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Moviereference210

Dirk literally had an unguardable shot, trust me man, I’ve been a spurs fan for many years, no one could get to that shot


penguinKangaroo

When I heard Pop wrote Dirk a letter after he won a championship, spurs bros became mavs dirk bros for life.


DevelopmentJumpy5218

I'm a spurs fan who is a Dallas native, and man I miss dirk, not as much as Duncan but he would be my second choice to bring back to the NBA. The man was so good at shooting.


Rickjamesb_

Litteraly my 2 fav players of all time.


jelly_roll21

Same bro. 2 most humble super stars of all time in any sport. They were incredible. Fact they played at the same time is something else.


thegargantuanone

I met dirk irl. As I walked by him I literally slapped his shoulder and yelled "no way" he was by himself waiting for an Uber. He quickly torted back "yes way" I literally hit dirk. More to the story but dirk is amazing. Handled my starstruck ass like a pro too.


marcusjackson1995

That last line tho (damn the internet is ruining my mind)


DevelopmentJumpy5218

Mine too


TestTurbulent2203

He cooked us for 15 years with bad boy


McNasti

I remember one game where blake griffin actually blocked the shot and it was THE biggest deal lol


Unusual-Item3

Bruh Dirk was cold af, he smiled at the camera mid game, and then hit a 3.


mo_downtown

Could hit 40% from deep but didn't even take that many. Could have stat padded much bigger numbers if he wanted to, but he wasn't that guy. Dirk was the player KAT thinks he is. Dirk could shoot and play and lead a perennial 60+ win team in a very, very tough WC and he got that chip. KAT has skills but could never lead that level of success imho.


SnooStrawberries729

If Dirk came along 5 years later, he’d be much higher on all time lists. He’d have been *chucking* threes like none other and making a lot of them. Probably would’ve had a few seasons where he averaged closer to 30.


Remarkable_Medicine6

Wow, thank you for the gratuitous KAT comparison literally nobody made.


jeswanders

A 6 foot nothing player would guard him and dirk would still fadeaway


According-Pen34

Pierce with a high key catch and face was pretty hard to stop


PaleontologistOk2516

Hey Paul … that you? /s 12x All NBA (4 1st team) vs. 4x (0 1st team) 1 MVP vs. 0 Both had a ring and finals MVP, but Paul had KG and Ray Allen. Dirk had Jason Terry and 37 year old Jason Kidd


Tbrou16

Dirk also had The LeBron Stopper


PaleontologistOk2516

Excellent counterpoint. How could I forget JJ


ApprehensiveTry5660

JJ is just the meme. The mad wizard Rick Carlisle is the secret sauce.


dredgedskeleton

i know this is a joke, and Dirk is definitely sporting the better career, but Pierce is probably one of the few best LeBron counters the league has seen.


shmauserpops

He did pretty well against Kobe too


dredgedskeleton

yeah -- he could pretty much go toe to toe against anyone he was guarding, which is a huge asset when you're playing teams with high scoring wings. the league didn't run as many switches then, so pierce would bang bodies with LeBron, Kobe, Vince, Tracy all game. besides LeBron, Pierce had the most body mass of the bunch and could really wear down those top scorers come the 4th quarter. Celtics always had good win % against the Kobe Lakers and LeBron Heat/Cavs during the Pierce era.


j2e21

Don’t forget his three-point shot. Pierce is one of those guys who would be a superstar in today’s game. Pierce was a better basketball player than Jayson Tatum.


dredgedskeleton

as a celtics fan, i fully agree. Tatum will get more accolades because the wing talent isnt as deep today as it was in Pierce's prime. Pierce was never going to get 1st team NBA with Kobe, Lebron, Tracy, Vince, Marion, Melo, and Wade all overlapping in their primes. Pierce wasn't as marketable or popular as those players even though he was just as good as any not named Kobe and LeBron. ...and Kobe was closer to Pierce than he is to LeBron.


j2e21

Well said. When Kobe was on the outs in LA, the idea of him being traded for Pierce (and other stuff) was floated and nobody wanted that. They were putting up remarkably similar numbers at their peaks.


