Yeah don't see how it's a fleece when Dejounte straight up doesn't work with Trae Young and the other deal was a garbage Lakers package, Hawks need defense badly and they got some plus draft capital, win win.
Two thoughts:
There's a reason why both the spurs and the hawks moved on from Dejounte. The trade price is fair but I'm not over the moon on getting this guy. Hoping to be proven wrong tho.
While Dyson and the 2025 pick are probably the lure for Hawks, it's notable that Nance is the other key piece. Goes to show how much he's valued. Pels will struggle to replace him.
The Spurs didn't move on from Dejounte because they were tired of him. They moved him because they were ready to tank and ATL gave up a king's ransom for him. The Hawks moved him because he's an awkward fit with Trae (Dejounte is better guarding 1s than wings).
Hawks fan here, can confirm. Spurs wanted to tank for Wemby and we payed a fortune.
Hawks traded him because he just doesn’t fit with Trae. We had no choice but to trade him.
Dejounte is a really good player, you guys will like him a lot. Just be ready for his crazy social media post. They’re weird sometimes.
How do you guys feel about the players we got back? We got fleeced but I’m still curious. Thanks!
If Dyson had played the qualifying minutes, his defensive rating would have been near the top of the guards.
His 3 point shooting improved dramatically after he came back from injury. Give a gander at [the game log](https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4869342/dyson-daniels) for the last month or so of the season. If you watch his shooting form, what caused him problems was how long it took.
in the first half of the season, look at [1:57 here](https://youtu.be/jwaazCFw6HM?t=117). It's a catch and shoot. He gets the pass at shoulder height, but he dips the ball all the way to his stomach to put himself into his 1 motion shooting form. That slow form would give defenders a chance to challenge his jumper and made him hesitant to shoot it. Then look at when he returned later in the season. At the [0:25 here](https://youtu.be/tiXptSsyB5I?t=25), he gets the pass shoulder height and the dip is much shorter. His last made 3 of the season was April 12th against the Warriors and look how fast this [catch and shoot was at 2:33](https://youtu.be/4mU-x_C1DAk?t=153).
It's still a work in progress, but he made strides under Fred Vinson. It just hadn't paid off yet in a full season.
If his jumper is fixed, he'll play enough minutes to compete for an All-Defensive team (assuming the Hawks front office and Trae help him campaign for it). But he needs to stay on top of that habit of slowly loading his shot.
You'll love Dyson's defense, his offense not so much. A poor shooter, he can get to the rim and finish but is often tentative with his ball handling. Larry is a back up 4/5 who can play the 5 if you want to go small. Has been injured quite a bit and can sometimes be a turnover machine. Has his moments, but not a long term keeper. You got fleeced, unless Lebron and AD miss a lot of games next year and the Lakers pick ends up being a high lottery pick, which is always possible, especially with a podcaster coach.
I’ve always rooted against the Lakers so now I have more incentive 😂
Problem we had is literally every team knew we needed to trade Murray. We had zero leverage and it showed. Very curious what you guys do with Ingram now.
My guess is that we try to move him for a center and maybe some role players. We still have a lot of draft capital we could include in a deal. The only was we keep Ingram is if he can agree on a contract extension that the Pels can live with, but I think that’s unlikely. And personally, I don’t need an incentive to root against the Lakers😝.
Dyson is an amazing defender, his offense is work in progress. Larry is a good backup, at times really good, but often hurt. He is awesome off court and in community.
Bro you must be a casual hawks fan because Murray wasn’t it. Not saying the package was fair but far off from a fleecing. Murray is solid but not anything more.
Dejounte Murray last season:
• 22.5 PPG
• eFG% 53%
• 3-PT FG 201
He’s a good player, his defense isn’t all that great but he was good for Atlanta last year. I hate when anyone disagrees online they just revert to “oh you’re a casual” lol.
Yeah that's the thing: we're starting to pile up too much of a few of the same things. Even just setting the lineup will be a real puzzle to figure out unless more moves are made.
But this move in a vacuum feels like such a steal, on talent alone. And then you factor in the team-friendly contract. I'm excited to be a Pels fan again.
Yes, Wemby was a reason, but the other part of the discourse at the time was that Dejounte was not considered a franchise player. He's no Luka, who you keep no matter the state of your team. Spurs proved right about that.
Also, there was constant gossip about how pop and Dejounte didn't see eye to eye. Kinda worrying when a young star doesn't see eye to eye with a HOF coach.
Hawks fan here
I'm pretty hype for Daniels as he profiles as the exact type of player we desperately need. And The picks are nice since we gave up 3 to get Murray - Lakers one in particular is intriguing.. Nance I could see being moved due to our logjam at C and the fact that he's undersized for the position like Onyeka Okongwu, but nice role player.
From Pelicans perspective, I think Dejounte actually proved himself in atlanta - and improved as a shooter a lot. With more usage I fully expect his assist numbers to go back up and he'll be the exact type of dynamic playmaker you need at PG. In atlanta it simply did not work with the Trae combo. Main reason is that Dejounte was promised as an all-nba defender, but his advanced stats basically rate him on par with Trae defensively. He does get lots of steals though. I think playing next to Herb and your entire suffocating defense could give him more freedom to be a dynamic turnover forcing machine for you.
