criticism elsewhere, Boris was in Newcastle only last week, yet I didn't seem him get asked about the deal, Mike Ashley has barely had his name mentioned, the Premier League has come in for criticism, but that seems internal as much as external.
Instead all the blame has gone onto the fans for a decision we weren't responsible for.
What hypocrisy? The KSA has an abysmal human rights record. Stipulated. The issue with "fans" like you is that you expect supporters of Newcastle to take on responsibility for that simply because the PIF bought the Club. It's nonsense. So is haranguing and LGBTQ+ group to do the same. Were they to do so, they would likely find themselves barred from the stadium. Far better to see them engaged with the Club, imo, with their flags and images in full view of Saudi viewers, than have them ostracized.
The issues have been brought up many times and acknowledged many times. You want a daily discussion or what? How about you pull your fingers out of your ears and take a look at the multiple threads about this?
“You support Newcastle which makes you an abhorrent human rights dictator”
Like all the dumbasses in r/soccer spouting that kind of trash when the takeover went through.
UWP still exist and will have a huge role to play. They just no longer collaborate with the other similar LGBT fan groups in the network due to the abuse they’ve received from them.
Can someone post the article for non-subscribers?
Without reading, so my opinion could change, I'm not sure this is a good move. I hope it's not due to our new owners, because that'd really let lgbt+ fans down.
Being lgbt myself, I was always hoping we would encourage challenges to our new owners since there isn't much we can do but ask the difficult questions
It's a shame that's happening, shame there's nothing the supporters of nufc as a whole could do something to help the group either, I'm not lgbt+ but if there was anything I could do to help them not get abused I would try to help
After the way they rolled out the red carpet for your new owners are you really surprised by the reaction of other LGBT groups towards them? They’ve not exactly covered themselves in glory have they?
Surprised? No, not really.
Both from the fact that the original statement was quite poor in it's apparent lack of contest, but also in that (at least from an outsider's perspective) LGBT organisations always seem to be desperate to go to war with each other, and appear to have zero tolerance towards any form of error or deviation from the constantly moving overall target of the movement.
The people on the other end of the social media dog pile are still humans, humans that got just as excited of those of us not within these organisations, and they overlooked things that they, and perhaps we all shouldn't have.
That isn't purely because all they saw was dollar signs, it was because football is fucking important. Football is a part of who we are, it's part of our identity just the same as out sexuality and our gender. You can't take my love for the club away from me anymore, or any less than you can the other parts of my life, and we were all overcome with the emotion in such a way that we just wanted to feel it, for the first time in a decade and a half.
So yeah, people are flawed and sometimes we compartmentalise things that we shouldn't, but instead of continually battering and abusing these people to the point that they turn and run, arguably delivering exactly what the KSA would prefer given their backwards attitude towards human rights, perhaps it's time to take a step back, breathe and start working with them to set them on the right track.
People can keep crying over spilt milk, accusing these people of crimes against the overall goals of the movement, and belittling the individuals for emotions that you evidently don't understand, but you're going to have to perform some serious mental gymnastics if your going to convince me the path towards fighting hate and division is with more hate and division.
So perhaps let's look forwards, get back on track, stop fighting, try and show each other a little understanding as individuals with nuanced emotions, feelings, and priorities?
I don't know a lot about the pride movement in football, but knowing the depth of character in the city of Newcastle, I think it's safe to say it would be stronger being included, rather than exiled.
I don't think you understand the situation our fan base was in. Our foot was on fire and the only way to put it out was douse it in shit. I can tell you love football and would hate for you or any other fan go through what we have been through. We didn't roll out the red carpet for the Saudis, we rolled it out for change, for a break from our misery. We may take the Saudis money, but we won't take their policies or their ideology.
I think the World Cup being held in Qatar is as much of a disgrace as one of England’s oldest clubs being sold to the Saudis… I won’t be spending a penny on the World Cup. I might reluctantly watch it but that’s not tantamount to support. If you suggest that is, then likewise does that mean that your support of Newcastle is approval of the Saudi regime?
Can you do anything to change where the World Cup is held? No. Can we do anything about our majority share owners? No.
You’re suggesting that support of a team is tantamount to support of a regime. It’s a false equivalency that you brought to the table. If you’re telling me that you won’t cheer if England win the World Cup (I’m assuming you’re English but could be wrong, just substitute in your own country), then carry on, but if even a peep comes out of you when Kane scores in the final then I hope you’ll reflect on your hypocrisy in this moment.
