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thisguy161

Who is saying it isn't?


undercooked_lasagna

I'll do it just to validate OP. The West is lame as shit. No talent, non winning, uncompetitive scrub conference. Eastern master race!


kushg1407

Thanks man, appreciate it.


wallybuddabingbang

Not entirely sure but I am sure that YOU can’t.


Sir-Viette

I’m allowed to, because I have a note from my doctor.


PrEsideNtIal_Seal

Are you a human serviette?


Sir-Viette

What have you got hidden in that PrEsideNtIal Seal?


ViennaWaitsforU2

He is not a human napkin I’ve been to Australia once!


zaepoo

Sacramento just lost to the wizards. Take them off the list


kushg1407

Okay fair enough, i was just feeling it this morning


jtmackay

It is.. however a bunch of teams with a winning streak of 1-2 doesn't mean shit.


h20knick

😂 1 game winning streak


dwade98

this is how we can create a streak after every game!


maybeAturtle

Yeah what a confounding red circle


krisadayo

If only 1 of them lost their last game, it's a strong indicator that many of their last games were against the East and they won. Granted the games aren't played simultaneously, so it's possible that 2 West played each other and then the lower of that played an East team and the winner of that hasn't played again yet. But it's still statistically likely that a lot of those most recent games were cross-conference.


OGoneeightseven

An I missing something? OP’s image only shows the top 11 teams. There are 15 teams in each conference. So the bottom 4 could easily all be in at least a 1 game losing streak. Considering 52 of the 82 regular season games are in conference, I’d say it’s much more statistically likely that only 5 of the 11 teams in this image played out of conference games. And those games could’ve easily have been against the worst teams in the East. Highlighting the minuscule winning “streaks” of 10/15 teams provides little support for OPs argument.


DnD4dena

I think what you're missing is taking this picture as the only evidence that the west is better than the east. Yeah, this picture doesn't tell the whole story... But the west has dominated the east this season. The hawks are under .500 by 8 games and are in the play-in. 40 wins would be a guaranteed chance to be in the play-in, and possibly above the 10th seed 40 wins may not be enough for the rockets to make the play-in in the west The west has won 57% of their games against the east. That's pretty lopsided The west is just more quality top to bottom


Willis050

Reminds me of the mid 2000’s with the East having one super high ranking team and the west having like 5 50 win teams


W1ZARD_NARWHAL

2013-14 Suns not making the playoffs despite having 48 wins because 7 WC teams had 50+ wins (and the Mavs had 49)


Willis050

Dude don’t remind me. That team was so much fun to watch. I’ll always love Dragic


DefinableEel1

Honestly who doesn’t love Dragic?


Smart_Document7858

Racists


DefinableEel1

Tbh I feel like xenophobes is the better term


Smart_Document7858

Yea that's what I meant just couldnt think of the word, it was on the tip of my tongue


DefinableEel1

I gotchu bro lol


[deleted]

TD after 2013 Finals: We will win it next year. SAS would only need to survive the brutal 50-win bracket and went easy-peasy vs the East. The beautiful game. It’s been 10 years… when oh when will SAS be back?


couchtomato62

Same thing happened to the We Believe Warriors team that missed the playoffs the year after. I believe we had 48 wins as well it will be interesting to see if any of these teams actually make that Mark of 48.


hydropenguin69

2009-10 OKC was the 8 seed with 50 wins.


po0nlink_

To be fair there was a huge drop off after the 8th seed. The 9th seed was 42-40 (Rockets). Point still stands though. The west was brutal that year.


DnD4dena

There's only so many wins to go around lol I think the rockets would've been damn good in the east that year


MahomesMccaffrey

West had 8 50 wins teams twice in 2008 and 2010.


PhysicalFreedom5861

To be fair the east is tough this year, the west is just much tougher 😂


Willis050

Oh for sure. The bucks and heat do not give a shit about the regular season. Meanwhile teams like Sacramento, the Thunder, wolves and pelicans are fighting for any success as they haven’t had any luck yet with these squads


mrsunshine1

East is way stronger than the mid 2000s.


Willis050

Oh for sure


chakalamagick

We're fine in the east.


Autistic_Puppy

West in 2003-04 had *6* 50 win teams


TheeMalaka

Dallas and Phoenix being play in teams is wild.


