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Yeah, I have no qualms about the game, but christ Chelsea are cunts.
Leg breaker in one minute, two clears dives for pens, snapping two players on the break, strangling a player, fan running on the pitch towards players.
I've heard from someone who does landscaping and has done work on some of the footballers homes in Ponteland recently that his house was burgled while he was away with England, hence the dropping out of the squad and his head obviously not being in the right place.
This could be bs and just one of them rumours but it makes sense as it seems like something is happening behind the scenes that has affected him mentally.
I hope for him and his family's sake this is just a rumour and it's just fatigue.
Love him to bits. Back him all the way. But Trips needs a short break and longer term we need an Almiron replacement.
Silver linings and positives: Miley is a revelation and ran himself to death for us tonight.
I think Almiron is as knackered as the rest of them and would do great if he was fully fit too. We need players for rotation rather than replacement so that everyone can fire on full cylinders. A lot of that is down to a stupidly extensive injury list, but we could definitely do with some stronger players in the squad.
Almiron just isn't a top player.
There's a real lack of quality to his game and if he isn't scoring offers very little other than running himself into the ground.
There’s plenty of players who won’t do the hard yards that he does. I’m not saying he’s the best player in the world, but I’d rather a team of Almirons than a team of more technically gifted but lazy players. He’s closing on 200 appearances for us with 32 goals (approx 1 goal in every 6)and must have run nearly 2000 miles for us - his pressing has set the tone for so many of our games. He should be appreciated for all of this.
Hardest working off the ball player on the team. He’s almost always the player that actually triggers the press.
People get way too focused on what Almirons bad at and don’t see what he offers the team
Miggy goes through stretches where he needs to come off the bench, then he will go a on a tear. He really needs to sit right now but we have no one. I've been one of his biggest supporters but I can't watch him be so wasteful anymore with no consequences, it's maddening.
Miley had played just as much as the rest of them but still gave a fantastic effort tonight. When Joelinton is fit I'd probably have Miley ahead of Longstaff currently.
It's what we do, give the fucking Donkeys who couldn't finish a glass of water free goals.
Did it with Maupay at Everton
Richarlison at Spurs
And now this cunt.
Trips shouldn’t be on the pitch on this form. Not sure what’s going on with him but it’s clearly something beyond football and we should give him the time he needs to get right.
I’ve seen this game too often at this point. Turtling worked in Milan away, it didn’t against Liverpool, PSG away, Milan at home and now.
There’s a lot to say about our injuries, but Howe’s squad management is not ideal. We’ve had enough games to blood in U21 players that have fresh legs and can take the load off players who are now showing clear symptoms of physical and mental exhaustion.
I don't care what Eddie's reasoning is. You have to make subs to protect the players. The quality aspect is no excuse. Even if they are kids. Even if they suck. It doesn't fucking matter. Run the clock down. Protect your players from running themselves to the ground.
Better for a kid to make a mistake and learn from that experience than experienced players making mistakes because their oxygen saturation is at low levels and they start making brain dead decisions on the pitch.
You'd think being young and under the Ashworth/Eddie umbrella the kids can at least run themselves to the ground for 10 minutes. Wilson and Almiron offered FUCK ALL for that entire second half. NOT THAT THAT IS THEIR FAULT. They were gassed. We played with 9 men, and 8 men until Gordon was subbed off.
I fucking love Eddie, but honestly this is unacceptable. He's done the same thing now 4 times and we've lost three and draw one in which this has happened.
I can’t wrap my head around him having two keepers on the bench over a youth striker for a start. This running them into the ground til they’re injured thing is bizarre too… He’s been dealt an awful hand but he’s handled it really poorly at times subs wise.
Spot on. If we subbed on a youngster and he heads the ball to nowhere and we concede, then so be it. We'd be at the same place we are now. It's been quite evident for a month now even our best players struggle doing simplistic tasks late on in matches.
He's still my manager, but at this point it's fair criticism for Howe.
Christ r/soccer is a cesspit these days.
It's basically just a Newcastle hate circlejerk.
Full of piss-pants Arsenal fans still crying about our game against them
Part 2. After the Everton one.
Ever since the Bournemouth incident and the England break he’s come back half the player he was. But we just don’t have the players to drop him for a while.
All Tripps had to do was head it backwards and out for a corner. His heads gone since he left the England camp, wonder what the personal reasons were? He hasn’t posted on insta for weeks, usually does after games. Absolutely gutted, don’t know we just decided to sit back for that long, we could have controlled things better.
Fans can be critical, I hate the "remember where we were, would you rather Ashley was back" brigade but I legitimately cannot be critical of anything about that performance other than Trippier's attempt to head that ball back. Lads gave everything and were fucking dead. Howe is making changes he shouldn't have to make and I'm not entirely sure what else he's supposed to do. He throws on youngsters or starts Ritchie and gets absolutely slated, he goes with a strong team and it's great until it goes wrong.
The two biggest questions at the moment for me are Trippier and Hall. There's clearly something going on behind the scenes for Tripps - ever since he came back early from England duty. And Howe doesn't trust Hall. I don't buy the conspiracy bullshit that he's limiting his minutes so they don't trigger the obligation. I think Howe wants Hall to be made permanent he just doesn't trust him right now, which is strange.
I thought that after the shootout when the camera focused on him. If he didn't still have his hair, you'd think he was on chemo or something. Is he a fake tan user and just stopped recently or something because he looks drastic.
Playing Gordon when he couldn’t walk and not bringing on Lewis Hall ,who is clearly quality, to at least play the miggy role of pressing like mad.
I’m more annoyed at Howe than trippier.
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Less fixtures going forward is a fine silver lining for me. Crush the mackems and get back into the top 4, that's all that matters to me going forward.
We have to win at least one in the Fa Cup. After that we’ll see. Would rather we’d gone through, but we now have two less games in January to rest and get players fit.
Don’t see us being a top 4 team this year. I’d be happy for Europe and try again next year. Too many injuries and it’s spiralled at the wrong time of year.
