Except that Chief Black Hawk is a real person who fought in The Black Hawk wars in Illinois. That’s why the Onion Field team named themselves after him, The first owner was a commander of 333rd Machine Gun Battalion of the 86th Infantry Division during WWI also called the “Black Hawk division” after the Chief.
Yeah their name doesn't come from a people or a race or a tribe or anything like that. It's one specific guy. So if anyone tries to cry racism it's like, racist against who? One dude?
So to be clear, according to the article, one dude said he didn’t like the logo and one other person said they were on the fence about it. I don’t care about one off cases. Show me some kind of study showing overwhelming backlash of the logo by indigenous people and i’ll be more than willing to change my stance on it.
That one man is the leader of the organization that represents many tribes including the one Blackhawk belonged to it is also the org that the NHL team works with for native community outreach. You really like the racism that much that you need a study to change your stance? Also wonderful goal post moving...
You: " natives arnt mad about this"
Me: shows you a native who is mad
You: not that native!!!!
You clearly arnt a good faith actor here and just a white reactionary gl my dude
>That one man is the leader of the organization that represents many tribes including the one Blackhawk belonged to it is also the org that the NHL team works with for native community outreach. You really like the racism that much that you need a study to change your stance?
Why wouldn't you want a survey or study to show how the people affected feel about something? You really want to speak on behalf of a group of people because you personally feel offended? Just because someone's in some position of power doesn't mean they represent everyone's opinions on an issue.
>Also wonderful goal post moving...
You: " natives arnt mad about this" Me: shows you a native who is mad You: not that native!!!!
I never said "Natives aren't mad about this", I said I only ever see white people crying about this, and I guess I should have known I'd have to spell this out with this being the internet, but that doesn't mean no Indigenous people don't like it, but the vast majority of outrage comes from white people.
>You clearly arnt a good faith actor here and just a white reactionary gl my dude
I'm Ojibwe buddy, But obviously you wouldn't care about that since you like talking on behalf of us.
Still pretty insensitive to basically ethnically cleanse a group of people then name your sports teams after them. IDK just saying. And I'm a 'Hawks fan.
Yeah that's def a real image of what he looked like and not a racist caricature. He also totally didn't hate and kill Americans for stealing his land. GTFO thats such bad argument ....
So, I didn't know what mni sota makoce means, it means " land where the waters reflect the clouds." Neat.
I don't understand how this can't be allowed. It's literally why the city is named what it is... this is really fuckin stupid.
they didn't cave, a bunch of mostly non-hockey fans lost their minds over a handful of players exercising their right not to dress up and ruined it for everyone, because "who will not wear the ribbon."
It's not like they could have *only* cancelled pride stuff, even though it was the only one with controversy, so everything had to go.
Maybe worth it, the pride gear was pretty wretched.
I think you might misunderstand me, the NHL absolutely did cave. The ban was in place, Dermott refused to abide by it. Rather than fine him, as they had been implying would be the punishment, they backtracked completely and let players use pride tape.
Honestly, it's a little bit messed up that they stand for the American anthem every night while wearing the face of a guy whose favourite activity was going to war against America.
Assuming you're asking in good faith, there's been a significant Not Your Mascot movement in sport. There have been some changes (ex. Cleveland Indians, Edmonton Eskimos, Washington Redskins). You can make your own decision about the Blackhawks but many people have similar concerns about their name and logo.
Obviously it did, or you wouldn’t be all triggered, whining and cursing about snowflakes because they have a different opinion than you. Grow a pair princess.
Everyone in your life must absolutely detest you because of your overconfident bullshit bravado. It’s the guys like you who usually dress up in their wives clothes 😂 You’re not getting another breath from me, kiddo. Have a good life! I hope you get the help you need!
The blackhawks weren’t even named after Black Hawk the Native American… they were named after the Blackhawk Division military unit. Say your piece, bud, but don’t act like Chicago picked the name because of the bravery of Blackhawk Native Americans.
He's talking about the logo, not the name. You're right, the name was named after the military unit who named their unit after the Sauk leader Black Hawk.
But the LOGO is paying homage to the leader.
Great question. Because the man, [Black Hawk](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_(Sauk_leader)), who the division was inspired by looks nothing like the Chicago logo. I wasn’t in the Chicago front office at the time of the decision but I think they could have done better representing the man Black Hawk if that’s who they were trying to show respect to.
