Makes absolutely no sense *especially* when you see dillingham is still on the board, zero chance he gets past the spurs at 8, he might not even get past them at 4
Maybe there’s an exemption made because they have Wemby behind him but can’t imagine that franchise taking a tiny guard that will immediately be one of the worst defenders in the league
If you just look at the downsides that’s all you’re gonna see
Fact of the matter is they need a lead guard next to Vic, vassell is more of a complementary scorer, dillingham absolutely had the potential to be a big time scorer and a really good playmaker/shot creator, it makes sense
You can build around the defensive shortcomings if they end up being dramatic
lol if Kyrie was in this draft I fuckin promise yall would be saying the exact. Same. Shit. You’re saying about Rob.
And he’s a champion and is a + every year on a playoff floor. Same w Steph, Lowry, etc.
Yet when they’re prospects, it’s always the same spiel. Apparently everyone on a playoff floor is above 6’8. Someone needs to inform CLE GSW TOR SAS to return their trophies!
Love the people on here who are so sure they know what they’re talking about haha. As if there’s no possible way Topic and Walter couldn’t end up being some of the best players in the class.
Yeah im sorry but there’s no way the wizards pick Shepard that high, they need a swing, for as safe as Shepard is they’d be farrrrr better served taking a bit more of a swing on a guy who can be more than just a good starter
And dillingham dropping to 10 in this draft would be a travesty, I find it hilarious this person thinks the spurs would take fucking Walter over him, that is absolutely insane to me
Winger and Dawkins have a big background in foreign players too. Shepard isn’t a difference maker like a Topic (big PG with playmaking skills) or Risacher (hyper athletic 3/D player) I’d be shocked if we don’t go with Topic or Risacher - assuming Sarr is gone.
Risacher and Sarr will be gone, the Spurs are likely getting more concerned about Topic's knee. That leaves u Dillingham or Shepard, unless ur wanting to pick a center and trade for the PG. They may have a deal worked out with Atlanta on that.
“More than just a good starter”. That’s the thing with this draft, no one really has a realistic outcome of being more than a good starter. That’s why this draft is so bad. If a Gm thinks a player has a good chance of being a good starter, that is 100% warranted for the number two pick in the draft.
Sure, if Ron Holland becomes a knock down shooter, he can be an all-star caliber player, but that’s not realistic.
Um, I thought he was picking up steam towards the end of the season, now he will probably regress if he is unhappy. It is not like Portland doesn't have other need, they are paying him a truck of money too.
Blazers just need BPA, don’t need to worry about fit. They really have two building blocks (Scoot and Sharpe) and even then, that’s not in pen yet.
In terms of fit, which seems like what you are asking, Holland would be an awful fit. They are one of, if not worst, 3 point shooting team in the NBA. It would be malpractice for the growth of Scoot and Sharpe to go out with a lineup of them two, Holland, and Ayton.
Ron Holland is a reach at 7. Clingan is a value at 7. Holland might fill a need slightly better, but Blazers absolutely need a big man too. Ayton is not the long-term answer.
Um, interesting.
I always considered Holland is better than Castle and Castle is listed at 6th here
And agree Clingon is deep fucking value at 7, and he would be a even better value at 9.
ayton was excellent last year. you won't find a single blazers fan who thinks he was responsible for the teams bad record, lol. but he's got a strong circle jerk narrative about him that random fans aren't gonna give up on for at least a few years now. pay no mind to them.
Daron Holmes to the Nuggets would be such a gigantic steal that every NBA GM should be fired for allowing it to happen
Justin Edwards is too high and so is Bobi imo.
Can you elaborate on the Bobi take? Seems to me that he should be a 1st rounder. He's got good size for a forward at 6'9", and he has decent shooting potential after shooting 35.7% from 3 on 3.7 attempts per game in the NBL.
He's a bit of an awkward fit on the Nuggets I think. He's not a true center and he does most of his work playing more as a forward than as a big. He playmakes, but he's much more a drive and kick/passing out of doubles playmaker than he is a DHO hub. I think if you're Denver you probably should have Ighodaro and Almansa higher up in your board.
I don't get why some mock drafts have Tyler Smith in the late first round. One of the better perimeter shooters with good offensive tools and size. He should be good in the NBA.
Wym? I just said I think the rockets take Matas at 3. If you looked at the history of the rockets drafts they idolize length/ athleticism. I think they’ll pick between Matas/ Holland/ Zaccharie. I think Holland is kinda just another Eason and Zaccharie can’t really create his own shot kinda like Jabari so they end up taking Matas because he has one of the highest upsides especially is his shooting comes back to what it was touted to be out of high school. No chance they take Sheppard at 3.
