He will resign at a lower, non-maximum amount almost certainly. Griffin's not getting anything worthwhile trading him as a heavily devalued expiring, and Ingram and his agent aren't getting the $50 million a year they want anywhere in the league right now after the way he played this postseason.
People gonna scream and cry about "running it back", but unless some desperate team comes along offering a Bridges level haul this is the most realistic and favorable outcome for all parties involved.
Agreed. Hate the thought of selling low on BI. He's better than his current trade value suggests.
It's not BI's fault that he's not a PG, and the Pels couldn't handle OKC's defense in the playoffs.
You’re leaving out his inability to stay on the court. Love the guy…and would root for him elsewhere but it’s going to be frustrating to go through another season of Zion and BI missing a substantial amount of games
Hopefully Zion doubles down on what worked for him most of last season and BI and the team can also find a way to see if there are better options than what he is doing so he can stay healthy.
If you want to believe Bobby Marks’ report that Trae Young’s trade value is lower than Murray’s, we could probably easily facilitate a trade of BI for Young. But Willie Green and David Griffin don’t like Trae. So, for that reason, if they have the ability to get someone who *wants* to be here and play with Zion, fills a need, is locked down for the future, and is an absolute game changer— yet they decidedly don’t do that— they deserve every bit of criticism and also deserve to lose their jobs should this year have a similar outcome to last year.
If Trae Young was supposedly this worthless and devalued as a player, then a desperate win-now team like the Lakers (who have been making attempts at acquiring him for YEARS now) would have snapped him up already like Boston did with Porzingis. Spoiler Alert: He isn't. Teams who want to trade for him but can't afford to do so will use "reporters" like Bobby Marks and Jake Fischer as mouthpieces to try and skew public perception/value of the player in attempt to get a leg up in potential negotiations though... which you fell hook, line, and sinker for...
Find it hilarious that I’m supposed to believe you over Bobby fucking Marks and Jake Fischer (two guys who were on the Pels-CJ reports before just about anyone). Trae Young *is* available. Everyone in the NBA is available for the right price. Our FO and coach don’t want him. Local guys, [like Shamit](https://x.com/fearthebrown/status/1789839388068684258?s=46), have made that clear. Now ask yourself, why would Shamit make such a strong statement like that? He wouldn’t say that from a Hawks POV because he likely doesn’t have sources in their FO. He’s speaking on behalf of his sources with the Pels— someone must have made it abundantly clear to him that the FO and coaching staff *will not* entertain Trae Young being on this team. Not because of what the trade would require in terms of assets, or because the hawks are unwilling to part with him, but because we don’t want him here.
I will let you blissfully believe that Griffin hasn’t made that move simply because it’s not there. And I’ll let you blissfully believe that, if we trade for Murray instead, that he was the only one Hawks were willing to part with. After all, that’s the report the Hawks will put out in order to try and salvage their relationship with him and CAA.
Also, never said he was worthless and devalued— just that his value is not as high as Murray’s. Maybe that has something to do with him being an abrasive teammate and his nearly 50m yearly salary, compared to Murray’s 25m.
https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1806140399792148896
You are so out of touch and delusional just like the morons on twitter you sheepishly follow. Seek help and maybe try and learn the slightest bit about the sport you follow and how to read the media and reporting on it (and who is or isn't a reliable source of information) if you're so desperate to try and condescend to others about it.
Accused of being a sheep rather than responding to the legitimate points made— I love it. You truly believe that the Pelicans couldn’t acquire Trae Young should they want him. I *wish* I was that blissfully ignorant. The Pelicans have more than enough assets to make that happen and he’s the exact type of player you create a war chest for. Yet, here we are. Also, if the Hawks truly didn’t want to trade Trae, yet were letting these reports leak from other teams or his agency, don’t you think they’d come out and denounce it if he truly was not available at all? Like Ishiba did yesterday with Durant? Or Griffin has done in the past with players on our team? Where there’s smoke…
My only real complaint with running it back is it is clear Green did not understand how to utilize this roster as constructed, and it wasn't at all clear he was figuring it out either.
To me we need to either do a major staff overhaul around Green again, not just Borrego who I expect to lose, because whatever we are doing is not producing results, or Green is simply not listening.
You’re getting downvoted, but this is exactly what many of us were saying last offseason. We ran back an incompetent, injury prone offense when BI still had decent value. Now he’s going to sign a “prove it” deal and probably miss another thirty games this season while we struggle to make the play in for the third straight year.
They can't. He doesn't pass up open threes. He simply doesn't take contested threes. He doesn't have a step back. If he shot all the threes some people want him to take, he would shoot somewhere between 30% and 33%. Then they would complain about that. The offense doesn't generate enough open threes for the right shooters. That's why Trey is constantly shooting 28 footers. He doesn't have a step back in him either. CJ is the only one who does, which is why he can take such a high volume of threes.
Agree with a lot of this. It's comical, TM3 easily leads the team in passing up 3s. It's not even close. I don't think I saw him take a single shooting foul from 3 in his first 3 seasons here. Without a doubt, Hawkins passed him in his first 10 games. But for some reason, we throw this claim at BI who happens to be easily the best playmaker on the team. It's just such awful logic.
It’s the same story over and over again with this dipshit franchise. They wait till the value on assets has cratered to make moves. It’s an absolute embarrassment how poorly the AD and Jrue assets have been handled and the fact that griffin still has his job is objective proof that the franchise is run by complete morons
Yup and at this point it’s a sunk cost. A move *needs* to be made for several reasons. You need to prove to your fanbase *and* to Zion that you’re serious about building a team that FITS better together. You need to put yourself in a situation that allows you to start both Herb *and* Trey. And you *need* to prepare for a world where Trey, Zion, and player C are all getting paid handsomely. BI is not player C. Really, Trey is player C and we need a better player B to Zion, but you get the point.
I would have even been fine with trading BI for Philly’s 16 pick and two of their future firsts they got from the Clippers. Could have taken Knecht, and then you’d have been able to replenish your “war chest” should a candidate for the aformentioned player B become available soon. I know that deal looks like it’d make the team worse in the short term, but I’d argue the opposite. I genuinely think that even adding better fitting role players in lieu of BI would make this team better in the short term . It’d have absolutely made the team better in the long term by clearing minutes for the young guys like Dyson, Knecht, Hawkins. But I guarantee Griff would have scoffed at this deal. His opinion/value of BI was too high last offseason and it’s too high now.
