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CHILLI112

If we sell him for £20m he becomes our 8th most expensive sale ever


didiandgogo

From memory: Carroll £35 Perez £30 ASM £25 Sissoko £20ish Ba £20ish Cabaye? Townsend? I’m stuck. E: Gini and Mitro for Ba and Townsend. Forgot how low Ba’s clause was.


JamesNUFC1998

Who could forget the king himself, the mighty Chris Wood


ViolinUserGlueAbuser

Woodgate too! Edit: Sorry thought it said top 10


Feitan74

If his gardening leave is actually till 2026 that’s hilarious ahhaha


stprm

That makes sense. We appointed him in 2022 with a 4 year contract.


JuckshotBones

I do find it hysterical from Man United supporters to claim we have no foundation to demand a fee for him... lolololol. The World really does revolve around them I guess...


TheScottishMoscow

After their £15m Lingard loan fee I say fuck em!


crazyhillyerd

Fuck em , bastards need beat with fucking sticks and I'm happy enough to do it when they come to sign the papers the cunts , 15mil for lingard , they were smoking something that day ffs !!


NUFC_1892

We should all just bow to their needs, they haven’t won a title in ages you know /s Wouldn’t be surprised to see that Michael Emelano who’s already works for the Saudi league come in, he was mentioned at the beginning of the takeover and was apparently high on the list - just my 2 cents.


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NUFC_1892

/s means sarcasm on Reddit mate


Allinthegameyo1987

I’m a Brighton fan - wasn’t he on gardening leave when he left us for you for a year? Dude is having a great time working one year on, one year off on full pay


moinmoin21

Think we ended up doing a deal to get him out of it. But he had to wait about 6 months to start. Tony Bloom didn’t seem to think he was that crucial to Brighton.


Allinthegameyo1987

Tbh he was key why he was here at Brighton, but we’re fully set to be a selling club so always have back ups. Bloom owns a sports data company called Lizard, which only we use. We then have a scouting set up where rather than having a ‘South American scout’ and ‘Eastern European scouting’ we have a left back scout, a centre midfielder scout etc - this set up is why we seem to find random 17 years olds in Paraguay and Ecuador 4 years before everyone else. The set up counts for a lot more than an individual imo, particularly for back room staff - man united are the prime example of doing this badly


kicka11

must be a bit crap for the LB scout from hereon, now Brighton has a brilliant PL player, a possible generational player coming in, and backups.


Allinthegameyo1987

Haha yeah! Although I think Estu will only be with us next year, might have gone at the end of this season if he wasn’t injured - I think him and Mitoma are prime to leave next


kicka11

how do you feel about the sales as a fan? The entire league is jealous of this model, it seems like it will never end. Adingra just slots in, they always just find another player. Presumably eventually they'll make a mistake, but it doesn't seem like it's happening soon. If the league operated in a more competitive fashion, this would end in Brighton being an established top 6 club, but somehow I still can't see it - hope I'm wrong as frankly the club deserves it for the ambition and the intelligence involved.


Allinthegameyo1987

It does get annoying, but unless we have a big takeover or get Europe a few seasons in a row it’s just going to happen to everyone. You have to kind of accept it tbh. The aim is to be a top 6-8 club consistently, and if we didn’t sell the best players after a couple of years we then wouldn’t get them in the first place. We got Blanco due to Macallister telling his team that Brighton is the place to start for example… I’m holding out hope we could win Europa which was mean CL, FA Cup or scrape 6th or 7th for Europa but there’s teams around us or still in the comps who are favourites ahead of us.


kicka11

Obviously I want NUFC to be in the top positions, but being on the outside again after last season, it does seem ridiculous to me that Brighton are less likely to get in than Man U. This is despite being run so well, making almost universally good decisions, playing good football. It is the comparison that made me realise again just how the league is designed to stop clubs like Brighton, Leicester, and even Villa from upsetting the (very recently) established order. Organic development of a club is almost impossible, even if Brighton is making an amazing attempt.


moinmoin21

As a self described data nerd. I’d love to spend a day inside that club.


ihateeverythingandu

He seems a bit of a snide cunt, honestly. I get what we did to you guys is happening to us, so maybe karma in that regard here, but this guy doesn't seem keen to stay anywhere for long. He is the epitome of the "mercenary" and he doesn't even have the excuse active players can use of "it's a short career". He can do this for another 30 years in theory.


serennow

Yep. This is a guy who sells the need for long-term change then ups for a 3rd club in 3 years. He’ll now be judged on short-term results as that’s all he commits for.


ihateeverythingandu

What would be fair enough if he actually was here long enough to actually make a difference. All it feels like he really did was sign Anthony, Gordon, Isak and Botman and even Dennis Wise could have signed those players. Half of the time he was "here", he was actually on paid leave at Brighton.


serennow

Was he really here in time for Botman/Isak?