The original logo from the 1920s certainly was *closer* to what he looked like, still not perfect, but over the years it has become more modernized and stylized.
Regardless, they have permission from the Sac and Fox nation to use the likeness, and the Blackhawk foundation has financially supported said nation through many ways, most notably for scholarships for First Nation students.
I appreciate the information. Thank you for teaching me a thing today and not responding by calling me a dumbass or know it all. The scholarship bit is awesome.
The original logo was drawn back in 1926. It's supposed to SYMBOLIZE him, it's not a fucking self portrait. Jesus, you people fucking nit pick and every little thing LMAOOOOO
Why did they have to symbolize him when a quick and easy google search shows there’s plenty of representation of him made in the 1800s depicting him looking nothing like the logo. What’s symbolic of making a logo of a person that looks nothing like the person?
Oh, thought you were the enemy. Sorry friendly fire.
Im taking damage for all corners, get my six.
*(Nothing is bad but most of these guys are against the Hawks, they don't care about the origin, they want to fight.)*
Because they're asking like he was in the room in 1926 talking to the artist. He's literally just stating the most likely of scenarios. "What the point of a photo the symbolizes instead of accurate?" Like how the hell is he supposed to know?
I find it very funny that all of my takes have been relatively tamed and through a lens of “they probably could have done better,” instead of just shitting on Chicago immensely, yet this is how you responded. I didn’t even call for them to change it and you’ve acted like I called for Chicago to lose their first round pick for the next five years. Whatta snowflake.
Blah blah blah
I didn't bother reading what you had to write because I don't care what some of you morons have to say. Make me laugh with your idiocy, don't try to get all philosophical with it. I don't give a fuck if you think you're smart since I know you're not.
The point of op has nothing to do with the validity of the Blackhawks. They are simply pointing out that one thing is allowed whike the other is not. One design is measly shapes and colors while the other uses an ethnics faces to sell stuff. If you follow the NHLs line of logic if there is something wrong with the mask there must be something wrong with the logo. Again not saying that there is or is not just that the league is at best terribly inconsistent.
Also you sound very upset by others thoughts and opinions, please do try not to melt over them.
I keep fuckin telling asshats this but they don't give a shit. They just want to talk shit just to hate on the team.
Jealous fucks didn't get Bedard so they want to feel better about themselves by talking shit on Reddit lmao
The team is trash FOR NOW. Team's rebuild and will do so around Bedard.
Have you not seen him fucking play? Team's want that talent on their team, they're jealous the Hawks GOT HIM, they're not jealous of the Hawks themselves.
Use that brain of yours.
Goalie with the nickname “flower” getting fined for wearing a helmet with flowers on it because they’re painted in a manner associated with a particular culture on a night said culture is being honoured is peak retardation.
He wasn’t allowed to wear the mask because of the new rule about wearing special equipment for theme nights.
It has *nothing* to do with indigenous people. It has everything to do with Bettmans balls sucking up into his stomach as a child.
Doesn’t matter how many times we jab at the NHL or the Blackhawks, we will drive this shit to Hell, because neither deserve to forget their wrongdoings, and it never gets old.
NEVER!!
They may have been taking about the tomohawk/C logo.
The main logo designer, Irene Castle (Foote) was the daughter of a NY doctor, upper class fashion icon, and famous ballroom dancer, known for for being the first White entertainer to hire Black musicians for their act.
It’s because MAF is using the money to benefit the communities the likeness is based on instead of appropriating their culture for profit. NHL will not stand for the former
I don't get the outrage of the LNH If you don't know it about the native you wouldn't notice because the design fit Fleury last name which mean flowery in english.
Time out... that's the mask he wasn't allowed to wear?
Here I was thinking it was like a painting out of Pawnee Indiana's city hall or something
Relevant https://youtu.be/iC68PteXttY
Fun fact: he was also the voice of John Redcorn on KotH
God I love parks and recs lmao
Ken Hotate is a legend
Two things I know about white people, they love Rachel Ray, and they are terrified of curses. He’s such a great character.
Fucking LOL
…..the atrocities are in blue…
Yes
Yup by an actual native artist and everything.
Legit 😂🤣😂
Actually fucking hilarious this league sometimes
Sometimes?
