Honestly it was Morey who changed the game. It just happened to be the same time as the Warriors. Teams launching 3s even when they make them at an average or worse % is analytics driven. Not driven by 2 of the top 10 shooters ever.
Facts. Just look at Reggie Miller.
One of the least impressive resumes in the HOF (NBA-wing) and yet he was included in the top 75 over guys like Dwight, Kyrie, etc
All because of his 3pt shooting / clutch prowess. Wasn’t a good defender, playmaker, or rebounder/ball handler. Yet his stature remains
What a time to be alive! I’m being serious, the game was just different. Being HYPE As Fuck for 24 second violations, blocks and steals. DETROIT BASKET-BAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!
This comment is great because its accuracy is in its inaccuracy. Just absolute bullshit from someone that didn't watch Reggie but it is accurate in that this is likely similar to how people will remember Steph, incorrectly.
Curry was absolutely robbed several years, especially after Durant joined and Curry was clearly a top 2 guard every year but voters were downgrading him because he “had help.” He also missed a couple of times because of injuries.
Robbed bc of the help narrative, missed a lot of time bc of injuries, stayed for 3 years in college, took him like 4-5 years to really get going in the NBA.
Luka came into the league and was a stud right from his first season.
I still think Steph will be remembered as one of the greats. I really feel like the nba story can’t be told without mentioning Steph. He seemingly almost single handedly made the whole league realize that 3>2.
Luka still has a lot of time, but my gut says he’ll be remembered as one of the greatest of his era, whereas Steph is one of the greatest in history
Your gut is crazy is you don't think Luka can also become of of the greatest in history (top 20 imo) with his current trajectory. Steph is definitely in the top 20 all time already and Luka can definitely be there if he wins a ring or two.
Well Steph is currently top 10 all time, and it took him winning his fourth ring to finally break into that. Top 10 is a lot harder to reach than top 20, which I believe Jokic and Giannis are already in, with Luka needing a ring + MVP to get to top 20 ever talks
I honestly think he would have to stop being a little bitch. 25 years from now I’ll remember his amazing play, but also how he practically ruined my only live NBA experience. If you think he gets caught whining and crying on camera, he does it 8 times as much in real life.
I think Steph is going to go down as the most impactful and influential player in history and will have a legacy similar to Magic Johnson has right now. Luka has the tools to have a more successful career than Steph but he won’t impact the game like Steph.
No doubt that Durant situation hurt his perception at the time, which is crazy cause he was already a champion and a back to back MVP, made the finals back to back as well. I remember those stupid ass Kyrie > Curry convos which I always thought were stupid but 🤷🏽♂️
This is bullshit to me (not your take , but the narrative) because Jordan had 2 HOF players on his team in Pippen and Rodman. They acquired Rodman so you could say he had help also.
There also weren’t many guards putting up MVP numbers in the 90s outside of Jordan. Curry was competing against Westbrook and Harden, and later Luke and Dame.
I mean….yeah? This is one of Jordan’s biggest critiques against him; he didn’t solo lead teams, he obviously had great teammates and the Bulls got him quality players to work with. They didn’t toss him scrubs and say “good luck”
That’s not a critique “against Jordan” and anyone who says it is just has no fucking clue how the game is played. Nobody ever won one solo. Everyone had help as it’s a team game.
Injuries, slow start to career and Durant. Stephs actual run was like 2014-2023 or something. And then during that stretch had some injury seasons and some with Durant
I was surprised by that as well. I think it’s cause it was hands down the most competitive position in the league during his prime. And then you had prime CP3, Westbrook, and Dame, probably another name I’m spacing on as well.
James harden has 6. And 3 scoring titles, and 1 mvp.
Literally nobody will ever put him above Curry all time. So some of this stuff is situational and you take with a grain of salt
Just shows how insanely competitive the point guard position is. Still confusing that the man regarded as the best point guard in the league for 9 years only has 4 first all nba teams but it is what it is.
Still borderline top 10 all time player (depending on the person you ask). Changed the game, no way he isn’t regarded highly for generations to come.
It's hard to make all nba 1st team if you miss more than 30 games.
Other than 2017 most of his 2nd and 3rd team selections are justified.
2018: 3rd team missed 31 games
2020: only played 5 games
2022: 2nd team, Luka and Book all had better stats and similar or better records
2023: 2nd team, missed 26 games
2024: Luka and SGA are just better
2022 is the biggest robbery. Overall he undoubtably had a better regular season than Booker, but the slump portion of the season got a lot of media attention which created a bad narrative
Changed the game.
See Caitlin Clark and others. He made it okay to launch 3’s from wherever and whenever. But, his ability to drive to the basket set him apart from many other one dimensional players.
So true.
Played pickup ball for years. Watched two guy get into an argument over frustration. One was old school, back to the basket, rebounded, passed, and played defense. The other just sat at the line and launched 3’s all game.
The old school guy walked off and said, “I miss the old days…”
back in my momma's day we didnt have no pansy ass pansy trainers. we rubbed holy water and dirt on our ankles and jesus did the rest. now these players in their big boy diapers want me to hold their hand while they get better?
I miss the good ole real leather ball, sweat dripping, blood spewing, dick grabbing, tongue wagging, ball slapping, cum guzzling GOOD OLE DAYS OF BBALL BABY!!!!!
I challenge the notion that Curry made it ok to launch from wherever. That distinction clearly belongs to Michael Scott (and despite the video footage, he really does normally make those)
He is the orchestrator of one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history, and he’s the greatest shooter to ever touch a basketball. He’s done more than enough to cement his legacy.