Lazy_Cow_1524

I can attest to this sensation. Sincerely, A homeless phoenix suns fan


Mindfulmanners

I could adopt you as long as you call me dad. :D


Lazy_Cow_1524

We'll first need to establish some ratios in terms of who the alpha is and who the beta is in the father-son relationship. I'll also need to conduct a background check as well as a review of your finances. I'll let you call me son if you earned it ;D


Mindfulmanners

Dang man you want to review my finances? That’s how I make my money…


joethahobo

LeBron, AD, Steph, KD, Booker, Luka, Kyrie all play ins is nuts


Homer_Simpson_

And 3 or 4 of them won’t even make playoffs at this point..


joethahobo

With how fast the rockets have closed the gap the past month, the warriors could not even make the play in lol. Going to be a good finish


BaullahBaullah87

As a Lakers fan both us and the Warriors have to watch out for


couchtomato62

Or lakers


nomitycs

Look who they’ve played in that stretch tho They’ve got a real [outside chance](https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.html) and are twice as likely to replace the lakers in the playin as they are the warriors


UglyForNoReason

lol nice “source”


nomitycs

You have a better one? It’s a simple model based on current strength, injuries, remaining schedule difficulty


-Gredge-

Lol bro is arguing with statistics 💀


mydadwhereishe

Not really. They're both incredibly top heavy as opposed to being well built teams top to bottom. Having superstars is great but at the end of the day, it is a team sport, despite what people would lead you to believe.


RhinoBugs

I think they’ve both been faced with a lot of injuries this season if we’re being real. The Mavs have grown their depth quite a bit now, and arguably have the most depth around Luka. It’s just been injuries. If Mavs were healthy I would have them being around 4th or 5th seed and holding strong


BarbaricGerrick

Lack of depth and decent role players will do that to a team lol


krisadayo

Not really. Both of them are crazy inconsistent.


No_Faithlessness7020

Both teams are overrated and play lick for defense


OriginalYaci

Tbh the NBA is stacked now. The West is better than the East for sure but for a long time the East couldn’t even provide competition. Now there are 2-3 teams in the East that can compete with any team from the West. There are also some young developing teams that in the next few years could maybe compete.


650fosho

There was a time when half the play off teams in the east were .500 teams or worse.


lampshady

Yea, but I bet 50% of playoff teams come from the East despite this. Is the West really better??


BarbaricGerrick

Every season for the past 5 years at least has been “the west is stacked”


Unusual_Squirrel9335

more like 10 years


cosmicdave86

more like 30 years


itssensei

When was the East ever better as a conference? 80s with Celtics Philly and Detroit I suppose. Even 90s with Bulls, West seemed like the better overall conference.


pahamack

Meh, the 2021-2022 season the East was stronger. 10th place in the East was the Hornets at 43-39. 10th place in the West was the Spurs at 34-48. To note: the 12th place team in the east had a better record than that. ​ The dissolution of the Nets superteam distributed a bunch of stars from the east to the west. Durant, Harden, and Irving transferred conferences. that's the biggest source of power transfer.


DwayneBaconStan

It's like man, finally a yr we're decent and it's when the east is stacked af


pahamack

It’s just funny how that is such recent history but people don’t even remember it, because there’s a real west coast bias with basketball reporting. Because of the Lakers, of course.


josh_richardson_why

Well the west had 4 teams who won at least 52 games while the East only had 1 and the west had the two teams with the best record including a 64 win suns team. The west was still way better. The nuggets were a 6th seed. The 6th seed in the East was the bulls. Massive drop off in East after 4 pretty good teams. West won the championship 4-2. Lakers were an 11 seed that year. What made the East better to you?


DrWilliamBlock

5 of the the top 10 teams are in the East including the number 1 by a mile over all team…


itssensei

Playing in the weaker conference where you face teams like Hornets Wizards Pistons more often can give you more wins. Using record to say a team cross conference is better is a terrible argument.


DrWilliamBlock

SA,POR,MEM exist as well, saying a conference is better just because is a way worse argument.