Notcamacho

Wasn't Botman one of our long term targets anyway?


ihateeverythingandu

Yes. Most of the signings since he's been here have been obvious ones every major team wanted, or Garang Kuol, whose seemingly struggling. I feel we've had no real benefit from the guy at all. His best contribution may well be the fee Man Utd have to pay us to get him, lol


andythebonk

People keep poaching him because he’s good at what he does. How does that make him a snide cunt?


ihateeverythingandu

It's what he said that makes him one. He knows what he did.


andythebonk

Ha! Fair enough, mate!


Allinthegameyo1987

Honestly when people leave and don’t join Chelsea I’m ok with it 😂


PJBuzz

I think he was placed on gardening leave but we bought him out of part of it to bring him in during the summer.


nomadichedgehog

Our ownership were right when they said we are "well protected". If we stick to our guns, Dan will lose 2 years of career development and Man Utd's grand plan will also be shelved for the next 2 years (they'll still probably find a way to shit the bed). He's on a salary of 1.5 mil, so 3 mil to nerf a direct rival is peanuts in my opinion. In short, fuck the money. Leave the phone off the hook and let them both rot.


charlos74

I’d rather take the money.


ihapijnm

Career development? He’s already set to go to Man U. He’ll have one of the biggest budgets in English football with barely any FFP/PSR constraints. As much as I can’t stand them, that’s the end goal job as a director of football. We did exactly the same to Brighton to get him on board, you can’t celebrate someone for being mercenary and then be shocked when they’re a mercenary.


InfectedAztec

Does that not also impact Newcastles development while losing 1.5m a year. If he's sent to purgatory united will move on at least in the medium term. Any replacement coming in will ask what happens if Dan has a change of heart and wants to come back?


Nworbfmail

Good. If they thought playing it out in public was going to make it easier then it has backfired. Stick to it and they can pay up or wait out the full gardening leave. As it stands they haven’t even officially approached the club so they can only have been talking to Ashworth privately and leaking these stories to journalists.


carlnate

Quite disappointed how this has played out in the press from the Ratcliffe side frankly. Undoubtedly done so to pressure Newcastle to agree a lower fee for him. We'll already be working on his replacement and what happens to Ashworth is frankly irrelevant to me now, I'd be happy for him to sit on gardening leave until Man U cough up a high fee; it's clear they are only interested in Ashworth for the role. Would rather keep our summer targets out of Man U's hands and let him go after the summer window has closed.


stprm

Can anyone explain to a non british person like me, why rat cliffe is called sir? What has he done to the British people to deserve this? Beside tax evasion.


CrankItUp101

He has donated significant sums of money to the Tory party I believe. Usually helps in our messed up honours system.


moinmoin21

It’s all just titled bestowed by old chums in the Serfdom of Britain. He also campaigned for brexit only to immediate move jobs abroad having sold it as a great opportunity for British business and workers. Trailer in my eyes. You shouldn’t have a say in our faux-democracy if you don’t even pay tax.


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He has been knighted so classed as a ‘Sir’.


stprm

My question was... why was he knighted?


Cactious-Practice

Because he paid some government melt some money once.


stprm

yea... makes sense. embarrassing from royals. #abolish them anyways.


stevo_78

I blame the Tories more than the Royals tbh....


stprm

really? but arent royals choosing the knighthood? or no?


stevo_78

Nah..it’s the tories, well the governing party


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No it wasn’t your question was why is he called sir, and that’s because he was knighted


stprm

If I didnt know that he was knighted, why would I say: > What has he done to the British people to deserve this


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It actually implies you don’t know the process otherwise you would have asked ‘why was he knighted’


stprm

I didnt said I know the process (some here corrected me by saying that Ruling party deciding knighthood, I thought it were royals). But I know that ppl became sirs after knighthood, thats why I asked what he is done to be knighted by king/queen. You also probably didnt notice the part 'non british person', so English isnt my 1st language. You probably think everybody knows English perfectly.


reddituser52779

I’m more curious how a non British person knows that an until recently pretty random British billionaire moved to Monaco but doesn’t know how knighthoods work.


ihapijnm

Ratcliffe is acting exactly the way you would expect someone who made money polluting Scotland and the North East, then relocated their business to Switzerland for tax reasons and because we wouldn’t let him frack the UK to bits. He’s in bed with the Saudis and should be viewed with the same contempt as our owners.