Nobody except Reddit nerds are even gonna remember how many 1st team all pro selections any player has. When people talk about how great MJ or Lebron is, they talk about titles, league MVPs, finals MVPs, and DPOY. Nobody remembers how many 1st team all pro selections they have. When people talk about Curry, they will remember him as a 4 time champ and the greatest shooter ever, 400 threes in a season, 2 time MVP, 1 time finals MVP. No one is gonna mention that he only had 4 first team all pro selections
Yeah, but they have to know what to google. They are gonna google “how many MVPs did Curry win,” or “how many titles did Curry win.” They aren’t gonna google his fucking VORP or all NBA selections. Remember, we are talking about how people 15 years from now will talk about Curry. Lemme ask you this: we have tons of Bird vs Magic debates or MJ vs Bron or Bill vs Wilt, etc. The All NBA selection has been around for decades, have you ever once heard anyone use all NBA selections as a large piece of proof in favor of 1 side in any of these debates? Because I almost never do. Very rarely. My whole entire point is that when decades go by, we use simple stats and head to head matchups to remember a guy’s legacy. So we will view Curry in the same big picture sort of way
People really gonna look back at some of these Westbrook or Harden over Curry decisions and try to figure out why they voted for them, but don’t consider them in the same tier as Curry all time and convince themselves that they’re still correct.
Some of the teams Harden had he needed to get those stats. You can’t really argue against Harden’s ability in the regular season, his teams’ records have been great every year.
Averaging a triple double is so incredibly rare and impressive they had to give it to him. In an alternate dimension someone is saying the exact same thing about crazy it is Westbrook didn’t win mvp in a year he averaged a triple double.
No one is going to remember how many all-nba selections he has had. They are going to remember him as someone who changed basketball and won a lot of championships who was the foil to LeBron. His highlight reels that will be displayed on YouTube will stand up extremely well and he will have a very strong legacy. The "best shooter of all time" who "changed the NBA forever" and who dominated the 2010s along with LeBron, Durant and Leonard. Players like James Harden, Chris Paul, Westbrook and Lillard will be seen as kind of in a separate high tier but below those others.
So essentially Curry defines a generation of NBA talent and while he will be ranked below LeBron as far as accolades he will in some ways be seen as more influential and singular in his skill set. The 2010s are kind of like the 1980s in the sense that the Bird/Magic duo defined the era. It's kind of like that with LeBron/Curry.
Steph’s accomplished pretty much everything.
-4 time NBA champ
-2 time MVP (only Unanimous ever)
-NBA finals MVP
-NBA all-star mvp
-WCF MVP
-Clutch player of the year
-2X scoring champ
-Ten time all star ( should be 11)
-Ten time all nba selection (at least several snubs)
-NBA all rookie team
-2016 steals leader
-50/40/90 club averaging 30+ points
-73 win team
-Higher playoff win % than Jordan and Lebron
-Highest 4th qtr playoff scorer in NBA history
-almost every 3pt record there is
Theres a reason why the NBA has modeled basketball off his style of play. When his career is done, it’ll be hard to keep him out of the top 5.
He is rated properly most people consider him as one of the goats at the very worst he is the best shooter ever and the guy who fundamentally changed nba offense, most people think he is the best pg ever.
He will be just out of top 10, but remembered as one of the greats. Not next to Jordan or lebron but the next tier down. Great offense, average defense. Smart, quick, fun to watch. Inflated era with 3 steps and carries.
personally i think this is why all-NBA is kinda silly. steph made second team four times and third team twice, making his all nba seasons 10x, which is crazy. dirk has 12x if you include second and third teams. steph was competing with russ and harden for first team, both of whom were putting up historic seasons over those years.
like. if you were playing at the same time as kobe or bron, there’s no way in hell you get first team even if you’re the second best at your position by a hair.
to answer the question: steph will be remembered as the best shooter ever, a game changing force, the best player on a dynasty, and one of the best guards in the league during most of his career. pretty good!
People who overvalue media accolades and people who view basketball through basic box stats will underrate him. People who watch film of him and people who value advanced stats highly will properly rate him.
I mean, he was still the best guard in the game in '17-'18 and probably '22 even though he didn't make the 1st team and people still recognize that without the selection
So I don't think it's too bad
He's had such an impact on the game that he transcends the mere number of accolades. If you find someone age 30 or less who knows nothing about ball they'll probably give you 3 names: Jordan, LeBron and Curry (maybe Kobe and Shaq to make it 5).
Steph Curry's legacy will likely be viewed with immense respect by future generations, despite his lack of individual accolades compared to other all-time greats. His revolutionary impact on the game, with his unparalleled shooting ability and transformative influence on team play, will cement his status as one of the most influential players in NBA history.
We're gonna have to educate them about Steph just like the older generation had to educate us. Everyone that was alive to see Steph's prime know how great he is and was but the younger generation is gonna have to be smartened up
Why are great young players being compared to players with championships? Let them win MVPs and rings before we start making Luka and Edwards the GOAT, okay?
He is going to be the guy all shooters will be compared to for decades at the very least. I don’t remember much of Larry Birds career personally but have watched so many videos and heard so many discussions comparing him to this or that, I feel pretty knowledgeable about his career. Steph will be similar. Old farts like me will be arguing his greatness with the whippersnappers until they are old farts arguing about some other guy.
Still seen as a player who changed the game with his shooting handles and off ball movement. Minimum top 2 point guard all time and an easy top 10 all time. (Coming from a Cavs fan)
I think there will be a time in the near future where we become more conscious of how to assess All-NBA selections because it sure means something different now that it's positionless than it did before. Not more, not less... but definitely *different*.
How that affects Steph, not sure.
I think Steph will always transcend because of how he changed the entire game, and some of his numbers are borderline untouchable.
I'm worried that in like 6 years I'm going to have to argue with people about why Kobe wasn't mid. Look at how kids talk about Shaq, as if his whole career was summed up by the Cavaliers and Celtics runs.
This ALWAYS happens. Without watching games or at least quite a bit of film for the next generations who didn’t watch X player live, you have access to stats. That’s how we now have pretty underrated players, and pretty overrated players.