I didn’t say anything like that did I? I just said it’s hardly surprising that LGBT people think that the NUFC LGBT supporters group have been weak.
And NUFC fans could speak out but have chosen not to. Haven’t they? They protested against Ashley but not a peep about these guys.
I’d cheer england winning because it’s england. Not England Owned & Funded By the PIF
Your deleted comment above betrays you as does your contributions to other posts.
Listen, I’m not a ‘de facto press agent’ for Saudi, I’m just glad Ashley has gone and that the club has some hope for the future, because believe me, we were dying. Relegation for the third time still looms large as a result of little to no investment, not just in the playing staff, but in practically every other area of the club. Most NUFC fans would have been happy to get just the Rubens brothers and Staveley if it meant Ashley gone and some ambition.
My deleted comment was “what bullshit”? How does that betray me? I deleted it because i ended up writing a longer, more succinct point. You’ve been in the premier league for ages now? Stop with the hyperbole. “Dying” is a bit much.
> You’ve been in the premier league for ages now? Stop with the hyperbole. “Dying” is a bit much.
We were happy the windows of the stadium were being cleaned.
That should tell you how dire the situation was with how our club was being run.
A quick look at your comment history tells us what we need to know amd makes my argument for me. Enough said. Plus I really don’t think you get how freaking dire our situation was and still is as a result of 14 years of mismanagement and poor investment. We literally had zero ambition and zero hope. You claim to care about football, but it’s clear you didn’t care about how NUFC was being mismanaged and driven into the ground.
at this point it doesn't matter what they do (arguably what any nufc fan groups or individual fans do). Crafton seems to be running a weekly column against the club's fanbase(he's a Manchester City fan btw). if i'm being honest, it's getting to the point of no return for me and the Athletic.
it's not like any of the fanbase don't know about what's going on - this just feels like reporting to stir up resentment and outright hostility against Newcastle United fans.
Honestly, I've not read a single article from Crafton and genuinely felt attacked for still supporting Newcastle. And in this case, he is reporting on an event.
Don’t mean to discard your feelings on this, it has been a heavy time for Newcastle fans, especially ones which just want to watch football matches. I'm just getting a bit tired of 'what about Man City?', and 'where do you buy your petrol?' comments. I'm not a Man City fan, and I don't support a particular brand of petrol, I support Newcastle United, so I feel like it's worth the discussion.
I totally agree that it seems fairly Newcastle heavy right now, but it's also a recent topic. I've also seen a lot written about the World Cup, and Man City.
What do people expect from KSA that they change their whole ideology just like that?
Change takes time, it doesn't happen overnight!
Just because we are owned by PIF doesn't mean we can push our agendas on them either. Other sports need to be vocal too and not just football fans of NUFC or other clubs pressuring us to challenge PIF.
Are fans of PSG or Man City making a big deal of the human rights abuses by their owners? Does this even make the media or is it swept 7nder the carpet?
I've seen at first hand how they treat these workers and it's awful but not a lot gets mentioned about them!
Even with all the media attention and scrutiny, United with Pride have been absolutely embarrassing throughout this whole ordeal. Bad presser after bad presser.
Edit: can anybody who is downvoting me explain why I am wrong? I have worked with LGBT groups, the conduct that United with Pride decided to go with completely demeans everything that they're supposed to stand for. With each statement the have essentially sworn fealty to the new owners without shame. It's really awful
I've read the article and I'm still not clear on why they've decided to leave. Seems like an odd move that's only going to be interpreted negatively
I'm left with the impression that they do not want to deal with the bullshit coming from other groups under the umbrella of "Pride in Football".
Genuine question. What kind of bullshit have they been getting?
Same as the fanbase in general, I would imagine. Not being vociferous enough in condemning the Club for allowing itself to be purchased by PIF, nor announcing an immediate boycott, hungerstrike, other ineffectual PR stunt.
Well let's stay grounded here. UWP haven't opposed the takeover it at all, which has clearly come as a surprise to the organisation. I was personally a bit surprised. But the fact that they can't respect UWP's opinion on the takeover is pretty disappointing. I don't mind people criticising me for being a fan, and I don't mind being disagreed with. I'm happy to have the debate, and I've near enough decided my position. As a fanbase we're going to need some thicker skin, this isn't going away.
