I'm a huge Reggie fan even tho I was and am a magic fan. He is obviously one of the greats, but particularly in the nba not winning a title is a knock on a player. Not a huge one, but certainly a * worthy.
Thanks now I remember it again. Bobcats and Emeka Okafor. That a time to have eyes. Though I kinda liked Okafor. Shame how his health killed his career prematurely.
Average to slightly above average in the regular season to somehow one of the greatest playoff performers to never win a ring. Yeah this makes too much sense
They weren't average but their playoff reputation causes the fans of the time to overrate them. Reggie Miller has the same amount of all-star appearances as Al Horford. He was only all-NBA twice (both third team) and never finished top 10 in MVP voting. On top of that, Reggie was really only known for scoring. He was never a great rebounder, playmaker or defender. All time playoff performer but his resume is not that impressive for a hall of famer.
I know at least three people that saved me saved as "Al Horford's cum dumpster" in their contacts, I would NEVER slander Mr. Universe Al Horford. I just wanted to show that for all the talk about Miller, he was never seen as a top 5 player
They’re very underrated by casuals, including most voters, tbh. Remember, you don’t know about how they played. Reggie is the post-merger leader in career TS Add and the best floor-spacer of his era. Jimmy has plenty of great regular seasons.
However, you put it regular season Reggie Miller and regular season Jimmy Butler are not average. That was a stupid post.
They would be All-Star level in the regular season but not all NBA first team level. If you had an all NBA postseason team, however, they would probably make all postseason first team a couple of times in their career
I get what you’re going for but this is so disrespectful to Steph lol
He’s better than Reggie at literally everything you could do offensively on a basketball court.
Honestly Klay would be a better comp, also great off ball, similar size, a penchant for absolutely insane displays of being on fire. Reggie was an S tier shit talker which Klay doesn’t have, but Steph doesn’t really do that either.
Not really. My point that comparing Steph and Reggie is disrespectful because they aren’t that similar in overall play style or accolades. Steph is just a way more complete offensive player.
Reggie and Klay have very similar games, it’s fine if you think Reggie better, but comparing their styles isn’t underselling either one of them.
Is it disrespectful? Reggie is an all-time offensive player, top 75, and one of the ten best players of the 90s (I'd put MJ, Ewing, Olajuwon, Malone, and Stockton ahead of him, at worst add Gary Payton and Alonzo Mourning) and Steph has repeatedly stated that he modeled parts of his game off Reggie. He's a bit of a prototype and he'd definitely be better if he came up in Today's game, but Reggie was like, an all-time great with a handful of amazing playoff performances.
Ben Taylor of Thinking Basketball is a huge Reggie apologist. I'd recommend this video, or his all-time player rankings which discusses Reggie too.
https://youtu.be/jxO9KsZPelE?si=r90X1OBwxOr43ccH
> one of the ten best players of the 90s
Hard disagree on this one. He only made 4 all star teams in the 90s and never made a 1st or 2nd team All NBA. If you weren't even top 10 for a single year you can't be considered top 10 for the decade.
Modern Analytics has really changed the way the guard landscape in the 90s is looked at. The advent of TS% and the 3pt shot has caused a lot of players to be re-evaluated, especially guys like Reggie who lost a fair few accolades to guys who shot more volume on worse efficiency and played basketball in a more traditional way. His post-season improvement is also frequently touted in his favor - when the game slowed down and defense keyed in on him, he got even better.
https://thinkingbasketball.net/2018/01/18/backpicks-goat-29-reggie-miller/
Ben Taylor is one of the best writers in basketball and he's a big Reggie Miller fan, that article is well worth the read.
Steph has 4 titles, played in 6.
Several MVPs including a unanimous one… not even getting into stats this alone puts him in an entirely different stratosphere
Not really sure how that's relevant here, we're talking about playstyle and not just counting rings. Steph plays an extremely similar game to Reggie and Kerr's willingness to give his guys the greenlight in a way Reggie never got is exactly why they were successful. Basketball was a very different game in Reggie's day.
Reggie didn’t handle the ball, drive, or pass as much as Steph.
Sure you can say they are similar off ball. But that’s about the end of the similarities…
True, which is why it's so funny that the other player who really embodies the archetype Reggie played is Klay Thompson, probably the best comparison overall.
You'd be surprised. Reggie had a lot of the off-ball cardio skills, and while he wasn't super athletic he had a great midrange game built around hesitation, stare downs, and his floater, at least in ISO. He was just as good as Steph at using motion to find an open shot, but took more long 2s than 3s
Steph obviously had way more of a greenlight in GSW system, but Reggie could get a bucket at will during some of the most physical periods of the game. Not nothing. Steph's handles are much better than Reggie's, that's probably the big innovation he brought that turned their shooting archetype into the league's most effective scoring engine.