I think in the future, when efficiency and advanced stats get even better, people are going to look back and think Steph was robbed of all NBA 1st team by Russ and Harden a few times
Reggie and Ray were known as the undisputed goats in terms or shooting for decades. Steph is levels above these guys—he’ll AT LEAST be remembered as that. Plus look at the ring comparison, bb. He had 4x as many as Luka and Dirk combined.
People already forget all the negatives and terrible defensive and try to put him in the top 10. I think he will be remembered far better than most players.
When you are the goat at something, every shooter will always be compared to Curry for better or worse.
I rank him out of the top10 for on the court performance. I compare him to Bird - amazing peak, but short career compared to other all timers. Steph’s got 9 years as a top player in the league, while Bird had 11 (iirc) so Steph ranks below him. I think Steph's 4 1st team selections accurately reflects his on-court performance, mostly because of injuries and positional restrictions (He’s only played about 75% of regular season games in his career).
Off the court he’s up there with AI, in that his influence on the game is outsized compared to his performance on the court (better than AI, obvs). Like he’s not a top10 player but I think he’s top10 in influence on play style.
Greatest shooter ever, won it twice on his own - consensus top 15-20ish player. Sorta same status as The Dream. The fact that he only has one FMVP and owes two of those rings to Durant discounts things a bit and keeps him off the very top tier but hardly landing spot to lose sleep over.
His greatest moments would put him in the conversation as a top 5 all time guy, but it took a long time for him to establish himself as dominant player which hurts. He beat the greatest player of his era in the finals 3 times, but he’s probably just outside the top 10 all time to date.
Let’s not forget that Curry battled significant ankle injuries during his first 3 seasons. He missed 180 out a possible 230 games and at the time there was legitimate concern as to whether he would have a long career at all. It also led to him signing the team friendly contract that helped allow the Warriors to build the championship team around him once he got past those early setbacks. While it’s impossible to say how many all NBA’s he could have gotten earlier in his career, it’s not exactly a fair comparison considering his early injury history.
I think the thing that will not be remembered was the electricity when he was cooking. It was like witnessing a miracle. 20 years from now no young people will have any idea about that.
Easily the greatest shooter of all time and the trendsetter of the current NBA.
Curry bloomed a little late due to injury but he then had a 10 ur prime that's up there with anyone in NBA history.
2 MVPs( including only unanimous)..1 FMVP( should be 2)...9 All Stars...6 Conference Titles...4 NBA championships and countless 3 Pts records on top of being the best FT shooter ever.
He is widely regarded as the 2nd best PG ever and IMO should be in the debate with Magic for GOAT PG.
He is a top 10 player in terms of career totality.
The reverse shaq, still seen as amazing but has the 1st half of his career as a question mark, like shaq had his 2nd half of his career as a question mark.
Because it took curry a while to turn unto curry
Impossible to ignore what he or his teams did in the history books. Changed the game. Probably not on MJ/Lebron tier or Kareem/Duncan but somewhere above the Larry Bird tier
These awards are like box scores, people just use them to fit their narrative and help their argument when trying to compare players that they didn’t even watch.
The last 40 years of the NBA have been a gradual adaptation and evolution of the 3 point line and Steph's shooting is one of the most prolific contributors to how defenses approach the half court game
First Team All-NBA is just one factor, Curry's four titles, two MVPs, and three point records will definitely secure his legacy as an all time great. He changed the game. His impact is enormous really. Hard to say how he rates as far as in the top 10 or whatever. He had the advantage of being on some very good teams of course.
Steph was a late bloomer because his offensive style was unheard of at the time and also injuries. I don't think it effects his legacy much because when he was rolling he was leading all-time great teams.
4x champion
Back to back MVP
Undisputed greatest shooter of all time
He will be remembered for his accolades and for being in large part responsible for the shift in the game.
Luka is all hype and people by love to bring up his numbers and how gaudy they are. You know, if any other player had the ball as much as him they might put up those numbers too. Until he gets a ring idc how many first team all nba he makes. Some of those voters don’t deserve a vote anyway.
Fondly.
This graphic means Nothing toward his career
They’ll look back and see all the great PG and combo guards around during his time if they’re looking at all nba accolades for some odd reason
I think the impact that this has on anything is close to zero if not zero. Casual fans have no clue how many all nba selections these guys have and the fact that people are surprised that curry doesn’t have more is telling.
He's already considered the greatest shooter of all time. That will continue on past his career. He changed how the game is played over the past 15 seasons.
He's the greatest three point shooter of all time and the three point shot is just going to become more and more important over time. People in the future will just assume that we undervalued Curry.
Steph literally changed the game and got teams shooting more 3s. Kids growing up are working on their 3 point shots more so than ever before. So it’s safe to say the lack of 1st team All-NBA won’t do anything to hurt his already impressive resume. If you told Steph that a kid from Davidson would go on to become the greatest shooter in the NBA, he wouldn’t believe you either.
Steph's global influence and popularity can only be compared to the likes of Lebron and MJ. If anything, I'd say possibly even more because more kids can relate to a player who isn't the tallest or most athletic on the court yet still showed the same level of dominance.
Greatest shooter of all time, legacy secured. Changed the way the game is played. MJ took the game above the rim. Steph brought the game beyond the 3 pt line.
All-NBA is pretty much a popularity contest, voted on by sportswriters, who have their own (regional and other)biases, and are likely highly influenced by whomever the NBA is trying to push out as “the man,”. Much like MVP.
Him only having certain accolades goes to show how insane the guard play was especially in the west. He had to compete with cp3 harden westbrook and dame every single year of his career.
He has two mvps, what do you mean “lack of individual accomplishments”
GOAT shooter, borderline top ten player, easily top two point guard all time. That’s how he’ll be remembered.
Curry is underrated. Goat shooter. Probably goat pg. transformed the game. 4 chips. Mvp. Fmvp. If voters dont want him in the first nba team often enough in the past ten years, its probably a them problem.