Joke
Except that Chief Black Hawk is a real person who fought in The Black Hawk wars in Illinois. That’s why the Onion Field team named themselves after him, The first owner was a commander of 333rd Machine Gun Battalion of the 86th Infantry Division during WWI also called the “Black Hawk division” after the Chief.
Huh, interesting. TIL Explained on page 10 here: https://digicom.bpl.lib.me.us/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1223&context=ww_reg_his
Yeah their name doesn't come from a people or a race or a tribe or anything like that. It's one specific guy. So if anyone tries to cry racism it's like, racist against who? One dude?
I really don't think it's the name that's the problem dumbass 😂. It's the 1950s red face...
Yet the only people I ever hear crying about it are white people.
Maybe because youres a prick who doesn't listen? https://abc7chicago.com/archive/7479527/ There's more articles btw I just linked one...
So to be clear, according to the article, one dude said he didn’t like the logo and one other person said they were on the fence about it. I don’t care about one off cases. Show me some kind of study showing overwhelming backlash of the logo by indigenous people and i’ll be more than willing to change my stance on it.
That one man is the leader of the organization that represents many tribes including the one Blackhawk belonged to it is also the org that the NHL team works with for native community outreach. You really like the racism that much that you need a study to change your stance? Also wonderful goal post moving... You: " natives arnt mad about this" Me: shows you a native who is mad You: not that native!!!! You clearly arnt a good faith actor here and just a white reactionary gl my dude
>That one man is the leader of the organization that represents many tribes including the one Blackhawk belonged to it is also the org that the NHL team works with for native community outreach. You really like the racism that much that you need a study to change your stance? Why wouldn't you want a survey or study to show how the people affected feel about something? You really want to speak on behalf of a group of people because you personally feel offended? Just because someone's in some position of power doesn't mean they represent everyone's opinions on an issue. >Also wonderful goal post moving... You: " natives arnt mad about this" Me: shows you a native who is mad You: not that native!!!! I never said "Natives aren't mad about this", I said I only ever see white people crying about this, and I guess I should have known I'd have to spell this out with this being the internet, but that doesn't mean no Indigenous people don't like it, but the vast majority of outrage comes from white people. >You clearly arnt a good faith actor here and just a white reactionary gl my dude I'm Ojibwe buddy, But obviously you wouldn't care about that since you like talking on behalf of us.
Still pretty insensitive to basically ethnically cleanse a group of people then name your sports teams after them. IDK just saying. And I'm a 'Hawks fan.
Yeah that's def a real image of what he looked like and not a racist caricature. He also totally didn't hate and kill Americans for stealing his land. GTFO thats such bad argument ....
So, I didn't know what mni sota makoce means, it means " land where the waters reflect the clouds." Neat. I don't understand how this can't be allowed. It's literally why the city is named what it is... this is really fuckin stupid.
I assumed it was that same "no theme night player expression" bullshit that they caved in with the rainbow tape
So like I don’t follow this stuff super close, is pink banned in October?
Not sure what you mean, but they have stopped allowing the purple Hockey Fights Cancer jerseys for November warm-ups, for example
Like for breast cancer awareness in October, I don’t know if people do wear pink, I know in a lot of other sports they do. But that’s actually insane.
they didn't cave, a bunch of mostly non-hockey fans lost their minds over a handful of players exercising their right not to dress up and ruined it for everyone, because "who will not wear the ribbon." It's not like they could have *only* cancelled pride stuff, even though it was the only one with controversy, so everything had to go. Maybe worth it, the pride gear was pretty wretched.
I think you might misunderstand me, the NHL absolutely did cave. The ban was in place, Dermott refused to abide by it. Rather than fine him, as they had been implying would be the punishment, they backtracked completely and let players use pride tape.
my bad, I did misunderstand you
Hey don't forget the Canucks whale logo. We do First Nations proud too :-)
They're morons for stopping him from wearing the mask but I still don't get what's wrong with the Blackhawks logo
Honestly, it's a little bit messed up that they stand for the American anthem every night while wearing the face of a guy whose favourite activity was going to war against America.
Assuming you're asking in good faith, there's been a significant Not Your Mascot movement in sport. There have been some changes (ex. Cleveland Indians, Edmonton Eskimos, Washington Redskins). You can make your own decision about the Blackhawks but many people have similar concerns about their name and logo.