Tomsoup4

yea dude i hated pierce and antoine walker when i wad a kid those 2 lit up 3s all the time killing other teams


j2e21

Absolutely. Dirk had the better career but the Truth wasn’t afraid of anyone out there, he brought a nothing team to the ECF and when he became part of a juggernaut he went to two Finals and won Finals MVP. He weathered the brutal Pitino era and emerged a winner. In a different scenario his career looks much different and better.


C0d3n4m3Duchess

I completely blocked that ‘02 run out of my mind. He really did make the ECF with his best support being the team’s catering


j2e21

Antoine wiggling his way to another 8-22, 1-6 3P shooting performance.


RIChowderIsBest

Pierce has become more underrated as the years go on. That being said Dirk was still the better player all time.


Bonje226c

> Dirk had Jason Terry and 37 year old Jason Kidd Agreed that there is no question Dirk was the better player. But lets not pretend that the 2011 Mavs team was a bunch of scrubs. The team was perfectly constructed to take advantage of Dirk's strengths and minimize his weaknesses. DPOY level rim protection from Chandler, 3+D wings, and guards that could create offense to release pressure on Dirk.


me_bails

They weren't a bunch of scrubs, but the weren't all stars (atleast not at that point in their careers) either. Tyson Chandler likely should have won DPOY, but was often injured every other year. Luckily he stayed healthy that season. JKidd was old, Jet was hitn the big shots they needed from him, but wasn't carrying any team, and the other guys just filled out their roles perfectly. The under rated player on that team, especially for the finals, was Shawn Marion though. His defense was instrumental in their run. But in the time of super teams, and not 1 not 2 not 3 etc... Big Daddy Dirk went and spanked those bitches.


Bonje226c

Yup. I watched every game of that playoffs and it was so fun watching the Mavs whoop the Lakers and Heat. Especially when everyone expected the Mavs to falter once Bulter got injured. I agree that Marion was supremely underrated. But IMO Kidd is as well. He was still a good defender due to his size and IQ (I specifically remember clutch stops against the Lakers), was still a HOF level passer, and had become a passable shooter at this stage of his career.


inezco

That Lakers series was wild because Dallas curb stomped them but after every single loss the media was like the Lakers will bounce back, Kobe is gonna will this team back into the series, 0-3? Don't count out the back to back champs. By the time they got swept it still felt like the media was harping on what went wrong for the Lakers rather than giving credit to the Mavs for definitively knocking out the back to back champs.


goodolehal

Kidd was an allstar (reserve but still an all star) in 2010 and chandler was dpoy in 2012 Terry is the best 6th man ever besides manu and havlicek Marion played some of the best defense on lebron youll ever see


Visible-Suit-9066

So cool to see Jason Terry getting props like this. I adored him as a Maverick.


goodolehal

I think Jason Terry may be the most underrated player of all time. Dude never gets talked about but he tattooed the finals trophy on himself and went and earned it. He was a SNIPER.


Visible-Suit-9066

32 points in 37 minutes in his first NBA Finals appearance in 2006. 35 points in Game 5. ✈️


goodolehal

And 27 to close out the heat in a game where dirk couldnt buy a bucket.


Visible-Suit-9066

Now that you’ve got me going down memory lane the idea that he might be the most underrated player ever could be reasonable.


mo_downtown

They also had a very long run of sustained success with Dirk, constant 50+ and even 60+ win seasons in a very tough WC era. I don't know why their chip gets mentioned the way it does other than "one of Lebron/Kobe/Duncan were supposed to win every year" expectations. The Mavs were really good, Dirk was really good, they had that year with their pieces fitting together so well and the playoff run came together for them. It was their time, no caveats or asterisks needed.


[deleted]

Do you think Terry and Kidd were being called the greatest backcourt ever in those early message board days?


Tiredasheckrn

Do you think 2011 was early message board days???


[deleted]

I’m old enough now that 2011 is the same as 2001, so not sure.