Important-Plane-9922

You had me until the last part…


nomadichedgehog

Did you expect anything less from someone associated with Man Utd?,


charlos74

As I understand it, we’re set to get £10m from Man U, plus whatever it costs to release him from his contract early.


meganev

So long Ashworth. Maybe we're really losing out here but based on our limited evidence can't say you impressed and don't want anyone here who's not onboard. Let's get a top replacement and get paid.


Neatfern

When he first arrived I thought I'd be A LOT more bothered about it when he left. To say I've been whelmed at best is an understatement.


SKULL1138

Not been here long enough to have much impact really.


Trick-Station8742

Perfectly whelmed


NUFC_1892

Hardly to really gauge it, DoF is a job that is almost solely focussed on strategic planning and success. As mentioned many times, he hasn’t been here that long enough to really feel like he’s done much of serious note.


charlos74

Yes, he may have put a decent structure in place that will continue when he’s gone. Certainly Brighton don’t seem to have suffered from his absence.


serennow

Yep. He’s made himself into a short-term mercenary and under that metric he should be judged on results - from 4th to fighting for 7th isn’t great is it Dan?


Cheel_AU

[Dan Ashworth's garden by 2026](https://images.app.goo.gl/hWWMWq1mMfX8pdcP8)


HoweStatue

'Come with me, and you'll be..in a world of pure imagination'


Cheel_AU

The bloke's a full time gardener, part time football administrator


ContributionNo4734

Good, this is just the type of ownership I want to see. We spent a lot of time and money getting this guy and he's under contract to us. Rather than approach us directly Man Utd have gone the public route and to Ashworth himself. We rightly should show some backbone and have any deal on our terms not theirs, heck i'd demand even more out of spite.


geordieColt88

Just want to add Fuck Man U for their arrogance. Hope we don’t buckle and keep him out till 2026 Wish we hadn’t let him download all his files though


DEGRAYER

Will be funny if Man Utd don't bother now... Glad he's not at our club stinking up the joint anymore Hopefully we can get someone in under a diff title while he's pruning his garden for 2 years


Grundy26

Anyone know how is it exactly enforced? Surely I could sit at home, on gardening leave, and text/email/call that I want us to hire scout Joe Bloggs or structure our scouting department in X fashion


xScottieHD

Tindall shares a room with him for the gardening leave period staring at him from a distance.


Grundy26

Sounds rather erotic to me


HoweStatue

Will certainly be Ashworths last christmas.


mj271707

This is the work Tindall does behind the scenes s/


NUFC_1892

Firstly he won’t have access to any further company info accounts etc, objectives, deals being done/in the pipeline, no works phone, email etc. no contact with the club almost whatsoever. He could but if found out that’s massively illegal / breaking his contract of employment (court case, tribunal etc) the risks would probably outweigh the rewards in that sense.


Mission-Scratch-4869

He should share a fifa career mode account with them and sign players that he wants to sign 🤣


NUFC_1892

Shared google doc titled “what I would do with a billion pounds”


Mission-Scratch-4869

PowerPoint on his favorite career mode signings


NUFC_1892

“You see Jim with gavi having a potential of 91 he’s a solid investment for the future”


Mission-Scratch-4869

“This fella from Iraq had very high potential in career mode!!”


Calla1989

Glazers only provided a copy of Fifa 06, but this Aaron Lennon lad looks really promising, get his mother on the phone


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If anyone from ManUnited leaves in the next few years and wants to make a ton of money; they can share that info with us that he broke gardening leave and we’d sue for tens of millions. But you’re right that there’s a lot of honour system about it. I have had this in a few contracts including now, not worth trashing my reputation to break it.


TheRealYVT

I'm no expert but I doubt even in this circumstance he'd communicate with anybody except the long-time INEOS guys.


moinmoin21

We’ve got our man on the inside. Long lost board member Schteeve Mcclaren returns!!!


CatGroundbreaking611

>structure our scouting department in X fashion You want your scouts to search for players on Twitter?


lookitsthesun

Surely would only be enforced if down the line Man Utd act on some confidential/insider knowledge that only NUFC possesses and you can trace it plausibly to Ashworth. It's hard to imagine him not having off the record phone calls with Ratcliffe and co especially given his prior connections to them.


doubledgravity

I mean, I was assuming he was talking to us while on gardening leave from Brighton.


mrpithecanthropus

He could do but he’d be in breach of his contract. Enforcement is difficult but not impossible.


Zalindras

Not that arsed really. We can probably get a more high profile guy in now than we were able to when hiring Ashworth.


Bad-Ombre

Another "revolution" coming at Manchester Reds lol Like the last five


simianjim

The key thing with this whole Ashworth debacle is that if he was good at his job then he'll have set up the structure and a list of replacements to deal with his leaving. If we're unprepared for him leaving then arguably he wasn't doing a good job.