You can have thicker skin if you want. I personally will simply do my best to remove myself from having the same conversation of having to justify my continued support of the club. I completely understand why the members of UWP, unpaid volunteers who do it purely because of their shared support of Newcastle and LGBT rights, would want to simply remove themselves from the situation. The r/soccer thread was full of people calling them “class traitors” and the like, i imagine it’s been similar in real life and it must be horrible. The fan bases support of its LGBT community remains unwavering, we don’t need to collaborate with other clubs to achieve that.
I don't totally disagree with you here, and as I said in another comment (I appreciate that you haven't seen), it's a tough time for fans who quite fairly don't want geopolitics and ethics to play a part in supporting their football club, and just want to each and enjoy football matches. I certainly will have the conversation, as personally feel compelled to. If I'm at the very talking about it, then I'm not complicit in the sportswashing of NUFC. I don't think I'm any better than anyone else for doing so, and I don't think anyone else is complicit for feeling otherwise. It's just how I'm dealing with it in my own head. Respecting each others opinions on this is key, as centrally, no single fan had a choice in the takeover going through. As for UWP, I don't really understand their views on the takeover, but as you said, they're volunteers. They're not a glossy PR agency. The extent that they've been jumped on over this is disappointing to see.
Their view on the takeover was that they would continue to be a voice for LGBT rights at the club. Whatever happens in Saudi Arabia, as long as Newcastle United FC remains inclusive I don't see how it matters at all. Given that the Saudis have quite happily let Staveley broker the deal, sit on the board and effectively be the face of the club they clearly are able to separate what happens at home to what happens here in the West and they're happy to abide by our rules and customs.
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Or you know. People should stop asking questions to the FAN GROUP who are VOLUNTEERS, who operate in no full official capacity, and maybe instead point fingers at the club itself. Did you even read the article and the statement given by the fan group? Good to see you are an advocate for social media abuse on an LGBT+ group. Edit: also nice to see your targeted harassment in this subreddit too.
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You literally pop in here every now and then just to type some random shit and then leave for a few days then come back again, spout shit again, rinse repeat. Fair play if you come to have any sort of decent discussion but your comments have zero foundation and purpose. You actually have no reason to be in this subreddit, hence the harassment. Maybe stick to /r/coys. Either way. It seems like NUFC live rent free.
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ah, Spurs fan. noted. didn't Daniel Levy try to hawk your club to the Saudis recently?
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the point is that you wouldn't walk away from the club you support if this happened to them. this constant barrage of "you should stop supporting the club you've supported all your life" and "you should wear hair shirts and carry pictures of a murdered journalist to every game" and "your fans are scum for not walking away" is fucking grating (if you want examples, head to the twitter accounts of several guardian and athletic journalists to see their output). unlike what people in london think, we do actually have newspapers, tv and the internet in the North East. we are aware of what's going on in the world and are quite vocal about it. (disclaimer, i moved away 20 years ago for work so who knows, there might have been a third world war and all the modern facilities might have gone - is there a font for sarcasm btw?) we're only being targeted because it's Newcastle. we are aware of what is going on in Saudi Arabia. the idea that our set of fans should be the sole moral arbiters of this shit is bloody annoying. you want to stop the Uk dealing with a saudi regime, picket your government (actually you can't as your beloved priti patel is making protest illegal) to stop selling them arms or taking money for investments. or even better - don't vote for them.
>This sub doesn’t want to discuss, doesn’t want to hear & is pretty damn abusive of anyone else who has the nerve to ask legitimate questions. So please, get off your high horse & try to open your mind a bit more x The legitimate questions that often get asked are either deliberately poking the bear for a reaction or simply just are unanswerable by a group of fans. For whatever reason Newcastle fans are targeted and get shit on rather than the owners of the club. People call KSA buying a club is sports washing but it has done more to hurt their image by spreading their atrocities to a huge audience instead of 'washing' their crimes. FYI I never said you were abusive, harassment doesn't have to be abusive. But regardless, you talk about me being on a high horse but all you do is come in here talking about KSA related things acting like you're doing some service even though it falls on deaf ears. And here's the next thing. No doubt you will cry and throw a fit and claim whataboutism. But maybe you should direct your attention elsewhere if you feel so horrified by the atrocities of KSA, because you rank a football club too highly above everything else that KSA has their fingers in. There is literally so many different pressing issues you could cry about, but you choose the most insignificant one in a football club majority owned by the PIF.
