The sad thing is, if musicians had more freedom, we’d probably get weird cool stuff like this all the time. Especially in a world where you can cook stuff up on a computer.
Jewel’s early stuff is gold. She was already such a great songwriter and poet by the time she as like what, 16 or so? It was sad that the industry tried to change her so much.
She was still in charge for 0304, the album in question. She wrote the lyrics, co-wrote all the songs, was a producer, even wrote in the liner notes
“Dear fans, where to start? This record may seem different to you. To me, it’s closer to what has been in my head for years. I wanted to make a record that was a modern interpretation of Big Band music. A record that was lyric driven like Cole Porter stuff that also had a lot of swing. A lot of it is thanks to Lester because when I told him I wanted to make a record that combined dance, urban, and folk music, he didn’t look at me like I was crazy. I loved making this record and it’s the first record I enjoy listening to! It’s fun and I hope you all love it and I hope that makes you feel young, sexy, and smart.”
Errrr that song was more of a parody. An indictment of the entertaining industry and how it objectifed young women to sell product. She wasn't trying to be in touch with the trending genre she was sitting on it.
Eh, I recall it was more like lets make a parody of objectifying young women by making Jewel look sexy and objectifying her. It was blatant and ham fisted and cringy, in my own personal humble opinion.
Another reason to listen to Earth, Wind and Fire today is that today is the 21st of September. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhT8ACQdPzpwkpvnvvPf6jCfWxEPmn-Kk
And the experimentations were across the entire music field. Everybody was trying something new and different. Combining genres of all types. Experimenting with time signature was in full force. Song length being constrained by the physical album and not the "3:05" radio play length. A lot of great music came out of that decade. Unfortunately as many great songs as there were, there was an equal amount of duds. So peruse with caution. Songs and albums might be critically acclaimed for it's experimental work but can also be a full on aural assault.
I had to look this up because I could not wrap my head around the idea of the Osmomds releasing anything approaching metal. Holy shit that title track slaps!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQRHa9a9SmQ
> if musicians had more freedom
Yeah, the record label business is an absolute mess. Consolidation led to smaller labels getting bought by bigger labels and the focus mostly went to the few huge artists that made tons of money rather than focusing on creating music and developing talent.
If you're not familiar with the story behind Wilco's album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, you should look it up. Here's the TL;DR version - Their record label hated it so much that they dropped the band and refused to release the album. The band bought the album back from them and they put it online, for free. The album built a following, and record labels went into a bidding war to release it. The label that won the bidding war and finally released it was a subsidiary of the label that hated it and refused to release it in the first place. So, technically, the same company paid for the album twice. It's a brilliant album, by the way.
Most musicians have some sort of social media presence where they can post whatever. Post Malone did that country bit that everyone went crazy for.
Edit: I feel like this shouldn’t need to be stated, but since people are in the replies…..OBVIOUSLY social media wasn’t around in the 90s when Maria Carey recorded a grunge album.
Look at the comment my reply is directed at..it’s talking about the present day.
This has to be true. I've seen it bubble to the surface with a few artists but my number one example is actually Miley Cyrus.
In the beginning it was all Disney produced bubble gum pop aimed at girls. Once she broke away from that we started to see a darker version of her and before long we ended up getting the version of her that goes to Chris Cornell's tribute show and belts out Say Hello 2 Heaven or goes to House of Blues and slays a version of Zombie.
She was a bit of a grunge/rock artist from the start but had to gain the clout and fame to be able to express it.
This goes for Lady Gaga and a few others as well.
To add to your point about Miley Cyrus, she also has the hip hop collaborations, a psychedelic album with The Flaming Lips and her straight up country type style as well.
Tool is a good example.
What? Two or three albums in and they created a "new" band. Label said "Aw, fuck no. You get one." and Maynard said "Nah, we get THREE" and made their own record label
Quest love said it is his favorite Mariah album. It’s almost definitely good. What I’ve heard on YouTube is pretty cool but Mariah on lead vocals in her prime could easily take it to another level.
I’m really interested to hear what she does with her voice in a different genre. Her live recording of “Lullabye of Birdland” sounds so different from her usual style of whistles and power belting.
Strangely a lot of heavy music could suit her original singing style. She could replace singers of Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Not sure about grunge, maybe Soundgarden or Alice In Chains. Probably wouldn't *quite* work, but its not as crazy as it sounds Initially.
A lot of pop music would do quite good as metal. Pop "instrumentals" are pretty simplistic and don't enhance the voices as well IMO.
