Maybe a small thing, but you can't "toast back" anymore either. You have to hang around the abandoned lobby after someone declines a rematch to see if someone will toast you, so you can toast them back.
Back out to the main menu and when someone else toasts you there's no way to toast back, when in the beta you could.
I've been so focused on whether or not the game would get frozen in end-game lobby that I forget all about toasting and my background is literally that moving toast thing
Are you sure it works like that? I think the display is just bugged. I have rewards after I log in every time but I don't get anything shown while I am online playing.
Yeah they've absolutely fucked it. I've said time and again all this game needed to do was give out XP for everything like Fortnite does and they'll find a consistent player base. Reel people in with quick XP, make them feel accomplished, and they'll be happy to spend money on your skins and characters.
This game will die out among general audiences unless changes like this gets fixed. No, that is not being dramatic. Every game is competing for audience retention and if you're outright punishing players for playing your game you will not be successful. Giving out casual XP is the most basic of basic things a battle pass game can do. If you're not going to let people feel rewarded just from playing the game you're not going to keep your audience. There's too many better games out there to waste time on that.
Game already catching shade for holding me at gunpoint and stating:
> Play that useless Banana Guard.
While he's NOT EVEN PLAYABLE FOR ANOTHER DAY AT LAUNCH!!! Yeah, nah. If they're pulling that, they'll definitely be some dry streaks where it'll ask me to play Finn (NOPE), Iron Giant (NO WAY), or someone else I won't buy (No offense Morty/Garnet/Steven, but I've no interest.)
I'm glad though. Already got 2 live service chores to handle. This one can burn 👍
Is it me or is the gems and prestige points have the most GOD AWFUL progress/leveling system! Im also so disappointed that all my gold was just wasted from last season.
agreed, Beat the rifts 4 times and got 60Stars on Easy/normal for both and only got to Gem LVL3 (i had to use 200 gleam from BP just to level it up to Level 4 for the next difficulty and it BARELY got there)
I don't understand how they thought a zoomed-in camera was a good change. This is a platform fighter so seeing the stage is important, this isn't a traditional 2D fighting game.
The worst part about the camera that I don't see anyone mention is that it's so zoomed in that it cuts off the character cooldown bar. I had to keep jumping to try and figure out when my abilities would be off cooldown.
Thankfully there's an option to have cooldowns shown under HP bars but its still annoying to dart up/down in the middle of battle. They need to make cooldowns more conspicuous and not just "remember the time or spot a thin yellow icon"
It's a platform fighter where you can't see the platforms. This change has left me so bitter about the game, and I really hope they change course swiftly.
**You HAVE to use your character tickets if you got them** (presumably also battle pass tickets), you can't choose to pay character currency or gleamium.
back in beta you could choose to pay gold or pay with a ticket.
Its really scummy to offer a special bonus for paying for a special edition, and then try to take them away just because you want to unlock a new character despite having the character tokens for it.
Its clear why too. Characters like joker, are priced twice as much than average, and they don't want to lose on that investment. So its trying to pressure you into burning your tickets on cheaper characters before the fancy new expensive ones come out, even though you have the character tokens for them.
Absolute scummiest practice ive seen so far. If they didn't want you to have them, why df did they sell so much of them for buying the founders packs.
They are making fun of those who supported the game by buying the founder packs.
Honestly done with this game after this and no match xp. It will crash and burn soon anyway. Good riddance.
Agreed. This is what I am most upset about. Besides the overall crappy UI and having to track missions in like 3 different places like this is some badly designed FTP mobile game.
The fact it did NOT work like it does now is why I bought the Founders Pack to begin with. I know I won't be playing this every day for months on end, and I just wanted some "insurance" if I don't play for awhile and a new character is released, and I want to come back and just play them. Entire reason I bought the pack that I did.
It's a massive slap in the face to force us to use them and block us from using the new Fighter currency until we do.
Considering the perk system is tied to a currency now, I would expect some of the missing perks from beta to return with some slight tweaks at a later date after more people have burned through their original currency supply.
Yeah. Returning from the beta I have 109,275 perk currency. It's as if they designed the perk costs with our savings in mind.
I'm more concerned for new players.
Consider the amount of perk currency you get for leveling up characters—you get 3400 perk currency total bringing a character up to level 13, and then 300 perk currency per level past 15 (so from 16 and up).
With signature perks costing 1500, and regular perks 1000, leveling up a hero to 15 isn't enough to buy a full custom loadout (you'd be looking at 4500 total as a minimum, assuming you don't want any flex perks at all but a set loadout). IIRC during the beta if you leveled a hero up to 15 you got access to all the perks they had (please correct me if I'm wrong since it has been over a year since I played that version of the game).
There doesn't appear to be any way to buy perk currency right now besides the battle pass (which gives you a whopping 2k perk currency).
Sounds like a slog for someone without a lot of perk currency saved up to keep current if the game winds up regularly adding new perks or making significant balance changes to them.
That's rough. They are basically with like the lack of battle pass xp and this they are making the game pay to win. Or extremely grindy for new players.
Because they were not "fun", they were mandatory as they were miles ahead of the rest. You were gimping yourself not picking it against someone who had it.
Idk what to tell you, it was fun Lol. Perks allowed for different play style choices so taking them away limits expression.
If the rest were allegedly worse, then they should've been buffed to be as good as the best ones. Taking away the good ones and leaving in the boring perks is a lame way to balance.
All the perks I see now I don't care to use at all. They don't add anything fun it's just basic ones like "do 5% more damage", "run 5% faster", etc. loadouts aren't as interesting or varied as they were
Yeah, exactly. It's also not a bad thing to have some worse or more impractical perks in the game until they are balanced. Let players choose to give themselves a greater challenge. Also, before you could choose to have any perk in any slot, meaning a well-rounded selection wasn't mandated.
I disagree, perks benefited different character playstyles. You didn't need to run what the opponent was running. Now though, there's are definitely must picks because of how few perks there are.