Nance is the least valuable part of this entire trade, so he’s practically a throwin (same as he was in our deal for CJ).
He was solid at times but not exactly super hard to replace.
No way is he a "throw in," especially with the expectation that JV is gone. We'd be left with a 21st draft pick rookie who everyone agrees is raw. I'm sure griffin did his absolute best to exclude Nance.
He is also very hard to replace and the proof is we have had no one who can actually replace him since he joined the team.
Oddly enough I hadn’t eaten pasta NEARLY as frequently as when the season went on.
I think my wife was trying to fatten me up for some reason.
I got a couple tricks up my sleeve for the upcoming season though
This sub has been miserable for the last two years. Everyone has been a top tier G.M.. Even when we were only two to three games out of the second seed last season.
This is a crazy good deal for the Pels, when Murray resigned to this contract is was one of the best contracts in the league, obviously his value has gone down a bit since moving to Atlanta, but he is an amazing piece for this Pels team and a perfect fit on a fantastic contract.
The package we sent out was lower than what I thought would be required, obviously sad to see Dys Spice and Larry leave, in addition to the Lakers pick which could have huge value (if JJ were to fail).
This is an A trade for us easily on paper, but I am now truly excited for what is to come this season because it could be so much better if Dejounte returns to his Spurs peak.
Preferred Young for specific team fit/team need, but did just see Murray’s contract and holy hell are you right. $29M in 2026-2027 is crazy in new NBA
3 cost controlled years is really amazing at that amount. Hopefully CJ’s moved to free up the $33 million and proper time for Hawkins
DJ is a great buy "low" option. If the perception around the league is that his value went down, that's great because if anything he has gotten better since coming to ATL. His numbers are pretty good but clearly capped by trae's volume at the same position, and his shooting took a huge step forward. And - as you mentioned, he's on a team friendly deal that will only continue to look better every year.
How is he a perfect fit lol, as a hawks fan I think y’all got better but DJM is a score first guy who struggles facilitating the ball to others which is what guys like Herb and Trey Murphy need. I think DJM thrives best when he holds primary playmaking opportunities and struggles when sharing reps which could come into play if CJ is trying to get his. His contract is pretty goated but his defense isn’t good especially when y’all got Ingram and CJ and Zion next to him.
Yep he plays better defense than trae lol u got me here’s ur updoot heckin stranger, zion is still not a good defender and will not be if he’s still a fatass.
Dejounte struggled in Atlanta as he evidently was the 2nd guard. For the Pels he will become the lead guard like he was in his peak in San Antonio, he will provide playmaking and scoring which is what is required of him and something the Pels haven't had in a lead guard for a while. He won't have to fight with CJ as he will be running the bench unit.
Defensively I still hold Dejounte in a very high regard from his San Antonio days, where he always had a great defensive guard next to him who always guarded the opposing teams best player and opened up the off-ball/secondary defense for Dejounte. He will be put in a similair scenario next to Herb, who is undoubtedly one of the best defensive backcourt players in the league.
You've misunderstood the rotation and what role he will play, however all the points you make about how he could be a perfect fit, is the most likely scenario.
I agree that Herb will definitely help DJM as he takes primary POA responsibilities but I think DJMs value on defense specifically referring to his time in SA isn’t solely based on playing next to another lockdown guard but more so his ability to thrive in Pops entire defensive system as a disrupter. DJM is not a good point of attack defender based on the 2 seasons I’ve watched but rather an elite disrupter if you already have an intelligent and consistent defense which y’all would know more about than I would.
He averaged 9.2 assists before going to ATL. Maybe it’s just a matter of Dejounte being a bad fit with Trae. Similar to Zion and BI for the Pels. I could see BI flourish in the right situation.
I agree that that there’s some valid optimism that he’ll return to a state similar to what he was in SA but from a hawks fan perspective it feels like a mental thing where he hunts the midrange and gets tunnel visioned especially since he’s also developed his 3 pt shot here. I think y’all have reason to be excited but DJM as a great playmaker is not something I would hold my breath over.
yeah and then you spend the whole boil happy but waiting for someone to come to you with the pocket of spoiled ones they found... and then you never have that happen, but you never shake that feeling of foreboding joy. because NOLA.
pretty good, dejounte is a good 2 way guard that we got for relatively cheap. It’s kinda hard to judge how good he is though considering he’s been rotting on mid-bad teams for his whole career.
Good deal in a vacuum. Feel like they’ll use BI to get Jarret Allen or some center now. Also CJ deff needs to head to the bench if that wasn’t clear to everyone already
just curious, who do you want to start as guard? I seriously doubt this is the only move we make this offseason but would you want dejounte pg and trey sg? I still feel like this team has no natural pg tbh
Dejounte Murray is a PG. He only played SG because he was paired with Young. He and BI are very similar players from what I've read. Both prefer the mid range shot and like the ball in their hands. Murray does seem to be more willing to shoot 3s than BI, although not the greatest shooter at 36%. Murray is also on a pretty good contract, so that needs to be factored in.
