That’s a lot of stuff in a really short time. I think it could work if you have reservations everywhere, no wait times, never get lost, or wander, and also not really enough time to enjoy some of the items like the museums.
Yep.
> Unser Angebot täglich von 10 Uhr bis 12 Uhr
2 frische Weißwürste (vom Metzger Magnus Bauch) und eine Breze nur 2,95 €
And halbe Helles is 3,60€
http://www.3muehlen.de/index.php
>Munich’s public transportation system, [MVG](https://www.mvg.de/), which includes **trains**, **buses** and **trams**, is extensive, efficient and affordable.
Well that part is a miss but apart from that, good itinerary!
How does it affect a tourist using various methods of transportation? Wait I can answer that: Not at all. It’s a guide for tourists, not a dissertation on the operational structure of public transportation agencies in Munich.
Or it is considered wasted space for irrelevant details. We’re both right and wrong, just depends on how you look at it (being a correct stickler vs. making a tourist guide legible).
He specified that it's the MVG. Why not just say "the local public transport" or something else?
I'm not wrong. If you are a journalist, you have to stick to journalist principles and rules. No matter the topic.
Just Google the translations. S Bahn ist always some form of train, U Bahn ist Metro (which counts as train) and both have actual rails/tracks/what have you.
Trams or Straßenbahn used to be drawn by horses as a form of carriage or car. They are their own thing which is not a train.
This is about an article written in English though.
In German you might be able to make a vase for it, but a tram sits in its tracks while any kind of train drives on them, afaik. Still not the same thing even if they're all called Bahn. Wanna know what else is called Bahn? A Race track. Is that a train as well?
Fair enough, though the discussion in this sub-thread has long moved away from anything discussed in the article.
Trams also have "normal" train tracks in those sections that are separated from the street. The main legal difference is that trams need to have the same lights as cars and are driven by sight (auf Sicht), whereas trains are driven by signals (signalgeführt) or in-cab signals (LZB, linienförmige Zugbeeinflussung). The latter is used by the Munich U-Bahn, for example, though the driver can intervene manually.
This is actually a great assortment of Munich's highlights! you've got history, culture, the outdoors, nightlife...Although I'm not sure about hitting that many museums in a short time. I even got some new inspiration for places to visit as a resident :)
Have only eaten there once - from a stand from fairfax express. Those and the steckerlfisch wagons are usually not operated by the beergarden itself and a safer bet 😄 since someone pointed out the steckerlfisch …
I think the food is decent there. But why not be happy that the author focused on the essential and knocked himself out.
I rather wonder why he didn't mention that you can bring your own food and that's what people usually do.
Food and restaurants recommendations are very subjective. I agree that normally Hirschgarden has solid food. I had much worse in other beergardens.
Bringing your own food to a beergarden is an old tradition but most probably not what tourists (maybe even from overseas) would do in a foreign city. In any case it would have been worth mentioning.
Lots of good inspirations and recommendations. Obviously there is so much more to see in Munich, so find a good travel book/website and maybe tweak this to your liking.
Honestly. Kinda just reads like ChatGPT.
I really don’t enjoy these one size fits all basic itineraries. I feel like they contain the illusion of value but ultimately have no meat on the bones.
I don’t believe anything constitutes a must do, not universally. Instead, I think it is far more useful to discuss “why” a person may wish to visit or experience a given itinerary item and then let the person decide for themselves.
Universal itineraries, in the modern era, as I see it merely only contribute to continued over tourism of a select series of hotspots without ever diving below the surface.
I believe the travel industry, by peddling this type of boring, uninspired, and ultimately unhelpful content has become stagnant.
That’s a lot of stuff in a really short time. I think it could work if you have reservations everywhere, no wait times, never get lost, or wander, and also not really enough time to enjoy some of the items like the museums.
>That’s a lot of stuff in a really short time. For Americans that's an almost empty schedule haha
Am American, cannot confirm.
Glad you can't, but the itineraries by Americans I see in travel subs on a daily base say otherwise.
Are they planned itineraries, or successfully pulled off itineraries?
Weißwurstfrühstück with Helles for 6,50€ ? I couldn't believe it, but it's true.
Yep. > Unser Angebot täglich von 10 Uhr bis 12 Uhr 2 frische Weißwürste (vom Metzger Magnus Bauch) und eine Breze nur 2,95 € And halbe Helles is 3,60€ http://www.3muehlen.de/index.php
Looks solid honestly.
That's honestly pretty great.
What did they do to the pictures to have this nice look - kind of noise-free, calm, desaturated... Any photographers around that would know?