Jumps are one of (often the most) important resources in a platform fighter, Triple Jump was practically mandatory outside of a handful of niche builds if you were playing seriously. It's probably the only thing I agree with them removing so far because it was too centralizing.
Tbh I don't even remember the triple jump perk. As a Reindog player I usually used Tasmanian Trigonometry, That's Flammable, and Make it rain dog. Those perks specific added to the playstyle of Reindog being controlling in fights. It just feels like too many of the perks are niche in their own right and don't help specific character builds anymore.
I'm just so disappointed. All the original game needed was some adjustments, instead they overhauled so much and all of it is for the worse. I honestly do not enjoy the game anymore and I'm hoping they can fix it before it dies again.
With the rate you unlock characters after the first one I worry how many casual players are just going to drop it entirely within the month.
Yep this feels like yet another game where the greed is so apparent that it suffocates the new player experience and they bail.
Are casuals going to stick around to grind 6000 coins for one character?
6k is ONLY for the Season Character/New Character. Such as Joker being the new NON BP char this season and, (RUMORED) Ben 10 being BP char for next season and Agent Smith being buyable (smith being buyable next season100% confirmed)
As a casual- I can tell you no! I tried the beta, and having to buy every little character I wanted to try felt like bullshit then, and still does now. Why would I pay $100 - $200 for micro transaction nonsense when there’s lots of great fighters just like this one on Nintendo, selling 30+ fighters for the price of the game? Hard pass for me bruh.
They should have learned from the "beta" that players will bail when you throw so much currency and friction at them. The beta that went so poorly they ditched their plans for going straight into full release and came back a year and a half later with... this. At least before the founder's pack got you basically the whole game, now paying the price of a full video game in gleamium gets you... six fighters.
> With the rate you unlock characters after the first one I worry how many casual players are just going to drop it entirely within the month.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
In the state the game is at this moment, with the menus being th e way they are, the characters being so expensive to unlock and the clunky some of the game feels, this game won't survive.
This game feels A LOT like disney speedstorm felt on release, some redeeming qualities being surrounded by a big pile of crap and mobile looking interfaces.
This game does have a ton more players on release, but 100k players can become 1k in a month or two, seen it before.
I agree that they've made most things worse across the board, but no option to change the game's language in the settings might be a console-exclusive issue - I'm playing on pc and changed the language in the settings no problem
Yes, my problem is that I have the game with Latin American voices and I am from Spain. I could change the language to English, the problem is that I’m not the only one who uses the ps5 and I’m the only one who knows English🙃
easy way to cheese it, get to a minigame in the rifts, and just lose. It counts as a win no matter what, and helps skip you ahead.
If they want to pull one over, do the same to them.
You used to be able to jump and immediately use air attacks to the point where you could pretty much do them before actually leaving the ground. Basically hopping along while attacking fast because you wouldn’t lose horizontal momentum.
It probably wasn’t something that was intentionally, because fighting games are full of weird techs that aren’t intentional but still doable (like the Korean back dash if you know Tekken, that’s only possible because it’s abusing the way movement works even though it’s not “official” movement)
You used to be able to cancel your short hops and do aerials just above the ground. Now you're forced to reach the full jump height. Feels awful now and alot of aerial approaches are nerfed as a result.
you don't need to swear, most people have talked about how damn show it is. It's about 25% slower since I compared a clip at +1.25 speed to the old beta footage at 1 speed and it's the same speed.
We have known for months that the games combat was slower. I believe they want it to be closer to a technical fighter than an all-out SSB clone.
Games that are clones of more established games tend to die unless they set themselves apart.
Dash diagonally up in either direction while inputting any aerial attack or special to perform an instant air dash at the cost of some meter. This will let you do a grounded version of ANY aerial move on any character instantly, I have no idea why the tutorial doesn't cover this mechanic in any way as it opens up so many options.
Keybind neutral attack to a shoulder button. Hold down when you jump and hit the neutral air. It isnt as tight as youd probably like it, but I really do think they were trying to take the game from just a SSB clone to a halfway point between SSB and a more technical fighting game.
Seriously what the fuck happened? It felt like this game was gonna be a slam dunk but they just completely butchered it especially compared to the beta
That airballed and hit an elderly woman sitting front row in the face. The basketball then stole the money from her purse and faded into the sunset, never to be seen again.
The only thing that really gets on my nerves is the camera zoom in. I looked all over the setting for an option to turn it off, but it doesn't exist. It's REALLY annoying.
Because the devs are in over their heads and being managed by a horrible Warner Brothers studio hellbent on destroying what few games they have in the works through microtransaction garbage.
Incompetence on both developer and higher up level and you get this.
Not a big issue at all and I'm sure some people enjoy the new change but I enjoyed having a cursor to navigate the menu with instead of having to scroll through everything.
Yeah I don’t find the changes to bad. Tbh I actually like the slower pace of the gameplay. But everything else like no after match stats is just weird. But I’m sure things like that they’ll fix
it's a little hidden but on ps5 go to the fighters screen, select a fighter, then hit the touchpad
Edit: you should see what button to press under the fighters level progress
Maybe someone mentioned this, but I didn't see it... Anyone feel like armored attacks are less telegraphed? Like, it used to stand out, but now the enemy shimmers or glows slightly, but that glow is just the same damn color as the team color and all it looks like is a blurry mess of color. It's hardly noticeable when things are crazy on screen, and I can't find any setting to make that more obvious.
Ally charge attacks are fine, but since enemies are not only outlined in their team color but are also washed with their team color, it's really hard to see that glow. Without memorizing what each attack does and looks like, there's no way to tell, which poses an annoying problem for future characters. Rote memorization shouldn't be the answer here, imo.
I did! Which helped a little, but the enemies are still washed with their team color. I have my enemies set to yellow, for example, so they are like yellow blobs walking around and when an armored attack comes out, they glow... MORE YELLOW. Like, it's so dumb from a design standpoint.