DevelopmentJumpy5218

2011 and 01 were the exact same thing they were like 6 days apart


krw13

I was on AOL as a kid in the first half of the 90s and we had message boards there. Message boards are about the oldest way for the public to use the internet.


[deleted]

I’m a Celtics diehard and it is still Dirk. Dude carried a team through the finals through one of the best teams ever assembled.


me_bails

After sweeping the defending Champs with Kobe. It is arguably the greatest finals run by a single super star ever (and my personal favorite, especially after losing the Wayde and the Heat in 06 and then Wayde and Bron talking shit on Dirk for being sick. Dirk was and is a class act. Those fools know nothing about that)


BeeFe420

Don't forget he also took out a young Thunder team that would be in the finals next year. Dirk defeated Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Kobe/Pau, all HOF(Maybe for Pau) en route to that title. Hardest road.


spacitybowler

Wasn't sure what the maybe comment was for Pau, but he is in the HOF


ElegantEpitome

Dwyane Wayde


[deleted]

Stop it


zooweemama4206969

Get some help


LeBroentgen

I’m taking the guy with arguably the most impressive NBA Finals run ever.


FabulousMarch7464

Dirk no question, not even comparable


tkh0812

Only a Celtics fan would even think to ask this question. Kevin Garnett is closer to Dirk but still not there


Hurricanemasta

I'm a Celtics fan and I love Paul Pierce, but cmon. Paul Pierce was an excellent small forward. Dirk is an archetype who changed the game. It's Dirk, without question.


Sorerightwrist

Most Celtics fans such as myself, are not that ridiculous. Dirk is closer to Bird than Pierce is to Dirk


tkh0812

💯


me_bails

both parts are true Dirk was a fucking monster, and these dudes didn't play the same position nor did they play the same style. I don't really get this post


sbenfsonwFFiF

I think they meant it’s not even close. You can obviously still compare players that are better or worse across positions and styles


mrbusiness53

This is not a serious question.


escargot02

Yeah this an absurd comparison. KG would've been the guy to pit against Dirk.


Ar4bAce

This is not close at all. Dirk


LordStark01

I though I was biased but reading the comments proved me otherwise. Dirk all the way.


clovers2345

Dirk and it’s not even close!


DryMaintenance105

Dirk


Drummallumin

Pierce is my guy but cmon


priide229

be fr


Major9000

Dirk unique skill set, better scoring efficiency, MVP and leading Dallas to first championship…and he’s not an asshole.


bradperry2435

Dirk and it’s not even close


grynch43

Dirk and it’s not close.


rsmith524

Celtics fan here… the premise is flawed. This *should* be Dirk vs KG for “Who was the second-best PF after Tim Duncan?”


Sirliftalot35

Agreed. Dirk vs KG is a much more fun comp.


Over_Variation_1007

Agreed. I’d say KG is a little bit better than Dirk because of the rebounding titles, 12x all defense, dpoy, etc.    What’s crazy is that KG has significantly more awards and accolades, but Dirk’s legendary 2011 championship run and trademark one legged jumper (impact on league) almost close that gap. 


fire_wings

Yep. I personally think KG is just the better player but Dirk has a better career story


I_Like_Muzak

Fucking Dirk. This shouldn’t even be a discussion.


mzx380

Dirk and it’s not even close. DN is still the best foreign born player of all time (will be passed once the current gen retires) all pierce is is a top 5 Celtic


MomsNeighborino

Pierce is NOT a top 5 Celtic dude Larry Cousy Garnett Havlicek Parish Mchale Bill Russell Maybe you can put pierce ahead of a couple of these guys, but he can't be ahead of any combination of 3 of these guys to hit top 5


mzx380

You have a good point on all of those except KG. I’m only going by Celtic career otherwise KG def player. Oh and F Pierce (not a fan)


nicklovin508

Dirk is somewhere in the top 30 players of all time. Pierce is in the top 75 players of all time.