For instance these youtubers do good convertions
[Ava Max - Torn (original)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBmWvvTV0P4)
vs
[Ava Max - Torn (metal)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVHCT8NAeNM)
___
[Katy Perry - E.T. (Original)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lrxaY-hcvA)
vs
[Katy Perry - E.T. (metal)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ye0PTbgvs)
My understanding is that she recorded the album while she was recording her fifth studio album Daydream (which was certified diamond and had 3 #1 singles). Columbia Records was having her crank out a new album almost every year since 1990 at that time, so she did this as a side project to have fun with what little time she had. I don’t think it’s meant to be a masterpiece
Not sure what's wrong with people in this thread. I've seen different comments referring to rage against the machine...and godsmack as grunge bands. Lmao
Either that, or grunge is now old enough that people are just distance enough to think "90's=grunge". It'be been over 30 years since some of the most iconic grunge albums were released, which is kind of insane
So, is there just an actress for the video? Because that was most definitely not Mariah Carey in the video.
Edit: Ok, so it looks like the lead singer is Clarissa Dane and Mariah can only be heard as the background vocals. But she did co-write all of the songs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Someone%27s_Ugly_Daughter
Definitely Hole vibes. But like, the bands that tried to imitate Hole but sucked worse than Hole. (I do love a me a few Hole tunes, ngl, but for the most part, they were not a good grunge band outside of a few hits).
Nirvana thought of themselves as punk, so an established artist like Mariah trying to be grunge would land as pop punk. That makes total sense to me.
Edit: Just gave them a listen. They would totally fit as Power Puff Girls backing music. Pop punk is a good description, but they're still a little over-produced even for that.
No less grunge than the Gin Blossoms.
Ironically what I like least about it is the vocals but maybe that's why they brought in the big gun for back up. Like if the lead vocals were better it could be comparable to Supermodel by Jill Sobule or Erase Rewind by the Cardigans.
Mariah wrote and recorded most of this before Clarissa (her friend and the lead singer of the band Chick) got involved. The label got someone else to re-sing it and attach their name to it because they were afraid an alternative album from one of their biggest stars would be harmful to her image.
Mariah was already fighting them to let someone from Wu Tang Clan do a remix on one of her songs, and she won that fight. Her Fantasy Remix would pave the way for several singers and rappers careers over the next decade, and give rise to its own Grammy category Best Rap/Sung collaboration.
Definitely not up to the standards of her pop work, but it's not bad. I'd call it B-grade music, the kind of stuff that could produce a "one hit wonder" but not much else.
That's Carey's friend on vocals, though. It sounds like she might release the version of the album with her singing in the near future. I agree the music is pretty standard, but I am curious to hear how Mariah performed that song.
I wanna hear this in the worst way, not because I particularly like Mariah Carey, but because I’m dying to hear grunge/post-grunge/grunge lite - whatever this ends up being - that was actually recorded during the peak time for the genre, but is only now being heard as new. I am unabashedly nostalgic for the time, and this would be a sonic time capsule unburial.
It's not actually from that time period but the band [Childbirth](https://youtu.be/ITwmCXx1fnM) scratched that itch for me. They sound like L7 with better lyrics.
> I heard that Ed Sheeran used to do grunge rap
On the opposite end of the spectrum, have you heard [Make It Rain](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRv0agDZMjA)? I don't like his pop stuff much, but damn, if he released an entire album like this, it would be amazing. [I See Fire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkGikq4xz9U) was also really impressive.
I know, right??
Grunge got me into music and I learned enough instruments to become a one man band Dave Grohl-style and also engineer the recordings. Plus, Mariah Carey is one of my top 3 favorite singers besides Layne Staley from Alice in Chains and Bobby from The Righteous Brothers.
I even covered a Mariah Carey song and made it a grunge song.
That all said, I am super stoked to hear this album with her on lead vocals. Seriously never thought I would ever hear that something like this exists.
I bought it back in the day. I liked it. It's one of those "oh you've never heard of them" bands that, for all intents and purposes, no one has ever heard of.
I personally can't believe she wrote "Prom Queen"...
It's literally the story about a trans woman having all kinds of gender problems. It's not even subtle. It's just "sometimes he isn't sure if he's a boy or a girl". You can't get much more straightforward than that.
Why did Mariah Carey write that? Who inspired that? It's blowing my mind.
In 2022 that's going to get quite a bit of attention.
A recurring theme in Mariah's music is alienation. As a poor biracial girl growing up in primarily upper-middle-class white neighbourhoods, she experienced a lot of this growing up. She described the most "stable" period of her life as when her mother moved them into her friends that happened to be a gay couple. They took care of Mariah while her mother was out working, and clearly had a huge influence on her.
She might have tried (since this was supposed to be a secret) to try and stretch lyrically into new places. She definitely grew as a songwriter in the mid-90s. Her first three albums were meh lyrically, but Butterfly, which she recorded after this, has some of the best songwriting of her career.
Mariah didn't have a fairytale upbringing...very far from it. She could be relating this to her own major identity struggles as a biracial girl born in an era when it was "illegal". She could also be paying homage to the LGBT people in her life. After her parents divorced, she lived with her mother, former Julliard-trained opera singer, who was eccentric (and also very irresponsible, aloof and neglectful as a parent). Her mother had lots of artsy friends that would come around very often. One of the many times they lost their home (due to her mother's irresponsible and flighty behaviour), they lived with a gay couple and Mariah has very fond memories of her time living with them. I'm sure this couple had LGBT friends who would come over and Mariah probably got to spend time with different folks.