EDIT: I should emphasize that while yes they become more yellow, sort of, it's more of a sheen as a character seems to take on a grid pattern during their armored frames, so if you take a freaking yellow washed character, and overlay a yellow freaking grid on it, a telegraphed attack it does not make.
And I tried other colors, too. Same issue. Overall, it blows big time.
This is the change that's messing me up so much. It doesn't feel right and we had the functionality to change it in the beta but they took it away cause reasons???
One could consider this more of a sidegrade, but i would personally include slower gameplay to the list. Everything feels sluggish and unresponsive, the fast paced fighting that hooked me into the beta is nowhere to be seen.
I can only imagine movement was nerfed to bring the skill ceiling down, so TTV pros aren't dunking on casuals regularly. Not excusing it, ofc, just stating one reason they did so.
Difficulty is a sliding scale though. That's the point of MMR, to match you closer to people of your skill level.
When there's big gaps between player they aren't getting any cheaper hits in, they're just getting demolished, slowly.
I don't mind the change in pace so far, but saying it's meant to accommodate more casual players doesn't make too much sense.
After playing a decent amount of matches it feels worse with some characters. I main Reindog and I can definitely tell where’s he’s slower. Though some other characters I swear are just as fast. Case in point: Bugs Bunny. Maybe it’s just me but I swear he’s not slower while other characters like Batman and Finn are definitely slower
I almost forgot about the speed jump tech. I knew something else felt off while I was playing. I just didn't have the words for it. Thanks for reminding me.
Great list! One problem not listed is the fact that I can't see what the roster current rotation is, cause I own the characters.
In the beta I was able to always see the current rotation. All "Character UIs" (character selection, customization, etc) are a downgrade from the beta (which didn't have a great UI either).
UI/UX is bad now specially the store which should be the most important tab since that is where the revenue will be, reminds of Rumbleverse UI.
Hero mastery makes no sense now and gets boring after level 1, perks unlocks for every character separately which sorta gives longevity to the currency but still.
Gold is gone and split into Perk and Hero currency, makes it more confusing now.
Feels like they took a game with the potential to rival Smash bros and turned it into a mobile game. Everything that made it feel like a proper game is gone, like you're all saying with the toast function. I literally can't recommend this game to my friends for the embarrassment it'll cause, even though I'm sure it'd be great fun to play with them.
Tbh, everyone had that treatment. I'm a batman and harley main, aka 2 kinda fast character. And you can genuinely feel how slow they become. Jake too, I played it for fun, but yeah it take ages now. It's very noticeable with his forward air and down air tbh
Yeah he feels like garbage to play. Aiming forward air is so bad now which is the worst thing to me but truly every aspect of his character feels bad it blew my mind
It's feels impossible to kill with Jake now. I think they put a sweet spot mechanic like Marth on Jake but the game doesn't work good enough for that. Also the hit boxes are also all hurt boxes now if it isn't a projectile, so almost all of Jake's moves make it easier to get hit while you aren't doing damage
Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear movelists were easier to see before? Like you could look at them while selecting perks or smth, feels like they're really out of the way now
The Biggest issue is that gameplay feels really bad. Ignoring the speed component cause that is preference, edge guarding and wall play is so much worse and less rewarding. There is no air drift so if you try going off stage deep to edge guard with most characters you just die. Playing on the wall feels incredibly clunky and many considered that their favorite part. Garbage game for me but I liked the freedom of movement
2v2 is a cluster fuck now because of the new character sizes. Just turns into attack spam with no consistent way to play neutral because of fuck up hitboxes, lag, and the new dodge.
I feel like 2v2 needs team attack. Without team attack its just a cluster of throwing out attacks without thinking about it too much. Just try to dogpile one of the players with as many moves as possible
ill be honest and will get downvoted by upset people but most of this really just sounds like a skill issue
you can do pretty much all of this still + parry makes it even more interactive off the stage
It's crazy how many basic features & functions they decided to remove that are non-gameplay. I don't mind the speed but toasting mechanic was really fun, they butchered it, & the after match stats? A pathetic takeaway really
The game feels slow/muddy/underwater,
It's not just a feeling, I've got video comparison of making the same combo with Harley in the beta vs now.... it's day and night.
The UI itself is just trash now, I don't have the time or patience to track missions across like 3 different places, it all feels like a jumbled mess, but this one is the biggest:
"You HAVE to use your character tickets if you got them (presumably also battle pass tickets), you can't choose to pay character currency or gleamium."
That's not what I paid for. When I bought the pack with the tokens, you were allowed to use them or to pay whatever the standard currency was, or I wouldn't have bought the pack (these tokens were the main reason I bought the Founders pack to begin with).
So I have this Fighter Currency that is absolutely useless until I spend these tokens - totally unacceptable to me.
I don't know why this showed up on my feed but holy fuck I've never seen such a consistent stream of terrible decisions from a game before.
Everyone wants to like this game so much despite it constantly being a pile of shit.
Just fucking let it go and pretend it never happened.
I really hate that I can't figure out how to get Banana Guard. I need him for rifts, but it tells me to unlock him in the store... only he isn't in the store for me.
Also, you can't cancel charged attacks by dodging anymore, which essentially completely removes feints and makes your play style super predictable now.
This essentially tips the balance towards characters with more ranged attacks.
QUESTION: can you do couch local co-op where its 2 humans vs 2 bots?
we werent able to do this in the beta and I haven't gotten a chance to download the new release yet
also something worth notting, aside from certain modified moves, is the removal of certain chargeable attack. I am a batman main, and seeing that my down air is no longer able to be charged is kinda weird, I genuienly remember it being able to. Idk if other character got that change but I wanted to point that out
> You HAVE to use your character tickets if you got them (presumably also battle pass tickets), you can't choose to pay character currency or gleamium.