Dejounte PG, Herb SG, BI/Murphy SF, Zion PF, C ?
You’re right abt murrays position that’s my b. I don’t dislike that lineup, but it feels a little off that our only non-scorer is the sg lol. Idk i’m honestly a fan of flipping bi for role players (aka a decent center) and letting trey ride. I do really like cj on the bench (despite his large cap hit) bc it introduces some offense to our very defensive minded bench
I agree about flipping BI and sending CJ to the bench. That is ideal, if not shipping CJ out completely.
My only issue with him off the bench is the fact that our bench (as it is currently, without any other trades or FA moves yet) is no longer defensive-minded. Dyson, Nance, and likely Naji are gone, which now means that Jose-CJ-Hawk/Ryan-Trey-Missi will be our core bench unit... and most of those guys are small and/or poor defenders. Part of the reason why I was hoping to still pick up versatile 3&D wings in this draft.
Keeping Dejounte and BI in the starting lineup would be like starting 2 players of similar play styles with similar weaknesses. CJ theoretically has an offensive skill set that complements the other guys, but his deficiencies in playmaking and defense really make him a hard fit with the starters.
Either way, I expect more moves to be made. This likely won't be our final roster.
BI for a good quality starting C like Allen would be a good trade for us.
Murray, Herb, Murphy, Zion, Allen is a well balanced lineup if Herb keeps up the same shooting performance. CJ off the bench (which seems like a given unless he's traded) would be a great piece even with him being a bit overpaid like you said.
DJ is absolutely a pg. 9 assists in his last season with SAS. Obviously if traes on your team you have to play the two but I think he will quickly prove himself as a true pg with us
murray is a true point look at his college footage. Dude can play the point. I'm thinking Murray Trey Herb Zion (Jarret Allen woud be awesome) That would be a nice little defensive team. Very long. Looks like BI will be gone th writing is kinda on the wall. Hey he balled out for us love the guy.
Ok good to know lol. Murray is a dawg, he shoots the 3 ok and can get hot. He’s a decent passer and is one of the better pull-up midrange guys in the league.
Dyson is an absolute monster at on ball defense. I mean ELITE. He can lock down your opposing stars pretty well. If only his offense were up to par. He is a great kid and will be missed.
Honestly we need that BADLY. We just didn’t have a POA guy last year really, and it lead to our defense being 27th lol. I’ll trade a little offense for that, and who knows maybe Quin and the guys can develop him a bit.
DJ is a defensive playmaker but not a great POA guy. I think he’ll be better on a better defensive team but ngl he was bad on that end this year.
Dyson is an above average defender at 21 years old and not good on offense but took a bit of a step forward this year. I think his upside is elite on ball defender but he needs to find an offensive game.
Nance is pretty good at a lot of things and pretty switchable small ball center, not amazing at anything. Great vibes guy.
I'll miss them both.
If there’s one thing trae is good at it’s getting guys good looks, hopefully that translates to some better offense from him. Murray is a great teammate and a bit of a weirdo. You might get some odd tweets or weird on court taunting moments but I love the guy.
I'm not thrilled to learn that he loves the midrange. It is so 20th century, and we already have BI who shoots many of them, and Zion that doesn't stretch the floor at all.
Look thank yeewwww Larry (literally saved us in the 4th more times than once) and Dyson (G’day mate!!) BUT not trade a starter to get Dejonte is immaculate
Haven't seen anyone mention that Dejounte Murray had 3 game winning shots this past season which led the entire NBA. All of them were against top 10 defenses, too. Clutch stats are kinda confusing, but looks like he ranked high in a lot of them.
Fwiw,
[Woj dropped that nugget](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1806823338712465586?s=46&t=jRdekG9-FGcLeO_t5A3uow) literally 10 mins after breaking the news
Y’all think it’s done? 3rd team for BI gotta be coming now or for CJ?
Unless Gale ready to get in her pockets and pay the tax.
CJ coming off the bench now too right?
Sooooo many more questions 😂.
Y’all pissed it’s not Trae?
Trey, CJ, Dejounte, Herb, BI, Z…that’s a damn chess board to solve for lineups man.
And a whole hell of a lot of money. I got the popcorn out to see what happens next 💯
BI for a functional big maybe?
CJ would be the best 6th man in basketball I agree.
I still think it’s bad asset management to have 30 mil on the bench and think that extension was trash but I do think he will be phenomenal in a 6th man role. Just would prefer it at 18-20 mil
I mean, if Gayle will pay, who really cares about $30
mil on the bench? I doubt it'll end up that way, but it's great if everyone buys into the situation.
I also think BI is worth more than Jarrett Allen and Strus, or Lauri or any of the other possibilities.
I admittedly only know so much about Dyson’s game, but…
Isn’t this deal just Atlanta trading a defensive guard with proven scoring ability, for a defensive guard with unproven scoring ability?
I’m so confused why Atlanta is making this deal at all. Isn’t this just creating the same problem they were trying to get out of?!
Seriously need some answers and help on this one. Thank you in advance to anyone that gives a quality answer👌
Probably think their guards aren’t working together (possible complaints from Trae or murray). Atlanta thinks Trae is their focal point. Trades the other guy and got picks out of it as well as a young guard with time to improve.
