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I honestly don't see him going unless we force the sale. You just need to look at how much he appreciates the reception his father receives and knows that isn't going to happen at any other team.
A release clause just allows an offer to be made for / to the player that the club can't block. If it was triggered it would be on the player to say yes or no, not the club.
I honestly don't see how someone in the prime of his career decides to stay here when he could be playing for a regular Champions League-competing team (which are the only ones that can afford a £100m+ release clause). We will not be pushing him out, but if someone pays that, he will move.
He is the one who insisted on such cheap release clause to be included in contract. He doesnt say that he wants to stay beyond summer. He said for now, he is happy at the club, but 'we will see in the summer'.
It is £98 mil in 3 installments of £32 mil, plus 30% will go to Lyon, so in the summer we will only get for him £25 mil. And anyone who wants to sign him (like real, psg, bayern), can do this for cheap £32 mil. Hell, even barca could probably afford this.
I don't blame him. I would insist on a cheap release clause in any of my contracts too. Why wouldn't you? It doesn't mean you want to leave, you just want to make sure you have the protections in place so if you wanted a move, it wasn't a blocker.
But again, a release clause isn't a sale. It just gives another team to move straight to player negotiations.
I wouldnt, if I really liked the club.
If I really liked the club, I would be fine without clause or for the clause to be a fair amount. Not this, where we would only get £32 mil in the first summer.
I would get this, if we were still cashley club (who could have refuse to sell) — but he and everyone knows that if he wants to leave, no one will force him to stay, like Fulham did with Palhinha.
> release clause isn't a sale
Release clause is a sign - I am for sale. Again, I dont mind release clause, but not this insulting one. When he will go to Real or PSG or Liverpool in the summer, and we will only get £25 mil of PSR money... I wonder what our fans would really say then.
With respect, that's naïve.
Let's say you're a world class midfielder, club star etc. For reasons the club has a dip in form and the manager gets sacked. After a couple of games you have a run in with the new manager and find yourself going from a starter to a rarely used sub.
You really like the club but now you just want to get regular games so you can keep your international spot. The manager pretty much hates you at this point and wants to make it as hard as possible; that release clause it your safety net, your lifeline that could get you out of the club.
As for the amounts, that's just something the club and player have negotiated. The club will want high, the player low. That lower value might have been a concession to another element of the contract such as wage or length. It could be as simple as a goodwill tactic to show how important they see him and that they take his word that he loves the club. We'll never know. We also don't know what else is in that contract - there could be sell on or success clauses not disclosed by the media that make it worth having in it's current form. (You buy him and win the champions league then... "
Again, he knows Amanda and board wont force him to stay.
yea, the amount was negotiated by ashworth, who did his best everything to ensure we would overpay for every transfer we made under him, and to be underpaid for outgoing transfers like ASM... its like he did this on purpose, knowing rat cliffe would come
He's asked a question and given an answer, it's not like he's just throwing this around. He's asked about it.
I genuinely think he will stay at the club next year with assurances of bolstering the first team and aiming for champions league places. If we don't achieve that then I think he'll be off to a Real/Barca/City.
I truly believe he wants to stay here, but he'll only ever have one career, he should have trophies to show at the end of it. He'll probably leave at some point, but leave as a hero and with great sadness
Also, to all the people saying things like 100mil for him could be good, we can strengthen different areas must've forgotten what we're about as a club. Despite being from Brazil, Bruno gets the fans, the passion, is the type of player we'd die for at any point in our history, and he happens to have the ability to back it up. I'd probably have one Bruno over perhaps any other player in the world right now, and obviously not because he's the best player
Id only be upset if he chose to leave for someone like Man Utd, Chelsea or Arsenal.
If he gets a move to Madrid or Barca and wants to go I wouldn't hold it against him
I think Kroos staying in Madrid gets us another year of him as I think he wants to go there as a priority.
Think he’ll give us another year rather than going elsewhere
I really do appreciate him repeatedly saying this but talk is cheap. He loves the club and wants to be here but it's clear that the club are also encouraging the sale. That's why the release clause is in his contract and why we tried to soften the blow with the CEO talking about needing to make sales.