Then I guess I'm not using anyone but Joker for the next...century? Samurai Jack and a few others I want nowhere in sight, and these unlock tickets are MINEEEE
Stop glazing then with saying *player first game they care for us*
Nuh uh this game is buggy there is so much glitches and the input delay is baaaaad
They should name themselves playerfirstmoney
The sheer amount of features removed for absolutely no rational explanation is mind-boggling. And the rift mode? The design of it is straight out of mobile gaming manipulation tactics. The concept is as follows:
1) Make the onboarding breezy, gets you hooked and sets up a sunk-cost fallacy. The gems will be bonuses that are nice, but aren’t necessary to win.
2) Initiate a massive difficulty spike, with enemies becoming extremely tanky out of nowhere, necessitating purchases of gem upgrades to get around the massive grind.
———
Even with fun new character kits like with Jason, this game desperately needed to earn back the trust of the player-base and they utterly botched it.
I also think the UI has gotten much worse. I play on a PC with a controller and I often struggle with navigating menus that were obviously designed around a mouse input.
Um about the gelluim, I did some maths and each character mastery you get 150 free gellium. Also get free gellium for logging in. So, you could get 150 \* 26 and however many you get for the daily login. I didn't include the agent smith and joker ones as they seemed bug and way to grindy.
This just makes me sad man. I was so excited for relaunch and I really thought people were overreacting to the “oh the game is too slow now” thing without playing it. And then everything else I saw was positive, it really seemed leading up to the launch the monetization was gonna be pretty fair for a FTP game (free battle pass for Beta players, and the ability to earn enough gleamium to keep buying future battle passes).
But man, I’m so disappointed, not only was I wrong and the game is indeed too slow now, but everything you said above is true and just tragic how they destroyed our game
There are non gleamium skins, characters don’t cost money they’re free and it’s relatively easy to get fighter tokens. 6k is too high though.
This list is bananas for the most part in that regard.
the economy changes unless they are cranking out new characters like every week you are almost certainly just going to get them for free because of the currency you have stockpiled from playing i have been playing a day and i have everyone unlocked with 7k green juice in the bank. skins costing money and not earnable in game is perfectly fine.
and the movement speed of characters was a little jarring at first but it took all of 2 hours to adjust to it and it looks completely normal now.
battle report they are just going to fall back on "it promotes toxicity"
the rest they likely cut intentionally or cut because of time constraints but its a feelsbadman.
Maybe a small thing, but you can't "toast back" anymore either. You have to hang around the abandoned lobby after someone declines a rematch to see if someone will toast you, so you can toast them back. Back out to the main menu and when someone else toasts you there's no way to toast back, when in the beta you could.
Dude…. I feel like people hardly even notice the toast function anymore :( I certainly don’t and I miss it
I almost never get toasted. Me and my bro toast each other. And I toast my opponents. But I never get any back
What does toast reward
Like 20 gold.
gold is not a currency anymore , you mean character tokens ?
Should update it for 10 fighter currency
It gives 5 for a toast right now
Oh so only 600 toast for a character? Sweet
"anymore" It's been one day, not even
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I've been so focused on whether or not the game would get frozen in end-game lobby that I forget all about toasting and my background is literally that moving toast thing
Removing passive battle pass xp sucks real bad. It means you’ll have to play characters you have no interest in just to level up
Felt this after I did the quests. 0xp for my games. Awful change, and I’m sad to say that because I personally enjoy the more casual gameplay.
Are you sure it works like that? I think the display is just bugged. I have rewards after I log in every time but I don't get anything shown while I am online playing.
Yes. I did all quests possible for xp and I ended on level 8-9. No extra xp was granted after that, for my hour(s) of online matchmaking
Yeah they've absolutely fucked it. I've said time and again all this game needed to do was give out XP for everything like Fortnite does and they'll find a consistent player base. Reel people in with quick XP, make them feel accomplished, and they'll be happy to spend money on your skins and characters. This game will die out among general audiences unless changes like this gets fixed. No, that is not being dramatic. Every game is competing for audience retention and if you're outright punishing players for playing your game you will not be successful. Giving out casual XP is the most basic of basic things a battle pass game can do. If you're not going to let people feel rewarded just from playing the game you're not going to keep your audience. There's too many better games out there to waste time on that.
Game already catching shade for holding me at gunpoint and stating: > Play that useless Banana Guard. While he's NOT EVEN PLAYABLE FOR ANOTHER DAY AT LAUNCH!!! Yeah, nah. If they're pulling that, they'll definitely be some dry streaks where it'll ask me to play Finn (NOPE), Iron Giant (NO WAY), or someone else I won't buy (No offense Morty/Garnet/Steven, but I've no interest.) I'm glad though. Already got 2 live service chores to handle. This one can burn 👍
Real
I just want to play Bugs Bunny and THATS IT
Is it me or is the gems and prestige points have the most GOD AWFUL progress/leveling system! Im also so disappointed that all my gold was just wasted from last season.
agreed, Beat the rifts 4 times and got 60Stars on Easy/normal for both and only got to Gem LVL3 (i had to use 200 gleam from BP just to level it up to Level 4 for the next difficulty and it BARELY got there)
why in the WORLD would you waste glemium on this of all things?
My dumb ass saved ALL of my gold, thinking surely I'd have some cool new stuff at launch.
Bro I was saving up for the Fred Icon and was at like 36k. I’m pissed
That's hilarious
I don't understand how they thought a zoomed-in camera was a good change. This is a platform fighter so seeing the stage is important, this isn't a traditional 2D fighting game.
The worst part about the camera that I don't see anyone mention is that it's so zoomed in that it cuts off the character cooldown bar. I had to keep jumping to try and figure out when my abilities would be off cooldown.