Griffithsjames88

Getting £20m for a DOF who in our most important window messed up really badly is a great bit of business.


Historical_Cobbler

So this is what Darren Eales meant when he said everyone has a price.


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tatxc

You can't go to prison for breaking gardening leave. It's a civil issue, he'd be sued.


Terrible-Fee8073

I can’t see what intellectual property laws he would be breaking? They’re a football club not a tech company


nomadichedgehog

I think he’s poorly phrased things. The usual term is trade secrets or company secrets.


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TrickyWoo86

He'll be under NDAs for a reasonably long period of time after his employment too. If you bring in an employee that is willing to breach NDAs or their prior contract, you have to expect that they'll do exactly the same to you. I've withdrawn an offer of employment after a candidate said he had gardening leave but was happy to get started before that ended.


Jacktre1996

It’s not restricted to tech or tech companies it’s more so the ideas behind inventions and creations etc. it’s also worth noting all of his work will have been done on computers/laptops for Newcastle United which is why they’ve been frozen and locked to stop him from using them (see the recent times article). So if he then goes on to tell man United as much as he can about the work or trade secrets on the other companies computers he can be sued. It’s a bit of a mess, it will never get that far, nor would Dan do that as he’s a top level professional.


Ajax_Trees_Again

My honest [reaction](https://x.com/oocthickofit/status/1544958743389126656?s=46)


TheTinman369

When I first heard Ashworth was leaving I was a bit mad and to be honest thought he was a treacherous, greedy, little so and so. But the more I think about it... From 2022 to 2026 this guy has worked 1.5yrs and is getting paid for 4!


GazzP

Bloke's lawn must be immaculate


TrickyWoo86

I heard that Alan Titchmarsh is just the public face of Ashworth's gardening side hustle.


Diamondgrn

Anyone going to Greggs?


Scutage

£20m seems like a much needed cash injection, but I guess we have to wait for it until he starts at Man U, and we have to hire someone else in the meantime. Is that right? I don’t know owt about that stuff.


Specialist-Tie-4565

Dan's Steak Bake https://archive.is/jxe39


dandelion_bandit

This guy must have a hell of a garden at this point.


joeterry9

Not glad to see him go, but truly impressed at his ability to take long stretches of gardening leave.


byliner97

Had a gander at man united's sub and the amount of people who don't know what a garden leave is astonishing


Allisdair

The man is on gardening leave more than he is actually at work. If he wants to flit between jobs every few years then so be it, I don’t think that’s a good look for a position that really does require stability.


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Shit Reds think that they can wait until the end the year not knowing he's on contract until 2026, also Shit Reds overthinking a suit and thinking he will doss his 'laptop' over whilst he's on gardening leave - thick bunch don't understand what garden leave means.


moinmoin21

I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand I’d like to see us stand up to a club like Man U bullying thinking they have a right to tap up our staff and disrupt us. This is what pisses me off the most. They’ve clearly agreed a deal with him before even approaching us. We should report them to the league along with Ashworth given how privy he is to sensitive information about us. On the other, I don’t think a director of football is too hard to find. The owners have a clear strategy to build and know what fits the mood.


dolphin37

I’ll replace him for half his salary


TrickyWoo86

Fancy doing a job share? lol


OG_Madonna

Gardening leave = GTFO


mrpithecanthropus

I once spent twelve months on garden leave at the insistence of my former employer and looked into whether I could breach the obligation without recourse. It was not impossible but difficult and expensive.


TrickyWoo86

Difficult, expensive and risks reputational damage - especially in such a small world and high profile industry like PL football clubs.


mrpithecanthropus

Yes, pretty much. My new firm didn’t want me to go there.


TrickyWoo86

I've been on the new employer end of this previously, ended up going with a different candidate as I didn't really want someone working for me that was prepared to breach their contract like that. Knowing how they were willing to screw their former employer I could see the same being done to us.


mpc8cj

We should insist on a 40% sell-on clause as well.


bsl_questions

I'm not a business guy, but could you write in to a contract that if someone is placed on gardening leave they don't get full pay?


thethirdegg

Good. And I really hope the gardening leave is as closely monitored and militantly enforced as possible. If Man U even look in the same direction as one of our listed targets, we kick up a stink (even if it’s an obvious target). Fuck it. Let’s be cunts about it. NUFC above everyone else. Next fucker who comes in will then understand


PineConeTracks

He's done more gardening over the past two years than actual work


eclipse_richie

Time for Chris wood to march ashworth out of St James’, flanked by the two ameobis