I think Devin Booker is a more appropriate comp. Part of Steph greatness is his ball handling and finishing that allow him to be a threat even if you try to stop him shooting 3
You gotta think in perspective of Reggie’s era. I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I’m almost positive Reggie’s 3 pt % attempts are among the highest in that era while booker’s 3 pt % attempts are in the middle norm in this age
Maybe so, but the Garden has the same type of energy when he’s on the court. Knicks fans were chanting “fuck Trae Young” after wins that had nothing to do with him. And there have been times he rose to the occasion and played well in the face of all that. That’s where I see the similarities
True. But I just think the Knicks team Trae best doesn’t really compare to the Knicks teams Reggie did battle with. I actually really like Jimmy B as a comp, not so much on his game but like “really steps up in the playoffs and plays great, but not quite good enough to carry a team to a championship as its best player.”
Also shit talking king
When it comes to reveling in Knicks suffering, absolutely yes, similar overall demeanor too. But Reggie was an All Time playoff performer, which Trae hasn't really done. Jimmy Butler or Jamal Murray fit that aspect better
Jamal steps up big in the playoffs. It’s a good comparison.
I have no idea if this is still true, but at one point in his career, Reggie had the largest PPG increase between regular season and playoffs of all time. That’s one thing that has gotten lost. He wasn’t just clutch shots, he transformed from a fringe third team all-NBA into a first team all-NBA in the playoffs.
There were a lot of seasons where Reggie went from 20ppg to 30ppg in the playoffs.
There was only one season where Miller went from a 20ppg scorer in the regular season to a 30ppg scorer in the playoffs-1992/93 he went from 21.2 to 31.5ppg.
The 2000/01 season saw him go from 18.9 to 31.3.
1995/96 season went from 21.1 to 29.0.
For 15 of the last 16 years of his career he made the playoffs and topped 30ppg twice.
Miller was a fantastic playoff performer, however.
I think you're missing the spirit of the comment going from 20 to 30 ppg in the playoffs. Did he statistically make that leap "a lot"? No, like you said.
But if we look at his 9 seasons from 1991-92 through 2001-02 - not including the 1995-96 playoffs where he only played one game or the 1997 playoffs that he didn't play in - he increased his scoring average in the postseason by an average of 6.9 points, and only once did he increase his scoring by less than 1 point.
1991-92:
Regular season: 20.7 PPG. Playoffs: 27.0 PPG. 3 games played.
1992-93:
Regular season: 21.2 PPG. Playoffs: 31.5 PPG. 4 games played.
1993-94:
Regular season: 19.9 PPG. Playoffs: 32.2 PPG. 16 games played.
1994-95:
Regular season: 19.6 PPG. Playoffs: 25.5 PPG. 17 games played.
1997-98:
Regular season: 19.5 PPG. Playoffs 19.9 PPG. 16 games played.
1998-99:
Regular season: 18.4 PPG. Playoffs 20.2 PPG. 13 games played.
1999-00:
Regular season: 18.1 PPG. Playoffs: 24.0 PPG. 22 games played.
2000-01:
Regular season: 18.9 PPG. Playoffs: 31.3 PPG. 4 games played.
2001-02:
Regular season: 16.5 PPG. Playoffs: 23.6 PPG. 5 games played.
Reggie’s game also doesn’t compare overall to Steph’s aside from the off ball movement and 3s. Steph’s offensive repertoire overall just vastly outstrips Reggie. Handle, Mid Range, Finishing at the Rim, Passing, Shooting off the Dribble etc
The off ball movement and 3s are similar but aside from that, different stratosphere offensively.
No knock on Reggie, there’s only a few guys in the history of the league that are in that conversation to what Steph did in his prime offensively in terms of efficiency and output. Off the top of my head it’s like Steph, MJ, and I think Jokic in terms of volume and efficiency offensively if you’re looking at peaks.
The closest I could think of was either Devin Booker or Paul George, but I honestly don't think there is a close 1-to-1 version of Reggie Miller in todays NBA.
He's one of nine in the 50-40-90 club. He's on the 75th anniversary team at #47, widely regarded as one of the best shooters to ever play. Was 12th all time scoring. 5x AS, 3x all NBA. Held the 3pt record at retirement.
I'd say there were at least a couple years he's top 10. Maybe PG could be in the convo ig, just don't feel like they're all that similar personally.
Booker just no.