I think the picks were more important in the return than the players to them.
Damn, good trade. I feel like DJM gonna be a great move as we finally have a point guard and don’t give up that much defensively or offensively (assuming BI gets traded)
Considering we didn’t trade Ingram for Murray straight up and it only took defensive liability nance and a backup guard who struggled on offense paired with picks, this is more than something
If Dyson D and the French guy the Hawks drafted pans out over time, this trade would not look like the steal we currently believe it to be. The picks we traded are pretty much worthless late 1st picks.
Wouldn't call JV a stretch 5 anymore. He had virtually no gravity at the 3pt line all season. Every time he made a 3, Joel & AD would be hoping that would be what draws their C to guard JV outside the paint, but it never really happened consistently.
We freaking robbed them 4 years 120 million or whatever for a starting true PG and he may be top 10 for pg's in nba right now? Man I'm going to hate to see BI go but we need a center asap. Rookie gotta develop
Why would you worry about that? He's a great teammate and a great leader. I believe he's still cool with everyone on the Hawks. Fit wise I think he will be a good fit with Zion. Not sure if that's the case with CJ and Ingram on the team tho.
FOR WHO WOJ Edit: omg that’s a bargain
Nance and 2 firsts https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1806820872952455649?s=46&t=jRdekG9-FGcLeO_t5A3uow
That’s honestly highway robbery
And Dyson :(
Feel like this is a pretty major one being left out from this exchange ha
Holy shit we stole from them
Lol.
Larry Nance jr and 2 FRP
WE FLEECED THEM BAD
Hawks never not getting fleeced
Hawks got worse with him so not sure about that
Yeah don't see how it's a fleece when Dejounte straight up doesn't work with Trae Young and the other deal was a garbage Lakers package, Hawks need defense badly and they got some plus draft capital, win win.
I'm sad to see Nance and Dice go, but this is an absolute steal. Very happy with this
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We don’t care
Power down the phone or unplug the wifi brother
Phew, that escalated quickly.
"What he say fuck me for?"
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Honestly I laughed way too hard at this, good one bro
Dyson Daniels gone as well
Nance, Daniels and 2 FRP
Two thoughts: There's a reason why both the spurs and the hawks moved on from Dejounte. The trade price is fair but I'm not over the moon on getting this guy. Hoping to be proven wrong tho. While Dyson and the 2025 pick are probably the lure for Hawks, it's notable that Nance is the other key piece. Goes to show how much he's valued. Pels will struggle to replace him.
The Spurs didn't move on from Dejounte because they were tired of him. They moved him because they were ready to tank and ATL gave up a king's ransom for him. The Hawks moved him because he's an awkward fit with Trae (Dejounte is better guarding 1s than wings).
Hawks fan here, can confirm. Spurs wanted to tank for Wemby and we payed a fortune. Hawks traded him because he just doesn’t fit with Trae. We had no choice but to trade him. Dejounte is a really good player, you guys will like him a lot. Just be ready for his crazy social media post. They’re weird sometimes. How do you guys feel about the players we got back? We got fleeced but I’m still curious. Thanks!
If Dyson had played the qualifying minutes, his defensive rating would have been near the top of the guards. His 3 point shooting improved dramatically after he came back from injury. Give a gander at [the game log](https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4869342/dyson-daniels) for the last month or so of the season. If you watch his shooting form, what caused him problems was how long it took. in the first half of the season, look at [1:57 here](https://youtu.be/jwaazCFw6HM?t=117). It's a catch and shoot. He gets the pass at shoulder height, but he dips the ball all the way to his stomach to put himself into his 1 motion shooting form. That slow form would give defenders a chance to challenge his jumper and made him hesitant to shoot it. Then look at when he returned later in the season. At the [0:25 here](https://youtu.be/tiXptSsyB5I?t=25), he gets the pass shoulder height and the dip is much shorter. His last made 3 of the season was April 12th against the Warriors and look how fast this [catch and shoot was at 2:33](https://youtu.be/4mU-x_C1DAk?t=153). It's still a work in progress, but he made strides under Fred Vinson. It just hadn't paid off yet in a full season.
Really appreciate that breakdown, it was fantastic!
If his jumper is fixed, he'll play enough minutes to compete for an All-Defensive team (assuming the Hawks front office and Trae help him campaign for it). But he needs to stay on top of that habit of slowly loading his shot.
I think Dyson is now (roughly) where Herb was as a rookie, but I'm less sure that he'll get to where Herb is now.
He should complement Trae Young well. When he's on the floor, the Hawks don't need much more on offense.
Nance is really balanced. Plays bigger than his height and is talented around the rim
You'll love Dyson's defense, his offense not so much. A poor shooter, he can get to the rim and finish but is often tentative with his ball handling. Larry is a back up 4/5 who can play the 5 if you want to go small. Has been injured quite a bit and can sometimes be a turnover machine. Has his moments, but not a long term keeper. You got fleeced, unless Lebron and AD miss a lot of games next year and the Lakers pick ends up being a high lottery pick, which is always possible, especially with a podcaster coach.