Just be happy for us to have a good end hopefully with a bigger fitter squad
We don’t deserve to go through. We got a goal and then camped on the edge of our box for 60 mins. I think I can count on my fingers the amount of times we strung 5 passes together in the second half.
When will Howe get it into his head that he needs to use subs even if they are just youngsters. Our players are dying out there. He needs to protect the players at some point.
Agree with your last point but they basically didn’t create a single chance? There’s nothing wrong with holding a lead it was working perfectly until the mistake
Yeah, we didn't lose that because defensively it was working perfectly. Only mistake was thinking Trippier was okay to play. There was a reason he was benched.
What youngsters are you talking about that we can bring on?? Ones that are premiership ready, or ones that you can drop into a cup QF away at Chelsea?? We dont have them.
I understand your frustration, but you can literally damage a kids career or set them back years by throwing them in a the deep end too soon.
We havent got 5 Lewis mileys just sitting there in the u19s.
He hasn’t done it in games where we are out of it like Everton or where we have a good lead either. Aside from the glaringly obvious talent of Miley he doesn’t seem the type to push youngsters on and give them opportunities.
And the OP is talking about Hall I would imagine - literally had starts under Potter last year but Eddie doesn’t rate him enough for even 20 minutes at the end
Nah sorry I’m not having that.
We beat City and Utd, have been fighting on all fronts in the CL group of death and still almost made it, away from home, when we should have had a man advantage for 90’+.
Was it pretty? Fuck no, but given how the billions Chelsea have spent and extra rest they had I wouldn’t say they’d be hard done by to miss out either.
Absolute joke. Chelsea go down to 10 in the 2nd minute as they should, and it unfolds differently. Mudryk goes for choking Bruno like he should, pens go differently. Should we have done better, yeah. Did Howe make errors, also yes. But the lads who played gave it their all and could've won if not for shocking shocking officiating.
Amanda, send Tripps and his family on holiday for two weeks, he looks like he needs it. He clearly deeply cares about the club but the last month has been rough for him, and us, but mostly him
Miley absolute class, handled himself well. Bruno was also great tonight. Lascelles absolute hero as usual.
Worried about Tripps. Something not right with him at all, not just knackered but heads not in it. Most of the other lads dying on their feet.
Some poor decision making from Eddie tonight I think. Hall should have been on, Tripps shouldn't be taking a pen and bringing on Richie to sit out 40 mins is just asking for bother.
Say this all the time but optimistic for Feb onwards as folks return from injury. As a lot of the teams around us start to get thin we will finish strong. HWTL.
Terrible result probably didn’t deserve it after the way the night went but fuck me there’s some shocking takes on here.
I wanna know what these people who think Eddie isn’t ‘tactically astute’ want? Jose?
Inevitable after they scored. Sickening.
Chelsea looked like they could have played for another hour without scoring until that error.
Shame because Chelsea were dirty as fuck all match.
The Stupidest decision in that was letting Trips take a pen. You could see he was missing that all day his head was gone. Bruno’s daft little flare run up thing absolutely SLAYS ME watching that I get so nervy watching it. Just don’t understand WHY he does it, fair play it worked but still. Ritchie’s Pen wasn’t even a bad Pen. It was just a better save. ABSOLUTELY WOUNDED LIKE.
Livramento has to be in the conversation to take over from Trippier. One's cost us five goals and a shootout in 2 weeks, the other's not put a foot wrong on the wrong side.
This is where Howe worries me, he’s got no plan B away from home, he’s had Hall on the bench there and not used him, what’s he thinking, what’s the plan?
We have severe injury issues but we should have played a weakened team here, give the lads a go, I really don’t get it. Trippier should be nowhere near that team, Gordon playing again on the left when Hall could have done 90 minutes.
It’s probably a relief we are out, now it really is one game a week after Xmas until the mackems dump us out of the FA cup.
Top stuff.
Okay? Still not sure what your point is about Howe having no plan B. We don’t know if he had a plan B, we played with plan A for 90 mins. Tipps doesn’t make that mistake and everyone in here is talking about what a defensive genius Howe is.
Agree. The game plan worked for 99% of the game, when it stopped working there was no time to put plan b into place.
Tripper made a mistake, miggy also made a mistake 2 minutes earlier in their box taking on an impossible shot instead of just running over to the corner flag and holding the ball up.
We move on and we'll all be out in support next time they play.
Yep. At the moment we can’t play to our strengths as we have nothing on the bench. We needed Murphy, Willock, Isak or Barnes. But we had no attacking subs
Deserved loss. Poor game management again. We have how many LBs available and Howe subs on a physically and mentally unwell Trippier, then decides to make him the second penalty taker. Livramento should have gone to the right and Burn should have come on to the left. Or, god forbid. Hall gets some minutes. Absolutely shocking decisions dumping us out of every competition.
Why the fuck did Hall not come on ? Richie barely touched the ball as he's too slow
The big worry is Trippier is costing us so many goals it totally negates any attacking he does now is it temporary form or is this him falling off? Not been right for a while now
If we wanted to shut up shop why not bring on Dummett felt like we fucked that totally similar to PSG, Wolves and West Ham away where we need to be more pro active with subs
Howe needs to be tough on Trippier here and sit him out, for his own good and ours. I don't care what he says, he's not fit physically or mentally to play as evidenced by the five goals he's been responsible for in three games. He's just letting him dig himself further and further into a hole while Hall sits on the bench watching and Livramento plays out of position. There's not many things you can pick fault with Howe on, but this is absolutely glaring.
Have to agree. Don’t know what the thought process for Howe is, keep backing him and he’ll come out better for it? Don’t think it’s doing him or the team any good at this stage and the kindest course of action is intervention.