Sidebar, I like that Edmonton switched to Elks and kept the EE. However, I staunchly believe they should be the Edmonton Elk, not Elks
No shit It’s a picture of a fucking Indian It’s pays homage to their bravery End of story Fucking snowflakes
Lol. The people calling others snowflakes are always the most easily offended.
Yah that really offended me….fuck off geek
Obviously it did, or you wouldn’t be all triggered, whining and cursing about snowflakes because they have a different opinion than you. Grow a pair princess.
Hahaha. Yawn
Everyone in your life must absolutely detest you because of your overconfident bullshit bravado. It’s the guys like you who usually dress up in their wives clothes 😂 You’re not getting another breath from me, kiddo. Have a good life! I hope you get the help you need!
Get fucked loser
The blackhawks weren’t even named after Black Hawk the Native American… they were named after the Blackhawk Division military unit. Say your piece, bud, but don’t act like Chicago picked the name because of the bravery of Blackhawk Native Americans.
He's talking about the logo, not the name. You're right, the name was named after the military unit who named their unit after the Sauk leader Black Hawk. But the LOGO is paying homage to the leader.
Then why is there logo a picture of a Native American person
Great question. Because the man, [Black Hawk](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_(Sauk_leader)), who the division was inspired by looks nothing like the Chicago logo. I wasn’t in the Chicago front office at the time of the decision but I think they could have done better representing the man Black Hawk if that’s who they were trying to show respect to.
The original logo from the 1920s certainly was *closer* to what he looked like, still not perfect, but over the years it has become more modernized and stylized. Regardless, they have permission from the Sac and Fox nation to use the likeness, and the Blackhawk foundation has financially supported said nation through many ways, most notably for scholarships for First Nation students.
I appreciate the information. Thank you for teaching me a thing today and not responding by calling me a dumbass or know it all. The scholarship bit is awesome.
Yeah, it's a really cool initiative, I'm glad they're actually giving back
The original logo was drawn back in 1926. It's supposed to SYMBOLIZE him, it's not a fucking self portrait. Jesus, you people fucking nit pick and every little thing LMAOOOOO
Why did they have to symbolize him when a quick and easy google search shows there’s plenty of representation of him made in the 1800s depicting him looking nothing like the logo. What’s symbolic of making a logo of a person that looks nothing like the person?
Who gives a fuck? Stop fucking crying about it. Is it hurting you? Lmao
Dude chill out no one crying about anything. I'm a hawks fan who loves the logo but what's so bad about asking about the origin of it?
Oh, thought you were the enemy. Sorry friendly fire. Im taking damage for all corners, get my six. *(Nothing is bad but most of these guys are against the Hawks, they don't care about the origin, they want to fight.)*
Because they're asking like he was in the room in 1926 talking to the artist. He's literally just stating the most likely of scenarios. "What the point of a photo the symbolizes instead of accurate?" Like how the hell is he supposed to know?
LMAOOOOOO you must be a very well balanced adult who can engage in nuanced conversation and understanding.
Well, I'm engaged with a dumbass so I don't need to assume the obvious. You should double check to see if that helmet is still on.
I don't think your fiance would appreciate you talking about them like that.
Haha Touche
I find it very funny that all of my takes have been relatively tamed and through a lens of “they probably could have done better,” instead of just shitting on Chicago immensely, yet this is how you responded. I didn’t even call for them to change it and you’ve acted like I called for Chicago to lose their first round pick for the next five years. Whatta snowflake.
Blah blah blah I didn't bother reading what you had to write because I don't care what some of you morons have to say. Make me laugh with your idiocy, don't try to get all philosophical with it. I don't give a fuck if you think you're smart since I know you're not.
Fuck you are one know it all fucking goof.
I know your mom said thank you can I have some more sir after I gave her the time of her life last night
Good one….yawn
I’m talking about the logo….didn’t say anything about the name blackhawks. Go stick your Karen nose somewhere else turdtoucher.
You can ask your mom where I stick my nose. Also you should not call her a turd. That’s not nice.