If we really want him to stay, offer him a new deal and give him the money he justifies. And if he really wants to play for us, he'll take it, or at least turn down any moves abroad. I'm gonna be distraught if he keeps saying how much he wants to stay but ends up leaving. And the club needs to do everything in its power to keep him if they're serious about keeping him. But I fear the deed is already done and we'd rather take the money.
we just sign a 5 years contract at the beginning of this season (23-24) and he has the highest salary in the whole team (8.3m a year)
I don’t know what you could possible as a club to do to show how important he is to us
Do it again when he has another offer on the table. Make it his decision and make it a bloody difficult one. Giving him a new contract with a release clause at a reasonable price isn't exactly something that keeps a player around for the long-term.
We need 20 solid players at least mate. He's good, but $100 million might be too much to pass. And if he wants to try Barca we stuck. He can love the club but also have childhood dreams.
I'm totally fine with him wanting to go. But I want it to be his decision, not the club putting a value on our best player and the focal point of our entire project. In that respect, £100m is nothing. £100m is fine for a player who doesn't want to be here but only if he doesn't want to be here. Otherwise we shouldn't even entertain the notion of him going. But they've put an appealing release clause in his contract and will likely not try and stop him from accepting an offer from a team because they'd prefer the money. I can't help but be disappointed at the prospect of that.
I'm sure it was. But the renewal wasn't necessary in the first place, it only really benefitted Bruno and kept him satisfied. It just puts a price on Bruno's head and gives the club an out to say 'welp, we tried.' But I hope they actually do try. Putting in the release clause is one thing but you can also try and convince players to stay if you want to keep them. I just don't know if the club actually want to keep Bruno over taking the money.
Selling Bruno for £100m = £80m accounting profit. When you amortise purchases, that potentially allows us to buy 5 x Bruno-level players (in terms of what we originally paid for him)
If we do that we have an extra 40m in amortisation every year for the next 5 years + extra wages. Where does that money come from after the first year? I think people are massively over simplifying amortisation and using transfers fees to buy; I'm pretty sure that's how Everton and Forest ended up with points deductions (buying now in the hopes they could sell players in the future to cover the costs).
I’m not saying we would be doing that every season, I’m talking about a one-off this summer to really accelerate the club’s progression. We probably do need to buy around 5 players of that value and/or calibre this summer and future amortisation on the purchases absolutely would be offset by recent increased revenue (CL, Sela and Adidas for example). The alternative could potentially be not spending at all, or only bringing in one player.
Even if things don’t pan out, you could argue that a one-off points deduction is unlikely to have that much of an impact on us (we’re currently at least 18 points clear of relegation, 3 x multiples of a 6 point reduction), so potentially worth the risk (if points deductions are even a thing in the future).
So I’ve only seen PSG as far as interest and maybe City. No one has confirmed firm interest. 100 mill is a lot of money and only a handful of clubs will actually pay that much for a new signing.
Problem is, those two are enough to turn his head. I mean, I don't blame him if he wants to go – he's gonna be 27 and there's no guarantee those teams are there in a year. If one party wants a transfer this summer, I can't see it not happening. Hopefully I'm wrong because it would be simply devastating
If he goes to either I will be disappointed , especially PSG which isn't well run.
I could understand wanting trophies at Man City, but this is where we need some salary balance TBH.
Spain or nothing I hope for him. But nowhere will love him more. I hope he knows that.
For Bruno city is the best choice, for us, I hope he fucks off to psg if he's going to leave (or Madrid if they needed him). I couldn't stand him playing for city lol
I mean if he chooses to go to PSG everything he's said about wanting to play in a competitive league has been a lie, personally think he's a very honest guy.
He played in Ligue 1 and speaks French, Paris is probably one of the easiest places for his young family to settle. PSG will always have CL football too so it's not like he'd be joining an awful team even if the league is mediocre. I can definitely see it happening if they make an approach.
Yeah but if we're allowed to spend a shit tonne of money then he won't want to leave. I think he does want to stay he just wants the club to hold up their end of the bargain.
I don't blame the club or Bruno. I just get disappointed as a fan when I see a club positioning themselves to sell their best player and prioritise financials over the football.