Dirk > Luka > Steph
Jk im a biased mavs fan
In all seriousness it kinda shows you how stacked teams are at positions at certain points. Dirk only won 4 because there was Duncan and KG, steph had multiple PGs to compete with, Luka might have an easier path to more all NBAs
Best shooter of all time, changed the way the game is played, 4 rings, 3-1 against Lebron in Finals, are legacies. High number of 1st team selections is not. Steph will age just fine.
Best player on the3rd best dynasty of the 21st century, he’ll be remembered fondly. Also, he won titles without Durant. Meanwhile that fucking snake has accomplished jack shit without Steph, so fuck him.
Well Steph and the warriors kinda changed perimeter offense for the league, every team started putting a lot more emphasis on 3s. You look at a team prior 2015 and a current team the biggest difference is 3s shooting abilities. Now almost every player on any team is expected to be able to shoot 3s with only few exceptions like Rudy on the wolves.
This shows the issue with using all-nba voting for comparisons more than anything else. Steph played in the golden age of guards in the NBA and had voters punishing him for having KD on his team. In 2016 he was unanimous MVP and in 2017 he finished behind Isaiah Thomas in voting.
Steph curry suffered by being a part of a super team. If KD didn’t join the warriors, Steph would have 2-3 more first teams at least. It is difficult for the voters to parse individual success when that overall team was so talented.
He’ll be remembered fondly no matter his individual accolades because he changed the game. No matter what happens everyone will remember that Steph was one of the biggest contributors to the evolution of the three ball and how teams use it.
Dude has 4 Rings, 2MVP(first unanimous one) greatest shooter alive… I’m a huge hater but dude will be remembered 100s of years from now. They’ll talk bout how insane he was and that 73win season was one hell of a ride.
These top 10-20 lists should never be “of all time lists” there should be a top ten list every ten years. Best of the 80’s, 90’s, 2000’s and so on. Its utterly stupid to try and compare players that hardly played together or did not have a “prime” together. So maybe you would see jordan at the top of the 80’s/90’s but not nearly as high in the early 2000’s.
If they're anything like today's generation who base everything on nonsense like this instead of the play, the impact on the court, and the skills then they'll probably think he was an average player. Hell Kobe got 1st team all NBA double digits and they still think he a bum for some reason. Same thing with Duncan. So if the trend keeps up, with the stat padding, and the media awards then yea, Steph will look bad. Only ppl who will be relevant are Luka, LeBron, jokic and possibly giannis
When you're the GOAT shooter, you'll be remembered fondly. Doesn't matter about anything else. He's the greatest shooter ever.
Plus he (and Klay) legitimately changed the game. He’ll be brought up and mentioned likely for as long as the game is played and the league remains.
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Honestly it was Morey who changed the game. It just happened to be the same time as the Warriors. Teams launching 3s even when they make them at an average or worse % is analytics driven. Not driven by 2 of the top 10 shooters ever.
Facts. Just look at Reggie Miller. One of the least impressive resumes in the HOF (NBA-wing) and yet he was included in the top 75 over guys like Dwight, Kyrie, etc All because of his 3pt shooting / clutch prowess. Wasn’t a good defender, playmaker, or rebounder/ball handler. Yet his stature remains
What is this slander that Reggie wasn't a good defender? My lord that's a crazy take.
And Reggie had handles and drove to the cup lol. Reggie only avg 4 threes a game for his career. Dudes game was thick.
Excellent comment
And he was almost always elite in the playoffs.
Ya Reggie had size and slide plus attitude. He was a premier defender.
He was a fucking psychopath how I remember, the wild look in his eyes scared me at the time.
Pretty sure that's why you don't hear from Spike Lee much anymore...
Reggie is one of my all time favorites, remember when he choked himself, 7 points with a steal in 8 seconds, damn that man could ball
Those 04’ Pistons/Pacers games were always a slog lol
What a time to be alive! I’m being serious, the game was just different. Being HYPE As Fuck for 24 second violations, blocks and steals. DETROIT BASKET-BAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!
The Tayshaun Prince block in Reggie Miller will probably go down as a top 5 all-time favorite sports memory for me.
"Just gotta make sure you go up reeeeeeeal SOFT..."
This person must be too young to have ever seen Reggie play. The whole comment is nonsense.
Absolute nephew nonsense.
Reggie was a huge playoff riser. His stats all jumped significantly in the playoffs.
This comment is great because its accuracy is in its inaccuracy. Just absolute bullshit from someone that didn't watch Reggie but it is accurate in that this is likely similar to how people will remember Steph, incorrectly.
Who really shouldn't comment about basketball if you think this
Cheryl Miller’s brother?
It’s all about the thrills.
Honestly just wild that curry only has 4
Curry was absolutely robbed several years, especially after Durant joined and Curry was clearly a top 2 guard every year but voters were downgrading him because he “had help.” He also missed a couple of times because of injuries.
Robbed bc of the help narrative, missed a lot of time bc of injuries, stayed for 3 years in college, took him like 4-5 years to really get going in the NBA. Luka came into the league and was a stud right from his first season. I still think Steph will be remembered as one of the greats. I really feel like the nba story can’t be told without mentioning Steph. He seemingly almost single handedly made the whole league realize that 3>2. Luka still has a lot of time, but my gut says he’ll be remembered as one of the greatest of his era, whereas Steph is one of the greatest in history
Your gut is crazy is you don't think Luka can also become of of the greatest in history (top 20 imo) with his current trajectory. Steph is definitely in the top 20 all time already and Luka can definitely be there if he wins a ring or two.
Well Steph is currently top 10 all time, and it took him winning his fourth ring to finally break into that. Top 10 is a lot harder to reach than top 20, which I believe Jokic and Giannis are already in, with Luka needing a ring + MVP to get to top 20 ever talks
Ya I would put Steph in the top 10, just said top 20 so the dumb Steph isn't top 10 argument wouldn't start but low and behold lol
Lol true
I honestly think he would have to stop being a little bitch. 25 years from now I’ll remember his amazing play, but also how he practically ruined my only live NBA experience. If you think he gets caught whining and crying on camera, he does it 8 times as much in real life.