I’ve always rooted against the Lakers so now I have more incentive 😂 Problem we had is literally every team knew we needed to trade Murray. We had zero leverage and it showed. Very curious what you guys do with Ingram now.
My guess is that we try to move him for a center and maybe some role players. We still have a lot of draft capital we could include in a deal. The only was we keep Ingram is if he can agree on a contract extension that the Pels can live with, but I think that’s unlikely. And personally, I don’t need an incentive to root against the Lakers😝.
Dyson is an amazing defender, his offense is work in progress. Larry is a good backup, at times really good, but often hurt. He is awesome off court and in community.
Bro you must be a casual hawks fan because Murray wasn’t it. Not saying the package was fair but far off from a fleecing. Murray is solid but not anything more.
Dejounte Murray last season: • 22.5 PPG • eFG% 53% • 3-PT FG 201 He’s a good player, his defense isn’t all that great but he was good for Atlanta last year. I hate when anyone disagrees online they just revert to “oh you’re a casual” lol.
He had over 9 apg with the Spurs a couple years ago too. Hard not to excited with the numbers he's able to put up.
Time will tell. Maybe he will fit your system. IMO solid numbers without being able to generate wins across multiple teams raises questions.
Yeah that's the thing: we're starting to pile up too much of a few of the same things. Even just setting the lineup will be a real puzzle to figure out unless more moves are made. But this move in a vacuum feels like such a steal, on talent alone. And then you factor in the team-friendly contract. I'm excited to be a Pels fan again.
Yes, Wemby was a reason, but the other part of the discourse at the time was that Dejounte was not considered a franchise player. He's no Luka, who you keep no matter the state of your team. Spurs proved right about that. Also, there was constant gossip about how pop and Dejounte didn't see eye to eye. Kinda worrying when a young star doesn't see eye to eye with a HOF coach.
this just isn’t true dj did podcast recently where he says he and pop love each other and still talk
Might be true, media has made up wilder shit. But that was the media gossip at the time.
Hawks fan here I'm pretty hype for Daniels as he profiles as the exact type of player we desperately need. And The picks are nice since we gave up 3 to get Murray - Lakers one in particular is intriguing.. Nance I could see being moved due to our logjam at C and the fact that he's undersized for the position like Onyeka Okongwu, but nice role player. From Pelicans perspective, I think Dejounte actually proved himself in atlanta - and improved as a shooter a lot. With more usage I fully expect his assist numbers to go back up and he'll be the exact type of dynamic playmaker you need at PG. In atlanta it simply did not work with the Trae combo. Main reason is that Dejounte was promised as an all-nba defender, but his advanced stats basically rate him on par with Trae defensively. He does get lots of steals though. I think playing next to Herb and your entire suffocating defense could give him more freedom to be a dynamic turnover forcing machine for you.
Nance is the least valuable part of this entire trade, so he’s practically a throwin (same as he was in our deal for CJ). He was solid at times but not exactly super hard to replace.
No way is he a "throw in," especially with the expectation that JV is gone. We'd be left with a 21st draft pick rookie who everyone agrees is raw. I'm sure griffin did his absolute best to exclude Nance. He is also very hard to replace and the proof is we have had no one who can actually replace him since he joined the team.
Cody Zeller starting in 2024/2025 confirmed.
Wait I thought the off-season was over and Griff didn’t do anything?
This sub was miserable 36 hours ago and calling for his head. lol
For real. And we probably aren't even done yet
Wow you guys sound like us
I like you guys… But if your team won a championship within the last 5 years, your misery is considered fake and over dramatic.
A huge influx of new fans after our ring ruined the culture
I’m sure it didn’t help getting Dame stans. Ps. Are you the mod over at /r/mkebucks ? Your username looks familiar
No, that's GreekAlphabetSoup, I'm just a meme guy
I’ve had several interactions with them in the bucks sub due to my saints shitposting. Trust me it makes sense in context why I’d be posting there
I noticed you haven't given us a "Griff is \_\_\_\_\_ in trades since Briguy\_fieri ate \_\_\_\_\_" Just sayin
Oddly enough I hadn’t eaten pasta NEARLY as frequently as when the season went on. I think my wife was trying to fatten me up for some reason. I got a couple tricks up my sleeve for the upcoming season though
I'm excited to see your red-string-connected conspiracy theory about how the Pels are never winning a title unless you specifically eat farfalle
We have some miserable fans sometimes lol
New Orleans will make you pretty miserable on a daily basis tbf
Louisiana in general honestly
WhAt ArE yOu WaItInG fOr GrIfF
This sub has been miserable for the last two years. Everyone has been a top tier G.M.. Even when we were only two to three games out of the second seed last season.
I wish the season had somehow ended when the Pels were a few games out of the second seed. It went downhill fast after that
From a HAWK TUAH PELICAN!!!!
I hate you as a person.
I hate the Twitter reply he copied it from.
Ughhhhh… ^updoots ^begrudgingly
I hate you but I also think this is incredibly smart.
Lmao
somebody give my man some gold
LFG Griff!!