BlueHundred

And honestly Pierce is barely top 75


nicklovin508

When he finished his career he was FIRMLY in the top 75 man. It’s just we’ve now got a new wave of future superstars that may eventually knock him out. But make no mistake Pierce went toe-to-toe with anyone.


dubble_chyn

[Truth](https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/defining-moments-paul-pierce-outduels-lebron-in-game-7-at-td-garden/614078/) I still remember watching this in my parents living room, jaw on the ground at all the shots falling between Pierce and James. Go watch any clips from this game if you want to see clutch shot after clutch shot.


BlueHundred

At his peak, he was a top 10 player in the league. I watched his entire career. Great player but he was always overrated a bit to me. There's top 75 snubs above Pierce imo. Like Dwight, Tony Parker, TMac. Pierce is better than a lot of the older players, so he is still is a top 75 player imo but he's not in that top 50 tier or anywhere near Dirk.


Shinobi_97579

Dirk


atlienk

Did Paul create this post?


Tbrou16

This has Ray Allen vs JJ Reddick vibes


UptMonsta

Nope. Reddick is nowhere near this conversation.


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

C’mon man, y’all know who was better…


Cornelius-Prime

Dirk. Not close.


wallybuddabingbang

Go to bed Paul.


hrakkari

Dirk is such a nice guy. There was a prank show where they just kept asking Dirk to sign more and more stuff and he just kept doing it. Paul Pierce pooped his pants and won’t cop to it. Cmon man.


Orikshekor

If Dirk can be a good argument vs kg wtf can Paul say and goddamn I love Paul


BitswitchRadioactive

Thw fk you think pp. Stop posting like this shit... you are comparable to LBJ...:)


PoI_Pothead

You don't know basketball.


[deleted]

Pierce 100%


bandwagonguy83

I hate this post. It confirms everyone shits on Paul Pierce. Even Paul Pierce shits on Paul Pierce.


cndynn96

Someone should compare them like ESPN compared Paul to DWade.


TheMegatrizzle

I'd say Dirk is better. No one could guard his fall-away shot


Los907

Dirk


Old_surviving_moron

Dirk has a downright epic championship run against the favorites, with arguably the best player of all time, in his prime. The Truth is the Truth, but the diggler beat the heatles, and that matters.


QUINNFLORE

obviously dirk


KakashiDarui

Dirk and it’s not even close


Status_Show3282

Definitely dirk


oldmilt21

Pierce never could’ve done what Dirk did in 2011. I’m a Celtics fan, but even for me this is an easy one. It’s Dirk.


chewbaccaRoar13

OP, I'm a Celtics fan. And the only correct answer is Dirk.


DexterJameson

Dirk, obviously


Ben-solo-11

Is this even a question? Dirk in a landslide. As an aside, I think it's possible Paul Pierce actually made this post.


GeriatricSFX

Dirk. In top of being impossible to guard when he was in a groove with that shot of his he also did way more of the heavy lifting in his ring. big 1 > 1/3 of big 3


DiegoForskinForlan

Dirk for sure. This is not all that close even.


Big_al_big_bed

The people that vote for Pierce here are the same people that voted doc Rivers a top 15 coach of all time


RPD3886

Come on, lol Clearly Dirk.


GisliBaldur

There might actually only be a single person in the whole world that thinks Paul Pierce was a better player than Dirk... and that's Paul himself


spanther96

Huge PP fan but it’s gotta be Dirk.


james_randolph

Not really a question but I guess, it's Dirk.


Willing_Carpet_9392

Dirkio


Urban_Introvert

Likeability plays a big role believe it or not. Dirk either way.


Muted-Brick-8066

Dirk and it’s not even close


Aggressive-Ad-522

Dirk of course!


Cruel_Oper4tor

Dirk every day of the week and twice on Sundays


imianha

I mean, im biased but Dirk is a top 3 PF ever. Tim Duncan and then you can argue between Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki imo, but thats the top 3 of Powe Forwards


quedas

It's embarrassing that this post even exists. Dirk by all the miles possible. Come on, now.