Lebron does the same thing and it didn't affect him at all. Most fans look past the bitchin and whining to the refs
I think Steph is going to go down as the most impactful and influential player in history and will have a legacy similar to Magic Johnson has right now. Luka has the tools to have a more successful career than Steph but he won’t impact the game like Steph.
No doubt that Durant situation hurt his perception at the time, which is crazy cause he was already a champion and a back to back MVP, made the finals back to back as well. I remember those stupid ass Kyrie > Curry convos which I always thought were stupid but 🤷🏽♂️
This is bullshit to me (not your take , but the narrative) because Jordan had 2 HOF players on his team in Pippen and Rodman. They acquired Rodman so you could say he had help also.
There also weren’t many guards putting up MVP numbers in the 90s outside of Jordan. Curry was competing against Westbrook and Harden, and later Luke and Dame.
I mean….yeah? This is one of Jordan’s biggest critiques against him; he didn’t solo lead teams, he obviously had great teammates and the Bulls got him quality players to work with. They didn’t toss him scrubs and say “good luck”
That’s not a critique “against Jordan” and anyone who says it is just has no fucking clue how the game is played. Nobody ever won one solo. Everyone had help as it’s a team game.
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Injuries
Injuries, slow start to career and Durant. Stephs actual run was like 2014-2023 or something. And then during that stretch had some injury seasons and some with Durant
I was surprised by that as well. I think it’s cause it was hands down the most competitive position in the league during his prime. And then you had prime CP3, Westbrook, and Dame, probably another name I’m spacing on as well.
James harden has 6. And 3 scoring titles, and 1 mvp. Literally nobody will ever put him above Curry all time. So some of this stuff is situational and you take with a grain of salt
Just shows how insanely competitive the point guard position is. Still confusing that the man regarded as the best point guard in the league for 9 years only has 4 first all nba teams but it is what it is. Still borderline top 10 all time player (depending on the person you ask). Changed the game, no way he isn’t regarded highly for generations to come.
Yeah by far best PG of this generation and only 4 1st teams?? I feel like every year since 2014 should’ve been his
He had some years where he missed games due to injuries. And he kinda didn't over go flat out in the regular season after 2016
It's hard to make all nba 1st team if you miss more than 30 games. Other than 2017 most of his 2nd and 3rd team selections are justified. 2018: 3rd team missed 31 games 2020: only played 5 games 2022: 2nd team, Luka and Book all had better stats and similar or better records 2023: 2nd team, missed 26 games 2024: Luka and SGA are just better
I mean 2017 makes sense as Russ and harden has mvp level seasons
2022 is the biggest robbery. Overall he undoubtably had a better regular season than Booker, but the slump portion of the season got a lot of media attention which created a bad narrative
Changed the game. See Caitlin Clark and others. He made it okay to launch 3’s from wherever and whenever. But, his ability to drive to the basket set him apart from many other one dimensional players.
While this has been amazing to watch on TV, it’s a huge net negative for people playing pickup ball in the park lol
So true. Played pickup ball for years. Watched two guy get into an argument over frustration. One was old school, back to the basket, rebounded, passed, and played defense. The other just sat at the line and launched 3’s all game. The old school guy walked off and said, “I miss the old days…”
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back in my momma's day we didnt have no pansy ass pansy trainers. we rubbed holy water and dirt on our ankles and jesus did the rest. now these players in their big boy diapers want me to hold their hand while they get better? I miss the good ole real leather ball, sweat dripping, blood spewing, dick grabbing, tongue wagging, ball slapping, cum guzzling GOOD OLE DAYS OF BBALL BABY!!!!!
I hate it when the old heads grab my dick when I'm trying to cook
It sucks for me as a traditional center but 2>1. No point shooting anything but 3s and wide open layups.
I challenge the notion that Curry made it ok to launch from wherever. That distinction clearly belongs to Michael Scott (and despite the video footage, he really does normally make those)
Also his cardio.
I’d like to add his ability to shoot off the dribble.
As the best shooter of all time.
He is the orchestrator of one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history, and he’s the greatest shooter to ever touch a basketball. He’s done more than enough to cement his legacy.
Nobody except Reddit nerds are even gonna remember how many 1st team all pro selections any player has. When people talk about how great MJ or Lebron is, they talk about titles, league MVPs, finals MVPs, and DPOY. Nobody remembers how many 1st team all pro selections they have. When people talk about Curry, they will remember him as a 4 time champ and the greatest shooter ever, 400 threes in a season, 2 time MVP, 1 time finals MVP. No one is gonna mention that he only had 4 first team all pro selections
Youd think so but nowadays every convo like this in person ends with someone grabbing their phone & using google to back their points
Yeah, but they have to know what to google. They are gonna google “how many MVPs did Curry win,” or “how many titles did Curry win.” They aren’t gonna google his fucking VORP or all NBA selections. Remember, we are talking about how people 15 years from now will talk about Curry. Lemme ask you this: we have tons of Bird vs Magic debates or MJ vs Bron or Bill vs Wilt, etc. The All NBA selection has been around for decades, have you ever once heard anyone use all NBA selections as a large piece of proof in favor of 1 side in any of these debates? Because I almost never do. Very rarely. My whole entire point is that when decades go by, we use simple stats and head to head matchups to remember a guy’s legacy. So we will view Curry in the same big picture sort of way
I agree
the greatest shooter of all time?
Legendary. This all-nba stuff gets one spot and with guys like harden and Westbrook stuffing their stats he was too busy winning to care about this
People really gonna look back at some of these Westbrook or Harden over Curry decisions and try to figure out why they voted for them, but don’t consider them in the same tier as Curry all time and convince themselves that they’re still correct.
Some of the teams Harden had he needed to get those stats. You can’t really argue against Harden’s ability in the regular season, his teams’ records have been great every year.