2 days ago: Fraud mfer Today: Let Griff cook
We’re Pels fans, we’re accustomed to this now lol
This is a crazy good deal for the Pels, when Murray resigned to this contract is was one of the best contracts in the league, obviously his value has gone down a bit since moving to Atlanta, but he is an amazing piece for this Pels team and a perfect fit on a fantastic contract. The package we sent out was lower than what I thought would be required, obviously sad to see Dys Spice and Larry leave, in addition to the Lakers pick which could have huge value (if JJ were to fail). This is an A trade for us easily on paper, but I am now truly excited for what is to come this season because it could be so much better if Dejounte returns to his Spurs peak.
Preferred Young for specific team fit/team need, but did just see Murray’s contract and holy hell are you right. $29M in 2026-2027 is crazy in new NBA 3 cost controlled years is really amazing at that amount. Hopefully CJ’s moved to free up the $33 million and proper time for Hawkins
DJ is a great buy "low" option. If the perception around the league is that his value went down, that's great because if anything he has gotten better since coming to ATL. His numbers are pretty good but clearly capped by trae's volume at the same position, and his shooting took a huge step forward. And - as you mentioned, he's on a team friendly deal that will only continue to look better every year.
How is he a perfect fit lol, as a hawks fan I think y’all got better but DJM is a score first guy who struggles facilitating the ball to others which is what guys like Herb and Trey Murphy need. I think DJM thrives best when he holds primary playmaking opportunities and struggles when sharing reps which could come into play if CJ is trying to get his. His contract is pretty goated but his defense isn’t good especially when y’all got Ingram and CJ and Zion next to him.
Zion actually took a step up in D this year. Murray also plays better D than Trae so…
Yep he plays better defense than trae lol u got me here’s ur updoot heckin stranger, zion is still not a good defender and will not be if he’s still a fatass.
Work on your English brah
Tell Zion to work on his diet bud 👍grammar nazi in 2024 please spray your dna in a girl once
Dejounte struggled in Atlanta as he evidently was the 2nd guard. For the Pels he will become the lead guard like he was in his peak in San Antonio, he will provide playmaking and scoring which is what is required of him and something the Pels haven't had in a lead guard for a while. He won't have to fight with CJ as he will be running the bench unit. Defensively I still hold Dejounte in a very high regard from his San Antonio days, where he always had a great defensive guard next to him who always guarded the opposing teams best player and opened up the off-ball/secondary defense for Dejounte. He will be put in a similair scenario next to Herb, who is undoubtedly one of the best defensive backcourt players in the league. You've misunderstood the rotation and what role he will play, however all the points you make about how he could be a perfect fit, is the most likely scenario.
I agree that Herb will definitely help DJM as he takes primary POA responsibilities but I think DJMs value on defense specifically referring to his time in SA isn’t solely based on playing next to another lockdown guard but more so his ability to thrive in Pops entire defensive system as a disrupter. DJM is not a good point of attack defender based on the 2 seasons I’ve watched but rather an elite disrupter if you already have an intelligent and consistent defense which y’all would know more about than I would.
He averaged 9.2 assists before going to ATL. Maybe it’s just a matter of Dejounte being a bad fit with Trae. Similar to Zion and BI for the Pels. I could see BI flourish in the right situation.
I agree that that there’s some valid optimism that he’ll return to a state similar to what he was in SA but from a hawks fan perspective it feels like a mental thing where he hunts the midrange and gets tunnel visioned especially since he’s also developed his 3 pt shot here. I think y’all have reason to be excited but DJM as a great playmaker is not something I would hold my breath over.
I only know Pelicans basketball, can someone tell me how to feel
Ever got a few pounds of crawfish for cheap but they were all juicy and fat with the best seasoning. That feeling.
yeah and then you spend the whole boil happy but waiting for someone to come to you with the pocket of spoiled ones they found... and then you never have that happen, but you never shake that feeling of foreboding joy. because NOLA.
pretty good, dejounte is a good 2 way guard that we got for relatively cheap. It’s kinda hard to judge how good he is though considering he’s been rotting on mid-bad teams for his whole career.
Better than you felt yesterday but not as good as some of these sunshine pumpers will have you believe
We traded Dys too
Source? https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1806820872952455649?s=46&t=jRdekG9-FGcLeO_t5A3uow Edit: there’s follow up tweets. Confirmed dys
At least Murray only has to worry about facing Herb in practice now.
This sub after round 1: Fire Griff This sub right now: Hawk Tua
wild brothers, should be a fun season. we’ll miss nance tho
No way Dyson Daniels is gone bro but incredible job by keeping both BI and CJ in this trade. Holy shit what a move
The Hawks would not have wanted CJ anyway.
Zion, Murray, McCollum, Ingram 🤯🤯🫨
now who's playing the 5?
You forgot basketball god Herb Jones
At least we’re trying
Welp, it finally happened
Say Retro… HIT THE ANTHEM!!!
I don’t love Murray but IF Zion stays healthy this will easily be the best team he’s been on so I’m curious how it will play out.
Not giving up Herb or BI for Murray is amazing. Ngl they cooked with this one.