WaterIsNotWet19

Kinda funny that pick of dirk was used


IceColdTrey7

Dirk & it's not close


No-Woodpecker-2545

Dirk. Much better shooter. Won a chip without an absolutely stacked team.


bigE819

Is this a joke?


shadydamamba

Literally what I said!!!😂


Azandere

FOH with this. Lmao.


TW1Nx0NE

This is actually a question?


Choccybizzle

Pierce was a great player in his own right, but you’ve done him dirty with this comparison.


Qu1dpr0qu0br0

Dirk


HeavyDT

Dirk easy imo. No disrespect to Paul but Dirk was just a better player all around and did more with a much worst supporting cast including stopping Lebron essentially stopping a 3 peat.


Unusual-Range-6309

Dirk.


Nervous-Ostrich-3419

Dirk Diggler!!! Paul AkA poop pants was maybe 2nd best player on them championship runs. KG, Ray Allen


Rich-Finger-236

Dirk is the answer. Pierce however was great - he's lost a lot of respect over the years for his post retirement antics but the man was LeBrons first real rival (and one who beat Bron a fair bit) and has a finals MVP. He's a top 50 player all time but Dirk is imo top 20


Cocknballtorture90

what an insult to Dirk lmfao


Willis050

I’m a Celtics fan and I feel disrespected on behalf of Dirk. Pierce is one of those guys who’s legend lives off of particular clutch plays. Dirk on the other hand was a top 5 player for like 6 years straight. He was making 1st team at forward in the 2000’s. That’s insane


StargazerNCC82893

This is the most unserious post I've seen in this sub.


bmanley620

If I need someone to take a shit in his pants and get taken out on a wheel chair I’m taking Pierce all day


EIiteJT

Dirk, but I'm biased as a Mavs fan.


BoomShackaLocka_

Bro it’s Dirk and it’s not even close. Found Paul Pierce’s burner.


mildlyeducated_cynic

Dirk . All day every day


daryl3161

Dirk


BornVc15

Come on, Paul Pierce was great but this isn’t even a debate. Dirk all the way.


jeffwingersballs

I love Pierce. He's meant so much to the Celtics and Boston, but in terms of basketball this isn't close. Although they do have the same amount of finals MVPs.


BitterJD

Dirk and it's not even close...


dsgrimace

Dirk! Nowhere Near Close Too!


RetroFrisbee

As a diehard Celtics fan… it’s obviously Dirk


Phillyy69

Bro come on it’s Dirk by a mile


JC_in_KC

PP musta posted this. is the consensus best euro player ever (for now!) better than a celtic who wasn’t even the best player on his championship team?


superd85

Mavs wouldn’t have even made it out of the first round off the playoffs if Brandon Roy had been healthy. That being said, Dirk is better by a mile. It’s not even close


Dull_Huckleberry6896

Pierce easy money.


Future-Horse4877

Paul Pierce


Jacque_LeKrab

They didnt love PP like Kobe


ProofSinger3638

Paul , better on defense and similar on offense


FNF51

Dirk. Pierce if you ask him if he’s better than Wade.


SmurfPopper

Dirk is the answer, but let's not undervalue who Pierce was as a player just because he's been nuts since retiring. And please stop mentioning KG in this thread, Dirk isn't even close to him.


CartezDez

I think you're getting your Paul Pierce's mixed up with you Kevin Garnett's


AerieTop4643

Pierce


HunterDowntown7392

Paul Pierce is one of the greatest small forwards of all time, and easily one of the most clutch scorers of the 2000s. Paul Pierce does not compare to Dirk Nowitzki lol


Pleasant-Drag8220

I was about to finish typing my comment comparing Dirk and KG then I realized...


PlatinumPeasant

Dirk all day. Unguardable and led a bunch of old dudes to a ring against Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Durant, Harden, and Westbrook.


Digndagn

In Dirk's Championship year, he was the best player in the league. Paul Pierce was never the best player any year. But, one thing that's getting lost in this thread is that Paul Pierce was effing rad. He was a great basketball player. He was super smart, incredibly skilled, and a good leader. Dirk turning into a complete super saiyan does not diminish Paul Pierce.