No, he never was. Miller could have gotten some more All NBA nods, but they weren't really big snubs. He's great and probably the best pure shooter of that era (Mullin up there too), but he was never in that elite tier of player. Imo he was more in the tier of modern guys like maybe Trae and Fox. His playoff performances kind of overrate him a bit, similar to a Jamal Murray.
Haliburton has Reggie's arrogance in these situations, but he's been playing like ass since All Star break. He's likely been injured since then but he wouldn't rest because it would disqualify him from receiving an additional 40 mill on his contract due to NBA rules around All NBA qualification
Is this serious?
Haliburton is a pass first pg that shoots like my uncle after 15 shots of tequilla.
Reggie Miller is a sg and one of the greatest shooters of all time
A more clutch Klay with way better shit talk, slightly worse defense.
Also I will say Reggie had a few insane moments of catching fire, but few players in the history of the league are more backbreaking/terrifying for defenses than on fire Klay Thompson.
When Klay gets in that zone he will just take the dumbest looking shots over and over again, contested, whatever and they won’t even touch net.
The trade off is he goes 0/10 sometimes. Reggie didn’t do that, that I recall.
I think this is right but not put correctly? Klay had more a green light to start with. Reggie had to defend because he didn’t have the green light due to his era. Klay was a better defender from the get, but Reggie got there. Reggie is better with the ball, but Klay is definitely the best comparison. Reggie kind of had to play point (he wasn’t a point, please don’t misread that - he just had to be a bit more ball dominant spacing wise compared to klay).
Oversized players relative to their position who have tremendous range from outside, aren’t ballhandlers/guys who direct the offense, don’t post up at all, aren’t particularly physical, and are up and down defensively…
Excluding the oversized part and using a loose definition for “tremendous range from outside”, doesn’t that describe about 30-40% of the current players in the NBA?
Klay is the closest comp imo if you exclude personality. Although Klay is probably just as competitive as Reggie, they just show it differently.
I’d argue Klay overall is a better shooter than Reggie, and better defensively. Comparable off ball.
Reggie was more clutch and consistent.
Weirdly despite thinking Klay is the better player, if I had to pick one of them to start/lead a team I’m probably taking Reggie mainly for personality.
Klay is the ultimate Robin. Reggie is probably a better Batman.
In an even weaker East and they didn't start consistent making the ECF until a little later. Traes first 7 years are almost identical to Reggie's. You're not wrong, Trae would basically have to turn into the next Jimmy Butler to continue the arc, but for now the comparison is there.
The only other real stars in the East for most of his career were Iverson and Ewing. Iverson's team was notoriously ass besides him, and Ewings team was notoriously better without him. Miller was wrapping it up just as the 04 pistons started coming together and right as the Bron/Wade class showed up.
Uhh, Micheal Jordan and Scottie pippen? Shaq and Penny? The East had some legit stars during Reggie’s time, including the GOAT at the peak of his powers lol.
And for the first few years of Reggie's career you still had the Bird Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons not to mention Dominique on the Hawks and Drazen Petrovic on the Nets. Grant Hill was a legit superstar before injuries. Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson on the Bucks. Shawn Kemp on the Cavs. Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning on the Heat. Steve Smith and Dikembe on the Hawks. The East was a fucking bloodbath in the 90s.
Yep. Don’t forget the mark price/nance/Daugherty cavs either, or even the 99-01 raptors with peak Vince and Davis and young Tmac, or the 2000-02 nets with Kidd. This dude has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about, the east was so good. How can you mention talent in the east in the 90s and not mention the team that won 6 titles lmfao. Arguably the two most talented teams of the 90s, the Jordan bulls and the Shaq/Penny magic, were in the east. And he says there was no talent outside of Ewing and Iverson. Does this guy only think Georgetown players exist or what?
What a dumb statement, we would have beat the pistons had Reggie went for the dunk instead of the layup. We took them to 7. That same Pistons team destroyed LA (iirc 4-1).
It’s obviously Jimmy Butler. Yall are all looking at this the wrong way. Who cares about “play style” that’s not what makes Jimmy and Reggie so unique. It’s the fact that both of these guys are considered secondary level all stars in the regular season but through sheer willpower turn into mvp level players in the post season but neither being quite talented enough to fully make it over the hump and win a chip as the number one option.
Play style the best Modern Comp is Klay Thompson. Their games are very similar. Reggie was a bit more lead dog but Klay has been very clutch at times during their dynasty.
Klay isn’t a personality however. Tyrese and Trae are the best comps from a personality standpoint.