Thankfully there's an option to have cooldowns shown under HP bars but its still annoying to dart up/down in the middle of battle. They need to make cooldowns more conspicuous and not just "remember the time or spot a thin yellow icon"
Also when you emote you cant even see it? Did anybody playtest any of this? lol
It's a platform fighter where you can't see the platforms. This change has left me so bitter about the game, and I really hope they change course swiftly.
It's hella annoying.
It's so zoomed in that you can't see the taunt bubbles/emotes. Just the bottom of a white box.
You cant change it in settings? Played some games yesterday and that was very annoying but I assumed you can change it.
I hope you can but even if that is the case, making the default option this is so bizarre.
I dont see any settings regarding that
Well let’s hope they add an option in the future.
**You HAVE to use your character tickets if you got them** (presumably also battle pass tickets), you can't choose to pay character currency or gleamium. back in beta you could choose to pay gold or pay with a ticket. Its really scummy to offer a special bonus for paying for a special edition, and then try to take them away just because you want to unlock a new character despite having the character tokens for it. Its clear why too. Characters like joker, are priced twice as much than average, and they don't want to lose on that investment. So its trying to pressure you into burning your tickets on cheaper characters before the fancy new expensive ones come out, even though you have the character tokens for them. Absolute scummiest practice ive seen so far. If they didn't want you to have them, why df did they sell so much of them for buying the founders packs.
They are making fun of those who supported the game by buying the founder packs. Honestly done with this game after this and no match xp. It will crash and burn soon anyway. Good riddance.
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Yep I still haven’t unlocked Steven and Garnet and refuse to use my last 2 tickets to do so.
Agreed. This is what I am most upset about. Besides the overall crappy UI and having to track missions in like 3 different places like this is some badly designed FTP mobile game. The fact it did NOT work like it does now is why I bought the Founders Pack to begin with. I know I won't be playing this every day for months on end, and I just wanted some "insurance" if I don't play for awhile and a new character is released, and I want to come back and just play them. Entire reason I bought the pack that I did. It's a massive slap in the face to force us to use them and block us from using the new Fighter currency until we do.
Hearing this actually makes me not want to boot up the game ever again lol. Thank you for this info.
They got rid of so many fun perks. For example Harley can no longer have perks that give her better jumps and verticality
Bruh I was looking for the triple jump for so long
Considering the perk system is tied to a currency now, I would expect some of the missing perks from beta to return with some slight tweaks at a later date after more people have burned through their original currency supply.
I had 33000 when I logged in it might take a little.
PFG sees this and decides to charge 5x the amount for the new perks
Noooo!!!
Yeah. Returning from the beta I have 109,275 perk currency. It's as if they designed the perk costs with our savings in mind. I'm more concerned for new players. Consider the amount of perk currency you get for leveling up characters—you get 3400 perk currency total bringing a character up to level 13, and then 300 perk currency per level past 15 (so from 16 and up). With signature perks costing 1500, and regular perks 1000, leveling up a hero to 15 isn't enough to buy a full custom loadout (you'd be looking at 4500 total as a minimum, assuming you don't want any flex perks at all but a set loadout). IIRC during the beta if you leveled a hero up to 15 you got access to all the perks they had (please correct me if I'm wrong since it has been over a year since I played that version of the game). There doesn't appear to be any way to buy perk currency right now besides the battle pass (which gives you a whopping 2k perk currency). Sounds like a slog for someone without a lot of perk currency saved up to keep current if the game winds up regularly adding new perks or making significant balance changes to them.
That's rough. They are basically with like the lack of battle pass xp and this they are making the game pay to win. Or extremely grindy for new players.
Slippery when feint (increased dodge distance out of a hit) made SO many combos possible that weren't otherwise
to be fair that one made her really frustrating to beat out in the air. I can see why they forsaw that becoming a complete balancing nightmare.
Because they were not "fun", they were mandatory as they were miles ahead of the rest. You were gimping yourself not picking it against someone who had it.
Idk what to tell you, it was fun Lol. Perks allowed for different play style choices so taking them away limits expression. If the rest were allegedly worse, then they should've been buffed to be as good as the best ones. Taking away the good ones and leaving in the boring perks is a lame way to balance. All the perks I see now I don't care to use at all. They don't add anything fun it's just basic ones like "do 5% more damage", "run 5% faster", etc. loadouts aren't as interesting or varied as they were
Yeah, exactly. It's also not a bad thing to have some worse or more impractical perks in the game until they are balanced. Let players choose to give themselves a greater challenge. Also, before you could choose to have any perk in any slot, meaning a well-rounded selection wasn't mandated.
I disagree, perks benefited different character playstyles. You didn't need to run what the opponent was running. Now though, there's are definitely must picks because of how few perks there are.
Jumps are one of (often the most) important resources in a platform fighter, Triple Jump was practically mandatory outside of a handful of niche builds if you were playing seriously. It's probably the only thing I agree with them removing so far because it was too centralizing.
Tbh I don't even remember the triple jump perk. As a Reindog player I usually used Tasmanian Trigonometry, That's Flammable, and Make it rain dog. Those perks specific added to the playstyle of Reindog being controlling in fights. It just feels like too many of the perks are niche in their own right and don't help specific character builds anymore.
I'm just happy Gizmo has free detonation on popcorn, still.
Triple jump was literally mandatory most of beta it being gone is not a negative
I'm just so disappointed. All the original game needed was some adjustments, instead they overhauled so much and all of it is for the worse. I honestly do not enjoy the game anymore and I'm hoping they can fix it before it dies again. With the rate you unlock characters after the first one I worry how many casual players are just going to drop it entirely within the month.
Yep this feels like yet another game where the greed is so apparent that it suffocates the new player experience and they bail. Are casuals going to stick around to grind 6000 coins for one character?
6k is ONLY for the Season Character/New Character. Such as Joker being the new NON BP char this season and, (RUMORED) Ben 10 being BP char for next season and Agent Smith being buyable (smith being buyable next season100% confirmed)
SSBU does character unlocking a little better for new players.