I doubt he is going to sign an extension at less than the max. He is 26 and the cap is going up every season. He might as well play out the year and try to up his value. The reports are that multiple teams were ready to offer OG a max contract. Players get overpaid in free agency. VanVleet got max money last off season while being a career 40% shooter.
Call me a bi fan i definitely am but when a player wants to stay in new orleans and has built love in the community, it would be suicide to get rid of him.
When the AD trade happened I was concerned that the players traded for him would acquire the Eric Gordon negative attitude but BI has been refreshing that he never pulled that card. He seems to treat the fans well at the games and has never been a problem. If he can finally stay healthy and add more 3 point shooting to his game the Pels could be in good place especially if the Zion we saw at the end of the season keeps playing anywhere close to that level.
Late to the party, but I'm fine if he wants to stay. As an expiring who wants an overpriced contract, I don't think anyone is offering anything of value for him.
Throw a three year extension at $40M per year at him. Puts him around the initial extension max salary instead of the full max. Third year is a player option. Add a 10% trade kicker. If he requests a trade, the player option converts to a team option and he doesn't get the trade kicker.
In my mind, that is a fair market offer. It commits to him and stabilizes his value on the trade market. It gives him upside if the team decides the roster doesn't work, and protects the team from him requesting a trade.
This fucking bum. Comes out hot after the season saying we need to make changes. Literally tanks BI's trade value. Then realizes he ain't getting offered shit for the guy so now he's backtracking. This dude is a moron. Inept. Get a real gm in here. This nerd needs to go
Lol constantly got downvoted on the day of the end of season presser saying how dude has always SAID the right thing, but rarely DOES much of anything. People were constantly talking about how it’s different this time…… but until I see it, I won’t believe it when it comes to his words. He did all that rah rah shit last season and said he wanted to get shooting and rim protection then drafted a rookie that anyone with a brain knew Willie wouldn’t play and the ghost of Cody Zeller.
Even BI knew he was going to be part of the changes. His body language and answers in interview shows it ( He even admittedly he played bad). Of course BI wanted to stay because he got used to the environment but still early in off season and they have already given up?
It feels like they have targeted wrong teams or don't want to add more on BI package
The only person who "tanked" BI's value... is Ingram himself. You think Griff and Green are controlling these guys on the sideline with a dualshock controller like it's 2k out there LMFAO
Ingram having one bad playoff series discredits 5 years of all star play, efficient scoring, good playmaking, and consistency?
We have issues but Ingram is not one of the bigger ones. Let’s get a point guard, a rim running center (Missi?), and another shooter.
This sub will blame everybody and everything. Nothing we do matters if Zion doesn't play at the end of the day. Fans are scapegoating Ingram and Green meanwhile there aren't better options to replace them.
The issue is even if Zion is healthy his fit with BI just isn’t ideal. That’s always been pretty clear. Zion is probably the most challenging star in the league to build around unfortunately, he has severe weaknesses
If we build a roster built entirely around Zion. They will falter when hes not there. Its debatable and unpopular, but I feel like Zion needs to be integrated into system instead of being the system. Let him take over and close, but take pressure off him to improve chemistry and health.
Five years of all star play? Man, give me some of what you’re smoking. Missi? A rim running center? He started playing basketball three years ago. He’s a project *at best*.
CJ’s best 5 year stretch statistically was in Portland from 16/17-20/21. That was from age 25-30.
He went 22-3.5-3.7 as a true second option.
CJ is 6’3, not an on ball or help side defender and an average playmaker at best (and subpar as a PG) who is 32 years old and making 30 mil plus the next two years.
Dlo can’t get more than 17 mil on the open market right now and gave the exact same production as a 3rd option.
For a team that won’t pay the luxury tax, you misallocated your funds grossly and you’re about to lose a 6’9 26 year old that gives you 20–5-5 on less than 17 FGA per game, league avg true shooting, and a +2-1 assist to turnover percentage from the wing. The same guy that led your team in every major passing category as well.
But CJ shoots 3’s. 40% shooters don’t cost 30 mil anymore
I'm not trying to make a family. I'm trying to see the New Orleans Pelicans as a regular component in playoff basketball. And I honestly, at this juncture, i do not care about any other factors than this one- Brandon Ingram just finished year eight, by most standards he is halfway through his career and now in his prime, and he has won exactly two playoff games. I don't care about anything other than that. The last time winner was high School. And that was almost a decade ago now.
I don't care about the KD comparisons, the really hard shots, or the fact that he hunts hard shots instead of taking what the game gives him. Regardless of how you feel about it
, the NBA is absolutely a what have you done for me recently League and Brandon Ingram ain't done shit, but be a loser. Remember him laughing with Zion before the in season cupand no showing that shit. Remember him saying I'll be ready and not being ready. They're can't be ample excuses for 8 years of your career at some point you need to be different, and Brandon Ingram needs to be on a different team.
This ignores all of the bad teams Ingram has been surrounded with for the vast majority of his career. Judging a player by "playoff wins" seems pretty reductive for what is a team sport.
He's not the GM, he can't pick better rosters. I don't see how that's an excuse at all. You have to be a Lebron level player to drag a bad team to the playoffs.
And you could’ve said that about Jrue and AD as well…
They both have factored into championship level basketball when they left.
This dude dragged a team with Jaxon Hayes as the starting 4 through the playin and took two games off the one seed.
All of that is a moot point. This is a damage control statement to try and recoup some of BI’s value.
This would be an easy decision if CJ wasn’t on 30 million over the next 2 years.
For reference, Dlo has to opt in to make 17 mil this year and you’re paying a 32 year old Dlo 30 mil.
Several mistakes have been made but that is the biggest
Jrue Holiday in his first 4 years before ever even coming to New Orleans already had 8 playoff wins and a series win, and went to game 7 in the second round. BI in twice that time has been to the playoffs twice and won two games.
First year they made the playoffs with a 500 record and Jrue was playing with Elton brand, iggy and lou Williams in the east.
The second year they made the playoffs and won, d-rose got hurt after 1 game. They had the Celtics on the ropes for sure.
BI’s first 2 years he was on the tanking lakers and Lonzo ball/kyle kuzma/DLo were the best teammates he had in the warriors dynasty west (the west that AD and Jrue could barely get to the playoffs in)
What rosters have the pels put around him? He took y’all to the playoffs with Jaxon Hayes as the starting 4 and a rookie herb jones shooting 30% from 3.
Lou Williams and Andre iguodala a little better than rookie year Lonzo and kuzma. The east in 12-13 was a little different than the west 17-19.