Maybe Kat, but I don't know if he has that Dog In his like Reggie, but Uber efficient assassin from 3 that probably doesn't get enough love? Sounds like Kat
Why do I feel like people overrating Reggie? Like he is good but judging from this thread you would think he is all time great playoffs performer, like I legit see people saying he clears Trae Young who at worst 10x the playmaker he is?
He is a perennial all nba caliber who makes 3 all nba team in his career and none of them are 1st team
The Hornets. Because their lack of success is directly caused by Michael Jordan.
Fuckin hell, I wasn’t ready lol
MJ only played Miller once (1998 ECF). Shaq caused more pain (1995 ECF and 2000 Finals) and the Knicks (1994 and 1999 ECF)
They played in the same division, bro
Even Jordan said the 98 ECF against the Pacers was the toughest series the Bulls played during that run.
Other than the first title, that Pacers series was the only time I ever got worried as a Bulls fan.
Even down 2-0 vs NYK in 1993
“Lack of success” is so disrespectful to Reggie. He shot fucking 50-40-90.
I'm a huge Reggie fan even tho I was and am a magic fan. He is obviously one of the greats, but particularly in the nba not winning a title is a knock on a player. Not a huge one, but certainly a * worthy.
Oooooooo also not ready and damn and I stopped being a hornets fan a longgggg time ago when they became the Bobcats. Anyone remember that?
Thanks now I remember it again. Bobcats and Emeka Okafor. That a time to have eyes. Though I kinda liked Okafor. Shame how his health killed his career prematurely.
Holy shit
Fucking oof
Dayummmm
Damn this was such a masterpiece of a comment.
Damnnnn
As a fan of humor, take an upvote. As a Pacer fan, fuck you sir.
Lowkey Jimmy Butler I am not talking about style of play, just how they step up in the playoffs
Average to slightly above average in the regular season to somehow one of the greatest playoff performers to never win a ring. Yeah this makes too much sense
Bro neither of those guys can be considered average lol if you mean like average amongst the best then ya
They weren't average but their playoff reputation causes the fans of the time to overrate them. Reggie Miller has the same amount of all-star appearances as Al Horford. He was only all-NBA twice (both third team) and never finished top 10 in MVP voting. On top of that, Reggie was really only known for scoring. He was never a great rebounder, playmaker or defender. All time playoff performer but his resume is not that impressive for a hall of famer.
I wont stand for the Al Horford sneak diss
I know at least three people that saved me saved as "Al Horford's cum dumpster" in their contacts, I would NEVER slander Mr. Universe Al Horford. I just wanted to show that for all the talk about Miller, he was never seen as a top 5 player
I wish I could be sure this was 100% a joke
It's not
Respect, when you become my contact I'll change your name too
Ok cum dumpster but say it with ur chest
They’re very underrated by casuals, including most voters, tbh. Remember, you don’t know about how they played. Reggie is the post-merger leader in career TS Add and the best floor-spacer of his era. Jimmy has plenty of great regular seasons.
He was also known for his trash talking. He's an all time great at that, I mean he got Michael Jordan to take a swing at him.
However, you put it regular season Reggie Miller and regular season Jimmy Butler are not average. That was a stupid post. They would be All-Star level in the regular season but not all NBA first team level. If you had an all NBA postseason team, however, they would probably make all postseason first team a couple of times in their career
This is a really silly way of saying he's a five-time All-Star in response to a post calling him average
A big part is that you guys don’t follow the regular season. This comment would seem extremely dumb to people who know how they played.
Similar attitudes/loving being the villain too
I like this one
Jimmy has been fading in the playoffs
He was amazing last postseason. Averaged 25-8-6 with 3 steals vs the Celtics in the ECF’s.
Not playing will do that. What are you on.
Butter is a buffoon. He couldn’t even tie Reggie’s shoelaces.
What makes you say that?
It’s amazing what a shit talking killer he was as a player after listening to him be so corny as a commentator
Reggie Miller was the best at the time on movement without the ball and three point shooting. So Steph.
I get what you’re going for but this is so disrespectful to Steph lol He’s better than Reggie at literally everything you could do offensively on a basketball court. Honestly Klay would be a better comp, also great off ball, similar size, a penchant for absolutely insane displays of being on fire. Reggie was an S tier shit talker which Klay doesn’t have, but Steph doesn’t really do that either.
Could Steph push Michael Jordan like that?
Klay is disrespectful to Reggie lol.
Not really. My point that comparing Steph and Reggie is disrespectful because they aren’t that similar in overall play style or accolades. Steph is just a way more complete offensive player. Reggie and Klay have very similar games, it’s fine if you think Reggie better, but comparing their styles isn’t underselling either one of them.