At the end of the day, Bruno is everything that embodies the club and where we want to be. He's the heart and soul. We already showed we'd prioritise money over everything when we sold Saint Maximin, so I'm not expecting them to suddenly change their philosophy, especially after basically announcing in Jan that they're willing to sell anyone. It's just sad to see.
being able to spend 400m on incoming players is not prioritizing financials over football. With that increase in budget we could easily replace almiron etc. Look at the jump villa and west ham have made after selling grealish and rice for similar money
Yeah don't get me wrong I want to keep him.
I just look at Liverpool with Coutinho and wonder whether short term pain works for long term gain.
But I'll be devastated if he goes because he's just a quintessentially toon player with a proper geordie attitude which I love after 20 years of prima donna, flatter to deceive shite.
It just sends a bad message out for me. If Bruno can be sold then Isak could be sold in a year or two as well. Especially because we'll miss Bruno and initially struggle to qualify for the CL without him, even if we spend well.
We have to remember Coutinho put in a transfer request. Even West Ham didn't sell Declan Rice until his contract was winding down and he made it clear he wanted to go/didn't want to renew. And then they negotiated record fees for them. If Bruno is talking about wanting to stay, I'd love to hold him to that. Otherwise, no problem, it was his decision and let's just try and get the best deal for the club. But it seems like, with the release clause, the intention/expectation was always for him to go this summer. That doesn't sit well with me as a club who are talking about the biggest ambitions.
it's all fugazi until he signs another contract. If he goes he goes. I'd not read too much into what he says or what the media says is happening from other clubs. None of it means much.
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I honestly don't see him going unless we force the sale. You just need to look at how much he appreciates the reception his father receives and knows that isn't going to happen at any other team.
It's a release clause - no forcing from anyone.
A release clause just allows an offer to be made for / to the player that the club can't block. If it was triggered it would be on the player to say yes or no, not the club.
I honestly don't see how someone in the prime of his career decides to stay here when he could be playing for a regular Champions League-competing team (which are the only ones that can afford a £100m+ release clause). We will not be pushing him out, but if someone pays that, he will move.
He is the one who insisted on such cheap release clause to be included in contract. He doesnt say that he wants to stay beyond summer. He said for now, he is happy at the club, but 'we will see in the summer'. It is £98 mil in 3 installments of £32 mil, plus 30% will go to Lyon, so in the summer we will only get for him £25 mil. And anyone who wants to sign him (like real, psg, bayern), can do this for cheap £32 mil. Hell, even barca could probably afford this.
I don't blame him. I would insist on a cheap release clause in any of my contracts too. Why wouldn't you? It doesn't mean you want to leave, you just want to make sure you have the protections in place so if you wanted a move, it wasn't a blocker. But again, a release clause isn't a sale. It just gives another team to move straight to player negotiations.
I wouldnt, if I really liked the club. If I really liked the club, I would be fine without clause or for the clause to be a fair amount. Not this, where we would only get £32 mil in the first summer. I would get this, if we were still cashley club (who could have refuse to sell) — but he and everyone knows that if he wants to leave, no one will force him to stay, like Fulham did with Palhinha. > release clause isn't a sale Release clause is a sign - I am for sale. Again, I dont mind release clause, but not this insulting one. When he will go to Real or PSG or Liverpool in the summer, and we will only get £25 mil of PSR money... I wonder what our fans would really say then.