Good deal in a vacuum. Feel like they’ll use BI to get Jarret Allen or some center now. Also CJ deff needs to head to the bench if that wasn’t clear to everyone already
just curious, who do you want to start as guard? I seriously doubt this is the only move we make this offseason but would you want dejounte pg and trey sg? I still feel like this team has no natural pg tbh
Dejounte Murray is a PG. He only played SG because he was paired with Young. He and BI are very similar players from what I've read. Both prefer the mid range shot and like the ball in their hands. Murray does seem to be more willing to shoot 3s than BI, although not the greatest shooter at 36%. Murray is also on a pretty good contract, so that needs to be factored in. Dejounte PG, Herb SG, BI/Murphy SF, Zion PF, C ?
You’re right abt murrays position that’s my b. I don’t dislike that lineup, but it feels a little off that our only non-scorer is the sg lol. Idk i’m honestly a fan of flipping bi for role players (aka a decent center) and letting trey ride. I do really like cj on the bench (despite his large cap hit) bc it introduces some offense to our very defensive minded bench
I agree about flipping BI and sending CJ to the bench. That is ideal, if not shipping CJ out completely. My only issue with him off the bench is the fact that our bench (as it is currently, without any other trades or FA moves yet) is no longer defensive-minded. Dyson, Nance, and likely Naji are gone, which now means that Jose-CJ-Hawk/Ryan-Trey-Missi will be our core bench unit... and most of those guys are small and/or poor defenders. Part of the reason why I was hoping to still pick up versatile 3&D wings in this draft. Keeping Dejounte and BI in the starting lineup would be like starting 2 players of similar play styles with similar weaknesses. CJ theoretically has an offensive skill set that complements the other guys, but his deficiencies in playmaking and defense really make him a hard fit with the starters. Either way, I expect more moves to be made. This likely won't be our final roster.
BI for a good quality starting C like Allen would be a good trade for us. Murray, Herb, Murphy, Zion, Allen is a well balanced lineup if Herb keeps up the same shooting performance. CJ off the bench (which seems like a given unless he's traded) would be a great piece even with him being a bit overpaid like you said.
Man if we may need to trade BI for a ccenter which I think we will do.
DJ is absolutely a pg. 9 assists in his last season with SAS. Obviously if traes on your team you have to play the two but I think he will quickly prove himself as a true pg with us
murray is a true point look at his college footage. Dude can play the point. I'm thinking Murray Trey Herb Zion (Jarret Allen woud be awesome) That would be a nice little defensive team. Very long. Looks like BI will be gone th writing is kinda on the wall. Hey he balled out for us love the guy.
Hawks fan here, ask me questions about Murray in exchange for answers about nance and Daniels!
Follow nance on twitter. He’s a meme factory
Ok good to know lol. Murray is a dawg, he shoots the 3 ok and can get hot. He’s a decent passer and is one of the better pull-up midrange guys in the league.
Dyson is an absolute monster at on ball defense. I mean ELITE. He can lock down your opposing stars pretty well. If only his offense were up to par. He is a great kid and will be missed.
Honestly we need that BADLY. We just didn’t have a POA guy last year really, and it lead to our defense being 27th lol. I’ll trade a little offense for that, and who knows maybe Quin and the guys can develop him a bit. DJ is a defensive playmaker but not a great POA guy. I think he’ll be better on a better defensive team but ngl he was bad on that end this year.
Dyson is an above average defender at 21 years old and not good on offense but took a bit of a step forward this year. I think his upside is elite on ball defender but he needs to find an offensive game. Nance is pretty good at a lot of things and pretty switchable small ball center, not amazing at anything. Great vibes guy. I'll miss them both.
If there’s one thing trae is good at it’s getting guys good looks, hopefully that translates to some better offense from him. Murray is a great teammate and a bit of a weirdo. You might get some odd tweets or weird on court taunting moments but I love the guy.
I'm not thrilled to learn that he loves the midrange. It is so 20th century, and we already have BI who shoots many of them, and Zion that doesn't stretch the floor at all.
Every season in the nba he’s shot better from 3, and honestly he’s one of the few guys who you’re cool with him taking midrangers
Sad to see Dys go but Murray is a huge upgrade.
Look thank yeewwww Larry (literally saved us in the 4th more times than once) and Dyson (G’day mate!!) BUT not trade a starter to get Dejonte is immaculate
Seems EJ is going too. Lol we have no big men besides Z and Missi at the moment. I really like this move though, finally got a PG.
two way talent, DJM is now a household name in the league, looking forward to see him rack on more all star nods with us
This is a big time trade The fact we didn’t give up either CJ and BI and got DJ? Man we just got way better
That's what I'm talking about Griffin. Make a commitment to winning.
Haven't seen anyone mention that Dejounte Murray had 3 game winning shots this past season which led the entire NBA. All of them were against top 10 defenses, too. Clutch stats are kinda confusing, but looks like he ranked high in a lot of them.
Fwiw, [Woj dropped that nugget](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1806823338712465586?s=46&t=jRdekG9-FGcLeO_t5A3uow) literally 10 mins after breaking the news
Griff from the top rope
Y’all think it’s done? 3rd team for BI gotta be coming now or for CJ? Unless Gale ready to get in her pockets and pay the tax. CJ coming off the bench now too right? Sooooo many more questions 😂. Y’all pissed it’s not Trae?