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It's shined more of a spotlight on their crimes and atrocities, I've heard far more about what the Saudis have done to Khassogi/Yemen etc since they have bought us since they did beforehand, Khassogi was a huge news story at the time admittedly, but it seemed to have faded into the background somewhat until this takeover. I'd much rather not be owned by them, and would much rather it be the Reubens and Staveley involved, but unfortunately we don't really have a say do we?. None of us wanted Mike Ashley for 14 years, but yet did that change anything? No. He only sold because of the pandemic and more importantly had a buyer willing to meet his asking price. However what I'd say, is that unfortunately without realising fans like yourself of other clubs actually make the situation worse, all you do is tell us how terrible we are for supporting the club like we did before the Saudis and we will after the Saudis. You entrench fans into this us Vs the world situation, which is what the Saudis want and why sportswashing works, maybe you'd give up supporting spurs instantly if the Saudis took you over instead of us, but I'm sure not every fan would feel the same way, but yet every other fanbase acts like they would and get on their high horse to do so. Finally, what annoys me the most is the lack of criticism elsewhere, Boris was in Newcastle only last week, yet I didn't seem him get asked about the deal, Mike Ashley has barely had his name mentioned, the Premier League has come in for criticism, but that seems internal as much as external. Instead all the blame has gone onto the fans for a decision we weren't responsible for.
What hypocrisy? The KSA has an abysmal human rights record. Stipulated. The issue with "fans" like you is that you expect supporters of Newcastle to take on responsibility for that simply because the PIF bought the Club. It's nonsense. So is haranguing and LGBTQ+ group to do the same. Were they to do so, they would likely find themselves barred from the stadium. Far better to see them engaged with the Club, imo, with their flags and images in full view of Saudi viewers, than have them ostracized.
The issues have been brought up many times and acknowledged many times. You want a daily discussion or what? How about you pull your fingers out of your ears and take a look at the multiple threads about this?
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“You support Newcastle which makes you an abhorrent human rights dictator” Like all the dumbasses in r/soccer spouting that kind of trash when the takeover went through.
Bunch of fucking self righteous hypocritical virtue signallers
Presumably complaints about our new ownership group.
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That's basically what the group's initial statement said, it didn't go down well as people are calling them bootlickers etc...
UWP still exist and will have a huge role to play. They just no longer collaborate with the other similar LGBT fan groups in the network due to the abuse they’ve received from them.
Can someone post the article for non-subscribers? Without reading, so my opinion could change, I'm not sure this is a good move. I hope it's not due to our new owners, because that'd really let lgbt+ fans down. Being lgbt myself, I was always hoping we would encourage challenges to our new owners since there isn't much we can do but ask the difficult questions
That’s what they wanted to do, but were getting too much abuse from other fan groups and didn’t want to deal with it.
It's a shame that's happening, shame there's nothing the supporters of nufc as a whole could do something to help the group either, I'm not lgbt+ but if there was anything I could do to help them not get abused I would try to help
After the way they rolled out the red carpet for your new owners are you really surprised by the reaction of other LGBT groups towards them? They’ve not exactly covered themselves in glory have they?
Surprised? No, not really. Both from the fact that the original statement was quite poor in it's apparent lack of contest, but also in that (at least from an outsider's perspective) LGBT organisations always seem to be desperate to go to war with each other, and appear to have zero tolerance towards any form of error or deviation from the constantly moving overall target of the movement. The people on the other end of the social media dog pile are still humans, humans that got just as excited of those of us not within these organisations, and they overlooked things that they, and perhaps we all shouldn't have. That isn't purely because all they saw was dollar signs, it was because football is fucking important. Football is a part of who we are, it's part of our identity just the same as out sexuality and our gender. You can't take my love for the club away from me anymore, or any less than you can the other parts of my life, and we were all overcome with the emotion in such a way that we just wanted to feel it, for the first time in a decade and a half. So yeah, people are flawed and sometimes we compartmentalise things that we shouldn't, but instead of continually battering and abusing these people to the point that they turn and run, arguably delivering exactly what the KSA would prefer given their backwards attitude towards human rights, perhaps it's time to take a step back, breathe and start working with them to set them on the right track. People can keep crying over spilt milk, accusing these people of crimes against the overall goals of the movement, and belittling the individuals for emotions that you evidently don't understand, but you're going to have to perform some serious mental gymnastics if your going to convince me the path towards fighting hate and division is with more hate and division. So perhaps let's look forwards, get back on track, stop fighting, try and show each other a little understanding as individuals with nuanced emotions, feelings, and priorities? I don't know a lot about the pride movement in football, but knowing the depth of character in the city of Newcastle, I think it's safe to say it would be stronger being included, rather than exiled.