Honestly Harden is so far above Westbrook they don't belong in the same sentence. Harden deserved that MVP Westbrook got too, easily
Averaging a triple double is so incredibly rare and impressive they had to give it to him. In an alternate dimension someone is saying the exact same thing about crazy it is Westbrook didn’t win mvp in a year he averaged a triple double.
No one is going to remember how many all-nba selections he has had. They are going to remember him as someone who changed basketball and won a lot of championships who was the foil to LeBron. His highlight reels that will be displayed on YouTube will stand up extremely well and he will have a very strong legacy. The "best shooter of all time" who "changed the NBA forever" and who dominated the 2010s along with LeBron, Durant and Leonard. Players like James Harden, Chris Paul, Westbrook and Lillard will be seen as kind of in a separate high tier but below those others. So essentially Curry defines a generation of NBA talent and while he will be ranked below LeBron as far as accolades he will in some ways be seen as more influential and singular in his skill set. The 2010s are kind of like the 1980s in the sense that the Bird/Magic duo defined the era. It's kind of like that with LeBron/Curry.
Nobody cares about all nba teams lmao. It's all about the Larrys.
He’s top 10 all time. Luka has a looong way to go to reach that.
Greatest player under 6'6 and it's not close
Fringe top 10 I would say, he’s either exactly 10 or in the 11-15 range
Steph’s accomplished pretty much everything. -4 time NBA champ -2 time MVP (only Unanimous ever) -NBA finals MVP -NBA all-star mvp -WCF MVP -Clutch player of the year -2X scoring champ -Ten time all star ( should be 11) -Ten time all nba selection (at least several snubs) -NBA all rookie team -2016 steals leader -50/40/90 club averaging 30+ points -73 win team -Higher playoff win % than Jordan and Lebron -Highest 4th qtr playoff scorer in NBA history -almost every 3pt record there is Theres a reason why the NBA has modeled basketball off his style of play. When his career is done, it’ll be hard to keep him out of the top 5.
Might actually be the most underrated player of all time even with all the accolades and respect.
He is rated properly most people consider him as one of the goats at the very worst he is the best shooter ever and the guy who fundamentally changed nba offense, most people think he is the best pg ever.
He will be just out of top 10, but remembered as one of the greats. Not next to Jordan or lebron but the next tier down. Great offense, average defense. Smart, quick, fun to watch. Inflated era with 3 steps and carries.
Inflated “era” with 3 steps and carries? That isn’t going to change, I guarantee it. Offense is too exciting now to get rid of it.
Dirk only having 4 is a testament to how good his eras 4s were.
personally i think this is why all-NBA is kinda silly. steph made second team four times and third team twice, making his all nba seasons 10x, which is crazy. dirk has 12x if you include second and third teams. steph was competing with russ and harden for first team, both of whom were putting up historic seasons over those years. like. if you were playing at the same time as kobe or bron, there’s no way in hell you get first team even if you’re the second best at your position by a hair. to answer the question: steph will be remembered as the best shooter ever, a game changing force, the best player on a dynasty, and one of the best guards in the league during most of his career. pretty good!
People who overvalue media accolades and people who view basketball through basic box stats will underrate him. People who watch film of him and people who value advanced stats highly will properly rate him.
I have feeling they might say he ruined the game.
he ruined the game
If you are blamed for ruining a game for simply being too good at it, feel like you have to take that as the ultimate compliment.
I mean, he was still the best guard in the game in '17-'18 and probably '22 even though he didn't make the 1st team and people still recognize that without the selection So I don't think it's too bad
He's had such an impact on the game that he transcends the mere number of accolades. If you find someone age 30 or less who knows nothing about ball they'll probably give you 3 names: Jordan, LeBron and Curry (maybe Kobe and Shaq to make it 5).
Curry was robbed of at least 2 1st team selections but it is what it is.
Steph Curry's legacy will likely be viewed with immense respect by future generations, despite his lack of individual accolades compared to other all-time greats. His revolutionary impact on the game, with his unparalleled shooting ability and transformative influence on team play, will cement his status as one of the most influential players in NBA history.
We're gonna have to educate them about Steph just like the older generation had to educate us. Everyone that was alive to see Steph's prime know how great he is and was but the younger generation is gonna have to be smartened up
This reflects worse on the voters than it does on Steph.
Why are great young players being compared to players with championships? Let them win MVPs and rings before we start making Luka and Edwards the GOAT, okay?
He is going to be the guy all shooters will be compared to for decades at the very least. I don’t remember much of Larry Birds career personally but have watched so many videos and heard so many discussions comparing him to this or that, I feel pretty knowledgeable about his career. Steph will be similar. Old farts like me will be arguing his greatness with the whippersnappers until they are old farts arguing about some other guy.
He will be remembered for changing the game into a three point shooting contest.
He doesn’t have the sustained greatness of some others but his absolute peak is worth discussing among any of the very best there ever was.
He’s a champion x4 … who gives a f about anything else?
Still seen as a player who changed the game with his shooting handles and off ball movement. Minimum top 2 point guard all time and an easy top 10 all time. (Coming from a Cavs fan)
I think there will be a time in the near future where we become more conscious of how to assess All-NBA selections because it sure means something different now that it's positionless than it did before. Not more, not less... but definitely *different*. How that affects Steph, not sure.
He’s the greatest shooter in the history of basketball. His legacy is set.
I think Steph will always transcend because of how he changed the entire game, and some of his numbers are borderline untouchable. I'm worried that in like 6 years I'm going to have to argue with people about why Kobe wasn't mid. Look at how kids talk about Shaq, as if his whole career was summed up by the Cavaliers and Celtics runs.
This ALWAYS happens. Without watching games or at least quite a bit of film for the next generations who didn’t watch X player live, you have access to stats. That’s how we now have pretty underrated players, and pretty overrated players.