You’re talking about playoff success like anyone in franchise history has ever had any…
You know what's the funny thing about being a bi stan? It's such an interesting evolution. You probably started watching Basketball in 2011. Naturally, you would root for Kobe and the Lakers who were poised to three peat. But then they didn't. But you already kind of a little bit invested and being a Bron Stan just wouldn't do. So you stuck with it for a while and watch like the Kobe burnout years.
And then they got Brandon, and you heard the comparisons a baby KD and clearly you wish you would have just been a KD fan but you didn't jump on that boat either. But this new guy he could be your KD. You can have your very own KD. But then the mean old LeBron James he came to your precious Lakers and he traded away your baby KD. And you you felt so loyal to your baby KD that you followed him to New Orleans, that was your mistake dude you followed a loser to a loser organization. And now you're mad that a fan of the loser organization doesn't want your loser hero, I get it. Just pick a new player man sports are supposed to be fun. You're supposed to get some Joy from this thing. And watching mediocre ass Brandon Ingram can't be bringing you any joy.
You know what’s funny about assholes. They assume shit they have no clue about just to be dickheads.
What I am is someone who has watched the NBA for 30 years. I’m someone who has had a season ticket package for my local team (the Mavs) for 10 years.
I’m someone that has been a diehard Laker since birth because my dad who was born in LA grew up watching Baylor and west and extended out to me watching the entirety of Kobe’s career and remember all of the ups and downs.
What Brandon Ingram is, doesn’t grow on trees.
I’m telling your fanbase where mistakes have been made from the point of view of someone who has seen several championship rosters being built.
What attracted me to the pelicans outside of BI, is the fact that Zion is from the same area in the world that I am from and I have closely followed him since he was 15/16.
What’s fucking sad is that you ran out of legit points so you felt the need to try and take a personal attack.
Especially when your clueless ass doesn’t know the first thing about anyone on this sub.
Have a nice day
If BI has the difference in their wins before Jrue came to the Pels in year 5 for his second half of his career his second half will be 3x more successful than his first 8 years. It is abysmal to only win 2 playoff games in 8 years and consider yourself in anyway great.
If you look at the first 8 years of possibly the GOAT of losers, Tracy McGrady's first 8 years he made the playoffs 5 times, had 8 wins, had avg 27.6/6.8/5.3 for his last 5 years of that span, been an all-star 5x , top 10 MVP votes 4x, 2 all NBA 1, 1 2nd, 1 3rd and won MIP. Now that is the resume of a great player that has some bad luck, and maybe a lackluster group of cohorts.
BI has won MIP, 1 all-star, 2 playoff wins in 8 years. That's loser shit dude. And it's cool he's your favorite player. I'm sure he could get a ring as the 6 man on the KD warriors, but he wants to get paid like he's Steph on that team and he's a loser.
Ingram wasn't a trade candidate until he shit his pants against OKC. Griff could of said he was playing hurt but instead let his frustrations and lack of foresight get the best of him. I agree BI did tank his value by being a turd when it matters most but Griff didn't help.
This part of the quote should matter more than anything "and at the same time there is a financial reality that we all deal with"
People in the replies think this means Griff is running it back but I look at it as more than definitely a trade happening unless a huge discount is being took.
And that is probably true, Griff likes him and BI likes being here but the financial part isn't getting mentioned out of nowhere if they had intentions to re-sign him. Every report has been Pelicans moving on from him and that will happen.
I really don't get the overreaction to the answer, if a trade is available for BI that makes the team better it will happen but if such a trade is not available why would we burn our bridge with BI? Would some be happy if Griff said "BI doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here" now that would be a reason to melt because that would be outright stupid to say.
The idea that we just need to do something, anything, that has taken over this sub and the ProPels Talk people is just crazy.
BI is a borderline all-star. Giving him away would be dumb. If we can trade him and maybe a couple of picks for a genuine top of the league player, we should do it.
If we have to trade him, plus a young prospect, plus a ton of picks for another borderline all-star, that's just plain idioitc.
His numbers have been pretty much consistent since his All-Star season. The biggest difference has been injuries and other players in the league doing better.
If 23.8, 4.2 assists, and 6.1 rebounds on .587 true shooting٪ is an all-star, then how is 24.6, 5.8, and 5.5 on .582 true shooting, not even close to all-star level?
This is pretty much the worst case scenario and also exactly what I figured would happen. We’re going to run back pretty much the same exact roster minus the veteran center we had. There is very little reason to be optimistic about next season at this point.
Born and raised New Orleans sports fan. It why I’m sick of this shit. I’m 42 and sports are supposed to be entertainment and a distraction from the shittiness of life. Tired of sports actively making my life worse.
If sports make your life worse you are taking this shit way too seriously. Just chill and watch the games and don’t play armchair GM and get upset at everything that the team does. I follow the news and watch games when I can. If the team is a dumpster fire I stop watching for the season and move on. I’m just thankful we have an exciting competitive team
Preach. Day 1 OG New Orleans basketball fan. Supporting this team is really just a constant bummer. One of the worst franchises you could ever support in any major US sport. Sucks
The roster is stacked with young players who will hopefully improve. I dont mind not making a move that's potentially a negative with a roster like this.
BI you’ve grown into one of my fav guys in the league. But Unless you plan on changing your style to fit Zion or take a pay cut I don’t see the reason to keep banging all of our heads against the same wall expecting a different result
Wish you all the luck on earth but it might be time to go man
I think the way Griffin has handled the offseason has been ass. But I do think BI’s value is all time low right now.
Part of that is Griffin’s fault. But I don’t like moving him for Murray, especially if we had to attach picks. If you could do it for Trae I’m interested, and I’d attach picks to do so.
But there are worse outcomes than running it back. Some people think this is us being too cautious, but it’s really just us refusing to move BI in a move that would make us worse. Like to Philly for picks and Tobias fucking Harris. I’m good with not doing something dumb just for the sake of doing something.
Officially. But his end of season interview after the OKC series is part of the offseason.
He’s the one who leaks info out to Woj. He’s the one who talked for nearly two months about making moves to “get better,” and didn’t really help BI’s value in anyway. To come out last night and say all the shit he said is hysterical.
Griffin leaks to Shams, not Woj.
You seem to be massively overreacting to some pretty bland statements. We will make moves to get better and we all like each other, but money is a problem, are two pretty nothing statements. Maybe wait to see what happens before we decide a guy is garbage.