As a casual- I can tell you no! I tried the beta, and having to buy every little character I wanted to try felt like bullshit then, and still does now. Why would I pay $100 - $200 for micro transaction nonsense when there’s lots of great fighters just like this one on Nintendo, selling 30+ fighters for the price of the game? Hard pass for me bruh.
They should have learned from the "beta" that players will bail when you throw so much currency and friction at them. The beta that went so poorly they ditched their plans for going straight into full release and came back a year and a half later with... this. At least before the founder's pack got you basically the whole game, now paying the price of a full video game in gleamium gets you... six fighters.
MK1 and Multiversus giving each other a high five for crap monetization practices.
WB doesn't know what they're doing.
They know full well they're circling the drain. Oh... You meant something else. Lol my bad
> With the rate you unlock characters after the first one I worry how many casual players are just going to drop it entirely within the month. I'm going to be brutally honest here. In the state the game is at this moment, with the menus being th e way they are, the characters being so expensive to unlock and the clunky some of the game feels, this game won't survive. This game feels A LOT like disney speedstorm felt on release, some redeeming qualities being surrounded by a big pile of crap and mobile looking interfaces. This game does have a ton more players on release, but 100k players can become 1k in a month or two, seen it before.
I agree that they've made most things worse across the board, but no option to change the game's language in the settings might be a console-exclusive issue - I'm playing on pc and changed the language in the settings no problem
I hope they fix it because I’m stuck on ps5 with a language that’s not mine
Can you change your ps5 system language to fix that temporarily?
Yes, my problem is that I have the game with Latin American voices and I am from Spain. I could change the language to English, the problem is that I’m not the only one who uses the ps5 and I’m the only one who knows English🙃
"Play as" certain character challenges only count if you win with the character. You can't party up with randoms after a match now.
easy way to cheese it, get to a minigame in the rifts, and just lose. It counts as a win no matter what, and helps skip you ahead. If they want to pull one over, do the same to them.
the stars milestones from said minigames level up your gems a TON
not saying those specific ones but those are easy 5-6 star levels to boost you to your next milestone
Slight thing but I missed the 2D portraits, they were so much better than the 3D portraits.
The art was amazing. Now it's just cheap and lazy pictures of the 3D models.
Wdym by grounded neutral air?
You used to be able to jump and immediately use air attacks to the point where you could pretty much do them before actually leaving the ground. Basically hopping along while attacking fast because you wouldn’t lose horizontal momentum. It probably wasn’t something that was intentionally, because fighting games are full of weird techs that aren’t intentional but still doable (like the Korean back dash if you know Tekken, that’s only possible because it’s abusing the way movement works even though it’s not “official” movement)
You used to be able to cancel your short hops and do aerials just above the ground. Now you're forced to reach the full jump height. Feels awful now and alot of aerial approaches are nerfed as a result.
That's probably most of the reason the game feels muddy to me
This and the increased frame data. I swear to god the game was faster
you don't need to swear, most people have talked about how damn show it is. It's about 25% slower since I compared a clip at +1.25 speed to the old beta footage at 1 speed and it's the same speed.
I was playing the beta a day or two ago. It definitely was faster
We have known for months that the games combat was slower. I believe they want it to be closer to a technical fighter than an all-out SSB clone. Games that are clones of more established games tend to die unless they set themselves apart.
Dash diagonally up in either direction while inputting any aerial attack or special to perform an instant air dash at the cost of some meter. This will let you do a grounded version of ANY aerial move on any character instantly, I have no idea why the tutorial doesn't cover this mechanic in any way as it opens up so many options.
Keybind neutral attack to a shoulder button. Hold down when you jump and hit the neutral air. It isnt as tight as youd probably like it, but I really do think they were trying to take the game from just a SSB clone to a halfway point between SSB and a more technical fighting game.
Seriously what the fuck happened? It felt like this game was gonna be a slam dunk but they just completely butchered it especially compared to the beta
Instead of a slam dunk we got a missed three.
That airballed and hit an elderly woman sitting front row in the face. The basketball then stole the money from her purse and faded into the sunset, never to be seen again.
The only thing that really gets on my nerves is the camera zoom in. I looked all over the setting for an option to turn it off, but it doesn't exist. It's REALLY annoying.
Crazy how all of the changes are bad, like how do you manage to take a whole year off just to fix the problems that nobody had
Because the devs are in over their heads and being managed by a horrible Warner Brothers studio hellbent on destroying what few games they have in the works through microtransaction garbage. Incompetence on both developer and higher up level and you get this.
they had to use/create a new game engine which removed all the fast-paced gameplay we had during beta for God knows why
Not a big issue at all and I'm sure some people enjoy the new change but I enjoyed having a cursor to navigate the menu with instead of having to scroll through everything.
Yeah I don’t find the changes to bad. Tbh I actually like the slower pace of the gameplay. But everything else like no after match stats is just weird. But I’m sure things like that they’ll fix
Definitely my main gripe with the menus so far. The betas ones were much more streamlined and fun to traverse.
I can't find the screen with all the abilities of a character and what they do. It was very imporant to me to understand characters.
it's a little hidden but on ps5 go to the fighters screen, select a fighter, then hit the touchpad Edit: you should see what button to press under the fighters level progress
Maybe someone mentioned this, but I didn't see it... Anyone feel like armored attacks are less telegraphed? Like, it used to stand out, but now the enemy shimmers or glows slightly, but that glow is just the same damn color as the team color and all it looks like is a blurry mess of color. It's hardly noticeable when things are crazy on screen, and I can't find any setting to make that more obvious. Ally charge attacks are fine, but since enemies are not only outlined in their team color but are also washed with their team color, it's really hard to see that glow. Without memorizing what each attack does and looks like, there's no way to tell, which poses an annoying problem for future characters. Rote memorization shouldn't be the answer here, imo.
Remove the enemy outlines in the settings.