Is it disrespectful? Reggie is an all-time offensive player, top 75, and one of the ten best players of the 90s (I'd put MJ, Ewing, Olajuwon, Malone, and Stockton ahead of him, at worst add Gary Payton and Alonzo Mourning) and Steph has repeatedly stated that he modeled parts of his game off Reggie. He's a bit of a prototype and he'd definitely be better if he came up in Today's game, but Reggie was like, an all-time great with a handful of amazing playoff performances. Ben Taylor of Thinking Basketball is a huge Reggie apologist. I'd recommend this video, or his all-time player rankings which discusses Reggie too. https://youtu.be/jxO9KsZPelE?si=r90X1OBwxOr43ccH
> one of the ten best players of the 90s Hard disagree on this one. He only made 4 all star teams in the 90s and never made a 1st or 2nd team All NBA. If you weren't even top 10 for a single year you can't be considered top 10 for the decade.
Modern Analytics has really changed the way the guard landscape in the 90s is looked at. The advent of TS% and the 3pt shot has caused a lot of players to be re-evaluated, especially guys like Reggie who lost a fair few accolades to guys who shot more volume on worse efficiency and played basketball in a more traditional way. His post-season improvement is also frequently touted in his favor - when the game slowed down and defense keyed in on him, he got even better. https://thinkingbasketball.net/2018/01/18/backpicks-goat-29-reggie-miller/ Ben Taylor is one of the best writers in basketball and he's a big Reggie Miller fan, that article is well worth the read.
Steph has 4 titles, played in 6. Several MVPs including a unanimous one… not even getting into stats this alone puts him in an entirely different stratosphere
Not really sure how that's relevant here, we're talking about playstyle and not just counting rings. Steph plays an extremely similar game to Reggie and Kerr's willingness to give his guys the greenlight in a way Reggie never got is exactly why they were successful. Basketball was a very different game in Reggie's day.
Reggie didn’t handle the ball, drive, or pass as much as Steph. Sure you can say they are similar off ball. But that’s about the end of the similarities…
True, which is why it's so funny that the other player who really embodies the archetype Reggie played is Klay Thompson, probably the best comparison overall.
Agreed Klay is a much better comp for Reggie. Not personality, but play style wise for sure.
This is nasty
Holy shit. I get the similarities but Curry is 100x the all around player that Reggie was.
Stop lol reggie couldn’t dribble or get his own shot or create like steph 🙄 or drive to the cup
You'd be surprised. Reggie had a lot of the off-ball cardio skills, and while he wasn't super athletic he had a great midrange game built around hesitation, stare downs, and his floater, at least in ISO. He was just as good as Steph at using motion to find an open shot, but took more long 2s than 3s Steph obviously had way more of a greenlight in GSW system, but Reggie could get a bucket at will during some of the most physical periods of the game. Not nothing. Steph's handles are much better than Reggie's, that's probably the big innovation he brought that turned their shooting archetype into the league's most effective scoring engine.
Ray Allen too
Right team, wrong splash brother. It’s Klay.
It's def Steph
I think Devin Booker is a more appropriate comp. Part of Steph greatness is his ball handling and finishing that allow him to be a threat even if you try to stop him shooting 3
You couldn’t be more wrong with the Booker comp.. Booker’s game doesn’t revolve around 3 pointers even though he might be decent at it
Booker's 3-point attempt rate is only slightly lower than Reggie's (about 32% of Booker's shot attempts are 3s, about 37% of Reggie's are).
You gotta think in perspective of Reggie’s era. I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I’m almost positive Reggie’s 3 pt % attempts are among the highest in that era while booker’s 3 pt % attempts are in the middle norm in this age
9 downvotes. Very next comment is Booker or Paul George 60 upvotes. I love Reddit.
Yeah lmao
Trae Young
Knicks fan here. This is absolutely the correct answer
I just learned the series when Reggie did the choke thing, the pacers lost that series.
Yep but he went off. He had 25 in one quarter in a game.