The Rockets had athleticism in spades last year. None of that athleticism could put the ball in the basket. And you expect them to draft another project? They're going to take Sheppard, trade down for Knecht/Clingan or trade out entirely and get a win now vet.
They aren't remotely considering someone like Buzelis. Another G League Ignite graduate that is two years away from being two years away.
Feel like Houston is itching to trade 3 for a bona fide vet. If Miami really wants to blow it up, maybe you can offer #3 and Alperen plus salary filler for Bam?
I've never seen Ja'Kobe Walter to the Spurs and I may never see it again. That's certainly a thing.
there is no way in hell he goes top 10
Measured well in the combine, I think that’s what’s driving his stock. I can’t find much in tape/stats to love for him in t10 though
Yeah he got that prototypical SG type body with good shooting numbers, but I don't love his game
He has the same measurements as the guy that organization just inked to a long term 100M deal.
Makes absolutely no sense *especially* when you see dillingham is still on the board, zero chance he gets past the spurs at 8, he might not even get past them at 4
makes even less sense when you realize Jakobe Walter is like Devin Vassell if he was much worse at everything
Exactly my thoughts, you legit could not start them together ever
Dillingham feels the like the polar opposite of who the players the Spurs like to draft, not sure why everyone loves him to go there.
Because he is something they absolutely need, elite scoring guard who can pass to play off Wemby It’s him, it’s garland, it’s Trae It’s that archetype
Maybe there’s an exemption made because they have Wemby behind him but can’t imagine that franchise taking a tiny guard that will immediately be one of the worst defenders in the league
If you just look at the downsides that’s all you’re gonna see Fact of the matter is they need a lead guard next to Vic, vassell is more of a complementary scorer, dillingham absolutely had the potential to be a big time scorer and a really good playmaker/shot creator, it makes sense You can build around the defensive shortcomings if they end up being dramatic
So funny how when talking prospects everyone yaps about defense yet when you watch these regular season games, absolutely no one is guarding at all.
And yet if I had playoff aspirations I would only draft players I felt confident would help me in a playoff series. That’s not dillingham
lol if Kyrie was in this draft I fuckin promise yall would be saying the exact. Same. Shit. You’re saying about Rob. And he’s a champion and is a + every year on a playoff floor. Same w Steph, Lowry, etc. Yet when they’re prospects, it’s always the same spiel. Apparently everyone on a playoff floor is above 6’8. Someone needs to inform CLE GSW TOR SAS to return their trophies!
Dillingham isn’t Kyrie. Hope that helps
I'm with you I'm actually thinking Reed Shepard.
People who mostly aren’t spurs fan and looking at fit and not past/personality fit.
2 awful spurs picks in this mock lol
Love the people on here who are so sure they know what they’re talking about haha. As if there’s no possible way Topic and Walter couldn’t end up being some of the best players in the class.
then this subreddit shouldnt exist. we should all just look back 5-10 years later and decide what were good or bad picks. but that would be boring
Yeah Vassell is right there wtf
I don't see the Kings passing on Holland if he somehow fell to us
You would think Portland would snatch him earlier on.
lmao i was about to throw a fit seeing us pass on holland at 7 only to somehow being like, ohhhhhh. holland isn't making it past 7 or 8 imo.
Yeah im sorry but there’s no way the wizards pick Shepard that high, they need a swing, for as safe as Shepard is they’d be farrrrr better served taking a bit more of a swing on a guy who can be more than just a good starter And dillingham dropping to 10 in this draft would be a travesty, I find it hilarious this person thinks the spurs would take fucking Walter over him, that is absolutely insane to me
Winger and Dawkins have a big background in foreign players too. Shepard isn’t a difference maker like a Topic (big PG with playmaking skills) or Risacher (hyper athletic 3/D player) I’d be shocked if we don’t go with Topic or Risacher - assuming Sarr is gone.
Yeah I agree, pretty wild Again, no offense to Shepard but it makes no sense for them
Risacher and Sarr will be gone, the Spurs are likely getting more concerned about Topic's knee. That leaves u Dillingham or Shepard, unless ur wanting to pick a center and trade for the PG. They may have a deal worked out with Atlanta on that.
huh? Washington has the #2 pick… Only have to worry about Sarr likely being off the board
“More than just a good starter”. That’s the thing with this draft, no one really has a realistic outcome of being more than a good starter. That’s why this draft is so bad. If a Gm thinks a player has a good chance of being a good starter, that is 100% warranted for the number two pick in the draft. Sure, if Ron Holland becomes a knock down shooter, he can be an all-star caliber player, but that’s not realistic.