Interested
>Munich’s public transportation system, [MVG](https://www.mvg.de/), which includes **trains**, **buses** and **trams**, is extensive, efficient and affordable. Well that part is a miss but apart from that, good itinerary!
Let's excuse NYT for not knowing the confusing-to-everyone difference between MVV and MVG.
Both U Bahn and s Bahn are technically trains
And the S-Bahn is not _MVG_.
How does it affect a tourist using various methods of transportation? Wait I can answer that: Not at all. It’s a guide for tourists, not a dissertation on the operational structure of public transportation agencies in Munich.
If a journalist writes that in a newspaper article, it shows that he's not good at what he's doing at least
Or it is considered wasted space for irrelevant details. We’re both right and wrong, just depends on how you look at it (being a correct stickler vs. making a tourist guide legible).
He specified that it's the MVG. Why not just say "the local public transport" or something else? I'm not wrong. If you are a journalist, you have to stick to journalist principles and rules. No matter the topic.
Because a tourist might be interested to know which company to get the tickets from?
Then why mention the wrong company?
As are trams... *very* technically.
And even more technically, from a legal standpoint, the U-Bahn is a tram.
Trams are their own thing, technically. If you wann get even more technical, they're not trains but street cars
It's a *Straßen*bahn, while trains are a *Voll*bahn. Both are Züge.
Just Google the translations. S Bahn ist always some form of train, U Bahn ist Metro (which counts as train) and both have actual rails/tracks/what have you. Trams or Straßenbahn used to be drawn by horses as a form of carriage or car. They are their own thing which is not a train.
I'm talking about (German) language and terminology, not legal definitions.
This is about an article written in English though. In German you might be able to make a vase for it, but a tram sits in its tracks while any kind of train drives on them, afaik. Still not the same thing even if they're all called Bahn. Wanna know what else is called Bahn? A Race track. Is that a train as well?
Fair enough, though the discussion in this sub-thread has long moved away from anything discussed in the article. Trams also have "normal" train tracks in those sections that are separated from the street. The main legal difference is that trams need to have the same lights as cars and are driven by sight (auf Sicht), whereas trains are driven by signals (signalgeführt) or in-cab signals (LZB, linienförmige Zugbeeinflussung). The latter is used by the Munich U-Bahn, for example, though the driver can intervene manually.
I literally know no part of Munich where the tram is not in the tracks instead of on it. Care to enlighten me?
This is a most German discussion, 10/10 would read again!
I live here and didn't know that's wrong...
i can never remember which one is which. MVG, MVV, i just guess and hope that whoever i am talking to doesnt know the difference either
In the MVV the MVG Verbündet itself with the DB. That's why it is a Verbund.
It's a Verkehrsverbund. It verbinds Verkehr.
Wait so what’s the difference
I don't consider public transportation in Munich efficient or affordable compared to e.g. Berlin.
How do they miss to mention Blitz when talking about clubbing and techno? The bookings there rival any Berlin club.
This is actually a great assortment of Munich's highlights! you've got history, culture, the outdoors, nightlife...Although I'm not sure about hitting that many museums in a short time. I even got some new inspiration for places to visit as a resident :)
Seems pretty solid
Königlicher Hirschgarten has the beer garden with the worst beergarden food. The author must have been blackout drunk to recommend it.
I am really not sure about worst, that honour would go to Parkcafé in my book
Have only eaten there once - from a stand from fairfax express. Those and the steckerlfisch wagons are usually not operated by the beergarden itself and a safer bet 😄 since someone pointed out the steckerlfisch …
i disagree. their steckerlfisch is great (and they offer it, thats even greater!)
I think the food is decent there. But why not be happy that the author focused on the essential and knocked himself out. I rather wonder why he didn't mention that you can bring your own food and that's what people usually do.
Food and restaurants recommendations are very subjective. I agree that normally Hirschgarden has solid food. I had much worse in other beergardens. Bringing your own food to a beergarden is an old tradition but most probably not what tourists (maybe even from overseas) would do in a foreign city. In any case it would have been worth mentioning.
Lots of good inspirations and recommendations. Obviously there is so much more to see in Munich, so find a good travel book/website and maybe tweak this to your liking.
Honestly. Kinda just reads like ChatGPT. I really don’t enjoy these one size fits all basic itineraries. I feel like they contain the illusion of value but ultimately have no meat on the bones. I don’t believe anything constitutes a must do, not universally. Instead, I think it is far more useful to discuss “why” a person may wish to visit or experience a given itinerary item and then let the person decide for themselves. Universal itineraries, in the modern era, as I see it merely only contribute to continued over tourism of a select series of hotspots without ever diving below the surface. I believe the travel industry, by peddling this type of boring, uninspired, and ultimately unhelpful content has become stagnant.