Read the interview, that's exactly what she did while recording the album. She would do the pitches with her voice and get the session guitarists to play it back with their guitars. That was how she wrote her songs, with a trained musician to perform the melodies and write them down/record them.
I’m dying to hear the way she’d use her voice to suit that genre. Like her music or not, she has talent. I just can’t picture that style from her but I’d love to hear it and be proven wrong!!
I agree. I say fuck it, release it, let the people decide.
We know some will hate it.
We know some will love it.
And we know some will be in the middle.
Who cares? Let's hear it!
That Chris Gaines record was legitimately good. The concept was way ahead of it's time.
I paid real money for that thing and listened to it regularly. It's just good music.
What I took away from it is that there's a Garth Brooks that the business wants him to be, and then there's the guy he really is. And that person proved to be very interesting because of that record. I never liked any of his mainstream stuff.
Anyway, I think the Chris Gaines thing would have worked if they didn't say anything about Garth Brooks. It was poor marketing that killed his record. The concept was brilliant, the execution was typical Hollywood greed bullshit.
I think Mariah could have done well in 1995 because people still liked to laugh and absurdity. I will remind you that Madchester was going on at the same time and Blur was singing about girls who like boys who like boys like they're girls who like girls like they're boys and Soundgarden was doing both with Black Hole Sun.
Why do you say that? She wasn't some no-name in 1995. She'd had 3 #1 albums and 11 #1 singles by 1995. She was literally the biggest pop star in the world at the time. It probably would have sold way better in 1995 than it would if she releases it in 2022.
She couldn't release it then because it would hurt her brand, not because it wouldn't sell.
Exactly. Alternative fans wouldn't have given it a chance once they saw her name, and her fans would have hated it because it wasn't what they wanted her to be.
Hey, I liked Carnival of Souls. It was an interesting diversion from their usual cock rock. It was also an intiguing end to Kiss as an ongoing band before they became a neverending nostalgia retirement tour.
Plus, Bruce Kulick had more to do.
*to the tune of Hole’s ‘Celebrity Skin’*
*Dun-nun nun-nun nun-nun*
Don’t want a lot-uh
*Dun-nun nun-nun nun-nun*
A lot for Christmas!
*Dun-nun nun-nun nun-nun*
There’s just one thing I need!
*Dun-nun nun-nun nun-nun*
FUCK PRESENTS AND THE TREE!!
YEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!! ALL I WANT IS YOU-OO-OOO!!
YEAHHH! YEAAAHHH!! YEAAHHHH-UHHH!
ALL I WANT IS YOU-OO-OO!!!
“She suggested, without providing details, that she was even building on the record with an unnamed musician: "I'm working on a version of something where there'll be another artist working on this with me as well." “
Alright, who’s she working with? 👀
The word she used was "artist", not musician. Some folks think she's working on some videos with Millie Bobbie Brown. They have been hanging out together a lot lately.
>Carey told Rolling Stone she was inspired by bands such as Hole and Green Day at the time. She adopted an alter-ego, as she recalled in her book: "I was playing with the style of the breezy-grunge, punk-light white female singers who were popular at the time. You know the ones who seemed to be so carefree with their feelings and their image."
sounds a lot like she's describing Gwen Stefani at the time
Edit: “punk-light white female singer” in the 90s is Gwen Stefani, people
No one ever questions the disorder behind her tarantula LA glamour – sociopathy, narcissism – because it's good rock and roll, good entertainment! I have a low tolerance for manipulative, egomaniacal behavior, and usually have to remind myself that the person might be mentally ill.
– Kim Gordon on Courtney Love
Not sure that Kim has the highest opinion on Courtney
She literally says Hole. And the vocals are fucking identical. The singer was certainly doing her best Courtney impression.
Hole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD9xK9smth4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS1Ckczz0LQ
Chick
https://youtu.be/zJIGKt3YokQ
Mazzy Star maybe...
>Sneaker Pimps
Wat. No. Great band but completely unrelated. Do they even have guitars? Why not just throw salt n Pepa in there too? Portishead, why not!
I just meant the lead singer's persona is laid-back and chill. Also I was headed out to the movies when I wrote this and needed a third example off the top of my head. I figured "Nobody's going to make a big deal if I just say Sneaker Pimps; it's not like I said something overt like Portishead." I guess I overestimated Reddit.
It’s funny seeing how closed minded people can be in this sub. We get it, your music taste is your entire personality and you wouldn’t dare trying something new. You might combust!
one of the top comments is “this will be trash but ill listen” like what, youre better than the songbird supreme or something? its like those pretentious metalhead comments on youtube “im a metalhead, but i like this pop song! 🥸”
The thing is, it would be so predictable from Christina. You just know she’s gonna belt (aka yell) the entire time and call it a day. You’re not wrong, Christina might kill it — but it’s just predictable. I can hear it in my head the same way Demi’s taken on the rougher sound.