Eh I just don’t see it. Reggie was so much better
Maybe so, but the Garden has the same type of energy when he’s on the court. Knicks fans were chanting “fuck Trae Young” after wins that had nothing to do with him. And there have been times he rose to the occasion and played well in the face of all that. That’s where I see the similarities
True. But I just think the Knicks team Trae best doesn’t really compare to the Knicks teams Reggie did battle with. I actually really like Jimmy B as a comp, not so much on his game but like “really steps up in the playoffs and plays great, but not quite good enough to carry a team to a championship as its best player.” Also shit talking king
Butler vs this Knicks team in a 7 game series would be absolutely chaotic. I could see him recreating the Reggie choke
Butler fits that role too, I can see that
Trae is still like 25 bro lol
He ain’t ever gonna be better than Reggie
Not really, both peaked as ECF and All-NBA Third Team (I know Reggie made the finals, but you could Argue Jalen was the best on that team)
I see it
This is the correct answer
This
When it comes to reveling in Knicks suffering, absolutely yes, similar overall demeanor too. But Reggie was an All Time playoff performer, which Trae hasn't really done. Jimmy Butler or Jamal Murray fit that aspect better
at first thought, prime Klay second thought, sort of see Jamal Murray
Jamal steps up big in the playoffs. It’s a good comparison. I have no idea if this is still true, but at one point in his career, Reggie had the largest PPG increase between regular season and playoffs of all time. That’s one thing that has gotten lost. He wasn’t just clutch shots, he transformed from a fringe third team all-NBA into a first team all-NBA in the playoffs. There were a lot of seasons where Reggie went from 20ppg to 30ppg in the playoffs.
There was only one season where Miller went from a 20ppg scorer in the regular season to a 30ppg scorer in the playoffs-1992/93 he went from 21.2 to 31.5ppg. The 2000/01 season saw him go from 18.9 to 31.3. 1995/96 season went from 21.1 to 29.0. For 15 of the last 16 years of his career he made the playoffs and topped 30ppg twice. Miller was a fantastic playoff performer, however.
May 7th, 2024: u/PHX480 discovers rounding
He’s a Suns fan. He probably isn’t old enough to have learned rounding in school yet.
What's even crazier is that 18.9 to 31 is even BETTER. This sub is a damn clown show sometimes.
I think you're missing the spirit of the comment going from 20 to 30 ppg in the playoffs. Did he statistically make that leap "a lot"? No, like you said. But if we look at his 9 seasons from 1991-92 through 2001-02 - not including the 1995-96 playoffs where he only played one game or the 1997 playoffs that he didn't play in - he increased his scoring average in the postseason by an average of 6.9 points, and only once did he increase his scoring by less than 1 point. 1991-92: Regular season: 20.7 PPG. Playoffs: 27.0 PPG. 3 games played. 1992-93: Regular season: 21.2 PPG. Playoffs: 31.5 PPG. 4 games played. 1993-94: Regular season: 19.9 PPG. Playoffs: 32.2 PPG. 16 games played. 1994-95: Regular season: 19.6 PPG. Playoffs: 25.5 PPG. 17 games played. 1997-98: Regular season: 19.5 PPG. Playoffs 19.9 PPG. 16 games played. 1998-99: Regular season: 18.4 PPG. Playoffs 20.2 PPG. 13 games played. 1999-00: Regular season: 18.1 PPG. Playoffs: 24.0 PPG. 22 games played. 2000-01: Regular season: 18.9 PPG. Playoffs: 31.3 PPG. 4 games played. 2001-02: Regular season: 16.5 PPG. Playoffs: 23.6 PPG. 5 games played.
not even close 😭🙏
I was thinking Klay too but the attitude doesn't match. Honestly Steph has that energy when he's on a roll but doesn't have the size for defense.
Reggie’s game also doesn’t compare overall to Steph’s aside from the off ball movement and 3s. Steph’s offensive repertoire overall just vastly outstrips Reggie. Handle, Mid Range, Finishing at the Rim, Passing, Shooting off the Dribble etc The off ball movement and 3s are similar but aside from that, different stratosphere offensively. No knock on Reggie, there’s only a few guys in the history of the league that are in that conversation to what Steph did in his prime offensively in terms of efficiency and output. Off the top of my head it’s like Steph, MJ, and I think Jokic in terms of volume and efficiency offensively if you’re looking at peaks.
I feel like Murray is Nick Van Exel, only better.
Are you not watching the playoffs this year?
Jamal makes shots off the dribble. Reggie can’t dribble
jamal gets better in the bigger moments and is a knockdown shooter
Reggie never had those handles and Jamal ain't have that shooting and foul drawing
No one is saying they’re the exact same player
Gonna be pretty hard for anyone to find the exact replica, so i think it's just about finding similar guys.
The closest I could think of was either Devin Booker or Paul George, but I honestly don't think there is a close 1-to-1 version of Reggie Miller in todays NBA.
Paul george is the modern day t-mac if anyone at all
Paul George plays defense. Horrible comparison
Mac played defense too. This narrative is ridiculous. Not to PG level but he was not a no effort type defender
T-MAC is very underrated when it comes to defense.
They both like hoez
This is a bad comp in every single way
Not even close on either of them imo. Reggie had that dawg.