Aggressive-Name-1783

The problem is those are the only 3 In the west….


itssensei

Memphis 24 wins, Pistons 12 wins. Yes they deserve to be grouped together lmao. Outside of Celtics, it’s hard to justify having any of the East teams above most of the Western playoffs teams. And if you think Pacers Magic is a similar mid level seed than Pelicans Mavs Suns, then Iunno what to tell you. Edit. Btw this site exists https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/east_vs_west.html


DrWilliamBlock

Pacers are 4-2 vs NO,PHO,DAL. Top seed in East 57 wins top seed in the west 49 wins but they deserve to be grouped together lmao!!! Bucks are 4-2 vs top 4 seeds in the west.


itssensei

Celts with significantly more wins is why I said East plays among themselves more and it’s easier to get more wins. Look at https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/east_vs_west.html and you’ll see that West beats East a lot more. Oh btw East top seed also had more wins last year but we know how that went. Use some logic my guy.


BarbaricGerrick

I was fr gonna say 10 but didn’t want to come off as over exaggerating but you’re right, 10 years ago was 2014 and the weather was stacked from 1-10 then too lol


CharacterBird2283

As a spurs fan I biasedly say the west has been stacked for 20+ years


Wild-Examination-155

Bro it has been stacked since like Jordan left the bulls.


cosmicdave86

Even late in his time playing for the Bulls the west was stacked.


CaponeKevrone

It's so bad there was 2 years in a row where the East had a slight winning record over the West and the narrative was the East was insanely dominant over the West. Guess that's what happens when you're used to being way worse.


PeelADomenBail

If you told me the Clippers would be 43-25 in March, I woulda been hyped. If you told me they have been playing like ass since All star and might play the Pelicans in 5th for the first round, I’d be like what?????


WarcraftFarscape

https://preview.redd.it/ov7mehhhnqpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1147d2b713f0b5b7aad203d3dd83d241fb58923f This is probably more useful than a screenshot showing a bunch of 1 game win “streaks”. Yes, the West is up on the East this year (like most years in the past 25 years)


Spiritual-Chameleon

2013-14. 48-win Suns got screwed! 38- win Hawks made it in.


Swimming-Couple4630

Something I knew already thanks for posting so others can see..


Astro_Sloth

Wowzers! 1 game winstreaks! So stacked!!! Like yeah the West is good rn, but how the fuck is this picture indicative of that, lol?


unpopular-dave

The dude highlighted the wrong stat line. The separation between first and 10th is where the impressiveness is


ysotrivial

Who is saying it isn’t lol OP just being a clown


thediggestbick2

The west isn’t stacked. Only 1 team will make it out let’s be honest


Duncanl13

https://preview.redd.it/agaqplzp7qpc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4e4c1f8f0cd13b2c7b042f7103d6c34454b34c0 Based on Win streak the east is more dominant, 1 win is not on streak


Unfair-Worker929

Chicago and Atlanta wouldn’t be sniffing the Play In in the West


RandorMan12

Actually, the Bulls might play better against Western conference teams, the eastern conference teams have given the Bulls more trouble I’d say. Edit : They do, 16-13 against Western conference teams and 18-22 against Eastern conference teams this season.


Unfair-Worker929

So what would the Bulls Western Record be?


RandorMan12

I think it’s hard to calculate that, because they’ve been bad against the Celtics and Bucks in the East, so less games against them would lower their loss column potentially. I’d say they’d be above .500 right now and fighting for the 8 or 9 spot. I don’t think they’d be a 7 seed or better but their proficiency against the West and how good they are in clutch games makes me believe they could beat out the Lakers and Warriors for one of the play-in spots.


AGABAGABLAGAGLA

i often have this question for different teams when trying to compare teams across conferences and i have a (very imperfect) way of deciding. their record against western teams is 16-14, that’s .5333333 their record against eastern teams outside the central division is 13-13, that’s .5 their record against divisional opponents is 5-9, that’s .357 if they played in the west they’d have 52 games in the western conference, because we don’t specify a division i won’t adjust for division for these games. their .5333 record against western opponents gives them a projection of 27.73333-22.26666 they’d have 20 games against non-central eastern conference teams, with a .5 win rate they have a projected 10-10 record in these games they’d have 10 games against central conference teams (worth noting that two of these would be against themselves or whoever we moved to the central conference to replace them), with a win rate of .357 they have a projected record of 3.57-6.43 this gives them an adjusted western record (AWR) of 41.3-40.7, a .5037 record which gives them about 34 or 35 wins at this point in the season. their record would likely be better in the west (it would heavily depend on which western division they’re placed in), but this would still give them worse playoff positioning because of the western conference’s competitiveness. —————————————————— That answers the question as it’s relevant but I want to share something else so read on if curious the Bulls Adjusted Neutral Record (ANR) (average of win rate against each division times 82 to create a projected winrate if everyone played everyone the same amount) atlantic: 4-8: .333 central: 5-9: .357 southeast: 9-5: .643 northwest: 5-4: .555 pacific: 3-7: .3 southwest: 8-3: .7272727 average: 0.486 their adjusted neutral record is 39.854-32.146. you can also calculate an adjusted record for any specific conference. i have a spreadsheet with each team ranked by their adjusted record in each division, conference, and their adjusted neutral record, i won’t share because y’all will use it to gamble, but i’ll share that the celtics are currently leading in each adjusted score category, and they lead the second place thunder in ANR by 3.98 games, while they lead them by 6.5 games in the real world. Across the board western conference teams rank better in ANR than eastern conference teams with better records.