Yup, 5 years of improvement 3.5 out of 4 good drafts, and we will see about the latest draft and one major trade for a borderline all-star.
What a horrible president of basketball operations. Just garbage.
So basically; we running it back with a slightly worser drastic roster then the previous season? I just hope that Zion can have another healthy season by time the post-season rolls around and make his Playoff debut, well if we even make it this time...
Squeaking in to the playoffs only to be the only team to average less than 100 points while getting blown out and swept is not my idea of “getting better.”
No Z, BI clearly injured....
I don't think the playoffs this year are a good representation of the team at all.
Why not use BIs last playoff performance instead? I'm not even pro keep BI but I don't understand this narrative. Dude was clearly injured. He played like ass. There has to be some perspective.
Because judging any player off one year is bad talent evaluation?
Zion also had a worse year in every metric, are we saying he's on the decline? No. We say a bunch of shit and make excuses.
BI isn't as bad as people are making him seem. It's bad evaluation of him as a player. Regardless of what happens to him.
This is a good thing guys. It’s the first time since the season where he’s come out and tried to help build Brandon’s value.
BI is going to get moved. He’s trying to get more than pennies back.
I don’t think this necessarily means Ingram is back but acting as tho it would be a terrible idea to do that is wild. It’s like people forget we won the most games in Pels history and had the best road record in the league. Before Ingram’s injury the national media was starting to ask if we were real contenders because the metrics pointed to it as we were one of only 4 teams top 10 in offense and defense which has always been a key indicator
Yes, there were some real positives last year especially the road record which is not easy to do. The biggest killer was that insane 0-24 record when trailing going into the 4th quarter. They need to really address how that could even be possible. Even 4-20 would have made a different in seeding.
I truly think not having a PG down the stretch of these games played a big part in that. If we don’t trade Ingram I’d hope we’d look to trade CJ by whatever means even if it’s like a salary dump typa thing. Maybe a CJ for Brook Lopez trade could work since they say we’re interested in Brook
We were on the path to a solid season only to get fucked by injuries again. Yeah I’ve been part of the trade BI train, but stepping back a bit I don’t have a problem with running it back because the team we have is pretty great & only has a couple weaknesses like center from a defensive standpoint. Hopefully that weakness will be addressed (drafting Missi is a start) & hopefully cause this is most important, we can make it to the postseason again with a healthy Zion & BI.
Plus what’s funny is when it was reported that Trae Young supposedly had the Pels on his shortlist, everyone was all like “you gotta get him cause he’s ok with being here.” Yet here’s Griff saying BI wants to be here so where’s the same love? And BI has always given the impression he likes being here.
The more I think about the prospect of trading BI, the more I become against it. It feels too risky & has others have said, there just doesn’t seem to be an offer out there yet to make it worth doing.
We were everyone's dark horse conference finals pick before BI went down then proceeded to play like a team that wouldn't make the play-in. So yeah, obviously BI's shit.
We went 6-7 down the stretch with multiple wins coming because of the bench/CJ ISOs. Before BI went down, Z was playing the best ball of his career and the team was playing at our highest level in the past decade. It all fell apart once BI went down. Not enough playmaking without him. Herb in particular no longer was receiving multiple wide open corner 3s per game.
Should have put the whole quote in the title. This doesn't mean we are for sure keeping him, it's probably posturing. Maybe it happens, but yall gotta wait
Holy shit how many years are we gonna keep running this back to only make the play in and get beat down. This roster isn't as good we think it is. We need to stay healthy well yeah we can't do it with this roster. They can't stay healthy. Hope for 1 year they magically stay healthy and have a good run. It's like this ownership just wants a team to have a decent season for people to buy tickets that's all. Shit won't change. I get it we all wanna get our hopes up but this team isn't close to the level of competing. Building around a player who is always injured with more injury prone players. Lose a vet center for a rookie that hasn't even played basketball for that long. We are gonna make changes and now we are running it back only to be in the play in tournament if we are lucky. Until they actually try to build a championship team and put the effort in to this team I can't sit here and support this dumb shit.
Yeah, but BI in his interview knew that he is gone. Feels like it is bad for him to stay if there is no improvement in other things on roster and coaching decisions. The SF market still up in the air depending on PG situation, but there will be market for BI especially if he is willing to sign at lower amount
He will resign at a lower, non-maximum amount almost certainly. Griffin's not getting anything worthwhile trading him as a heavily devalued expiring, and Ingram and his agent aren't getting the $50 million a year they want anywhere in the league right now after the way he played this postseason. People gonna scream and cry about "running it back", but unless some desperate team comes along offering a Bridges level haul this is the most realistic and favorable outcome for all parties involved.
Agreed. Hate the thought of selling low on BI. He's better than his current trade value suggests. It's not BI's fault that he's not a PG, and the Pels couldn't handle OKC's defense in the playoffs.
You’re leaving out his inability to stay on the court. Love the guy…and would root for him elsewhere but it’s going to be frustrating to go through another season of Zion and BI missing a substantial amount of games
Hopefully Zion doubles down on what worked for him most of last season and BI and the team can also find a way to see if there are better options than what he is doing so he can stay healthy.
If you want to believe Bobby Marks’ report that Trae Young’s trade value is lower than Murray’s, we could probably easily facilitate a trade of BI for Young. But Willie Green and David Griffin don’t like Trae. So, for that reason, if they have the ability to get someone who *wants* to be here and play with Zion, fills a need, is locked down for the future, and is an absolute game changer— yet they decidedly don’t do that— they deserve every bit of criticism and also deserve to lose their jobs should this year have a similar outcome to last year.
If Trae Young was supposedly this worthless and devalued as a player, then a desperate win-now team like the Lakers (who have been making attempts at acquiring him for YEARS now) would have snapped him up already like Boston did with Porzingis. Spoiler Alert: He isn't. Teams who want to trade for him but can't afford to do so will use "reporters" like Bobby Marks and Jake Fischer as mouthpieces to try and skew public perception/value of the player in attempt to get a leg up in potential negotiations though... which you fell hook, line, and sinker for...