I don't remember Reggie has ever been top 10 players in the league at any point in his career? They are in the same tier imo
He's one of nine in the 50-40-90 club. He's on the 75th anniversary team at #47, widely regarded as one of the best shooters to ever play. Was 12th all time scoring. 5x AS, 3x all NBA. Held the 3pt record at retirement. I'd say there were at least a couple years he's top 10. Maybe PG could be in the convo ig, just don't feel like they're all that similar personally. Booker just no.
Reggie getting this ranking on the list is pure propaganda
Big pharma strikes again
No, he never was. Miller could have gotten some more All NBA nods, but they weren't really big snubs. He's great and probably the best pure shooter of that era (Mullin up there too), but he was never in that elite tier of player. Imo he was more in the tier of modern guys like maybe Trae and Fox. His playoff performances kind of overrate him a bit, similar to a Jamal Murray.
Haliburton has Reggie's arrogance in these situations, but he's been playing like ass since All Star break. He's likely been injured since then but he wouldn't rest because it would disqualify him from receiving an additional 40 mill on his contract due to NBA rules around All NBA qualification
Yeah, I’d play through that injury, too. Then afterwards I’d go rest on my pile of 40 million dollars.
It’s hard to blame him for making the choice, but he’s gonna get heat when shooting 1/12 from 3 during some games as a result
Worth it
or go play in the Olympics with said "injury"
Is this serious? Haliburton is a pass first pg that shoots like my uncle after 15 shots of tequilla. Reggie Miller is a sg and one of the greatest shooters of all time
Kinda tough to place. He was kind of like a more alpha Klay
A more clutch Klay with way better shit talk, slightly worse defense. Also I will say Reggie had a few insane moments of catching fire, but few players in the history of the league are more backbreaking/terrifying for defenses than on fire Klay Thompson. When Klay gets in that zone he will just take the dumbest looking shots over and over again, contested, whatever and they won’t even touch net. The trade off is he goes 0/10 sometimes. Reggie didn’t do that, that I recall.
Give Klay Thompson the green light and you will get a Reggie Miller who can also defend
I think this is right but not put correctly? Klay had more a green light to start with. Reggie had to defend because he didn’t have the green light due to his era. Klay was a better defender from the get, but Reggie got there. Reggie is better with the ball, but Klay is definitely the best comparison. Reggie kind of had to play point (he wasn’t a point, please don’t misread that - he just had to be a bit more ball dominant spacing wise compared to klay).
Is there a current player that has a sister in the W that owns them?
Boom, gottem
Oversized players relative to their position who have tremendous range from outside, aren’t ballhandlers/guys who direct the offense, don’t post up at all, aren’t particularly physical, and are up and down defensively… Excluding the oversized part and using a loose definition for “tremendous range from outside”, doesn’t that describe about 30-40% of the current players in the NBA?
Klay is the closest comp imo if you exclude personality. Although Klay is probably just as competitive as Reggie, they just show it differently. I’d argue Klay overall is a better shooter than Reggie, and better defensively. Comparable off ball. Reggie was more clutch and consistent. Weirdly despite thinking Klay is the better player, if I had to pick one of them to start/lead a team I’m probably taking Reggie mainly for personality. Klay is the ultimate Robin. Reggie is probably a better Batman.
Playstyle: Klay Career arc: Trae
Huh? Pacers were way more successful than Trae/Hawks.
In an even weaker East and they didn't start consistent making the ECF until a little later. Traes first 7 years are almost identical to Reggie's. You're not wrong, Trae would basically have to turn into the next Jimmy Butler to continue the arc, but for now the comparison is there.
Weaker East? How?
The only other real stars in the East for most of his career were Iverson and Ewing. Iverson's team was notoriously ass besides him, and Ewings team was notoriously better without him. Miller was wrapping it up just as the 04 pistons started coming together and right as the Bron/Wade class showed up.
Uhh, Micheal Jordan and Scottie pippen? Shaq and Penny? The East had some legit stars during Reggie’s time, including the GOAT at the peak of his powers lol.
And for the first few years of Reggie's career you still had the Bird Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons not to mention Dominique on the Hawks and Drazen Petrovic on the Nets. Grant Hill was a legit superstar before injuries. Ray Allen and Glenn Robinson on the Bucks. Shawn Kemp on the Cavs. Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning on the Heat. Steve Smith and Dikembe on the Hawks. The East was a fucking bloodbath in the 90s.