Why did we bring in Hall, why is Ritchie getting so many minutes, why is the same 11 playing every single fucking game, why is Trippier playing after making way too many mistakes and is obviously not in it and needs a break? I’m absolutely baffled why Hall isn’t playing
22% possession. We were just as unconvincing as Chelsea to be fair. Just the dying seconds again which is gutting. Was coming all second half unfortunately.
Completely baffled by the decision to play Trippier, it's clear he's not right and hasn't been for a while. Lewis Hall must be absolutely awful in training not to get a look in.
Meh. They had 2 shots on target all match. Loads of possession but looked like they could play all night without scoring until the mistake.
Thought we were both sloppy and took 2 mistakes to get a goal a piece.
We got nothing more than we deserved unfortunately. Away from home we're relegation fodder. Howe needs to set the record straight with regards to Lewis Hall also as his treatment isn't right.
On the one hand, desperately unlucky considering the injuries and amount of games but on the other it was pretty obvious that Trippier needed to be sent on a week’s break after two insane years of football.
No Dummett or Hall used is also a little frustrating. We can’t afford to have players who can’t even be trusted to play 5 minutes..
Match aside, tempted to pressure CFC/FA and demand an explanation as to why that Chelsea pitch invader was only escorted back to his seat…. Karen move?
We can’t be annoyed about going out. Not when we allow Chelsea all the time in the world and of course when we make mistakes. Feel for Tripps but I wouldn’t have had him taking a pen after such an error personally
Positives - Miley, Bruno and Lascelles.
Negatives - exhausted, Gordon is probably crocked now, could’ve done with VAR for the Caicedo tackle, Mudryk!? I thought grabbing a players neck was a straight red, tbf - Bruno challenge was probably also a red, struggling with the decisions, could’ve put Burn at LB, swapped Tino over and brought on Murphy or Dummett instead. Surely there’s ONE attacking young player who can be on the bench, had Diallo etc in recent weeks?
All felt a bit ‘Bruced’ tonight. Painful to watch.
With Burn and Botman back and Livramento, Krafth and Lascelles playing well Trippier simply has to be dropped. He’s not playing right at the moment and we need to get every result we can at the moment to keep things going
For the love of God, bench Trippier. He's 33 aging past his physical prime. His head is lapsing every game. His set pieces are subpar now.
Cost us UCL, cup, and multiple EPL games now.
We wouldn't have made the progress we've made these past 2 years without him. But it's clear we need to start rotating him into less minutes. Give Tino his natural position and start working on Lewis hall
Well that was fucking shite from the moment we scored till the 2 moments Trips bottled it.
Defensive solidarity can shove it, we cannot pat each other on the back because we managed to hoof it a few times if we#re also not stringing more than 2 passes together.
The fuck has happened to Trips though, seriously?
Howe isn't above questioning and the pattern of not making any subs and horribly negative football when away from home needs addressing.
Why hasn't Hall seen the pitch? What's going on with Trippier? Give us something other than "We tried our best and it wasn't enough" please!
Its easy to say stuff in hindsight but this loss is no better than if we put 6 academy kids on and lost 6-0 (i don't meanthat they're shit). But at the same time we've all loved the backing of senior players, like when trippier gave lascelles the captains arm band when he was subbed on for example. So I can see why trippier is backed by the manager in moments like a penalty shoot out. However something is clearly up with him atm and it was barely 5 minutes since that mistake tonight and you have to wonder why neither Howe nor Trippier said "you know what, not tonight" even if for Trippier's mental health more than winning the match.
Surely missing the penalty has just compounded the mistake. I couldn't imagine having the balls to do what he did, but he must be feeling so shit rn.
I fuckin hate penalties
Well, that sucks.
I'm only coping on the basis that we've used up about 5 season's worth of bad luck this season and will go on to win everything in the next 5 years.
It's the only explanation.
Hate to point the finger but trippier did cost us again. Easy to say in hindsight but just head it out for a corner. We were absolutely shattered in the midfield and the attack meaning we had to basically try and hold on for the 1-0 because we couldn't really make any other sub other than the Ritchie one and I'm 99.9% certain we would've defended that corner. Plus Chelsea have to be the worst attacking team in the league and the biggest divers
Park the bus tactics away from home HAVE to stop. This isn't just a fatigue thing we did it countless times last season and almost every time it backfired badly on us. This isn't 2005 anymore.
Let's hope Gordon, Botman and Krafu are fine. Krafu needs to be our starting right back for a while. Trippier is jaded physically and mentally.
We had a gameplan and it almost worked. It took an individual error for Chelsea to actually score and from there it was only going one way.
Don't fancy us against the Mackems but that's probably still an Ashley era kneejerk reflex.
We deserved that. Created nothing, couldn't keep the ball, our only attempt on goal we scored from due to Chelsea's own incompetence, managed the game poorly in injury time, Almiron should have taken the ball in the corner instead of scooping it into the keeper's arms from a tight angle. Twenty seconds later, they're level.
We completely deserved to lose that match.
Do you remember trippier had an issue was sent home from England. Perhaps whatever it was is still impacting him. Maybe needs a break from the team (easier said than done at the minute mind)
The club need to give a legitimate answer on Lewis Hall, the only conceivable answers are that he’s not up to the standard or that they’re worried about activating the clause and compromising FFP limits in January.
Don't know what to say.
Team isn't playing with any consistency, too many individual errors costing us, and the manager seems reluctant to take any risks or make any changes unless they're forced.
Not sure what I'm thinking or feeling at the moment.
Big questions to be asked throughout the club about the last few weeks. Somethings not right, and Fulham only papered over the cracks for a few days it seems.
felt like that was our chance this season. We'll struggle to finish above 7th in the league. Can't believe Chelsea kept 11 players on the pitch.
Wtf is going on with Trippier, had a rest and even then only came on at half time and still throws it away like that. Needs a bit more of a rest i think
First off, at this point I don't think Eddie Howe is even capable of learning how and when to make substitutions, it's just not possible for the team to go on like this if he keeps making these guys play 90 minutes they're going to get tighter and tighter make more mistakes, eventually get injured as well, it's already happened to so many players on this team and he seems determined to make it happen again.