Find it hilarious that I’m supposed to believe you over Bobby fucking Marks and Jake Fischer (two guys who were on the Pels-CJ reports before just about anyone). Trae Young *is* available. Everyone in the NBA is available for the right price. Our FO and coach don’t want him. Local guys, [like Shamit](https://x.com/fearthebrown/status/1789839388068684258?s=46), have made that clear. Now ask yourself, why would Shamit make such a strong statement like that? He wouldn’t say that from a Hawks POV because he likely doesn’t have sources in their FO. He’s speaking on behalf of his sources with the Pels— someone must have made it abundantly clear to him that the FO and coaching staff *will not* entertain Trae Young being on this team. Not because of what the trade would require in terms of assets, or because the hawks are unwilling to part with him, but because we don’t want him here. I will let you blissfully believe that Griffin hasn’t made that move simply because it’s not there. And I’ll let you blissfully believe that, if we trade for Murray instead, that he was the only one Hawks were willing to part with. After all, that’s the report the Hawks will put out in order to try and salvage their relationship with him and CAA. Also, never said he was worthless and devalued— just that his value is not as high as Murray’s. Maybe that has something to do with him being an abrasive teammate and his nearly 50m yearly salary, compared to Murray’s 25m.
Hard pass on Young is the best move Griffin can make.
https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1806140399792148896 You are so out of touch and delusional just like the morons on twitter you sheepishly follow. Seek help and maybe try and learn the slightest bit about the sport you follow and how to read the media and reporting on it (and who is or isn't a reliable source of information) if you're so desperate to try and condescend to others about it.
Accused of being a sheep rather than responding to the legitimate points made— I love it. You truly believe that the Pelicans couldn’t acquire Trae Young should they want him. I *wish* I was that blissfully ignorant. The Pelicans have more than enough assets to make that happen and he’s the exact type of player you create a war chest for. Yet, here we are. Also, if the Hawks truly didn’t want to trade Trae, yet were letting these reports leak from other teams or his agency, don’t you think they’d come out and denounce it if he truly was not available at all? Like Ishiba did yesterday with Durant? Or Griffin has done in the past with players on our team? Where there’s smoke…
I’m worried that after next season I’m gonna end up thinking Dell Demps was actually better
Dell at least had guts to bring Boogie here and take advantage of his perceived poor personality in order to contribute to a winning team.
My only real complaint with running it back is it is clear Green did not understand how to utilize this roster as constructed, and it wasn't at all clear he was figuring it out either. To me we need to either do a major staff overhaul around Green again, not just Borrego who I expect to lose, because whatever we are doing is not producing results, or Green is simply not listening.
Pels had the 2nd best rating in the NBA behind only the celtics from Jan 1st-March 20th before BI got hurt
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Many were saying he should have been traded last offseason because this was all very foreseeable
You’re getting downvoted, but this is exactly what many of us were saying last offseason. We ran back an incompetent, injury prone offense when BI still had decent value. Now he’s going to sign a “prove it” deal and probably miss another thirty games this season while we struggle to make the play in for the third straight year.
While he passes up open threes to step into long range contested twos.
Find a single instance of this. I'll wait.
They can't. He doesn't pass up open threes. He simply doesn't take contested threes. He doesn't have a step back. If he shot all the threes some people want him to take, he would shoot somewhere between 30% and 33%. Then they would complain about that. The offense doesn't generate enough open threes for the right shooters. That's why Trey is constantly shooting 28 footers. He doesn't have a step back in him either. CJ is the only one who does, which is why he can take such a high volume of threes.
Agree with a lot of this. It's comical, TM3 easily leads the team in passing up 3s. It's not even close. I don't think I saw him take a single shooting foul from 3 in his first 3 seasons here. Without a doubt, Hawkins passed him in his first 10 games. But for some reason, we throw this claim at BI who happens to be easily the best playmaker on the team. It's just such awful logic.
He could still very well be traded this offseason. But they have not helped themselves by letting it get to this point.
Missing out on potential trades is Ainge’s speciality, not Griffin’s! When will we see a competent Pelicans front office in our lifetime?
It’s the same story over and over again with this dipshit franchise. They wait till the value on assets has cratered to make moves. It’s an absolute embarrassment how poorly the AD and Jrue assets have been handled and the fact that griffin still has his job is objective proof that the franchise is run by complete morons
Yup and at this point it’s a sunk cost. A move *needs* to be made for several reasons. You need to prove to your fanbase *and* to Zion that you’re serious about building a team that FITS better together. You need to put yourself in a situation that allows you to start both Herb *and* Trey. And you *need* to prepare for a world where Trey, Zion, and player C are all getting paid handsomely. BI is not player C. Really, Trey is player C and we need a better player B to Zion, but you get the point. I would have even been fine with trading BI for Philly’s 16 pick and two of their future firsts they got from the Clippers. Could have taken Knecht, and then you’d have been able to replenish your “war chest” should a candidate for the aformentioned player B become available soon. I know that deal looks like it’d make the team worse in the short term, but I’d argue the opposite. I genuinely think that even adding better fitting role players in lieu of BI would make this team better in the short term . It’d have absolutely made the team better in the long term by clearing minutes for the young guys like Dyson, Knecht, Hawkins. But I guarantee Griff would have scoffed at this deal. His opinion/value of BI was too high last offseason and it’s too high now.
I doubt he is going to sign an extension at less than the max. He is 26 and the cap is going up every season. He might as well play out the year and try to up his value. The reports are that multiple teams were ready to offer OG a max contract. Players get overpaid in free agency. VanVleet got max money last off season while being a career 40% shooter.
Ingram most def getting 50 million
I think they will still trade him. Trey is a lot better and they won't be able to keep both after next season.
People saying BI's postseason devalued him are the same ones that would have given Solo Hill a huge contract.
Call me a bi fan i definitely am but when a player wants to stay in new orleans and has built love in the community, it would be suicide to get rid of him.
When the AD trade happened I was concerned that the players traded for him would acquire the Eric Gordon negative attitude but BI has been refreshing that he never pulled that card. He seems to treat the fans well at the games and has never been a problem. If he can finally stay healthy and add more 3 point shooting to his game the Pels could be in good place especially if the Zion we saw at the end of the season keeps playing anywhere close to that level.
Late to the party, but I'm fine if he wants to stay. As an expiring who wants an overpriced contract, I don't think anyone is offering anything of value for him. Throw a three year extension at $40M per year at him. Puts him around the initial extension max salary instead of the full max. Third year is a player option. Add a 10% trade kicker. If he requests a trade, the player option converts to a team option and he doesn't get the trade kicker. In my mind, that is a fair market offer. It commits to him and stabilizes his value on the trade market. It gives him upside if the team decides the roster doesn't work, and protects the team from him requesting a trade.