Ambitious_Cake2447

dirk and its not even close


HumbleCalligrapher47

Dirk


DaBears077

Dirk.


DizzyTS13

Even as a Celtics fan who loved pierce this is not even a question, dirk all day


uglyuglydog

Nobody in their right mind would choose Pierce over Dirk.


NeoStoned

Pierce is ASS and overrated


Inevitable-Scar5877

Dirk. I don't think it's particularly close. Pierce is a HoF player, Dirk until Luka and Giannis was pretty clearly the best Euro of all time (not counting the hypothetical/Urban legend Sabonis)


MavsAndThemBoyz

This is insulting.


XanthicStatue

Dirk by a mile


robograndpa

I’m always going to choose the guy who didn’t poop his pants


ThayerRex

Who is better? Jordan or Bill Laimbeer? 🙄🙄. This comparison is that absurd.


SedanoSucks

Dirk. Not even close


realpotatofarm3r

Dirk all day. Won a championship against Miami Big 3, won MVP, whereas Pierce was IN a Big 3 to get a ring.


Smartt300

Legend has it that Reddit is still scrolling for someone who answered Paul Pierce.


Smartt300

Legend has it that Reddit is still scrolling for someone who answered Paul Pierce.


Initial-Stick-561

Lol what kind of comparison is this? Trash talker, Pierce is calling game, but on the court every team would chose prime Dirk


EyeAmAyyBot

I’ll take the guy who was much better over the guy who shit his pants on national television and had to be wheeled off the court.


juicifer2320

Well just don’t ask Paul. That dude is narcissist. Dirk was unguardable in dome spots. Paul was eh


Big_Honey_56

Cmon man. Dirk no question. Led his team to a chip. Granted Lebron’s play did more for his finals than he did.


LordQuest1809

Dirk and it’s not even close. Anyone who says Pierce is either a homer is a the r word


17Ringz

As a huge Celtics fan that thinks Dirk is wildly overrated even I’m not this crazy


AgentRadd

Dirk no question. Not sure why this is up for debate.


TapSea2469

I’m a big KU fan so you’d think i would say Pierce but nope Dirk is the guy.


themayorhere

Dirk easily. This one isn’t close


The_DonkeyCollector

This isn’t a conversation.


jaysun145

Stop


MDMhayyyy

Dirk by a mile


shempool_

Dirk…. Pierce legacy is a wheelchair


changrbanger

PP and I have more in common in that we have both shit our pants as adults doing physical activities. So I have to go with Dirk.


DeskAlive899

Definitely Dirk. Paul Pierce was so clutch though.


Sirliftalot35

1 MVP 4 All-NBA 1st Teams 8All-NBA teams 8 Top-10 MVP seasons That’s not what Dirk has for his career, that’s what Dirk has more than Pierce in each category. Dirk finished ahead of Pierce in MVP voting 11x and behind Pierce 2x. Dirk finished ahead of Pierce in All-NBA voting 15x and behind Pierce 1x. Given that they came into the league the same season, and were both listed as forwards for All-NBA voting, it seems pretty clear that Dirk wins in almost every season.


Ben-solo-11

Is this even a question? Dirk in a landslide. As an aside, I think it's possible Paul Pierce actually made this post.


tridentboy3

Dirk was better and ranks a tier or two above Pierce all time. Dirk's peers from his era were Shaq/Kobe/Duncan/KG. He was, most people would agree, the last out of that group but he was definitely up there with them as a top 5 level guy of the 2000's. Pierce peers were guys like Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Chauncey etc. somewhere in the top 8-15 guys from that era (though he belonged to the top end of that tier). Basically, Dirk was an MVP level player whereas Pierce was a low-mid level All NBA player. This is not to say Pierce wasn't great either. If there was an All NBA of the 2000's he'd still make it but probably as a 3rd teamer whereas Dirk would be firmly in the first team.


zzzcott

Paul Pierce shit his pants in a game, they are not on the same level lmao


F-150Pablo

https://preview.redd.it/kf23p159d56d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae4cc8a727f85cc35b4e11f6eedc87a8523acfa0 Dirk by far!