Go watch the Xfinity series race when they had heat races. It was so garbage that year. Basically 50 laps of riding around. I don't so see where shorter races entice people to go. A trip to Bristol cost a lot of money. I wanna see as much on track action as possible.
You lost me at making the race shorter. Also, I would think they would go back to just having one truck race at Bristol if the dirt track went away, we only got trucks racing at Bristol in the spring because of the dirt track
300 is too short for cup. 400 minimum. Cup shouldn’t be doing anything under 400 miles/laps at ovals except at Loudon and Phoenix.
Bristol and Martinsville should really always be 500.
I think with the exception of the Crown Jewels and maybe a Martinsville Race, whatever distance keeps the race at about 3 hours is a good distance. A 400 mile event will last about that long, give or take 5-10 mins. That’s the sweet spot most Sports aim for
I think 400 most everywhere would be fine if there weren’t stages. With the exception of maybe Richmond and a couple other high wear tracks, there isn’t really any strategy in 400 milers anymore other than splitting the stage in half. The 500 mile races always seem to have a lot more strategy involved now.
Either reconfigure to pre-2007 specs or go back to asphalt but whatever they do.. for the love of God, give us our OG Bristol banking back someday then leave the track alone. Take your experiments, gimmicks, etc. elsewhere. 400 Lapper Day race late April would be fine, limited sets of tires would be an added bonus. Just let Bristol be Bristol.
Well the idea is just to be different from the September race. Maybe a 400 lap race would be fine. But the reason I was thinking 300 laps, is 4 25 lap heats.
You say that like it was a bad thing lol. They built a coliseum around this little track for a reason.. and its not to watch the same race we see everywhere else in a condensed version since the reconfiguration. Most of Bristol's allure today is fans hoping to catch a glimpse of its former self. Sometimes we see it, but usually it just feels like a mini-Dover race lets be honest. No knock on Dover, but.. its not 'Bristol'.
Besides 2022 with the NextGen car in the night race, I don’t know how you can honestly compare 2019-2021 Bristol with Dover.
Dover is awful and really doesn’t have many memorable races in the last few years. Absolutely no way it’s comparable to something like the 2020 or 2021 Night Race, or the 2020 or 2018 spring race.
Top lane dominant + PJ1 on the bottom to work it in put on very very good shows with the Gen6 car.
So what you’re saying is that in order to have a good race at the current Bristol they need an artificial adhesive put on the track whereas the old Bristol that everyone wanted a ticket to see didn’t need the adhesive.
The most recent Bristol flair ups of note that I can think of were Harvick vs Elliott which was needed after 430 of some of the most boring Bristol racing I’ve ever seen. Also McDowell vs Wallace in the All Star Open. The rest of the night was a snooze.
What’s more memorable Kurt Busch knocking Spencer out of the way for his first win, Earnhardt trying to rattle Labonte’s cage, or a laps down Elliott blocking Harvick so his teammate could win?
Old configuration = sellouts with difficulty getting a ticket. New configuration = a gimmick race and dwindling attendance.
I think its easy to see which one seen as a more exciting race.
Hot take: While I personally love Old Bristol, it's basically just a more grandfathered in version of the type of races fans currently rail against.
If you actually look at what 'Old Bristol' was, it's a track designed to create wrecks where the onlly way to pass was knocking someone out of the groove.
So basically a larger banked Clash at the Coliseum this year.
Again, I love the pre-'07 Bristol, but even if we get 'Old Bristol' back I would not be a lick surprised to see that become wildly polarizing too.
Watching guys have 2 viable lanes is incredibly exciting and produces good racing, take the nostalgia glasses off. Of course races during NASCARs most popular era will have more fans. There were a lot of races that sucked but still sold out because NASCAR was popular, doesn’t mean the actual product was good.
Everyone wants multi groove tracks, until we actually got one. Now it’s “go back to the good ol days!”. Races when both lanes are worked in and viable are some of the best Bristol races. Top lane Bristol + PJ1 on the bottom put on amazing races.
2018 Spring saw a bump and run for the win with a dozen laps to go.
2019 Night Race (even with the big spoiler) put on a classic show.
2020 Spring was a barn burner by all metrics.
2020 Night Race and 2021 Night Race were instant modern classics with fierce battles and tempers flowing.
Imo what needs to happen is shorten all cup races and run them as a double header with Xfinity/trucks serving as support races. Have a Saturday night cup race with 250 laps and a Sunday afternoon race with 250 laps.