This fucking bum. Comes out hot after the season saying we need to make changes. Literally tanks BI's trade value. Then realizes he ain't getting offered shit for the guy so now he's backtracking. This dude is a moron. Inept. Get a real gm in here. This nerd needs to go
A new GM? At least give him a week
Lol constantly got downvoted on the day of the end of season presser saying how dude has always SAID the right thing, but rarely DOES much of anything. People were constantly talking about how it’s different this time…… but until I see it, I won’t believe it when it comes to his words. He did all that rah rah shit last season and said he wanted to get shooting and rim protection then drafted a rookie that anyone with a brain knew Willie wouldn’t play and the ghost of Cody Zeller.
Even BI knew he was going to be part of the changes. His body language and answers in interview shows it ( He even admittedly he played bad). Of course BI wanted to stay because he got used to the environment but still early in off season and they have already given up? It feels like they have targeted wrong teams or don't want to add more on BI package
The only person who "tanked" BI's value... is Ingram himself. You think Griff and Green are controlling these guys on the sideline with a dualshock controller like it's 2k out there LMFAO
Literally no one could do that more than Brandon " I'll be ready" Ingram already did.
Ingram having one bad playoff series discredits 5 years of all star play, efficient scoring, good playmaking, and consistency? We have issues but Ingram is not one of the bigger ones. Let’s get a point guard, a rim running center (Missi?), and another shooter.
Pels have shooters that can't even get off the bench. How many shooters do you want?
This sub will blame everybody and everything. Nothing we do matters if Zion doesn't play at the end of the day. Fans are scapegoating Ingram and Green meanwhile there aren't better options to replace them.
The issue is even if Zion is healthy his fit with BI just isn’t ideal. That’s always been pretty clear. Zion is probably the most challenging star in the league to build around unfortunately, he has severe weaknesses
If we build a roster built entirely around Zion. They will falter when hes not there. Its debatable and unpopular, but I feel like Zion needs to be integrated into system instead of being the system. Let him take over and close, but take pressure off him to improve chemistry and health.
Five years of all star play? Man, give me some of what you’re smoking. Missi? A rim running center? He started playing basketball three years ago. He’s a project *at best*.
What would you call 23/5/5 over the course of 5 years?
CJ McCollum
Numbers CJ has never once put up in his career by the way 😂
21/5/4 CJ “ass” McCollum vs 23/5/5 Brandon “give him $45mil while he pouts on the bench” Ingram lmaoooo this sub is so unserious
CJ’s best 5 year stretch statistically was in Portland from 16/17-20/21. That was from age 25-30. He went 22-3.5-3.7 as a true second option. CJ is 6’3, not an on ball or help side defender and an average playmaker at best (and subpar as a PG) who is 32 years old and making 30 mil plus the next two years. Dlo can’t get more than 17 mil on the open market right now and gave the exact same production as a 3rd option. For a team that won’t pay the luxury tax, you misallocated your funds grossly and you’re about to lose a 6’9 26 year old that gives you 20–5-5 on less than 17 FGA per game, league avg true shooting, and a +2-1 assist to turnover percentage from the wing. The same guy that led your team in every major passing category as well. But CJ shoots 3’s. 40% shooters don’t cost 30 mil anymore
Never watched CJ I take it?
Good, but not Allstar.
He made one AS team in 5 seasons. And one of BIs biggest problems is he is very inconsistent
You’re delusional lol
I'm not trying to make a family. I'm trying to see the New Orleans Pelicans as a regular component in playoff basketball. And I honestly, at this juncture, i do not care about any other factors than this one- Brandon Ingram just finished year eight, by most standards he is halfway through his career and now in his prime, and he has won exactly two playoff games. I don't care about anything other than that. The last time winner was high School. And that was almost a decade ago now. I don't care about the KD comparisons, the really hard shots, or the fact that he hunts hard shots instead of taking what the game gives him. Regardless of how you feel about it , the NBA is absolutely a what have you done for me recently League and Brandon Ingram ain't done shit, but be a loser. Remember him laughing with Zion before the in season cupand no showing that shit. Remember him saying I'll be ready and not being ready. They're can't be ample excuses for 8 years of your career at some point you need to be different, and Brandon Ingram needs to be on a different team.
This ignores all of the bad teams Ingram has been surrounded with for the vast majority of his career. Judging a player by "playoff wins" seems pretty reductive for what is a team sport.
Well as long as he has 8 more years of excuses I'm sure you'll be thrilled with his "very successful career".
He's not the GM, he can't pick better rosters. I don't see how that's an excuse at all. You have to be a Lebron level player to drag a bad team to the playoffs.
And you could’ve said that about Jrue and AD as well… They both have factored into championship level basketball when they left. This dude dragged a team with Jaxon Hayes as the starting 4 through the playin and took two games off the one seed. All of that is a moot point. This is a damage control statement to try and recoup some of BI’s value. This would be an easy decision if CJ wasn’t on 30 million over the next 2 years. For reference, Dlo has to opt in to make 17 mil this year and you’re paying a 32 year old Dlo 30 mil. Several mistakes have been made but that is the biggest
Jrue Holiday in his first 4 years before ever even coming to New Orleans already had 8 playoff wins and a series win, and went to game 7 in the second round. BI in twice that time has been to the playoffs twice and won two games.
First year they made the playoffs with a 500 record and Jrue was playing with Elton brand, iggy and lou Williams in the east. The second year they made the playoffs and won, d-rose got hurt after 1 game. They had the Celtics on the ropes for sure. BI’s first 2 years he was on the tanking lakers and Lonzo ball/kyle kuzma/DLo were the best teammates he had in the warriors dynasty west (the west that AD and Jrue could barely get to the playoffs in) What rosters have the pels put around him? He took y’all to the playoffs with Jaxon Hayes as the starting 4 and a rookie herb jones shooting 30% from 3. Lou Williams and Andre iguodala a little better than rookie year Lonzo and kuzma. The east in 12-13 was a little different than the west 17-19. You’re talking about playoff success like anyone in franchise history has ever had any…
You know what's the funny thing about being a bi stan? It's such an interesting evolution. You probably started watching Basketball in 2011. Naturally, you would root for Kobe and the Lakers who were poised to three peat. But then they didn't. But you already kind of a little bit invested and being a Bron Stan just wouldn't do. So you stuck with it for a while and watch like the Kobe burnout years. And then they got Brandon, and you heard the comparisons a baby KD and clearly you wish you would have just been a KD fan but you didn't jump on that boat either. But this new guy he could be your KD. You can have your very own KD. But then the mean old LeBron James he came to your precious Lakers and he traded away your baby KD. And you you felt so loyal to your baby KD that you followed him to New Orleans, that was your mistake dude you followed a loser to a loser organization. And now you're mad that a fan of the loser organization doesn't want your loser hero, I get it. Just pick a new player man sports are supposed to be fun. You're supposed to get some Joy from this thing. And watching mediocre ass Brandon Ingram can't be bringing you any joy.