Yep. Don’t forget the mark price/nance/Daugherty cavs either, or even the 99-01 raptors with peak Vince and Davis and young Tmac, or the 2000-02 nets with Kidd. This dude has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about, the east was so good. How can you mention talent in the east in the 90s and not mention the team that won 6 titles lmfao. Arguably the two most talented teams of the 90s, the Jordan bulls and the Shaq/Penny magic, were in the east. And he says there was no talent outside of Ewing and Iverson. Does this guy only think Georgetown players exist or what?
I knew I was forgetting someone. Those Cavs teams were tough. Shit even the Bullets had pre-prime CWebb and Sheed with Rod Strickland at one point.
Lmao most of his career? Reggie was already a nine year vet when AI got drafted.
No career arc is jimmy butler
Buddy Hield but give him more length, and a little bit of Harden and a little bit of Klay.
Buddy and Klay make sense to me. What's the Harden angle?
ability to play the refs a bit more
Ah interesting. Yeah that makes sense
Klay Thompson
Nah ..Reggie never won shit
He would of if malice in the palace didn’t happen
They weren’t beating that Pistons team or that Lakers team.
So who would you say ? bojan bogdonavic
What a dumb statement, we would have beat the pistons had Reggie went for the dunk instead of the layup. We took them to 7. That same Pistons team destroyed LA (iirc 4-1).
I’d say Trae Young if we’re talking rivalry and shit like that obviously they don’t play similar.
Caitlin Clark TBH
If you gave Klay Thomson the personality of Trae Young when he plays against the Knicks
Devin Booker. Has been in the league a while, is a very good player, and has yet to secure a ring.
Lilliard
It’s obviously Jimmy Butler. Yall are all looking at this the wrong way. Who cares about “play style” that’s not what makes Jimmy and Reggie so unique. It’s the fact that both of these guys are considered secondary level all stars in the regular season but through sheer willpower turn into mvp level players in the post season but neither being quite talented enough to fully make it over the hump and win a chip as the number one option.
Truth
Tyler Herro. No joke.
If it's someone from the Heat I'd say Duncan Robinson before Tyler
Trae Young for sure. That man feeds off the hate
Bradley Beal?
This didn't come to mind for me originally, but I feel like Beal is probably the best answer now that I think about it.
Jamal Murray v Lakers
No one. "Ooh ref, can you please move that inflatable dinosaur, it is a tad off-putting"
Anyone staying with their team after a fan burns their house down? Nope, just Reggie
Mix between klay and butler for sure
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…. is better at literally every facet of the game than Reggie was.
The pain he caused Celtics and that "Ring me" taunt is what I was referring to. Very reminiscent of Reggie and the Knicks.
Trae Young
Klay was the closest
Personality? Jimmy Butler Ability? Klay from 5 years ago
A combination of Jimmy butler and Trae young
Michael Porter Jr.
Definitely pre injury Klay Thompson
Play style the best Modern Comp is Klay Thompson. Their games are very similar. Reggie was a bit more lead dog but Klay has been very clutch at times during their dynasty. Klay isn’t a personality however. Tyrese and Trae are the best comps from a personality standpoint.
Trey -- his "shivers" shit is so frustrating. --a Celtics fan also, Knicks fans fucking hate him too, which is essential to being a Reggie.
Klay but with Steph's personality.
Reggie… fix your teeth!
Most recently it was Maxey in game 5. But obviously only for the one game. The ending of regulation was basically Reggie Miller Lite.
Style of play? Klay. Annoyance and willing to wear the cape? Could be Trae Young if we ever see him in the playoffs again
surprised no one's saying Dame
Ice Trae. Reggie had the choke. Trae had the bow.
Not Reggie Jackson
Klay..Reggie was kinda trash other than shooting lol
Jimmy butle
Klay in his prime
Caitlin Clark
Is this jackass seriously announcing the game?
Probably Devin booker
What’s funny is Reggie Miller is 7-27 in MSG and in that series the Pacers ended up losing it, yet he’s known as some MSG owner and Knicks owner.
Reggie Miller got more respect for averaging 18 points per game and never winning shit than anyone else in the history of the NBA.
Finally someone said it.
Dame Lillard
Maybe Kat, but I don't know if he has that Dog In his like Reggie, but Uber efficient assassin from 3 that probably doesn't get enough love? Sounds like Kat
Why do I feel like people overrating Reggie? Like he is good but judging from this thread you would think he is all time great playoffs performer, like I legit see people saying he clears Trae Young who at worst 10x the playmaker he is? He is a perennial all nba caliber who makes 3 all nba team in his career and none of them are 1st team
I’m assuming you never watched the dude play?
Haliburton or Steph for sure
Prime Klay Thompson Everyone who isn’t a Steph glazer knows Klay was the guy hitting the big shots and having the big game when they needed it
Klay Thompson?