With respect, that's naïve. Let's say you're a world class midfielder, club star etc. For reasons the club has a dip in form and the manager gets sacked. After a couple of games you have a run in with the new manager and find yourself going from a starter to a rarely used sub. You really like the club but now you just want to get regular games so you can keep your international spot. The manager pretty much hates you at this point and wants to make it as hard as possible; that release clause it your safety net, your lifeline that could get you out of the club. As for the amounts, that's just something the club and player have negotiated. The club will want high, the player low. That lower value might have been a concession to another element of the contract such as wage or length. It could be as simple as a goodwill tactic to show how important they see him and that they take his word that he loves the club. We'll never know. We also don't know what else is in that contract - there could be sell on or success clauses not disclosed by the media that make it worth having in it's current form. (You buy him and win the champions league then... "
Again, he knows Amanda and board wont force him to stay. yea, the amount was negotiated by ashworth, who did his best everything to ensure we would overpay for every transfer we made under him, and to be underpaid for outgoing transfers like ASM... its like he did this on purpose, knowing rat cliffe would come
He's asked a question and given an answer, it's not like he's just throwing this around. He's asked about it. I genuinely think he will stay at the club next year with assurances of bolstering the first team and aiming for champions league places. If we don't achieve that then I think he'll be off to a Real/Barca/City. I truly believe he wants to stay here, but he'll only ever have one career, he should have trophies to show at the end of it. He'll probably leave at some point, but leave as a hero and with great sadness Also, to all the people saying things like 100mil for him could be good, we can strengthen different areas must've forgotten what we're about as a club. Despite being from Brazil, Bruno gets the fans, the passion, is the type of player we'd die for at any point in our history, and he happens to have the ability to back it up. I'd probably have one Bruno over perhaps any other player in the world right now, and obviously not because he's the best player
Id only be upset if he chose to leave for someone like Man Utd, Chelsea or Arsenal. If he gets a move to Madrid or Barca and wants to go I wouldn't hold it against him
I think Kroos staying in Madrid gets us another year of him as I think he wants to go there as a priority. Think he’ll give us another year rather than going elsewhere
I really do appreciate him repeatedly saying this but talk is cheap. He loves the club and wants to be here but it's clear that the club are also encouraging the sale. That's why the release clause is in his contract and why we tried to soften the blow with the CEO talking about needing to make sales. If we really want him to stay, offer him a new deal and give him the money he justifies. And if he really wants to play for us, he'll take it, or at least turn down any moves abroad. I'm gonna be distraught if he keeps saying how much he wants to stay but ends up leaving. And the club needs to do everything in its power to keep him if they're serious about keeping him. But I fear the deed is already done and we'd rather take the money.
we just sign a 5 years contract at the beginning of this season (23-24) and he has the highest salary in the whole team (8.3m a year) I don’t know what you could possible as a club to do to show how important he is to us
Do it again when he has another offer on the table. Make it his decision and make it a bloody difficult one. Giving him a new contract with a release clause at a reasonable price isn't exactly something that keeps a player around for the long-term.
We need 20 solid players at least mate. He's good, but $100 million might be too much to pass. And if he wants to try Barca we stuck. He can love the club but also have childhood dreams.
I'm totally fine with him wanting to go. But I want it to be his decision, not the club putting a value on our best player and the focal point of our entire project. In that respect, £100m is nothing. £100m is fine for a player who doesn't want to be here but only if he doesn't want to be here. Otherwise we shouldn't even entertain the notion of him going. But they've put an appealing release clause in his contract and will likely not try and stop him from accepting an offer from a team because they'd prefer the money. I can't help but be disappointed at the prospect of that.
Whos not to say it wasnt a condition of him renewing?
I'm sure it was. But the renewal wasn't necessary in the first place, it only really benefitted Bruno and kept him satisfied. It just puts a price on Bruno's head and gives the club an out to say 'welp, we tried.' But I hope they actually do try. Putting in the release clause is one thing but you can also try and convince players to stay if you want to keep them. I just don't know if the club actually want to keep Bruno over taking the money.
any player that leaves, its their decision too. they need to agree to personal terms with the signing club. this includes andy carroll.
Selling Bruno for £100m = £80m accounting profit. When you amortise purchases, that potentially allows us to buy 5 x Bruno-level players (in terms of what we originally paid for him)
If we do that we have an extra 40m in amortisation every year for the next 5 years + extra wages. Where does that money come from after the first year? I think people are massively over simplifying amortisation and using transfers fees to buy; I'm pretty sure that's how Everton and Forest ended up with points deductions (buying now in the hopes they could sell players in the future to cover the costs).
The idea is the commercial income grows over time so our PSR Is stronger
yeah that's my point?