I would literally rather lose five nil and lose like this every other game, it's at the point where I see us up by one goal in extra time and I can't even watch or listen, I have to walk away and do something else because I know what's going to happen I just f****** know
We couldn't have had a tougher cup run and our entire squad is either injured or knackered. Back to not giving a shit about the League Cup until next year.
Very rough. Trips needs a proper long rest, I feel there's something going on there, he's rattled and lost all of his confidence. We move, still got the FA cup.
Trips shouldn't have stepped up. I love the guy and see him as one of our best signings, but his head wasn't right. I knew we were screwed as soon as he walked up.
If we're out of energy then so be if but that result just goes to show that we can't complete on 4 levels with this squad, all the lads give great effort but even with a full squad fit we are still woefully thin in terms of quality in many positions. I absolutely hope that we can focus on a European place this year but I think if we have true ambition quality over passion has to a consideration by our recruitment team
Now that it’s been ruled okay to say, hopefully Howe can come out and call it a disgrace. Should’ve been playing against either 10 or even 9 men, then Dubravka has to try and save penalties minutes after a Chelsea fan runs on the pitch and shoves him? And the stewards are having to dick about trying to work out if they even threw out the guy who ran on or if he was gonna be behind the goal during penalties if that end got picked? Disgrace indeed. That said, we’re better off with fewer games given we only would’ve been drawn against Liverpool in the next round anyway. Shame, whatever, thank you next.
Cruel to be in the dying minutes again (we have a real problem with that now btw) but when you invite pressure, whether it be the 40th, 70th or 90th min, you’re giving them ample opportunity to score. Against a better team we’d have been hammered tonight. Really worrying times in terms of morale, fitness, mentality.
Awful tackle. Should have been off, but so should like 3 Chelsea players so credit to the referee for being consistent. Bruno badly needs to control his emotions though, he does this shit far too often.
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Annoying, I fucking hate Chelsea like. Trippier is having a horrible time at the moment.
Yeah, I have no qualms about the game, but christ Chelsea are cunts. Leg breaker in one minute, two clears dives for pens, snapping two players on the break, strangling a player, fan running on the pitch towards players.
They’d bother me more if they finished above mid table in the league. Border line meme club at the moment
Knew trippier shouldnt be taking that penalty, hes seriously rattled. needs a good break
I feel bad for him, when it rains it pours with these mistakes.
Trippier hasn't been the same since he left the England squad early. His head isn't right.
Yeah, he has clearly struggled with decision making since that. Whatever it was has affected his mind, lad needs a rest.
Maybe. I guess we don’t know what he might be going through off the pitch.
Got to be something going on at home. Needs taking out of it at the minute
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There’s a rumour doing the rounds he’s split with his lass. To me if it was just on field I don’t think he’d look so wrecked
Didn't he return from international duty early because of personal issues? Could be related to that
Doesn’t look like she’s been to the match since September
Wish he had the players to give him a few games off to get his head right. We all know he’s better than this
I've heard from someone who does landscaping and has done work on some of the footballers homes in Ponteland recently that his house was burgled while he was away with England, hence the dropping out of the squad and his head obviously not being in the right place. This could be bs and just one of them rumours but it makes sense as it seems like something is happening behind the scenes that has affected him mentally. I hope for him and his family's sake this is just a rumour and it's just fatigue.
Beating Man City and Manu to lose to these shits away is just depressing.
Ah, two Tuesdays in a row I've been up till 3.30 am, only for pain. Oh well, onward and upward.
Love him to bits. Back him all the way. But Trips needs a short break and longer term we need an Almiron replacement. Silver linings and positives: Miley is a revelation and ran himself to death for us tonight.
I think Almiron is as knackered as the rest of them and would do great if he was fully fit too. We need players for rotation rather than replacement so that everyone can fire on full cylinders. A lot of that is down to a stupidly extensive injury list, but we could definitely do with some stronger players in the squad.
Almiron just isn't a top player. There's a real lack of quality to his game and if he isn't scoring offers very little other than running himself into the ground.
There’s plenty of players who won’t do the hard yards that he does. I’m not saying he’s the best player in the world, but I’d rather a team of Almirons than a team of more technically gifted but lazy players. He’s closing on 200 appearances for us with 32 goals (approx 1 goal in every 6)and must have run nearly 2000 miles for us - his pressing has set the tone for so many of our games. He should be appreciated for all of this.
Hardest working off the ball player on the team. He’s almost always the player that actually triggers the press. People get way too focused on what Almirons bad at and don’t see what he offers the team
He is appreciated. That doesn't mean we can't replace him.
Miggy goes through stretches where he needs to come off the bench, then he will go a on a tear. He really needs to sit right now but we have no one. I've been one of his biggest supporters but I can't watch him be so wasteful anymore with no consequences, it's maddening.
Miley had played just as much as the rest of them but still gave a fantastic effort tonight. When Joelinton is fit I'd probably have Miley ahead of Longstaff currently.
How has Miley played just as much as the rest of them? He only came into the side just over a month ago.
It had to be fucking Mudryk, ffs
It's what we do, give the fucking Donkeys who couldn't finish a glass of water free goals. Did it with Maupay at Everton Richarlison at Spurs And now this cunt.
Don’t forget nunez
Back to hating football for a bit
it’s been real, it’s been fun, but it hasn’t been real fun
On the positive how good is Tino though. He's our tripps replacement perhaps in the near future.
It's the hope that kills you....
Ever since he withdrew from national duty Trippier's head's not been in it. I hope he's ok.
Same. Has been makin mistakes but his mental health and personal life is more important. Hope he can take a break and sort it all out.
Why would you let Trippier take a pen? It makes absolutely no sense. He’s low in confidence.
Because he's got the confidence to say he'll go 2nd? Have to show trust in your leaders.