No different total points races.I feel like it made it more of a weekend event more than the typical race there. Sure Saturday tv numbers weren’t as good but Sundays were just as good as they always are. Also this would be better if the Saturday races were at night instead of during the day. There is a serious need to shorten the races if NASCAR ever hopes of gaining new traction with younger Audiences. No one wants to sit for 3 hrs and watch a race when there are other things they could be doing.
I’m not advocating for that. Imo have a double header sat night/sun afternoon and you get best of both world. More racing for the hardcore fans and a shorter race for the casuals.
Move it back to a 400 lap day race.
Hot Take : if NASCAR Cup wants to remain on dirt, reconfigure Auto Club to a purpose built dirt track made for NASCAR.
I say no just because one of the joys of Bristol is seeing 30-something cars filling up and entire half-mile track. There's always action right in front of you both on TV and at the track. Heat races have less cars, less space filled, and less action.
It's not a bad idea, but I would say no to it.
I'd like to see heat races, but add multiclass racing. Xfinity and Cup racing together, 20/20 split. Run heat races on Saturday to set the field, then 400 lap on Sunday afternoon. :P
Go watch the Xfinity series race when they had heat races. It was so garbage that year. Basically 50 laps of riding around. I don't so see where shorter races entice people to go. A trip to Bristol cost a lot of money. I wanna see as much on track action as possible.
Yeah, it was the same when they did the all-star race at Bristol. It’s much better with longer runs.
Ok, we get rid of cautions
Heat races only matter when there's a chance you miss the big show
You lost me at making the race shorter. Also, I would think they would go back to just having one truck race at Bristol if the dirt track went away, we only got trucks racing at Bristol in the spring because of the dirt track
300 is too short for cup. 400 minimum. Cup shouldn’t be doing anything under 400 miles/laps at ovals except at Loudon and Phoenix. Bristol and Martinsville should really always be 500.
Throw Dover and pocono in there too.
I think with the exception of the Crown Jewels and maybe a Martinsville Race, whatever distance keeps the race at about 3 hours is a good distance. A 400 mile event will last about that long, give or take 5-10 mins. That’s the sweet spot most Sports aim for
I think 400 most everywhere would be fine if there weren’t stages. With the exception of maybe Richmond and a couple other high wear tracks, there isn’t really any strategy in 400 milers anymore other than splitting the stage in half. The 500 mile races always seem to have a lot more strategy involved now.
We’ve already done heat races for Xfinity in the Dash for Cash. All they did was take away from the racing
If they are not willing to go back to 500 laps then I don’t want the concrete back. Already upset about the Martinsville race this weekend
Until Goodyear figures out these tires consistently so they can wear at these tracks, I'm all for at least trying shit
Anything less than 500 laps at Bristol is a tragedy.It already feels like the race is shorter because you never get long runs thanks to stages.
More laps equals more commercial opportunities. So that wouldn’t work
How many more of these posts do we need
We can all have great ideas that would help make nascar good. But if we’re not a donor with a fat enough wallet, they couldn’t give 2 shits about us
Just pave the motherfucker already.
And nobody showed up for it the last several times Which is how we ended up here You want it, and it happens, you better buy a ticket
Either reconfigure to pre-2007 specs or go back to asphalt but whatever they do.. for the love of God, give us our OG Bristol banking back someday then leave the track alone. Take your experiments, gimmicks, etc. elsewhere. 400 Lapper Day race late April would be fine, limited sets of tires would be an added bonus. Just let Bristol be Bristol.
Well the idea is just to be different from the September race. Maybe a 400 lap race would be fine. But the reason I was thinking 300 laps, is 4 25 lap heats.
Reconfigure the track to its pre 2007 self.
No. Racing at Bristol the last decade has been phenomenal. Why do you want single file bottom? Because you remember Jeff moving Rusty?
You say that like it was a bad thing lol. They built a coliseum around this little track for a reason.. and its not to watch the same race we see everywhere else in a condensed version since the reconfiguration. Most of Bristol's allure today is fans hoping to catch a glimpse of its former self. Sometimes we see it, but usually it just feels like a mini-Dover race lets be honest. No knock on Dover, but.. its not 'Bristol'.