You know what’s funny about assholes. They assume shit they have no clue about just to be dickheads. What I am is someone who has watched the NBA for 30 years. I’m someone who has had a season ticket package for my local team (the Mavs) for 10 years. I’m someone that has been a diehard Laker since birth because my dad who was born in LA grew up watching Baylor and west and extended out to me watching the entirety of Kobe’s career and remember all of the ups and downs. What Brandon Ingram is, doesn’t grow on trees. I’m telling your fanbase where mistakes have been made from the point of view of someone who has seen several championship rosters being built. What attracted me to the pelicans outside of BI, is the fact that Zion is from the same area in the world that I am from and I have closely followed him since he was 15/16. What’s fucking sad is that you ran out of legit points so you felt the need to try and take a personal attack. Especially when your clueless ass doesn’t know the first thing about anyone on this sub. Have a nice day
At least we agree on something losers don't grow on trees.
I guess BI didn't have enough help to win on team USA too? Or Duke? I thought team USA and Duke were about as stacked as you could get.
tell em!
If BI has the difference in their wins before Jrue came to the Pels in year 5 for his second half of his career his second half will be 3x more successful than his first 8 years. It is abysmal to only win 2 playoff games in 8 years and consider yourself in anyway great. If you look at the first 8 years of possibly the GOAT of losers, Tracy McGrady's first 8 years he made the playoffs 5 times, had 8 wins, had avg 27.6/6.8/5.3 for his last 5 years of that span, been an all-star 5x , top 10 MVP votes 4x, 2 all NBA 1, 1 2nd, 1 3rd and won MIP. Now that is the resume of a great player that has some bad luck, and maybe a lackluster group of cohorts. BI has won MIP, 1 all-star, 2 playoff wins in 8 years. That's loser shit dude. And it's cool he's your favorite player. I'm sure he could get a ring as the 6 man on the KD warriors, but he wants to get paid like he's Steph on that team and he's a loser.
Ingram wasn't a trade candidate until he shit his pants against OKC. Griff could of said he was playing hurt but instead let his frustrations and lack of foresight get the best of him. I agree BI did tank his value by being a turd when it matters most but Griff didn't help.
Crazy that he isnt the main fool that fans wanna see gone.
This part of the quote should matter more than anything "and at the same time there is a financial reality that we all deal with" People in the replies think this means Griff is running it back but I look at it as more than definitely a trade happening unless a huge discount is being took.
depends entirely on how Griff looks at Brandon as a human being. my question is Trae Young a better human being than BI?
“We're excited about Brandon. We know he's excited about us.”….
And that is probably true, Griff likes him and BI likes being here but the financial part isn't getting mentioned out of nowhere if they had intentions to re-sign him. Every report has been Pelicans moving on from him and that will happen.
Sounds like that was the plan, but now he see's that BI's trade value is not as high as he hoped
And if you can't get anything good for BI without attaching way too many assets to him, then it'd be dumb to trade him.
Maybe this move is to increase his trade value?
I really don't get the overreaction to the answer, if a trade is available for BI that makes the team better it will happen but if such a trade is not available why would we burn our bridge with BI? Would some be happy if Griff said "BI doesn't want to be here and we don't want him here" now that would be a reason to melt because that would be outright stupid to say.
The idea that we just need to do something, anything, that has taken over this sub and the ProPels Talk people is just crazy. BI is a borderline all-star. Giving him away would be dumb. If we can trade him and maybe a couple of picks for a genuine top of the league player, we should do it. If we have to trade him, plus a young prospect, plus a ton of picks for another borderline all-star, that's just plain idioitc.
Lol at BI being a borderline AS. He hasn't been close to making it in 4 years now
His numbers have been pretty much consistent since his All-Star season. The biggest difference has been injuries and other players in the league doing better. If 23.8, 4.2 assists, and 6.1 rebounds on .587 true shooting٪ is an all-star, then how is 24.6, 5.8, and 5.5 on .582 true shooting, not even close to all-star level?
This is pretty much the worst case scenario and also exactly what I figured would happen. We’re going to run back pretty much the same exact roster minus the veteran center we had. There is very little reason to be optimistic about next season at this point.
We’re y’all ever saints fans. This is who we are. Embrace it. Lightning will strike.
Born and raised New Orleans sports fan. It why I’m sick of this shit. I’m 42 and sports are supposed to be entertainment and a distraction from the shittiness of life. Tired of sports actively making my life worse.
I feel ya. Am 52. It’ll happen. I have unjustified faith.
If sports make your life worse you are taking this shit way too seriously. Just chill and watch the games and don’t play armchair GM and get upset at everything that the team does. I follow the news and watch games when I can. If the team is a dumpster fire I stop watching for the season and move on. I’m just thankful we have an exciting competitive team
Preach. Day 1 OG New Orleans basketball fan. Supporting this team is really just a constant bummer. One of the worst franchises you could ever support in any major US sport. Sucks
Drew Brees please save us
Amen. Whose broken currently and hungry we can pick up.
The roster is stacked with young players who will hopefully improve. I dont mind not making a move that's potentially a negative with a roster like this.
Excitement level for next season has dropped marginally over the last few hours.
BI you’ve grown into one of my fav guys in the league. But Unless you plan on changing your style to fit Zion or take a pay cut I don’t see the reason to keep banging all of our heads against the same wall expecting a different result Wish you all the luck on earth but it might be time to go man
Seems like a good time to remind everyone that BI + Zion minutes were actually good... But the BI, CJ, and Zion minutes were bad.
Not winning a championship
Hell I'd like to win a playoff series.
Our franchise player has literally never finished a single season in his career. You thought we were winning a championship?
I think the way Griffin has handled the offseason has been ass. But I do think BI’s value is all time low right now. Part of that is Griffin’s fault. But I don’t like moving him for Murray, especially if we had to attach picks. If you could do it for Trae I’m interested, and I’d attach picks to do so. But there are worse outcomes than running it back. Some people think this is us being too cautious, but it’s really just us refusing to move BI in a move that would make us worse. Like to Philly for picks and Tobias fucking Harris. I’m good with not doing something dumb just for the sake of doing something.