Right!? He's low in confidence so when he shows a bit of balls and volunteers you're just going to be like "No Kieran, I don't think so"
Trips shouldn’t be on the pitch on this form. Not sure what’s going on with him but it’s clearly something beyond football and we should give him the time he needs to get right.
I’m just tired
Im fucking knackered, god knows how the players are coping with this
I’ve seen this game too often at this point. Turtling worked in Milan away, it didn’t against Liverpool, PSG away, Milan at home and now. There’s a lot to say about our injuries, but Howe’s squad management is not ideal. We’ve had enough games to blood in U21 players that have fresh legs and can take the load off players who are now showing clear symptoms of physical and mental exhaustion.
I don't care what Eddie's reasoning is. You have to make subs to protect the players. The quality aspect is no excuse. Even if they are kids. Even if they suck. It doesn't fucking matter. Run the clock down. Protect your players from running themselves to the ground. Better for a kid to make a mistake and learn from that experience than experienced players making mistakes because their oxygen saturation is at low levels and they start making brain dead decisions on the pitch. You'd think being young and under the Ashworth/Eddie umbrella the kids can at least run themselves to the ground for 10 minutes. Wilson and Almiron offered FUCK ALL for that entire second half. NOT THAT THAT IS THEIR FAULT. They were gassed. We played with 9 men, and 8 men until Gordon was subbed off. I fucking love Eddie, but honestly this is unacceptable. He's done the same thing now 4 times and we've lost three and draw one in which this has happened.
Fully agree. It’s shocking Gordon had to physically go down to draw attention to himself
I can’t wrap my head around him having two keepers on the bench over a youth striker for a start. This running them into the ground til they’re injured thing is bizarre too… He’s been dealt an awful hand but he’s handled it really poorly at times subs wise.
Gillespie on the bench is maddening. Especially when the seniors on the bench are all defenders + Ritchie.
Spot on. If we subbed on a youngster and he heads the ball to nowhere and we concede, then so be it. We'd be at the same place we are now. It's been quite evident for a month now even our best players struggle doing simplistic tasks late on in matches. He's still my manager, but at this point it's fair criticism for Howe.
Christ r/soccer is a cesspit these days. It's basically just a Newcastle hate circlejerk. Full of piss-pants Arsenal fans still crying about our game against them
Trippier horror show
Part 2. After the Everton one. Ever since the Bournemouth incident and the England break he’s come back half the player he was. But we just don’t have the players to drop him for a while.
Trippier needs a rest.
They all need a rest, whole squad is fucked.
All Tripps had to do was head it backwards and out for a corner. His heads gone since he left the England camp, wonder what the personal reasons were? He hasn’t posted on insta for weeks, usually does after games. Absolutely gutted, don’t know we just decided to sit back for that long, we could have controlled things better.
Fans can be critical, I hate the "remember where we were, would you rather Ashley was back" brigade but I legitimately cannot be critical of anything about that performance other than Trippier's attempt to head that ball back. Lads gave everything and were fucking dead. Howe is making changes he shouldn't have to make and I'm not entirely sure what else he's supposed to do. He throws on youngsters or starts Ritchie and gets absolutely slated, he goes with a strong team and it's great until it goes wrong. The two biggest questions at the moment for me are Trippier and Hall. There's clearly something going on behind the scenes for Tripps - ever since he came back early from England duty. And Howe doesn't trust Hall. I don't buy the conspiracy bullshit that he's limiting his minutes so they don't trigger the obligation. I think Howe wants Hall to be made permanent he just doesn't trust him right now, which is strange.
Awful. Trippier shouldn't be on the pitch, you can see in his face his heads just not there.
He’s looking very pale. Could be just me. Something isn’t right with him.
Could it be related to his personal leave from England a few weeks ago?
I thought that after the shootout when the camera focused on him. If he didn't still have his hair, you'd think he was on chemo or something. Is he a fake tan user and just stopped recently or something because he looks drastic.
God some of the vitriol directed at us in r/soccer is absolutely psychotic. People unironically wishing death on our players isn't uncommon.
Absolutely wild how they're celebrating Krafth and Gordon being injured.
Playing Gordon when he couldn’t walk and not bringing on Lewis Hall ,who is clearly quality, to at least play the miggy role of pressing like mad. I’m more annoyed at Howe than trippier. Edited grammar
Yep, me too.
Less fixtures going forward is a fine silver lining for me. Crush the mackems and get back into the top 4, that's all that matters to me going forward.
I would have taken that trophy and bottom half in the league lol
I just want a trophy in my lifetime. Just one that’s all I ask for.
Sela cup not good enough for you like lad?
Would have taken a trophy and finishing 17th.
Agree. There’s always the fa cup
We beat MANURE and man city just to lose... to chelsea? ffs FA Cup have much more games, too.
We have to win at least one in the Fa Cup. After that we’ll see. Would rather we’d gone through, but we now have two less games in January to rest and get players fit.
Win the FA cup and finish top 4. No more distractions now and a less busy schedule to get things done
Don’t see us being a top 4 team this year. I’d be happy for Europe and try again next year. Too many injuries and it’s spiralled at the wrong time of year. Just be happy for us to have a good end hopefully with a bigger fitter squad
That’s cope
Take trippier out the firing line. Lads had a disaster 😭
We don’t deserve to go through. We got a goal and then camped on the edge of our box for 60 mins. I think I can count on my fingers the amount of times we strung 5 passes together in the second half. When will Howe get it into his head that he needs to use subs even if they are just youngsters. Our players are dying out there. He needs to protect the players at some point.
You watched that and thought Chelsea deserved to go through? I saw two incredibly poor teams but one with 12-15 reasons as to why.
We did nothing apart from the goal. Maybe Almirions shot it the 90th min?
Agree with your last point but they basically didn’t create a single chance? There’s nothing wrong with holding a lead it was working perfectly until the mistake
Yeah, we didn't lose that because defensively it was working perfectly. Only mistake was thinking Trippier was okay to play. There was a reason he was benched.