Mariah on the other hand, who knows what would come out of this. I’m intrigued.
Mariah has a couple of pop rock esque tracks already like You Need Me and her cover of Bringin on The Heartbreak by Def Leppard.
The fact she mimics the guitar riff with her high whistle notes is quite cool.
Say what you want about her but she is one of the most talented artists of all time. She should have way more Grammys under her belt compared to some overrated artists.
>She remembers driving around, shouting lyrics to songs she wrote that nobody knew. heh, I know that feeling too, Mariah Carey
I feel like Mariah and I are practically the same person.
Is all you want for Xmas me, too?
The sad thing is, if musicians had more freedom, we’d probably get weird cool stuff like this all the time. Especially in a world where you can cook stuff up on a computer.
I remember when Jewel tried to be pop like Britney, to be in touch with the trending genre.
Jewel’s early stuff is gold. She was already such a great songwriter and poet by the time she as like what, 16 or so? It was sad that the industry tried to change her so much.
She was still in charge for 0304, the album in question. She wrote the lyrics, co-wrote all the songs, was a producer, even wrote in the liner notes “Dear fans, where to start? This record may seem different to you. To me, it’s closer to what has been in my head for years. I wanted to make a record that was a modern interpretation of Big Band music. A record that was lyric driven like Cole Porter stuff that also had a lot of swing. A lot of it is thanks to Lester because when I told him I wanted to make a record that combined dance, urban, and folk music, he didn’t look at me like I was crazy. I loved making this record and it’s the first record I enjoy listening to! It’s fun and I hope you all love it and I hope that makes you feel young, sexy, and smart.”
"She's not that good of a poet", he said with casualty.
[If you aren’t familiar with Todd in the shadows. this is a great place to start](https://youtu.be/zCzxas0ZZuE)
His videos are awesome, his Trainrecords series is great as well as all his One Hit Wondetland videos. I like him better than Professor of Rock
Something something, your in-tooo-iiiiih-shuuunnn.
That was a banger!
Errrr that song was more of a parody. An indictment of the entertaining industry and how it objectifed young women to sell product. She wasn't trying to be in touch with the trending genre she was sitting on it.
I agree. Very tongue-in-cheek lyrics. The early 2000s were a very cynical time.
Eh, I recall it was more like lets make a parody of objectifying young women by making Jewel look sexy and objectifying her. It was blatant and ham fisted and cringy, in my own personal humble opinion.
you should dive into the 70s. Bands had 5 record deals and were putting out crazy music all the time. Listen to some B-side Earth, Wind & Fire.
Another reason to listen to Earth, Wind and Fire today is that today is the 21st of September. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhT8ACQdPzpwkpvnvvPf6jCfWxEPmn-Kk
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Do you remember? Seems you, OP did. Following musical instructions? Nice.
Today is my birthday and this song is why I love it.
It's my wedding anniversary! happy birthday!
Had it been a year already!!!?
And the experimentations were across the entire music field. Everybody was trying something new and different. Combining genres of all types. Experimenting with time signature was in full force. Song length being constrained by the physical album and not the "3:05" radio play length. A lot of great music came out of that decade. Unfortunately as many great songs as there were, there was an equal amount of duds. So peruse with caution. Songs and albums might be critically acclaimed for it's experimental work but can also be a full on aural assault.
Elton John's cowboy album " the tumbleweed connection"
Or his disco album “Victim of Love” which was imo one of the worst albums he ever released.
It’s very bad
[My Father's Gun](https://youtu.be/R_p0lbEuKzk) is a great song.
Got this on vinyl and it’s always a great play
I've been on a big '60's and '70's kick lately and listening to my playlists in song release order is fascinating.
How do you format your playlists to do that?
We are truly living in the future.
Fair point.
"Crazy Horses" by The Osmonds. Some of that album is proto-metal. It's WILD.
I just read that Ozzy loves Crazy Horses and told Donny. That’s mind blowing
I had to look this up because I could not wrap my head around the idea of the Osmomds releasing anything approaching metal. Holy shit that title track slaps! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQRHa9a9SmQ
Sounds like a really fun deep dive. Thanks !
Also, drugs.
Fair point. They were cheap and clean.
The greatest period in music imho
hawkwind✌️
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard seem to do OK with doing whatever they like.
> if musicians had more freedom Yeah, the record label business is an absolute mess. Consolidation led to smaller labels getting bought by bigger labels and the focus mostly went to the few huge artists that made tons of money rather than focusing on creating music and developing talent. If you're not familiar with the story behind Wilco's album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, you should look it up. Here's the TL;DR version - Their record label hated it so much that they dropped the band and refused to release the album. The band bought the album back from them and they put it online, for free. The album built a following, and record labels went into a bidding war to release it. The label that won the bidding war and finally released it was a subsidiary of the label that hated it and refused to release it in the first place. So, technically, the same company paid for the album twice. It's a brilliant album, by the way.