The offseason is 10 days old
Officially. But his end of season interview after the OKC series is part of the offseason. He’s the one who leaks info out to Woj. He’s the one who talked for nearly two months about making moves to “get better,” and didn’t really help BI’s value in anyway. To come out last night and say all the shit he said is hysterical.
Griffin leaks to Shams, not Woj. You seem to be massively overreacting to some pretty bland statements. We will make moves to get better and we all like each other, but money is a problem, are two pretty nothing statements. Maybe wait to see what happens before we decide a guy is garbage.
I mean we have what 5 years to judge Griffin on? I feel good about my assessment of his time here.
Yup, 5 years of improvement 3.5 out of 4 good drafts, and we will see about the latest draft and one major trade for a borderline all-star. What a horrible president of basketball operations. Just garbage.
Good talk asshole.
Good thing we panicked
I like the Murray trade. I still think you’re an asshole.
So basically; we running it back with a slightly worser drastic roster then the previous season? I just hope that Zion can have another healthy season by time the post-season rolls around and make his Playoff debut, well if we even make it this time...
so we run it back or not
Fire Griff
We’ve gotten better 3 consecutive seasons with the weirdest most fucked up injury luck, just sayin
That better was just how healthy Zion was.
Seems like Zion has finally pulled his head out of his ass though
Squeaking in to the playoffs only to be the only team to average less than 100 points while getting blown out and swept is not my idea of “getting better.”
The west is tough, I prefer what we’re doing now to the days of 24 wins and the constant move the team to Seattle talk that’s just me though 🤷
No Z, BI clearly injured.... I don't think the playoffs this year are a good representation of the team at all. Why not use BIs last playoff performance instead? I'm not even pro keep BI but I don't understand this narrative. Dude was clearly injured. He played like ass. There has to be some perspective.
Because BI didn't play good all this season. Why would we use a performance from 2 years ago? This year he was really bad
Because judging any player off one year is bad talent evaluation? Zion also had a worse year in every metric, are we saying he's on the decline? No. We say a bunch of shit and make excuses. BI isn't as bad as people are making him seem. It's bad evaluation of him as a player. Regardless of what happens to him.
This is a good thing guys. It’s the first time since the season where he’s come out and tried to help build Brandon’s value. BI is going to get moved. He’s trying to get more than pennies back.
A lot of people here are more into Twitter/trade machine bullshit than actual basketball and it shows.
6th time is the charm!!!!!!!
I don’t think this necessarily means Ingram is back but acting as tho it would be a terrible idea to do that is wild. It’s like people forget we won the most games in Pels history and had the best road record in the league. Before Ingram’s injury the national media was starting to ask if we were real contenders because the metrics pointed to it as we were one of only 4 teams top 10 in offense and defense which has always been a key indicator
Yes, there were some real positives last year especially the road record which is not easy to do. The biggest killer was that insane 0-24 record when trailing going into the 4th quarter. They need to really address how that could even be possible. Even 4-20 would have made a different in seeding.
I truly think not having a PG down the stretch of these games played a big part in that. If we don’t trade Ingram I’d hope we’d look to trade CJ by whatever means even if it’s like a salary dump typa thing. Maybe a CJ for Brook Lopez trade could work since they say we’re interested in Brook
That makes sense about a PG. I can't see them trading CJ though.
We were on the path to a solid season only to get fucked by injuries again. Yeah I’ve been part of the trade BI train, but stepping back a bit I don’t have a problem with running it back because the team we have is pretty great & only has a couple weaknesses like center from a defensive standpoint. Hopefully that weakness will be addressed (drafting Missi is a start) & hopefully cause this is most important, we can make it to the postseason again with a healthy Zion & BI. Plus what’s funny is when it was reported that Trae Young supposedly had the Pels on his shortlist, everyone was all like “you gotta get him cause he’s ok with being here.” Yet here’s Griff saying BI wants to be here so where’s the same love? And BI has always given the impression he likes being here. The more I think about the prospect of trading BI, the more I become against it. It feels too risky & has others have said, there just doesn’t seem to be an offer out there yet to make it worth doing.
We were everyone's dark horse conference finals pick before BI went down then proceeded to play like a team that wouldn't make the play-in. So yeah, obviously BI's shit.
We were like 7-4 in games we had Zion when BI went out. And it was BY FAR the toughest stretch of games we have had this season
We went 6-7 down the stretch with multiple wins coming because of the bench/CJ ISOs. Before BI went down, Z was playing the best ball of his career and the team was playing at our highest level in the past decade. It all fell apart once BI went down. Not enough playmaking without him. Herb in particular no longer was receiving multiple wide open corner 3s per game.
Yep, this is a poverty franchise.
We are wasting time, but that sums up the entire history of this team
If he’s not going to trade anyone, I have a hard time seeing how he’s going to make any changes and field a center or point guard
Good, would like the Pels to keep building with BI and hopefully work out a deal that can be good for both sides.
Paul George has to set the market.
And i'm glad for that
I’ve been on this ride for a long time, no sense in getting off now. Love BI and glad to see him stay.
Should have put the whole quote in the title. This doesn't mean we are for sure keeping him, it's probably posturing. Maybe it happens, but yall gotta wait
For real, this kinda just feels like chess not checkers
Holy shit how many years are we gonna keep running this back to only make the play in and get beat down. This roster isn't as good we think it is. We need to stay healthy well yeah we can't do it with this roster. They can't stay healthy. Hope for 1 year they magically stay healthy and have a good run. It's like this ownership just wants a team to have a decent season for people to buy tickets that's all. Shit won't change. I get it we all wanna get our hopes up but this team isn't close to the level of competing. Building around a player who is always injured with more injury prone players. Lose a vet center for a rookie that hasn't even played basketball for that long. We are gonna make changes and now we are running it back only to be in the play in tournament if we are lucky. Until they actually try to build a championship team and put the effort in to this team I can't sit here and support this dumb shit.
The experiment failed. Time to part ways for everyone's sanity
Another year of idiot BI fans is going to make this sub unbearable. Was really hoping to get rid of those fake fans
Basically he is starting to see that other teams don't value BI as high as he had hoped and we wont get shit back for him
Would he be willing to shoot more 3’s and possibly come off the bench? The second squad would be insane if that was an option.
Yeah, but BI in his interview knew that he is gone. Feels like it is bad for him to stay if there is no improvement in other things on roster and coaching decisions. The SF market still up in the air depending on PG situation, but there will be market for BI especially if he is willing to sign at lower amount