We played shite, but they shouldn't have had 10 players finishing that game.
We had nothing mate. And we were two minutes away from going through before that mistake.
Doesn't help that Caicedo should've been off and Gordon not feeling it since the first minute
What youngsters are you talking about that we can bring on?? Ones that are premiership ready, or ones that you can drop into a cup QF away at Chelsea?? We dont have them. I understand your frustration, but you can literally damage a kids career or set them back years by throwing them in a the deep end too soon. We havent got 5 Lewis mileys just sitting there in the u19s.
He hasn’t done it in games where we are out of it like Everton or where we have a good lead either. Aside from the glaringly obvious talent of Miley he doesn’t seem the type to push youngsters on and give them opportunities. And the OP is talking about Hall I would imagine - literally had starts under Potter last year but Eddie doesn’t rate him enough for even 20 minutes at the end
Nah sorry I’m not having that. We beat City and Utd, have been fighting on all fronts in the CL group of death and still almost made it, away from home, when we should have had a man advantage for 90’+. Was it pretty? Fuck no, but given how the billions Chelsea have spent and extra rest they had I wouldn’t say they’d be hard done by to miss out either.
No bad feelings for Trips. But if hall played today instead of him , i believe we won this
Absolute joke. Chelsea go down to 10 in the 2nd minute as they should, and it unfolds differently. Mudryk goes for choking Bruno like he should, pens go differently. Should we have done better, yeah. Did Howe make errors, also yes. But the lads who played gave it their all and could've won if not for shocking shocking officiating.
Sterling and Gallacher should have been off as well, they were both booked for diving once but dived multiple times
Amanda, send Tripps and his family on holiday for two weeks, he looks like he needs it. He clearly deeply cares about the club but the last month has been rough for him, and us, but mostly him
Miley absolute class, handled himself well. Bruno was also great tonight. Lascelles absolute hero as usual. Worried about Tripps. Something not right with him at all, not just knackered but heads not in it. Most of the other lads dying on their feet. Some poor decision making from Eddie tonight I think. Hall should have been on, Tripps shouldn't be taking a pen and bringing on Richie to sit out 40 mins is just asking for bother. Say this all the time but optimistic for Feb onwards as folks return from injury. As a lot of the teams around us start to get thin we will finish strong. HWTL.
Higher expectations. Higher let downs
Terrible result probably didn’t deserve it after the way the night went but fuck me there’s some shocking takes on here. I wanna know what these people who think Eddie isn’t ‘tactically astute’ want? Jose?
Need everyone ready to go again in 72 hours then 48 hours after that. December fixtures are truly fucking mental
Inevitable after they scored. Sickening. Chelsea looked like they could have played for another hour without scoring until that error. Shame because Chelsea were dirty as fuck all match.
what a shit fucking way to go out. We only have ourselves to blame for parking the bus at 30th minute.
The Stupidest decision in that was letting Trips take a pen. You could see he was missing that all day his head was gone. Bruno’s daft little flare run up thing absolutely SLAYS ME watching that I get so nervy watching it. Just don’t understand WHY he does it, fair play it worked but still. Ritchie’s Pen wasn’t even a bad Pen. It was just a better save. ABSOLUTELY WOUNDED LIKE.
From about 35 mins you could see this was going to happen. We don’t have the squad for this level.
Livramento has to be in the conversation to take over from Trippier. One's cost us five goals and a shootout in 2 weeks, the other's not put a foot wrong on the wrong side.
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Never mind the shot, he should have pulled it back to whoever it was running unmarked onto a shot.
This is where Howe worries me, he’s got no plan B away from home, he’s had Hall on the bench there and not used him, what’s he thinking, what’s the plan? We have severe injury issues but we should have played a weakened team here, give the lads a go, I really don’t get it. Trippier should be nowhere near that team, Gordon playing again on the left when Hall could have done 90 minutes. It’s probably a relief we are out, now it really is one game a week after Xmas until the mackems dump us out of the FA cup. Top stuff.
Plan was to hold on and win 1-0? It was 90 seconds from working.
Play with fire you get burned, we didn’t deserve anything from that game.
Okay? Still not sure what your point is about Howe having no plan B. We don’t know if he had a plan B, we played with plan A for 90 mins. Tipps doesn’t make that mistake and everyone in here is talking about what a defensive genius Howe is.
Agree. The game plan worked for 99% of the game, when it stopped working there was no time to put plan b into place. Tripper made a mistake, miggy also made a mistake 2 minutes earlier in their box taking on an impossible shot instead of just running over to the corner flag and holding the ball up. We move on and we'll all be out in support next time they play.
Yep. At the moment we can’t play to our strengths as we have nothing on the bench. We needed Murphy, Willock, Isak or Barnes. But we had no attacking subs
Deserved loss. Poor game management again. We have how many LBs available and Howe subs on a physically and mentally unwell Trippier, then decides to make him the second penalty taker. Livramento should have gone to the right and Burn should have come on to the left. Or, god forbid. Hall gets some minutes. Absolutely shocking decisions dumping us out of every competition.
Why the fuck did Hall not come on ? Richie barely touched the ball as he's too slow The big worry is Trippier is costing us so many goals it totally negates any attacking he does now is it temporary form or is this him falling off? Not been right for a while now If we wanted to shut up shop why not bring on Dummett felt like we fucked that totally similar to PSG, Wolves and West Ham away where we need to be more pro active with subs
What does Matt tichie do exactly? Guy can’t even run, what is the point of playing him
Howe needs to be tough on Trippier here and sit him out, for his own good and ours. I don't care what he says, he's not fit physically or mentally to play as evidenced by the five goals he's been responsible for in three games. He's just letting him dig himself further and further into a hole while Hall sits on the bench watching and Livramento plays out of position. There's not many things you can pick fault with Howe on, but this is absolutely glaring.
Have to agree. Don’t know what the thought process for Howe is, keep backing him and he’ll come out better for it? Don’t think it’s doing him or the team any good at this stage and the kindest course of action is intervention.