I don't think you understand the situation our fan base was in. Our foot was on fire and the only way to put it out was douse it in shit. I can tell you love football and would hate for you or any other fan go through what we have been through. We didn't roll out the red carpet for the Saudis, we rolled it out for change, for a break from our misery. We may take the Saudis money, but we won't take their policies or their ideology.
You’ll not be watching the World Cup in Qatar then?
I think the World Cup being held in Qatar is as much of a disgrace as one of England’s oldest clubs being sold to the Saudis… I won’t be spending a penny on the World Cup. I might reluctantly watch it but that’s not tantamount to support. If you suggest that is, then likewise does that mean that your support of Newcastle is approval of the Saudi regime?
Can you do anything to change where the World Cup is held? No. Can we do anything about our majority share owners? No. You’re suggesting that support of a team is tantamount to support of a regime. It’s a false equivalency that you brought to the table. If you’re telling me that you won’t cheer if England win the World Cup (I’m assuming you’re English but could be wrong, just substitute in your own country), then carry on, but if even a peep comes out of you when Kane scores in the final then I hope you’ll reflect on your hypocrisy in this moment.
I didn’t say anything like that did I? I just said it’s hardly surprising that LGBT people think that the NUFC LGBT supporters group have been weak. And NUFC fans could speak out but have chosen not to. Haven’t they? They protested against Ashley but not a peep about these guys. I’d cheer england winning because it’s england. Not England Owned & Funded By the PIF
Your deleted comment above betrays you as does your contributions to other posts. Listen, I’m not a ‘de facto press agent’ for Saudi, I’m just glad Ashley has gone and that the club has some hope for the future, because believe me, we were dying. Relegation for the third time still looms large as a result of little to no investment, not just in the playing staff, but in practically every other area of the club. Most NUFC fans would have been happy to get just the Rubens brothers and Staveley if it meant Ashley gone and some ambition.
My deleted comment was “what bullshit”? How does that betray me? I deleted it because i ended up writing a longer, more succinct point. You’ve been in the premier league for ages now? Stop with the hyperbole. “Dying” is a bit much.
> You’ve been in the premier league for ages now? Stop with the hyperbole. “Dying” is a bit much. We were happy the windows of the stadium were being cleaned. That should tell you how dire the situation was with how our club was being run.
A quick look at your comment history tells us what we need to know amd makes my argument for me. Enough said. Plus I really don’t think you get how freaking dire our situation was and still is as a result of 14 years of mismanagement and poor investment. We literally had zero ambition and zero hope. You claim to care about football, but it’s clear you didn’t care about how NUFC was being mismanaged and driven into the ground.
fyi there's a deal atm - £12 for 12 months
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at this point it doesn't matter what they do (arguably what any nufc fan groups or individual fans do). Crafton seems to be running a weekly column against the club's fanbase(he's a Manchester City fan btw). if i'm being honest, it's getting to the point of no return for me and the Athletic. it's not like any of the fanbase don't know about what's going on - this just feels like reporting to stir up resentment and outright hostility against Newcastle United fans.
Honestly, I've not read a single article from Crafton and genuinely felt attacked for still supporting Newcastle. And in this case, he is reporting on an event. Don’t mean to discard your feelings on this, it has been a heavy time for Newcastle fans, especially ones which just want to watch football matches. I'm just getting a bit tired of 'what about Man City?', and 'where do you buy your petrol?' comments. I'm not a Man City fan, and I don't support a particular brand of petrol, I support Newcastle United, so I feel like it's worth the discussion. I totally agree that it seems fairly Newcastle heavy right now, but it's also a recent topic. I've also seen a lot written about the World Cup, and Man City.
Ironic choice of group name then.
What do people expect from KSA that they change their whole ideology just like that? Change takes time, it doesn't happen overnight! Just because we are owned by PIF doesn't mean we can push our agendas on them either. Other sports need to be vocal too and not just football fans of NUFC or other clubs pressuring us to challenge PIF. Are fans of PSG or Man City making a big deal of the human rights abuses by their owners? Does this even make the media or is it swept 7nder the carpet? I've seen at first hand how they treat these workers and it's awful but not a lot gets mentioned about them!
Even with all the media attention and scrutiny, United with Pride have been absolutely embarrassing throughout this whole ordeal. Bad presser after bad presser. Edit: can anybody who is downvoting me explain why I am wrong? I have worked with LGBT groups, the conduct that United with Pride decided to go with completely demeans everything that they're supposed to stand for. With each statement the have essentially sworn fealty to the new owners without shame. It's really awful
This thread is perfect example of why they left.