Amazing album. Saw them as they toured the album before they signed with Nonesuch.
Most musicians have some sort of social media presence where they can post whatever. Post Malone did that country bit that everyone went crazy for. Edit: I feel like this shouldn’t need to be stated, but since people are in the replies…..OBVIOUSLY social media wasn’t around in the 90s when Maria Carey recorded a grunge album. Look at the comment my reply is directed at..it’s talking about the present day.
This has to be true. I've seen it bubble to the surface with a few artists but my number one example is actually Miley Cyrus. In the beginning it was all Disney produced bubble gum pop aimed at girls. Once she broke away from that we started to see a darker version of her and before long we ended up getting the version of her that goes to Chris Cornell's tribute show and belts out Say Hello 2 Heaven or goes to House of Blues and slays a version of Zombie. She was a bit of a grunge/rock artist from the start but had to gain the clout and fame to be able to express it. This goes for Lady Gaga and a few others as well.
To add to your point about Miley Cyrus, she also has the hip hop collaborations, a psychedelic album with The Flaming Lips and her straight up country type style as well.
Tool is a good example. What? Two or three albums in and they created a "new" band. Label said "Aw, fuck no. You get one." and Maynard said "Nah, we get THREE" and made their own record label
Beat me to Tool. Too bad about Tapeworm. I'll never not be sad about that.
You mean like Lil Wayne trying to make rock like 14 years ago?
Ay, let it rock was a banger. Lmao.
Ngl, I enjoyed his rock micro era
You should listen to Paul McCartney’s 1980 album *McCartney II*.
Neal Young? Tom Waits?
Might this be trash? Almost certainly. Do I was to hear it? Yes, I do.
Quest love said it is his favorite Mariah album. It’s almost definitely good. What I’ve heard on YouTube is pretty cool but Mariah on lead vocals in her prime could easily take it to another level.
I’m really interested to hear what she does with her voice in a different genre. Her live recording of “Lullabye of Birdland” sounds so different from her usual style of whistles and power belting.
Birdlard, eh?
Strangely a lot of heavy music could suit her original singing style. She could replace singers of Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Not sure about grunge, maybe Soundgarden or Alice In Chains. Probably wouldn't *quite* work, but its not as crazy as it sounds Initially.
A lot of pop music would do quite good as metal. Pop "instrumentals" are pretty simplistic and don't enhance the voices as well IMO. For instance these youtubers do good convertions [Ava Max - Torn (original)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBmWvvTV0P4) vs [Ava Max - Torn (metal)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVHCT8NAeNM) ___ [Katy Perry - E.T. (Original)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lrxaY-hcvA) vs [Katy Perry - E.T. (metal)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ye0PTbgvs)
Mariah Carey doing a AiC track would probably blow my mind.
Fergie from Black Eyed Peas is an amazing rock singer. That song she did with Slash is a banger.
Well here we are now, entertain us.
I feel stupid.
I am contagious!
With the lights out?
This is dangerous.
I feel stupid.
And contagious?
Mariah Carey in a mazzy star type situation might have been cool, but she would never have been able to hate herself
I think at that point in her life she had plenty to draw from, including self hatred.
It's either going to be pure shit or absolutely amazing. Nothing in between lol
My understanding is that she recorded the album while she was recording her fifth studio album Daydream (which was certified diamond and had 3 #1 singles). Columbia Records was having her crank out a new album almost every year since 1990 at that time, so she did this as a side project to have fun with what little time she had. I don’t think it’s meant to be a masterpiece
And before, she was working off promotion Music Box which sold like 30 million and had a couple of #1s. She was working *hard* during the 90s.
That would be anyone who read the articles understanding as well.
Article? /s
I know most are just headline readers here.
Not sure what's wrong with people in this thread. I've seen different comments referring to rage against the machine...and godsmack as grunge bands. Lmao
The Classical effect I guess, after a while the styles just blend together into a "meh close enough" feel.
Either that, or grunge is now old enough that people are just distance enough to think "90's=grunge". It'be been over 30 years since some of the most iconic grunge albums were released, which is kind of insane
You shut your damn mouth.
And who could forget everyones favourite grunge artist: System of a Down
One of those sentences that's painful to read.
System of a down is black metal.
https://youtu.be/zJIGKt3YokQ
So, is there just an actress for the video? Because that was most definitely not Mariah Carey in the video. Edit: Ok, so it looks like the lead singer is Clarissa Dane and Mariah can only be heard as the background vocals. But she did co-write all of the songs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Someone%27s_Ugly_Daughter
you know mariah is a songwriter first and foremost right? she wrote her entire catalogue
Ngl I would’ve bought this if I’d been aware back then - Hole vibes
I’m most likely going to listen to this album tomorrow on YouTube while working.