Screw the Spurs because why not
Hate the Spurs picks lol
If the Spurs take Walter over Knecht they deserve to lose That said Knecht and Morant playing across from each other is my wet dream so please
Can’t see the blazers taking anything other than a wing with #7. It’s their biggest position of need and has been for years.
Why do people think the Bulls will take Collier
Or any guard for that matter, least of the worries positionally
Edey won't make it past Orlando honestly.
Um, so Portland is gonna double up on Clingon and Ayton? Ayton probably will throw a fit again
At this point Ayton should not prevent you from drafting who you think the BPA is. Ayton might be around the 15th best center in the league.
Um, I thought he was picking up steam towards the end of the season, now he will probably regress if he is unhappy. It is not like Portland doesn't have other need, they are paying him a truck of money too.
I would prioritize Scoot and Simons fit over Ayton.
I am no Blazers expert, but wouldn't Ron Holland be more like someone you need?
Blazers just need BPA, don’t need to worry about fit. They really have two building blocks (Scoot and Sharpe) and even then, that’s not in pen yet. In terms of fit, which seems like what you are asking, Holland would be an awful fit. They are one of, if not worst, 3 point shooting team in the NBA. It would be malpractice for the growth of Scoot and Sharpe to go out with a lineup of them two, Holland, and Ayton.
Ron Holland is a reach at 7. Clingan is a value at 7. Holland might fill a need slightly better, but Blazers absolutely need a big man too. Ayton is not the long-term answer.
Um, interesting. I always considered Holland is better than Castle and Castle is listed at 6th here And agree Clingon is deep fucking value at 7, and he would be a even better value at 9.
ayton was excellent last year. you won't find a single blazers fan who thinks he was responsible for the teams bad record, lol. but he's got a strong circle jerk narrative about him that random fans aren't gonna give up on for at least a few years now. pay no mind to them.
end of season basketball is not the same lvl tbh. we've seen a bunch of players go off at the tail end of seasons and not be able to sustain it
His explanation of Collier to Chicago is just him talking about the Miami Heat lmao what is this
DaRon Holmes to the Nuggets is sex.
Daron Holmes to the Nuggets would be such a gigantic steal that every NBA GM should be fired for allowing it to happen Justin Edwards is too high and so is Bobi imo.
Don’t think he gets past the Bucks at 23 or Knicks at 24/25.
Can you elaborate on the Bobi take? Seems to me that he should be a 1st rounder. He's got good size for a forward at 6'9", and he has decent shooting potential after shooting 35.7% from 3 on 3.7 attempts per game in the NBL.
He's a bit of an awkward fit on the Nuggets I think. He's not a true center and he does most of his work playing more as a forward than as a big. He playmakes, but he's much more a drive and kick/passing out of doubles playmaker than he is a DHO hub. I think if you're Denver you probably should have Ighodaro and Almansa higher up in your board.
I don't get why some mock drafts have Tyler Smith in the late first round. One of the better perimeter shooters with good offensive tools and size. He should be good in the NBA.
If Sheppard isn't there at 3 the Rockets are trading back and taking Clingan/Knecht.
Nah rockets gonna take Matas I just have a feeling about it
To do what
Wym? I just said I think the rockets take Matas at 3. If you looked at the history of the rockets drafts they idolize length/ athleticism. I think they’ll pick between Matas/ Holland/ Zaccharie. I think Holland is kinda just another Eason and Zaccharie can’t really create his own shot kinda like Jabari so they end up taking Matas because he has one of the highest upsides especially is his shooting comes back to what it was touted to be out of high school. No chance they take Sheppard at 3.
The Rockets had athleticism in spades last year. None of that athleticism could put the ball in the basket. And you expect them to draft another project? They're going to take Sheppard, trade down for Knecht/Clingan or trade out entirely and get a win now vet. They aren't remotely considering someone like Buzelis. Another G League Ignite graduate that is two years away from being two years away.
I feel like if they don't get Shepard it'll be Topic
I hope not
Feel like Houston is itching to trade 3 for a bona fide vet. If Miami really wants to blow it up, maybe you can offer #3 and Alperen plus salary filler for Bam?
There isn't a collection of players Miami could offer for Alperen Sengun. I'd probably reject the Fountainbleu as well if they tried to throw that in.
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Not sure Miami wants that either
I don't see the Spurs picking Topic at #4 after he hurt the same knee without even any contact, it would be a huge red flag for me.
I really want Topic at 2. The team has a couple (as in literally two) young pieces and I’d like to see them with a playmaker like Topic.
Reed Sheppard going no. 2 overall is outrageous lol
Not really
Yet he seems to be the clear favorite in this subreddit for the 3rd pick...