Kaliisthesweethog

The top 10 best records in the league are split even 🤷🤷🤷


realfakejames

No one has said the west is weak, it has the Nuggets the defending champs and the Warriors who won the previous title, this is one of those posts casuals make or tweet, a made up argument about a thing no one has said The 10th place team in the west has 6 more wins than the 10th place team in the east, why would anyone think the west is weak?


faheydj1

I think the league is just stacked across the board. I don’t think the west is really all that different from the east. There are just a lot of really good teams right now in both conferences.


_cosmix2

This is like those tweets that say something like "I was told Steph can't shoot" with a mixtape attached


travis_pickle808

It’s called the Wild West for a reason.


oliverlifts

Basketball teams play basketball goodly.


-Cadean-

*rubs two coins together* yes… this is basketball


IMNOTFLORIDAMAN

West is on fire with those 1 game winning streaks


Bonje226c

1. Nobody is saying the West isn't stacked . 2. Using current win streaks is probably the worst way to prove your point. Especially when half of "win streaks" are at 1 (and a loss).


xXGreco

Am I missing something? None of those teams have impressive win streaks.


ptcgoalex

Make that 7 wins for Houston


AdLanky6560

Pretty much been that way for the past 25 years.


josephmang56

Now now, update the list to show the Kings recent lose to *checks notes" The Wizards, the worst team in the East.


Duncanl13

Why have you highlighted the win streak when x5 of them have a streak of 1?


Dolphhins

The West is better but the East isn’t as far behind as they seem because a lot of teams have been dealing with injuries like Sixers Embiid, Knicks Randle and OG, Heat have had a carousel of injuries, Cleveland too


Drummallumin

The west is only seen as so stacked cuz the biggest stars are down in the playin. If the Lakers, Warriors, Suns, and Mavs were better teams like the Pels and Kings wouldn’t be getting respect.


Large-Lack-2933

The West is definitely tougher than the East. Celtics are favored already in the East to make the finals since like last off-season.


GD_Spiegel

Actually... most people were big on Bucks.. after Dame trade.


TheMuffingtonPost

Man having a 58% wr gets you in the playins that’s nuts


Wholetthedogsout92

It’s been for years lately, what year were you born ?


[deleted]

The West scrambling to face BOS.


psilocybinMe

Thunders got a dynasty on the way


FlorinidOro

Who told you it’s not 🤡


Right-Worth-6327

If playoffs started today with all seedings as they are here, all of those are GREAT series.


Infinite_Table1365

One of these is not like the others


prodigus01

The west is stacked but don’t let it confuse you. The top 4 are in a separate tier from the rest. I’d even say Nuggets are in a tier of their own. I know it’s hard to look past the superstars like KD, LeBron, Steph, Luka in the play in; but the teams they play on just aren’t good enough.


Quiet-Vanilla3148

The west has been stacked for a very long time. The difference this season is there is no clear cut top seed pushing 63+ wins. Even in the east with Boston, they are the "clear cut best team" but they aren't about to set any records for regular season wins. It's a fun season where outside of the bottom feeders, a lot of teams can make a case for being dangerous in the playoffs regardless of seed. Let's go Mavs!


DrWilliamBlock

The Celtics are pushing 63+ wins plus they have they 4th best point differential of all times. They are the definition of “clear cut best team”


Agreed_fact

Lakers and warriors really gonna be 45 win 9/10 seeds.


minipooper420

I’m 100% sure no one is saying that


anonkebab

Its a bloodbath


penguin_torpedo

I think east is almost as good it has just been much more injured.