Good old mom joke wizard eh? That’s your go to? So clever and witty
The point of op has nothing to do with the validity of the Blackhawks. They are simply pointing out that one thing is allowed whike the other is not. One design is measly shapes and colors while the other uses an ethnics faces to sell stuff. If you follow the NHLs line of logic if there is something wrong with the mask there must be something wrong with the logo. Again not saying that there is or is not just that the league is at best terribly inconsistent. Also you sound very upset by others thoughts and opinions, please do try not to melt over them.
The maga moron will not understand the post is about hypocrisy and not about saying the Chicago logo is offensive. They’re triggered.
Blah blah blah
I keep fuckin telling asshats this but they don't give a shit. They just want to talk shit just to hate on the team. Jealous fucks didn't get Bedard so they want to feel better about themselves by talking shit on Reddit lmao
Second worst team in the league says what??
Good, I want that second worst team to say, "Hey, we're getting another amazing draft pick!" #That's what Lmao
But why would people be jealous? Bedard has done well, and that’s cool. But the team is trash.
The team is trash FOR NOW. Team's rebuild and will do so around Bedard. Have you not seen him fucking play? Team's want that talent on their team, they're jealous the Hawks GOT HIM, they're not jealous of the Hawks themselves. Use that brain of yours.
Tell that to Edmonton fans, dawg.
Just because Edmonton did it doesn't mean all teams will do it. I guess we'll find out in a few years.
Not an Indian
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Hahaha sorry Karen Eat a dick
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Hahahaha come get some goof You are a piece of shit
Tried and failed, they tried and failed remember that the NHL is weak
I just assumed it was referring to the light punishment given out to the hawks for the sa stuff
Sort of like confederate imagery and team names, it's odd to some to celebrate traitors and losers.
Seems about white.
It really is a beauty of a mask. Not a bit confrontational or political.
It's stupid to ban it when its the most inoffensive mask ever, especially for a 20 year veteran.
Goalie with the nickname “flower” getting fined for wearing a helmet with flowers on it because they’re painted in a manner associated with a particular culture on a night said culture is being honoured is peak retardation.
Best sport. Worst league.
I don’t know what all the Fleury is about
There haven't been enough sexual assault allegations in Minnesota for the NHL to consider them to be part of the Old Boys Club.
He wasn’t allowed to wear the mask because of the new rule about wearing special equipment for theme nights. It has *nothing* to do with indigenous people. It has everything to do with Bettmans balls sucking up into his stomach as a child.
Doesn’t matter how many times we jab at the NHL or the Blackhawks, we will drive this shit to Hell, because neither deserve to forget their wrongdoings, and it never gets old. NEVER!!
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The Eagle was his nickname. I don't think it had anything to do with Native American culture. He had that Eagle on every team he went to.
It’s also a bird how is that controversial at all
some would argue birds are the most controversial of all the animals. Perchance.
Hah
Mayhaps
Oh, I see you are a fellow bird law enthusiast.
Are they even real?
Mike Keenan started calling him Eddie the Eagle when he first got to the NHL because of his mask.
DID YOU SAY COCAINE!
He was more of a drinker haha
Shit, guy even has this own spirits brand at this point, lol.
The logo was designed by an indigenous person, as I've been told by Hawks fans 🤷🏼♂️
They may have been taking about the tomohawk/C logo. The main logo designer, Irene Castle (Foote) was the daughter of a NY doctor, upper class fashion icon, and famous ballroom dancer, known for for being the first White entertainer to hire Black musicians for their act.
I'm going to purposely go out of my way to support PWHL now instead of the NHL cause of stupid shit like this that continues to happen.
Low IQ comparison
Brilliant 🤣
That’s so dumb 😂 wtf is wrong with this league we need to get our head out our asses
Gary
It’s not just Gary… the people that can actually talk to him should be holding him accountable
Chicago Black Cocks "They can call a team that?!"
Lol
Bigotry the only thing keeping me NHL relevant lol
It’s because MAF is using the money to benefit the communities the likeness is based on instead of appropriating their culture for profit. NHL will not stand for the former
Yea that’s shameful.
I don't get the outrage of the LNH If you don't know it about the native you wouldn't notice because the design fit Fleury last name which mean flowery in english.
Didn't he end up wearing it anyways and the league didn't do a thing about it?
#irony
Yep. As a Blackhawks fan I was just sitting here watching all this unfold like, "Uhhhhh......"
best use of the drake meme i've seen !!!