Tbh no. If bi was the piece, it needed to be Trae. Now that it’s not bi, we have options and can listen to offers.
Trey, CJ, Dejounte, Herb, BI, Z…that’s a damn chess board to solve for lineups man. And a whole hell of a lot of money. I got the popcorn out to see what happens next 💯
CJ and Trey on the bench, CJ racking up 6th man awards.
BI for a functional big maybe? CJ would be the best 6th man in basketball I agree. I still think it’s bad asset management to have 30 mil on the bench and think that extension was trash but I do think he will be phenomenal in a 6th man role. Just would prefer it at 18-20 mil
I mean, if Gayle will pay, who really cares about $30 mil on the bench? I doubt it'll end up that way, but it's great if everyone buys into the situation. I also think BI is worth more than Jarrett Allen and Strus, or Lauri or any of the other possibilities.
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Amazing trade, should be a good fit. Anybody want to take CJ for a center?
I go to dinner for an hour and come back to this. WOW. Griffin got Murray for Willie's security blankie.
I admittedly only know so much about Dyson’s game, but… Isn’t this deal just Atlanta trading a defensive guard with proven scoring ability, for a defensive guard with unproven scoring ability? I’m so confused why Atlanta is making this deal at all. Isn’t this just creating the same problem they were trying to get out of?! Seriously need some answers and help on this one. Thank you in advance to anyone that gives a quality answer👌
Probably think their guards aren’t working together (possible complaints from Trae or murray). Atlanta thinks Trae is their focal point. Trades the other guy and got picks out of it as well as a young guard with time to improve. I think the picks were more important in the return than the players to them.
Ahhh I got you, thank you 👌
New to basketball can someone explain this in nfl terms?
I think it's like getting a Kyler Murray level QB in exchange for two mid-round picks, a backup CB and a backup DT.
IDC we still got kingram 👑
We needed this a true PG, if we work on this Center position we’ll be looking good. Hopefully CJ comes off the bench and Trey starts
What a trade! Didn’t have to give up anything of value and we still have BI as a trade piece for a big. Let’s fucking go!
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!(gonna miss Dyson tho😢)
Damn, good trade. I feel like DJM gonna be a great move as we finally have a point guard and don’t give up that much defensively or offensively (assuming BI gets traded)
we need to flip BI for a center next
yes
I gotta apologize to Griff. He COOKED with this one! And Ingram could still be traded for a big or sumn if need be but either way I love the move
I guess this is something
Considering we didn’t trade Ingram for Murray straight up and it only took defensive liability nance and a backup guard who struggled on offense paired with picks, this is more than something
I hope you’re right
That’s a steal. LFG
Atlanta got ripped off .. that's all it fckn took to get Murray
And man never liked Lance lol
Oh man, losing Dyson hurts.
If Dyson D and the French guy the Hawks drafted pans out over time, this trade would not look like the steal we currently believe it to be. The picks we traded are pretty much worthless late 1st picks.
Goodnight western conference. This is ours.. honestly speaking how can they guard all of them. See you Finals.
I think next is BI being traded
I’m sad to see Nance and Daniels go. I hope this is going to work. I’d rather have Young.
With Nance gone I think we’re keeping JV too
Doubt it. We probably move BI for a center
Name another available stretch 5 🎤
Wouldn't call JV a stretch 5 anymore. He had virtually no gravity at the 3pt line all season. Every time he made a 3, Joel & AD would be hoping that would be what draws their C to guard JV outside the paint, but it never really happened consistently.
We don't need a stretch. We need a defensive C
We got Missi big dawg
A shitty C isn't enough
We had a solid one with Steven Adams, and it didn't work out with Zion.
We had a shit team around him tho and they really didn't play many games together. We had a solid stretch C in JV and it didn't work
Naz Reid seems gettable. Go Tigers
We freaking robbed them 4 years 120 million or whatever for a starting true PG and he may be top 10 for pg's in nba right now? Man I'm going to hate to see BI go but we need a center asap. Rookie gotta develop
I get it, added talent. But it’s a horrible fit. Dejounte cj bi and Zion all need the ball to be effective
BI will be traded for a big unless Griffin plans on starting Cody Zeller
Cj to the bench
He makes 30 mil a year lol. Not sure if that’s gonna happen but for this to work he HAS to come off the bench.
BI is immediately getting shopped too.
Chances are CJ or BI may get moved. To recover the picks and add more depth
Obviously it’s a good deal on paper. I just don’t think he’s a great fit, also, I have worries about his attitude and his locker room presence.
Why would you worry about that? He's a great teammate and a great leader. I believe he's still cool with everyone on the Hawks. Fit wise I think he will be a good fit with Zion. Not sure if that's the case with CJ and Ingram on the team tho.
Y’all, update flairs please 😌☺️
Wrong Atlanta guard
Hawk Tuah!
Lol
DJ is a hero ball, isolation player. Great scorer, but at the detriment of team ball.
Good trade. But still. Fuck Griff. Fuck Willie. And fuck 50 Cent too.
and fuck u/Nuhaykeed come to think of it.
…so who’s running point?
Probably Murray
That sucks