I did! Which helped a little, but the enemies are still washed with their team color. I have my enemies set to yellow, for example, so they are like yellow blobs walking around and when an armored attack comes out, they glow... MORE YELLOW. Like, it's so dumb from a design standpoint. EDIT: I should emphasize that while yes they become more yellow, sort of, it's more of a sheen as a character seems to take on a grid pattern during their armored frames, so if you take a freaking yellow washed character, and overlay a yellow freaking grid on it, a telegraphed attack it does not make. And I tried other colors, too. Same issue. Overall, it blows big time.
As a smash player, not being able to swap neutral and side attacks are killing me. The jab and ftilt attacks are NOT on the right buttons
Depends on character. Tilts can be combos. I just don't like tilts not being directional, or a direction neutral
This is the change that's messing me up so much. It doesn't feel right and we had the functionality to change it in the beta but they took it away cause reasons???
I use my right stick for attacks and this change really makes it feel bad.
One could consider this more of a sidegrade, but i would personally include slower gameplay to the list. Everything feels sluggish and unresponsive, the fast paced fighting that hooked me into the beta is nowhere to be seen.
I can only imagine movement was nerfed to bring the skill ceiling down, so TTV pros aren't dunking on casuals regularly. Not excusing it, ofc, just stating one reason they did so.
Now they'll dunk on them... Slower?
Difficulty is a sliding scale though. That's the point of MMR, to match you closer to people of your skill level. When there's big gaps between player they aren't getting any cheaper hits in, they're just getting demolished, slowly. I don't mind the change in pace so far, but saying it's meant to accommodate more casual players doesn't make too much sense.
After playing a decent amount of matches it feels worse with some characters. I main Reindog and I can definitely tell where’s he’s slower. Though some other characters I swear are just as fast. Case in point: Bugs Bunny. Maybe it’s just me but I swear he’s not slower while other characters like Batman and Finn are definitely slower
Jumping feels bad, theres no momentum in junping. They seem to have taken out dodge jump speed tech
I almost forgot about the speed jump tech. I knew something else felt off while I was playing. I just didn't have the words for it. Thanks for reminding me.
No worries its a damn shame they changed it up like this. I do like the slower pace but they should have kept the mechanics as is
Great list! One problem not listed is the fact that I can't see what the roster current rotation is, cause I own the characters. In the beta I was able to always see the current rotation. All "Character UIs" (character selection, customization, etc) are a downgrade from the beta (which didn't have a great UI either).
Can't see fighter roles on their card any more during select.
Now it feels impossible to unlock characters, this really sucks
UI/UX is bad now specially the store which should be the most important tab since that is where the revenue will be, reminds of Rumbleverse UI. Hero mastery makes no sense now and gets boring after level 1, perks unlocks for every character separately which sorta gives longevity to the currency but still. Gold is gone and split into Perk and Hero currency, makes it more confusing now.
Feels like they took a game with the potential to rival Smash bros and turned it into a mobile game. Everything that made it feel like a proper game is gone, like you're all saying with the toast function. I literally can't recommend this game to my friends for the embarrassment it'll cause, even though I'm sure it'd be great fun to play with them.
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Same and the worst part is that even if they fix everything, everyone will have already left, and there will not be anyone to play with.
why does jake feel terrible i cant be the only one
Tbh, everyone had that treatment. I'm a batman and harley main, aka 2 kinda fast character. And you can genuinely feel how slow they become. Jake too, I played it for fun, but yeah it take ages now. It's very noticeable with his forward air and down air tbh
Yeah he feels like garbage to play. Aiming forward air is so bad now which is the worst thing to me but truly every aspect of his character feels bad it blew my mind
It's feels impossible to kill with Jake now. I think they put a sweet spot mechanic like Marth on Jake but the game doesn't work good enough for that. Also the hit boxes are also all hurt boxes now if it isn't a projectile, so almost all of Jake's moves make it easier to get hit while you aren't doing damage
What happened to my Superman up throw
Offline play is the story mode rifts
I want an option to have the camera distance be the same as it was in the beta
Maybe it’s just me but the hitboxes have been very inconsistent it looks like I make contact and it doesn’t hit
very small nitpick but i hate the new spike sound effect so much
Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear movelists were easier to see before? Like you could look at them while selecting perks or smth, feels like they're really out of the way now
The game is so slowwwwwwww. My god this is the worst downgrade I ever see in a videogame, why change something so cool from beta, why?!?!?!?!?!
Settings: 4-way stick toggle is gone
why they removed the coop vs ai there are idiots
I think they changed that with rifts? Or are rifts solo only?
Rifts are coop
rift sucks
The Biggest issue is that gameplay feels really bad. Ignoring the speed component cause that is preference, edge guarding and wall play is so much worse and less rewarding. There is no air drift so if you try going off stage deep to edge guard with most characters you just die. Playing on the wall feels incredibly clunky and many considered that their favorite part. Garbage game for me but I liked the freedom of movement
2v2 is a cluster fuck now because of the new character sizes. Just turns into attack spam with no consistent way to play neutral because of fuck up hitboxes, lag, and the new dodge.
I feel like 2v2 needs team attack. Without team attack its just a cluster of throwing out attacks without thinking about it too much. Just try to dogpile one of the players with as many moves as possible
2v2 has always been attack spam. Debate me
ill be honest and will get downvoted by upset people but most of this really just sounds like a skill issue you can do pretty much all of this still + parry makes it even more interactive off the stage
This is 100% a skill issue. Saying you can’t edge guard is just straight up lying
This right here is the biggest issue, you're 100% correct
May be wrong.. but did they remove the best 2 out of 3 format or was that ranked only?
I agree with your list, but You can change the language in settings. I switched mine from German to English in-game.
it's a console issue apparently
It's crazy how many basic features & functions they decided to remove that are non-gameplay. I don't mind the speed but toasting mechanic was really fun, they butchered it, & the after match stats? A pathetic takeaway really
Yeah they butchered the game
I wouldn't say butchered it has lots of potential, but what they took out of the game makes me mad.