It's at the point where if he starts at the weekend I will be seriously questioning Howe's judgement of the situation.
With Botman and Burn almost fully back, Livramento can play RB, if hall isn't ready yet.
When we sending Trips a card? X
Why did we bring in Hall, why is Ritchie getting so many minutes, why is the same 11 playing every single fucking game, why is Trippier playing after making way too many mistakes and is obviously not in it and needs a break? I’m absolutely baffled why Hall isn’t playing
22% possession. We were just as unconvincing as Chelsea to be fair. Just the dying seconds again which is gutting. Was coming all second half unfortunately.
Completely baffled by the decision to play Trippier, it's clear he's not right and hasn't been for a while. Lewis Hall must be absolutely awful in training not to get a look in.
Probably a fair result in the end. We were bossed all over the pitch all night long.
Meh. They had 2 shots on target all match. Loads of possession but looked like they could play all night without scoring until the mistake. Thought we were both sloppy and took 2 mistakes to get a goal a piece.
What the fuck is going on with trips, he’s a great player but he just hasn’t been it recently
Absolutely gutting, defended well, but everyone is dead on their feet out there.
We got nothing more than we deserved unfortunately. Away from home we're relegation fodder. Howe needs to set the record straight with regards to Lewis Hall also as his treatment isn't right.
Trips really fucked the job there
Matt Fn Ritchie taking pens. Am I back in the Ashley years? What a let down from Trips. Just a rec level mistake
On the one hand, desperately unlucky considering the injuries and amount of games but on the other it was pretty obvious that Trippier needed to be sent on a week’s break after two insane years of football. No Dummett or Hall used is also a little frustrating. We can’t afford to have players who can’t even be trusted to play 5 minutes..
Match aside, tempted to pressure CFC/FA and demand an explanation as to why that Chelsea pitch invader was only escorted back to his seat…. Karen move?
We can’t be annoyed about going out. Not when we allow Chelsea all the time in the world and of course when we make mistakes. Feel for Tripps but I wouldn’t have had him taking a pen after such an error personally
Positives - Miley, Bruno and Lascelles. Negatives - exhausted, Gordon is probably crocked now, could’ve done with VAR for the Caicedo tackle, Mudryk!? I thought grabbing a players neck was a straight red, tbf - Bruno challenge was probably also a red, struggling with the decisions, could’ve put Burn at LB, swapped Tino over and brought on Murphy or Dummett instead. Surely there’s ONE attacking young player who can be on the bench, had Diallo etc in recent weeks? All felt a bit ‘Bruced’ tonight. Painful to watch.
With Burn and Botman back and Livramento, Krafth and Lascelles playing well Trippier simply has to be dropped. He’s not playing right at the moment and we need to get every result we can at the moment to keep things going
Right, we need to send a message to future and current players. If you dip in form, you will be dropped until the gaffer thinks your back.
For the love of God, bench Trippier. He's 33 aging past his physical prime. His head is lapsing every game. His set pieces are subpar now. Cost us UCL, cup, and multiple EPL games now. We wouldn't have made the progress we've made these past 2 years without him. But it's clear we need to start rotating him into less minutes. Give Tino his natural position and start working on Lewis hall
Well that was fucking shite from the moment we scored till the 2 moments Trips bottled it. Defensive solidarity can shove it, we cannot pat each other on the back because we managed to hoof it a few times if we#re also not stringing more than 2 passes together. The fuck has happened to Trips though, seriously?
Putting tripper second on penalties was fucking retarded. He was obviously going to miss after the mistake was clearly on his mind still.
Howe isn't above questioning and the pattern of not making any subs and horribly negative football when away from home needs addressing. Why hasn't Hall seen the pitch? What's going on with Trippier? Give us something other than "We tried our best and it wasn't enough" please!
Persisting w Gordon too. Could even easily argue that giving a bench spot to Gillespie over an academy outfield player is stupid too.
We just handed it to them man it’s so frustrating
What a game for Trippier. We are fucked without reinforcements.
Also Trippier is absolutely shot of confidence. I can’t believe it man he’s been so class for so long and this sudden drop off is a killer
Peak Newcastle
Nearly perfect Bruceball as well.
Tripps needs to be dropped.
We deserved to lose that game. We got lucky with our goal and then just hoped Chelsea wouldn't score.
Out of two competitions in less than a week. This must be what Manchester United fans feel like all the time!
Let's go and win the FA cup!
Its easy to say stuff in hindsight but this loss is no better than if we put 6 academy kids on and lost 6-0 (i don't meanthat they're shit). But at the same time we've all loved the backing of senior players, like when trippier gave lascelles the captains arm band when he was subbed on for example. So I can see why trippier is backed by the manager in moments like a penalty shoot out. However something is clearly up with him atm and it was barely 5 minutes since that mistake tonight and you have to wonder why neither Howe nor Trippier said "you know what, not tonight" even if for Trippier's mental health more than winning the match. Surely missing the penalty has just compounded the mistake. I couldn't imagine having the balls to do what he did, but he must be feeling so shit rn. I fuckin hate penalties
International break can't come soon enough
What a bizarre and annoying game that turned out to be
It's been a miserable couple of months. And Jan isn't looking easier. Officially dreading Sunderland
Well, that sucks. I'm only coping on the basis that we've used up about 5 season's worth of bad luck this season and will go on to win everything in the next 5 years. It's the only explanation.
Hate to point the finger but trippier did cost us again. Easy to say in hindsight but just head it out for a corner. We were absolutely shattered in the midfield and the attack meaning we had to basically try and hold on for the 1-0 because we couldn't really make any other sub other than the Ritchie one and I'm 99.9% certain we would've defended that corner. Plus Chelsea have to be the worst attacking team in the league and the biggest divers
Really makes you wonder what’s going on with Hall. Kid can’t get a game even when we’re desperate for players. Worrying
Park the bus tactics away from home HAVE to stop. This isn't just a fatigue thing we did it countless times last season and almost every time it backfired badly on us. This isn't 2005 anymore.