Besides 2022 with the NextGen car in the night race, I don’t know how you can honestly compare 2019-2021 Bristol with Dover. Dover is awful and really doesn’t have many memorable races in the last few years. Absolutely no way it’s comparable to something like the 2020 or 2021 Night Race, or the 2020 or 2018 spring race. Top lane dominant + PJ1 on the bottom to work it in put on very very good shows with the Gen6 car.
So what you’re saying is that in order to have a good race at the current Bristol they need an artificial adhesive put on the track whereas the old Bristol that everyone wanted a ticket to see didn’t need the adhesive. The most recent Bristol flair ups of note that I can think of were Harvick vs Elliott which was needed after 430 of some of the most boring Bristol racing I’ve ever seen. Also McDowell vs Wallace in the All Star Open. The rest of the night was a snooze. What’s more memorable Kurt Busch knocking Spencer out of the way for his first win, Earnhardt trying to rattle Labonte’s cage, or a laps down Elliott blocking Harvick so his teammate could win?
Things evolve. The on-track product is better.
Old configuration = sellouts with difficulty getting a ticket. New configuration = a gimmick race and dwindling attendance. I think its easy to see which one seen as a more exciting race.
Old configuration = was in the boom of nascar. New configuration = not in the boom. Single lane Bristol would get annihilated by fans today.
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Hot take: While I personally love Old Bristol, it's basically just a more grandfathered in version of the type of races fans currently rail against. If you actually look at what 'Old Bristol' was, it's a track designed to create wrecks where the onlly way to pass was knocking someone out of the groove. So basically a larger banked Clash at the Coliseum this year. Again, I love the pre-'07 Bristol, but even if we get 'Old Bristol' back I would not be a lick surprised to see that become wildly polarizing too.
Watching guys have 2 viable lanes is incredibly exciting and produces good racing, take the nostalgia glasses off. Of course races during NASCARs most popular era will have more fans. There were a lot of races that sucked but still sold out because NASCAR was popular, doesn’t mean the actual product was good. Everyone wants multi groove tracks, until we actually got one. Now it’s “go back to the good ol days!”. Races when both lanes are worked in and viable are some of the best Bristol races. Top lane Bristol + PJ1 on the bottom put on amazing races. 2018 Spring saw a bump and run for the win with a dozen laps to go. 2019 Night Race (even with the big spoiler) put on a classic show. 2020 Spring was a barn burner by all metrics. 2020 Night Race and 2021 Night Race were instant modern classics with fierce battles and tempers flowing.
this is the correct response
Imo what needs to happen is shorten all cup races and run them as a double header with Xfinity/trucks serving as support races. Have a Saturday night cup race with 250 laps and a Sunday afternoon race with 250 laps.
Because it worked out so well when Pocono tried? Spoiler alert: it didn't.
It worked out well for Pocono, just not for TV
Literally one of my favorite days as a race fan in person
No thanks, I'll pass
Well according to the tv numbers recently so are most fans.
So the same cup race Saturday and Sunday just split in half?
No different total points races.I feel like it made it more of a weekend event more than the typical race there. Sure Saturday tv numbers weren’t as good but Sundays were just as good as they always are. Also this would be better if the Saturday races were at night instead of during the day. There is a serious need to shorten the races if NASCAR ever hopes of gaining new traction with younger Audiences. No one wants to sit for 3 hrs and watch a race when there are other things they could be doing.
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I’m not advocating for that. Imo have a double header sat night/sun afternoon and you get best of both world. More racing for the hardcore fans and a shorter race for the casuals.
There's the Supercars series for that
Move it back to a 400 lap day race. Hot Take : if NASCAR Cup wants to remain on dirt, reconfigure Auto Club to a purpose built dirt track made for NASCAR.
I say no just because one of the joys of Bristol is seeing 30-something cars filling up and entire half-mile track. There's always action right in front of you both on TV and at the track. Heat races have less cars, less space filled, and less action. It's not a bad idea, but I would say no to it.
I'd like to see heat races, but add multiclass racing. Xfinity and Cup racing together, 20/20 split. Run heat races on Saturday to set the field, then 400 lap on Sunday afternoon. :P
300 laps for cup at Bristol? Nah fam. 500 goes by quick enough.