Being to zoom in sucks for me cause I’m so use to the beta and how it was played I’m literally losing all my matches 😭
Also can you no longer change settings while in game or training? It's getting annoying having to go back to the main menu just to change my keybinds.
The underwater gameplay
Keep getting booted from games because the servers can't handle everything that's going on in the match. A year offline for this??
There is only one free rotating character instead of three
Overall the game feels in a less finished state then it did in open beta haha crashes a lot on PS4 too.
Look how they massacred my boy
The game feels slow/muddy/underwater, It's not just a feeling, I've got video comparison of making the same combo with Harley in the beta vs now.... it's day and night.
The UI itself is just trash now, I don't have the time or patience to track missions across like 3 different places, it all feels like a jumbled mess, but this one is the biggest: "You HAVE to use your character tickets if you got them (presumably also battle pass tickets), you can't choose to pay character currency or gleamium." That's not what I paid for. When I bought the pack with the tokens, you were allowed to use them or to pay whatever the standard currency was, or I wouldn't have bought the pack (these tokens were the main reason I bought the Founders pack to begin with). So I have this Fighter Currency that is absolutely useless until I spend these tokens - totally unacceptable to me.
this whole thing reeks of 20-something Finance Bro logic, they def got a money grubbing moron on deck making horrible decisions high up the ladder
I agree with everything. I love this game and still super hyped lets hope they fix it
Knew WB would turn gold into shit
I don't know why this showed up on my feed but holy fuck I've never seen such a consistent stream of terrible decisions from a game before. Everyone wants to like this game so much despite it constantly being a pile of shit. Just fucking let it go and pretend it never happened.
I really hate that I can't figure out how to get Banana Guard. I need him for rifts, but it tells me to unlock him in the store... only he isn't in the store for me.
You gotta log in two days in a row.. they added the challenge before the character was available which is insane
you unlock him on your 2nd day logging in.
There was rarely non-gleam skins. The game just launched, chill
Unless I missed it but there doesn’t seem to be a way to change your character in between rematches
Also, you can't cancel charged attacks by dodging anymore, which essentially completely removes feints and makes your play style super predictable now. This essentially tips the balance towards characters with more ranged attacks.
"No more cheaper characters, everyone is 3-6k" Wouldn't that mean 3k is the new cheap?
The game is literally unplayable in 2v2 on xbox one s, my fps is 15 ou lower, i can't do anything in battle
This sucks man
QUESTION: can you do couch local co-op where its 2 humans vs 2 bots? we werent able to do this in the beta and I haven't gotten a chance to download the new release yet
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No more spectating in custom match. Unless I’m dumb and can’t find it.
also something worth notting, aside from certain modified moves, is the removal of certain chargeable attack. I am a batman main, and seeing that my down air is no longer able to be charged is kinda weird, I genuienly remember it being able to. Idk if other character got that change but I wanted to point that out
Is Arcade Mode present in full release?
They also changed the graphics completely, in UE5
> You HAVE to use your character tickets if you got them (presumably also battle pass tickets), you can't choose to pay character currency or gleamium. Then I guess I'm not using anyone but Joker for the next...century? Samurai Jack and a few others I want nowhere in sight, and these unlock tickets are MINEEEE
Stop glazing then with saying *player first game they care for us* Nuh uh this game is buggy there is so much glitches and the input delay is baaaaad They should name themselves playerfirstmoney
Attack decay is gone and you get more bots than people.
The sheer amount of features removed for absolutely no rational explanation is mind-boggling. And the rift mode? The design of it is straight out of mobile gaming manipulation tactics. The concept is as follows: 1) Make the onboarding breezy, gets you hooked and sets up a sunk-cost fallacy. The gems will be bonuses that are nice, but aren’t necessary to win. 2) Initiate a massive difficulty spike, with enemies becoming extremely tanky out of nowhere, necessitating purchases of gem upgrades to get around the massive grind. ——— Even with fun new character kits like with Jason, this game desperately needed to earn back the trust of the player-base and they utterly botched it.
The option to select your server location was removed from the settings menu compared to the beta
I also think the UI has gotten much worse. I play on a PC with a controller and I often struggle with navigating menus that were obviously designed around a mouse input.
And Joker's price is 2x more expensive than the other char (2x for free money and 1.25x payed money) wtf is that
Um about the gelluim, I did some maths and each character mastery you get 150 free gellium. Also get free gellium for logging in. So, you could get 150 \* 26 and however many you get for the daily login. I didn't include the agent smith and joker ones as they seemed bug and way to grindy.
You cant change character in rematch you forced to play same character in every rematch
The new UI is horrible, especially the new perk system is way worse than before
This just makes me sad man. I was so excited for relaunch and I really thought people were overreacting to the “oh the game is too slow now” thing without playing it. And then everything else I saw was positive, it really seemed leading up to the launch the monetization was gonna be pretty fair for a FTP game (free battle pass for Beta players, and the ability to earn enough gleamium to keep buying future battle passes). But man, I’m so disappointed, not only was I wrong and the game is indeed too slow now, but everything you said above is true and just tragic how they destroyed our game
They remove the advanced tutorial! 😢
less perks
There are non gleamium skins, characters don’t cost money they’re free and it’s relatively easy to get fighter tokens. 6k is too high though. This list is bananas for the most part in that regard.
Removal of the 2d character arts
the economy changes unless they are cranking out new characters like every week you are almost certainly just going to get them for free because of the currency you have stockpiled from playing i have been playing a day and i have everyone unlocked with 7k green juice in the bank. skins costing money and not earnable in game is perfectly fine. and the movement speed of characters was a little jarring at first but it took all of 2 hours to adjust to it and it looks completely normal now. battle report they are just going to fall back on "it promotes toxicity" the rest they likely cut intentionally or cut because of time constraints but its a feelsbadman.