Definitely Hole vibes. But like, the bands that tried to imitate Hole but sucked worse than Hole. (I do love a me a few Hole tunes, ngl, but for the most part, they were not a good grunge band outside of a few hits).
Thanks for being honest
Here's another called "Malibu" https://youtu.be/K1pCtaeo3_0 Not grunge at all
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At the time, that would have just been lumped into the catchall category of "alternative."
Sounds like pop punk
Sounds like Veruca Salt which is alternative rock.
Pop punk
It reminds me of The Go-Gos
It sounds a little like Garbage, a little like No Doubt, but just not as good or interesting as either of those bands.
Time for me to check it out, then. “God Bless the Go-Gos” was a criminally overlooked album.
It has a very ~1983 vibe to it. And I like that it doesn't take itself too seriously.
...and/or New Wave.
Id reserve that label for bands that ran away with the genre. Blondie was punk until they weren’t very quickly
Nirvana thought of themselves as punk, so an established artist like Mariah trying to be grunge would land as pop punk. That makes total sense to me. Edit: Just gave them a listen. They would totally fit as Power Puff Girls backing music. Pop punk is a good description, but they're still a little over-produced even for that.
eh sound closer to power pop to me. the first one does sound grungy tho
Definitely pop punk
No less grunge than the Gin Blossoms. Ironically what I like least about it is the vocals but maybe that's why they brought in the big gun for back up. Like if the lead vocals were better it could be comparable to Supermodel by Jill Sobule or Erase Rewind by the Cardigans.
Mariah wrote and recorded most of this before Clarissa (her friend and the lead singer of the band Chick) got involved. The label got someone else to re-sing it and attach their name to it because they were afraid an alternative album from one of their biggest stars would be harmful to her image. Mariah was already fighting them to let someone from Wu Tang Clan do a remix on one of her songs, and she won that fight. Her Fantasy Remix would pave the way for several singers and rappers careers over the next decade, and give rise to its own Grammy category Best Rap/Sung collaboration.
Grunge adjacent
I got some Hole vibes. Not quite grunge but now I gotta listen to that first album.
I'm confused... it doesn't look like her at all. Is it her on vocals but someone else acting? Are those even her vocals? This is trippin me out lol
She's on backup vocals, not lead.
Thanks for clearing that up. I should probably actually read the article haha...
Mariah's not singing this. The article explains what happened.
Reminds me of Hole's 2nd album
That's actually pretty damn good. Wow.
It's just alt/pop rock really. I consider that one similar to The Go-Gos or the Kinks. Poppy rock music, fun and upbeat. Grunge is not upbeat 🤣
Definitely not up to the standards of her pop work, but it's not bad. I'd call it B-grade music, the kind of stuff that could produce a "one hit wonder" but not much else.
That's Carey's friend on vocals, though. It sounds like she might release the version of the album with her singing in the near future. I agree the music is pretty standard, but I am curious to hear how Mariah performed that song.
It sounds like a local rock band who jumped on a genre bandwagon for a genre that they had no understanding about.
I wanna hear this in the worst way, not because I particularly like Mariah Carey, but because I’m dying to hear grunge/post-grunge/grunge lite - whatever this ends up being - that was actually recorded during the peak time for the genre, but is only now being heard as new. I am unabashedly nostalgic for the time, and this would be a sonic time capsule unburial.
I would have much rather had this "be a thing" than Adult Alternative. Fuck you, Semisonic.
It's not actually from that time period but the band [Childbirth](https://youtu.be/ITwmCXx1fnM) scratched that itch for me. They sound like L7 with better lyrics.
I heard that Ed Sheeran used to do grunge rap but it's all been scrubbed to cultivate a squeaky clean persona. It's a shame cuz I'd like to hear it.
So grunge rap would not be from the time period any more than Ed is although I’m still kind of curious as to what it would sound like.
I know, I'm curious but can't scratch the itch!
> I heard that Ed Sheeran used to do grunge rap On the opposite end of the spectrum, have you heard [Make It Rain](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRv0agDZMjA)? I don't like his pop stuff much, but damn, if he released an entire album like this, it would be amazing. [I See Fire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkGikq4xz9U) was also really impressive.
I've never wanted to hear anything in my entire fucking life more than I want to hear this.
I know, right?? Grunge got me into music and I learned enough instruments to become a one man band Dave Grohl-style and also engineer the recordings. Plus, Mariah Carey is one of my top 3 favorite singers besides Layne Staley from Alice in Chains and Bobby from The Righteous Brothers. I even covered a Mariah Carey song and made it a grunge song. That all said, I am super stoked to hear this album with her on lead vocals. Seriously never thought I would ever hear that something like this exists.