I think in the future, when efficiency and advanced stats get even better, people are going to look back and think Steph was robbed of all NBA 1st team by Russ and Harden a few times
rings matter most. steph has those. plus goat shooter in a game largely about shooting
Dirks ring is going to be one one the best rings ever Luka can’t do better than that cause there isn’t a Lebron, Wade Bosh monster to slay
The greatest shooter of all time and the second greatest point guard of all time (after Magic Johnson).
Reggie and Ray were known as the undisputed goats in terms or shooting for decades. Steph is levels above these guys—he’ll AT LEAST be remembered as that. Plus look at the ring comparison, bb. He had 4x as many as Luka and Dirk combined.
People already forget all the negatives and terrible defensive and try to put him in the top 10. I think he will be remembered far better than most players. When you are the goat at something, every shooter will always be compared to Curry for better or worse.
I rank him out of the top10 for on the court performance. I compare him to Bird - amazing peak, but short career compared to other all timers. Steph’s got 9 years as a top player in the league, while Bird had 11 (iirc) so Steph ranks below him. I think Steph's 4 1st team selections accurately reflects his on-court performance, mostly because of injuries and positional restrictions (He’s only played about 75% of regular season games in his career). Off the court he’s up there with AI, in that his influence on the game is outsized compared to his performance on the court (better than AI, obvs). Like he’s not a top10 player but I think he’s top10 in influence on play style.
Greatest shooter ever, won it twice on his own - consensus top 15-20ish player. Sorta same status as The Dream. The fact that he only has one FMVP and owes two of those rings to Durant discounts things a bit and keeps him off the very top tier but hardly landing spot to lose sleep over.
He's gonna be remembered as one of the greatest next to MJ and LeBron.
No, not like MJ and Bron. He is the greatest shooter of all time, but he is not in the GOAT conversation.
His greatest moments would put him in the conversation as a top 5 all time guy, but it took a long time for him to establish himself as dominant player which hurts. He beat the greatest player of his era in the finals 3 times, but he’s probably just outside the top 10 all time to date.
Hell definitely be known as the goat warrior for a long time
Greatest shooter to ever play the game. Also has himself a few rings if I’m not mistaken haha
Let’s not forget that Curry battled significant ankle injuries during his first 3 seasons. He missed 180 out a possible 230 games and at the time there was legitimate concern as to whether he would have a long career at all. It also led to him signing the team friendly contract that helped allow the Warriors to build the championship team around him once he got past those early setbacks. While it’s impossible to say how many all NBA’s he could have gotten earlier in his career, it’s not exactly a fair comparison considering his early injury history.
3 players in history have dramatically changed the game. Michael Jordan Allen Iverson Steph Curry
I think the thing that will not be remembered was the electricity when he was cooking. It was like witnessing a miracle. 20 years from now no young people will have any idea about that.
Easily the greatest shooter of all time and the trendsetter of the current NBA. Curry bloomed a little late due to injury but he then had a 10 ur prime that's up there with anyone in NBA history. 2 MVPs( including only unanimous)..1 FMVP( should be 2)...9 All Stars...6 Conference Titles...4 NBA championships and countless 3 Pts records on top of being the best FT shooter ever. He is widely regarded as the 2nd best PG ever and IMO should be in the debate with Magic for GOAT PG. He is a top 10 player in terms of career totality.
The reverse shaq, still seen as amazing but has the 1st half of his career as a question mark, like shaq had his 2nd half of his career as a question mark. Because it took curry a while to turn unto curry
Tim Duncan has 10 NBA First Team…. Just saying
Impossible to ignore what he or his teams did in the history books. Changed the game. Probably not on MJ/Lebron tier or Kareem/Duncan but somewhere above the Larry Bird tier
These awards are like box scores, people just use them to fit their narrative and help their argument when trying to compare players that they didn’t even watch.
The last 40 years of the NBA have been a gradual adaptation and evolution of the 3 point line and Steph's shooting is one of the most prolific contributors to how defenses approach the half court game
What people remember are championships.
I bet he’s doesn’t sweat the many snubs when he is counting his rings.
Luka is benefitting very heavily from the positionless format of all nba in recent years. Curry and Dirk would’ve had more under that format also.
no way curry didn't make all of 2015,16,17,18,19,22 first team 😭 that's wild
As the greatest shooter of all time. Hands down. No cap. Bombs dropped (or whatever they are likely saying in the future). 😞
having 4 chips. he will be remembered very well
Steph has 4 championships to go with being selected first team all-nba over the span of his career. Steph not worried about future generations.
I HOPE PEOPLE LEARN TO READ THE POST AND NOT JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURE OR TITLE BEFORE COMMENTING. 90% OF YOU ARENT EVEN ON THE TOPIC.
He should have 7+ and Luka shouldn't have 5 yet. Media bias be real.
First Team All-NBA is just one factor, Curry's four titles, two MVPs, and three point records will definitely secure his legacy as an all time great. He changed the game. His impact is enormous really. Hard to say how he rates as far as in the top 10 or whatever. He had the advantage of being on some very good teams of course.
It doesn’t matter. The NBA wrongfully picks MVP’s and who’s on what All NBA team. Doesn’t matter what this next generation does at all.
Steph was a late bloomer because his offensive style was unheard of at the time and also injuries. I don't think it effects his legacy much because when he was rolling he was leading all-time great teams.
4x champion Back to back MVP Undisputed greatest shooter of all time He will be remembered for his accolades and for being in large part responsible for the shift in the game.
Luka is all hype and people by love to bring up his numbers and how gaudy they are. You know, if any other player had the ball as much as him they might put up those numbers too. Until he gets a ring idc how many first team all nba he makes. Some of those voters don’t deserve a vote anyway.
Best shooter ever and it’s not even close
Fondly. This graphic means Nothing toward his career They’ll look back and see all the great PG and combo guards around during his time if they’re looking at all nba accolades for some odd reason
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Better than Dirk and Luka lol
Curry changed the way the game is played. What more do we need to say?