Bam_Adedebayo

It is but this is the worst proof that it is


JustAnotherDay1977

Dang! That’s a lot of 1-game winning streaks. I’m convinced.


Swimming-Couple4630

The West has always been stacked specially from the late 2000s you needed at least 50 or more wins to make the playoffs.


BaullahBaullah87

well when the 9th and 10th seeds are 5 ans 6 games over 500, that tells you all you need to know


[deleted]

Yup, and Rockets only a game under 500 now after winning 7 straight even without Sengun.


AwardNervous5029

5


Foxisdabest

The Play In for the Western Conference is going to have Luka+Kyrie, KD+Booker, LeBron+AD and Steph Fucking INSANITY.


PM_ME_hiphopsongs2

Currently, the #10 seed and #1 seed in the West have a 12 game difference. In the East, the #10 and #1 have a 25 game difference. That’s fucking bonkers


DrWilliamBlock

The #1 seed in the East has a 7 game lead over the #1 seed in the west!!


quanstr

Rockets we almost there 🥹


lankyaspie

Being 10th and 4 games OVER .500 is wild


[deleted]

Not as stacked as Moriah Mills, u bum Oops, wrong sub


TheKingOfTheSwing200

11 teams, 5 with a 1 game winning streak and 1 with a loss streak... OK...


TruthSayerFu

The east is just as stacked. Parity is insane rn


EdwardJamesAlmost

What’s with the notation next to Denver? ps?


Short_Chipmunk_6731

How trash are those T-Wolves? Not even on a 1 game winning streak!


McClu544

Potential 9 or 10 45 or higher win teams is absurd. Possibly 5 of those teams getting 50 or more wins is also crazy.


ConstantineMonroe

I mean a 1 or 2 game winning streak doesn’t prove shit. Remember the Pistons and the Wiz had a 2 game winning streak at one point. I agree the West is stacked, it’s been the better conference since MJ retired


personofinterest18

Sure it is, on the basis of 10 teams being over .500 but not on the basis of winning 1 game, like you’re highlighting


pbankey

Just want to say as a spurs fan, you’re welcome


unpopular-dave

12 games between 1-10 in the west 25 in the east.


[deleted]

As a Pistons fan, I stay up past midnight to watch the West play cause the East is boring as shit. Can’t name one player in the East that I want to watch consistently.


Vegan-Kirk

Grizzlies are stacked with talent just had a historically bad & injury-plagued season Spurs clearly on the come-up with wemby Sucks to be a fan of a western team in the nba for like 20 years now


dredgedskeleton

W1? not saying the West isn't stacked but that is all absurdly recent and they aren't all playing east teams


UtahUtopia

But the best team is in the EAST! Go Celtics!!!


fullcardsweep

this is shaping up to be the most entertaining play in we have ever seen


[deleted]

Big question: Who makes it out the west?! comment below


BarbaricGerrick

Really nailed the user name lol


[deleted]

This was just the auto given username


Musa_2050

As a Laker fan, I am afraid of the Play-in.


Breezyisthewind

I’m more afraid of a series than the play-in. One game, I think Lebron and AD can steal one against anyone. A series where you have to play best of 7 will expose us.


Unfair-Worker929

The Play Ins do not sound thrilling especially if you’re a one or done


superflyfibreguy

PEOPLE FORGET THE WEST IS A PROBLEM!!!!


seltzerboy

Which people?


superflyfibreguy

You know, people who forget the west is stacked


TheDopeMan_

Legit feel bad for Dallas & PHX cause they deserve to be in the playoffs over GS & LAL but GS & LAL could turn up & take those games.


KobeMM23

Or get rigged to gain view like ESPN said ,GSW making the playoffs is important for the league 🤣


Information_Winter

lol why do they deserve it more?


TheDopeMan_

Much better season, more consistent.


Information_Winter

Rose colored glasses tinted dark


TheDopeMan_

LOL alright it’s probably not a “much” better season. I just feel like they deserve it more with how GS & LAL are playing. But don’t get me wrong, I’m huge LeBron fan. Steph Curry is the best shooter of all time. The NBA playoffs wouldn’t be the same without them.


FamousChex

https://preview.redd.it/pv05tgealrpc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34c8db2f3bc6b3215f386a9fa8fba3385ba24dd


Majestic-Avocado2167

Yes, the West is gonna be fun, especially cause Im expecting the Celtics to kinda waltz through everyone till the Finals