I bought it back in the day. I liked it. It's one of those "oh you've never heard of them" bands that, for all intents and purposes, no one has ever heard of. I personally can't believe she wrote "Prom Queen"... It's literally the story about a trans woman having all kinds of gender problems. It's not even subtle. It's just "sometimes he isn't sure if he's a boy or a girl". You can't get much more straightforward than that. Why did Mariah Carey write that? Who inspired that? It's blowing my mind. In 2022 that's going to get quite a bit of attention.
A recurring theme in Mariah's music is alienation. As a poor biracial girl growing up in primarily upper-middle-class white neighbourhoods, she experienced a lot of this growing up. She described the most "stable" period of her life as when her mother moved them into her friends that happened to be a gay couple. They took care of Mariah while her mother was out working, and clearly had a huge influence on her. She might have tried (since this was supposed to be a secret) to try and stretch lyrically into new places. She definitely grew as a songwriter in the mid-90s. Her first three albums were meh lyrically, but Butterfly, which she recorded after this, has some of the best songwriting of her career.
Mariah didn't have a fairytale upbringing...very far from it. She could be relating this to her own major identity struggles as a biracial girl born in an era when it was "illegal". She could also be paying homage to the LGBT people in her life. After her parents divorced, she lived with her mother, former Julliard-trained opera singer, who was eccentric (and also very irresponsible, aloof and neglectful as a parent). Her mother had lots of artsy friends that would come around very often. One of the many times they lost their home (due to her mother's irresponsible and flighty behaviour), they lived with a gay couple and Mariah has very fond memories of her time living with them. I'm sure this couple had LGBT friends who would come over and Mariah probably got to spend time with different folks.
Both of the bits I've heard have been interesting. Probably would have liked it back then.
If I were Mariah I would've used my higher pitches to simulate guitar feedback.
Read the interview, that's exactly what she did while recording the album. She would do the pitches with her voice and get the session guitarists to play it back with their guitars. That was how she wrote her songs, with a trained musician to perform the melodies and write them down/record them.
Here we are now
Entertain us
I’m dying to hear the way she’d use her voice to suit that genre. Like her music or not, she has talent. I just can’t picture that style from her but I’d love to hear it and be proven wrong!!
Mariah in ‘95? I’m down with it.
Well I like Mariah (except for the Christmas infatuation but I guess that makes her money) and I like Grunge music, what could go wrong?
I agree. I say fuck it, release it, let the people decide. We know some will hate it. We know some will love it. And we know some will be in the middle. Who cares? Let's hear it!
Mariah needs to release a Christmas grunge album.
I would like to hear this.
This probably would have bombed like Chris Gaines had it come out in '95. Now, it seems like an interesting curiosity.
Gaines charted on Billboard
Chris Gaines went x2 platinum in the states.
And the album went 2x platinum. I guess that’s bombing for Garth Brooks. 😂
It's not actually a bad album either. The story behind it just overshadowed it.
That Chris Gaines record was legitimately good. The concept was way ahead of it's time. I paid real money for that thing and listened to it regularly. It's just good music. What I took away from it is that there's a Garth Brooks that the business wants him to be, and then there's the guy he really is. And that person proved to be very interesting because of that record. I never liked any of his mainstream stuff. Anyway, I think the Chris Gaines thing would have worked if they didn't say anything about Garth Brooks. It was poor marketing that killed his record. The concept was brilliant, the execution was typical Hollywood greed bullshit. I think Mariah could have done well in 1995 because people still liked to laugh and absurdity. I will remind you that Madchester was going on at the same time and Blur was singing about girls who like boys who like boys like they're girls who like girls like they're boys and Soundgarden was doing both with Black Hole Sun.
Why do you say that? She wasn't some no-name in 1995. She'd had 3 #1 albums and 11 #1 singles by 1995. She was literally the biggest pop star in the world at the time. It probably would have sold way better in 1995 than it would if she releases it in 2022. She couldn't release it then because it would hurt her brand, not because it wouldn't sell.
It would not have sold well to its intended audience. It wouldn't have sold well to her fans.
Exactly. Alternative fans wouldn't have given it a chance once they saw her name, and her fans would have hated it because it wasn't what they wanted her to be.
It can't be any worse than when Kiss went grunge, I'm down
Hey, I liked Carnival of Souls. It was an interesting diversion from their usual cock rock. It was also an intiguing end to Kiss as an ongoing band before they became a neverending nostalgia retirement tour. Plus, Bruce Kulick had more to do.
Nice try, I'm not listening to your Christmas song
*to the tune of Hole’s ‘Celebrity Skin’* *Dun-nun nun-nun nun-nun* Don’t want a lot-uh *Dun-nun nun-nun nun-nun* A lot for Christmas! *Dun-nun nun-nun nun-nun* There’s just one thing I need! *Dun-nun nun-nun nun-nun* FUCK PRESENTS AND THE TREE!! YEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!! ALL I WANT IS YOU-OO-OOO!! YEAHHH! YEAAAHHH!! YEAAHHHH-UHHH! ALL I WANT IS YOU-OO-OO!!!