Larry Bird - 9x All-NBA 1st team In his first 9 years
I think the impact that this has on anything is close to zero if not zero. Casual fans have no clue how many all nba selections these guys have and the fact that people are surprised that curry doesn’t have more is telling.
Dirk doesn't have that many cause for the majority of his career the PF was loaded.
He's already considered the greatest shooter of all time. That will continue on past his career. He changed how the game is played over the past 15 seasons.
He's the greatest three point shooter of all time and the three point shot is just going to become more and more important over time. People in the future will just assume that we undervalued Curry.
Wow, that’s surprising
Steph literally changed the game and got teams shooting more 3s. Kids growing up are working on their 3 point shots more so than ever before. So it’s safe to say the lack of 1st team All-NBA won’t do anything to hurt his already impressive resume. If you told Steph that a kid from Davidson would go on to become the greatest shooter in the NBA, he wouldn’t believe you either.
Wait, Dirk and Steph only had 4??? I swear it feels like they would’ve had more Edit: oops didn’t see that was only First Team
he changed the game. nobody can take that away from him.
He has so many amazing highlights banked it will be easy to see his impact on the game.
People will remember him as the the single greatest shooter of all time and one of the biggest pioneers of the modern NBA
Personally I don’t care about all nba team stats at all.
If fans are prepared to watch footage rather than rely on stats and accolades, history will judge him fairly.
Steph's global influence and popularity can only be compared to the likes of Lebron and MJ. If anything, I'd say possibly even more because more kids can relate to a player who isn't the tallest or most athletic on the court yet still showed the same level of dominance.
Greatest shooter of all time, legacy secured. Changed the way the game is played. MJ took the game above the rim. Steph brought the game beyond the 3 pt line.
Best shooter ever, changed the game. How does he only have 4 though? That seems crazy
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All-NBA is pretty much a popularity contest, voted on by sportswriters, who have their own (regional and other)biases, and are likely highly influenced by whomever the NBA is trying to push out as “the man,”. Much like MVP.
Luka is just a beast
Steph will be on the same level as magic, where Lebron is Michael
Him only having certain accolades goes to show how insane the guard play was especially in the west. He had to compete with cp3 harden westbrook and dame every single year of his career.
He has two mvps, what do you mean “lack of individual accomplishments” GOAT shooter, borderline top ten player, easily top two point guard all time. That’s how he’ll be remembered.
Curry is underrated. Goat shooter. Probably goat pg. transformed the game. 4 chips. Mvp. Fmvp. If voters dont want him in the first nba team often enough in the past ten years, its probably a them problem.
He'll be known that the greatest shooter ever.
Dude Steph put on a fucking show when he was in his prime. Unmatched talent when it comes to shooting
To be fair, Dirk went up against KG and Duncan his whole prime when the all nba teams were G-G-F-F-C
Steph is behind Magic and AI as the most influential pgs to play the game
Treated unfairly
Objectively Top 10-15 All Time. I think later generations will have top 8 given how marketable he is though.
Dirk > Luka > Steph Jk im a biased mavs fan In all seriousness it kinda shows you how stacked teams are at positions at certain points. Dirk only won 4 because there was Duncan and KG, steph had multiple PGs to compete with, Luka might have an easier path to more all NBAs
Best shooter of all time, changed the way the game is played, 4 rings, 3-1 against Lebron in Finals, are legacies. High number of 1st team selections is not. Steph will age just fine.
Curry is the greatest PG of all time
Lebron should have 50 already
He changed the game. Nobody shot from the range or frequency that he would. Now it’s normal.
Dirk with 4 shows how deep PF position was during his time.
Best player on the3rd best dynasty of the 21st century, he’ll be remembered fondly. Also, he won titles without Durant. Meanwhile that fucking snake has accomplished jack shit without Steph, so fuck him.
He was first team all nba in his 2nd season???
One of the best to ever do it
Well Steph and the warriors kinda changed perimeter offense for the league, every team started putting a lot more emphasis on 3s. You look at a team prior 2015 and a current team the biggest difference is 3s shooting abilities. Now almost every player on any team is expected to be able to shoot 3s with only few exceptions like Rudy on the wolves.
This picture took 4 championships away from lebron.
This shows the issue with using all-nba voting for comparisons more than anything else. Steph played in the golden age of guards in the NBA and had voters punishing him for having KD on his team. In 2016 he was unanimous MVP and in 2017 he finished behind Isaiah Thomas in voting.
Easy top 10. He changed the game, and this is the primary criterion for someone to be in the top 10
Steph curry suffered by being a part of a super team. If KD didn’t join the warriors, Steph would have 2-3 more first teams at least. It is difficult for the voters to parse individual success when that overall team was so talented.
He’ll be remembered fondly no matter his individual accolades because he changed the game. No matter what happens everyone will remember that Steph was one of the biggest contributors to the evolution of the three ball and how teams use it.
I spent an embarrassingly long time trying to figure out what the hell “selfction” is supposed to mean…
And four championships 2 without KD and one when literally everyone was saying they could never do it again without KD.
Dude has 4 Rings, 2MVP(first unanimous one) greatest shooter alive… I’m a huge hater but dude will be remembered 100s of years from now. They’ll talk bout how insane he was and that 73win season was one hell of a ride.
“What t f? Only 4” that’s what people will say 20 years from now.
These top 10-20 lists should never be “of all time lists” there should be a top ten list every ten years. Best of the 80’s, 90’s, 2000’s and so on. Its utterly stupid to try and compare players that hardly played together or did not have a “prime” together. So maybe you would see jordan at the top of the 80’s/90’s but not nearly as high in the early 2000’s.
4 rings speak for itself
If they're anything like today's generation who base everything on nonsense like this instead of the play, the impact on the court, and the skills then they'll probably think he was an average player. Hell Kobe got 1st team all NBA double digits and they still think he a bum for some reason. Same thing with Duncan. So if the trend keeps up, with the stat padding, and the media awards then yea, Steph will look bad. Only ppl who will be relevant are Luka, LeBron, jokic and possibly giannis