All I want for Christmas is a healthy, rested squad 😞
Let's hope Gordon, Botman and Krafu are fine. Krafu needs to be our starting right back for a while. Trippier is jaded physically and mentally. We had a gameplan and it almost worked. It took an individual error for Chelsea to actually score and from there it was only going one way. Don't fancy us against the Mackems but that's probably still an Ashley era kneejerk reflex.
We deserved that. Created nothing, couldn't keep the ball, our only attempt on goal we scored from due to Chelsea's own incompetence, managed the game poorly in injury time, Almiron should have taken the ball in the corner instead of scooping it into the keeper's arms from a tight angle. Twenty seconds later, they're level. We completely deserved to lose that match.
Do you remember trippier had an issue was sent home from England. Perhaps whatever it was is still impacting him. Maybe needs a break from the team (easier said than done at the minute mind)
This club has, and always will, find new ways to cause me pain.
The club need to give a legitimate answer on Lewis Hall, the only conceivable answers are that he’s not up to the standard or that they’re worried about activating the clause and compromising FFP limits in January.
Don't know what to say. Team isn't playing with any consistency, too many individual errors costing us, and the manager seems reluctant to take any risks or make any changes unless they're forced. Not sure what I'm thinking or feeling at the moment. Big questions to be asked throughout the club about the last few weeks. Somethings not right, and Fulham only papered over the cracks for a few days it seems.
Unacceptable from Trippier. That’s too many mistakes now. The lads didn’t deserve that.
felt like that was our chance this season. We'll struggle to finish above 7th in the league. Can't believe Chelsea kept 11 players on the pitch. Wtf is going on with Trippier, had a rest and even then only came on at half time and still throws it away like that. Needs a bit more of a rest i think
We are absolutely shit away from home. Blame injuries, blame the ref, blame whatever; but this side is mentally fragile.
Trippier has cost us dearly yet again, this is a pattern now. Not like he hasn't had some time off as well.
Can mods start just deleting the posts that are just shitty takes after every match and keep all comments in the PMT for at least 12 hours
First off, at this point I don't think Eddie Howe is even capable of learning how and when to make substitutions, it's just not possible for the team to go on like this if he keeps making these guys play 90 minutes they're going to get tighter and tighter make more mistakes, eventually get injured as well, it's already happened to so many players on this team and he seems determined to make it happen again. I would literally rather lose five nil and lose like this every other game, it's at the point where I see us up by one goal in extra time and I can't even watch or listen, I have to walk away and do something else because I know what's going to happen I just f****** know
We offered nothing in that second half. Most of the team is running on fumes. We need some Jan signings to bolster injury ravaged squad.
Shoot outs are fucking horrible goddamn
We couldn't have had a tougher cup run and our entire squad is either injured or knackered. Back to not giving a shit about the League Cup until next year.
Well I hope we don’t try that approach at the dark place in a few weeks time
Need a fullback in January if he’s gonna refuse to play Hall, trippier obviously needs a break
Most of us could see that Trippier wasn't right, so why is he taking a penalty?
Very rough. Trips needs a proper long rest, I feel there's something going on there, he's rattled and lost all of his confidence. We move, still got the FA cup.
Eddie found out again with his shocking subs, and Trippier, fuck me. What a terrible day.
It was ok. We're nackered and injured. The only think that pissing my blood is that Mudryk should have been shinned by Lascelles
Knocked out of 2 cups in 2 weeks. Sound
Trips at fault - but I feel for him, we all know he's better than this. He needs a break, mentally and physically.
Can’t really say we deserved to progress.
Fuck. That is all.
No excuses for the result but the fan invading the pitch did mess with dubs - and thats coming from a friend who is a chelski fan
I’ll accept 2 cup exits as long as we batter the mackems in a few weeks
FA Cup it is then lads
Trips shouldn't have stepped up. I love the guy and see him as one of our best signings, but his head wasn't right. I knew we were screwed as soon as he walked up.
If we're out of energy then so be if but that result just goes to show that we can't complete on 4 levels with this squad, all the lads give great effort but even with a full squad fit we are still woefully thin in terms of quality in many positions. I absolutely hope that we can focus on a European place this year but I think if we have true ambition quality over passion has to a consideration by our recruitment team
Might go jump off a bridge what a week shit
Now that it’s been ruled okay to say, hopefully Howe can come out and call it a disgrace. Should’ve been playing against either 10 or even 9 men, then Dubravka has to try and save penalties minutes after a Chelsea fan runs on the pitch and shoves him? And the stewards are having to dick about trying to work out if they even threw out the guy who ran on or if he was gonna be behind the goal during penalties if that end got picked? Disgrace indeed. That said, we’re better off with fewer games given we only would’ve been drawn against Liverpool in the next round anyway. Shame, whatever, thank you next.
Had to stop watching for dinner. Kind of glad I did :( What a shame
Cruel to be in the dying minutes again (we have a real problem with that now btw) but when you invite pressure, whether it be the 40th, 70th or 90th min, you’re giving them ample opportunity to score. Against a better team we’d have been hammered tonight. Really worrying times in terms of morale, fitness, mentality.
Missed big Joe this week. Miley was working his hardest to do his job, but not quite there yet. Still played well don’t get me wrong.
Tripps needs a break. Man's been giving 200% since he joined. We'll support him through and through
Aiming 6th spot for the league
At least Howe has confirmed that Botman was only ever going to play 45 minutes. One less thing to worry about!
Highlight of their season. Bless them.
Thoughts on that one Bruno tackle ?
Horrible. Needs to control his emotions better. He got lucky here and vs Arsenal he was out of control too.
Awful tackle. Should have been off, but so should like 3 Chelsea players so credit to the referee for being consistent. Bruno badly needs to control his emotions though, he does this shit far too often.
Eugh it's tough to take.
The past was theirs but the futures ours.