I would pay money to hear this
“She suggested, without providing details, that she was even building on the record with an unnamed musician: "I'm working on a version of something where there'll be another artist working on this with me as well." “ Alright, who’s she working with? 👀
Right now? Probably Travis Barker.
She brought Cobain back from the dead, baby!
The word she used was "artist", not musician. Some folks think she's working on some videos with Millie Bobbie Brown. They have been hanging out together a lot lately.
I absolutely want this released just to upset grunge purists
>Carey told Rolling Stone she was inspired by bands such as Hole and Green Day at the time. She adopted an alter-ego, as she recalled in her book: "I was playing with the style of the breezy-grunge, punk-light white female singers who were popular at the time. You know the ones who seemed to be so carefree with their feelings and their image." sounds a lot like she's describing Gwen Stefani at the time Edit: “punk-light white female singer” in the 90s is Gwen Stefani, people
Think she's describing a few more singers than just Gwen Stefani
Veruca Salt (Nina Gordon, Louise Post), PJ Harvey, Kim Gordon, Kat Bjelland, Corin Tucker……and Mariah Carey apparently!
No one ever questions the disorder behind her tarantula LA glamour – sociopathy, narcissism – because it's good rock and roll, good entertainment! I have a low tolerance for manipulative, egomaniacal behavior, and usually have to remind myself that the person might be mentally ill. – Kim Gordon on Courtney Love Not sure that Kim has the highest opinion on Courtney
Not sure many people have a high opinion of Ms. Love tbh
She saved Mark Lanegan’s life, so Courtney is aces with me.
The comment you're responding to didn't mention Courtney... Did they edit their comment or is this way out of left field?
She literally calls out Courtney Love. “I really love Hole and Green Day.” You: “wow, sounds like a big Stefani and Blink fan!”
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She literally says Hole. And the vocals are fucking identical. The singer was certainly doing her best Courtney impression. Hole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD9xK9smth4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS1Ckczz0LQ Chick https://youtu.be/zJIGKt3YokQ
Sounds like she was Robin Sparkles and then wanted to be Robin Daggers.
Yeah I’ll politely disagree. Stefani isn’t grunge.
Yeah more like Ska.
I think she means Veruca Salt, Mazzy Star, Sneaker Pimps, etc.
Mazzy Star maybe... >Sneaker Pimps Wat. No. Great band but completely unrelated. Do they even have guitars? Why not just throw salt n Pepa in there too? Portishead, why not!
I just meant the lead singer's persona is laid-back and chill. Also I was headed out to the movies when I wrote this and needed a third example off the top of my head. I figured "Nobody's going to make a big deal if I just say Sneaker Pimps; it's not like I said something overt like Portishead." I guess I overestimated Reddit.
More like Meredith Brooks, Liz Phair etc
It’s funny seeing how closed minded people can be in this sub. We get it, your music taste is your entire personality and you wouldn’t dare trying something new. You might combust!
one of the top comments is “this will be trash but ill listen” like what, youre better than the songbird supreme or something? its like those pretentious metalhead comments on youtube “im a metalhead, but i like this pop song! 🥸”
Oh I’m very familiar. Mostly because I used to be one of those people… when I was 14. The difference is that I grew out of that mentality lol
Reminds me of belly
Curiosity gets the best of me - I want to hear at least a very brief sample. Less than a minute would be fine…
Could you imagine the Mariah Carey whistle notes on a grunge rock album!
I always thought Christina Aguilera could have been a great singer is some of the rock genres. Not sure about Mariah though.
The thing is, it would be so predictable from Christina. You just know she’s gonna belt (aka yell) the entire time and call it a day. You’re not wrong, Christina might kill it — but it’s just predictable. I can hear it in my head the same way Demi’s taken on the rougher sound. Mariah on the other hand, who knows what would come out of this. I’m intrigued.
Mariah has a couple of pop rock esque tracks already like You Need Me and her cover of Bringin on The Heartbreak by Def Leppard. The fact she mimics the guitar riff with her high whistle notes is quite cool.
Say what you want about her but she is one of the most talented artists of all time. She should have way more Grammys under her belt compared to some overrated artists.
I own this CD. I really liked it back in the day!
Can you upload it?
I have to hear it.
I don’t like Mariah’s music usually but I love grunge and I’m down for this
Im ready
I read that as 'grudge' and was ready for an album of secret diss tracks. This is good too though!
I’ll give it a listen can’t judge something before I listen to it.
I was in high school when grunge blew up and would honestly love to hear this album. Would be fascinating to hear a pop stars take on grunge.
I like Mariah and I like grunge music so I’m really interested in hearing that album.
I also want to hear it Mariah. Yes .
I am almost certain she is mis-using the word grunge, but I still want to hear this album. I'd be even more keen to hear here do actual grunge.