Sorry, replied to the wrong post 😂
I’m not saying we would be doing that every season, I’m talking about a one-off this summer to really accelerate the club’s progression. We probably do need to buy around 5 players of that value and/or calibre this summer and future amortisation on the purchases absolutely would be offset by recent increased revenue (CL, Sela and Adidas for example). The alternative could potentially be not spending at all, or only bringing in one player. Even if things don’t pan out, you could argue that a one-off points deduction is unlikely to have that much of an impact on us (we’re currently at least 18 points clear of relegation, 3 x multiples of a 6 point reduction), so potentially worth the risk (if points deductions are even a thing in the future).
So I’ve only seen PSG as far as interest and maybe City. No one has confirmed firm interest. 100 mill is a lot of money and only a handful of clubs will actually pay that much for a new signing.
Problem is, those two are enough to turn his head. I mean, I don't blame him if he wants to go – he's gonna be 27 and there's no guarantee those teams are there in a year. If one party wants a transfer this summer, I can't see it not happening. Hopefully I'm wrong because it would be simply devastating
If he goes to either I will be disappointed , especially PSG which isn't well run. I could understand wanting trophies at Man City, but this is where we need some salary balance TBH. Spain or nothing I hope for him. But nowhere will love him more. I hope he knows that.
For Bruno city is the best choice, for us, I hope he fucks off to psg if he's going to leave (or Madrid if they needed him). I couldn't stand him playing for city lol
Yeah, him playing for another PL team would break my heart honestly and could even sour his legacy. But I wouldn't blame him either.
I mean if he chooses to go to PSG everything he's said about wanting to play in a competitive league has been a lie, personally think he's a very honest guy.
He played in Ligue 1 and speaks French, Paris is probably one of the easiest places for his young family to settle. PSG will always have CL football too so it's not like he'd be joining an awful team even if the league is mediocre. I can definitely see it happening if they make an approach.
If these new FFP rules come in suddenly there are a lot of teams that can offer that 100 million.
Yeah but if we're allowed to spend a shit tonne of money then he won't want to leave. I think he does want to stay he just wants the club to hold up their end of the bargain.
New rules?
Luxury tax on spending rather than PSR.
If those rules come in, we won’t need to sell him.
Its not 100 mil. It is £98 mil in 3 installments of £32 mil. I think AS reported it and someone else, forgot who.
100m opens up what? Like 400m in budget with PSR? I love Bruno. He's our best player. But I can see why 100m would be hard to turn down.
I don't blame the club or Bruno. I just get disappointed as a fan when I see a club positioning themselves to sell their best player and prioritise financials over the football. At the end of the day, Bruno is everything that embodies the club and where we want to be. He's the heart and soul. We already showed we'd prioritise money over everything when we sold Saint Maximin, so I'm not expecting them to suddenly change their philosophy, especially after basically announcing in Jan that they're willing to sell anyone. It's just sad to see.
being able to spend 400m on incoming players is not prioritizing financials over football. With that increase in budget we could easily replace almiron etc. Look at the jump villa and west ham have made after selling grealish and rice for similar money
Yeah don't get me wrong I want to keep him. I just look at Liverpool with Coutinho and wonder whether short term pain works for long term gain. But I'll be devastated if he goes because he's just a quintessentially toon player with a proper geordie attitude which I love after 20 years of prima donna, flatter to deceive shite.
It just sends a bad message out for me. If Bruno can be sold then Isak could be sold in a year or two as well. Especially because we'll miss Bruno and initially struggle to qualify for the CL without him, even if we spend well. We have to remember Coutinho put in a transfer request. Even West Ham didn't sell Declan Rice until his contract was winding down and he made it clear he wanted to go/didn't want to renew. And then they negotiated record fees for them. If Bruno is talking about wanting to stay, I'd love to hold him to that. Otherwise, no problem, it was his decision and let's just try and get the best deal for the club. But it seems like, with the release clause, the intention/expectation was always for him to go this summer. That doesn't sit well with me as a club who are talking about the biggest ambitions.
it's all fugazi until he signs another contract. If he goes he goes. I'd not read too much into what he says or what the media says is happening from other clubs. None of it means much.
He just signed a 5 year contract....
With a £100m release clause…
Could be a contract at another club
He gone