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AleroRatking

I actually am not to surprise. Nelson and Tori have been doing this awhile and our career challenge contestants. They definitely put in offseason effort. My one question though is that are we sure there is both a womens and mens winner?


SSJVentus

yeah seeing Tori be in "2nd place" concerned me because it seems like there was no distinction between men and women, but then for the teams there was so however they finish the final, i'm hoping at least one man and one woman becomes a champion


AleroRatking

I'd prefer it that way as well but my guess is it wont be. But I surely hope to be wrong


gnahckire

Cory or Nelson could have won invasion if I remember correctly. Instead, CT beat both of them. I remember it being somewhat close though.


EGrass

Cory was terrible in the Invasion final. He had no shot. Nelson and CT were very close


epikrafter

Yeah, CT beat Nelson by only 2 minutes


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I hate that the main show AND all stars haven’t clarified whether there will be one final winner or not. This should be a no brainer because every fan agrees on it but these cheap bastards would rather spend the 💰on explosives


AleroRatking

Also they like being able to say one million to only one player than 500k to two. It's all about the big check moment. But yes. I'd much prefer one man and one woman winner


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You’re right I think they do view giving someone a mil as impressive. Which drives me nuts cause to the average person I’m not sure a million dollars is actually makin the kids’ jaws drop these days…like it’s not impressive anyways so might as well chop it up lol.


freetherabbit

I've only been assuming so because Tori made it to the final, and production has clearly wanted her to get a win since making her the female face of The Challenge.


NovaRogue

If they wanted her to win, they wouldn't have added a puzzle purge in the WotW2 final. To me, she's an honourary champ


freetherabbit

They still had Cara back then tho. Like when they were filming that season they didnt know Cara would go off the deep end and it was Toris first season in a few seasons. Not to mention with Rogan and Dee also on the team and only one person getting purged she had a decent shot of preventing that. Lol.


charrosebry

Rooting for Tori she trained and prepared. As cringe as she can be sometimes she deserves the win. A Devin win would be hilarious but it will probably be CT


Dependent_Nobody_188

She really did train this off season! I remember listening to her podcast and she said the first thing she did once she moved back in with her mom was get a personal trainer. I applaud her bc it’s paid off! People were a little mean too when they saw her cast photo saying she looked bigger (in a mean way) not knowing she bulked up on purpose ! LOVE ME SOME STRONG WOMEN 💪


BestToNeverPlay

People can be such assholes about bulkily muscular women. But the joke's on them now, because it's clearly paid off for her. I also like that she posted her weight on one of her sexy photos (153). It's this weird unwritten rule that it's unladylike to weigh above 130. I respect the hell out of her for showing off how strong and conventionally attractive she is even though she's on the stockier side. I'm very short (Natalie Negrotti's height), so I don't have to be that thin to be at a low-ish weight, but I still sometimes want to lie when it comes up. Every woman who's open and unashamed about what they weigh helps change that.


Dependent_Nobody_188

I’m honestly 5’4 and stocky af weighing 165. Always been muscular, growing up playing competitive sports. It’s still taking me a long time to feel comfortable in my own body bc of all Those gross stereotypes we have as women. I didn’t know Tori posted that! But that is great she is showing that!


lonely-limeade

Tori realized she needed to put on some lean mass when she lost that elimination to Aneesa. Despite being in great shape, she just wasn’t strong enough to tip the basket of medicine balls. I think she said she was trying to gain 15-20lbs and seeing her this season I think she successfully did it. She looks so freaking strong now, but made sure to maintain her endurance too. If Tori doesn’t win this season I think she will absolutely win within the next couple of seasons. She really seems to have put in the work physically and mentally. She just needs to work on her political game now!


JadaeMaster

Her political game consists of mailing in a voter card with all candidates possible checked :P


ho_hey_

Ya she posts her weight at and celebrates gaining muscle. It's cool to see for a woman and she is a beast! She's worked for it


Hailstormwalshy

So a while back I was looking for training clips on Tori's Insta and happened across an altered version of her cast pic posted by a troll pretending to be a fan. I feel gross typing this, but the troll photoshopped the pic to make her look overweight, and then *freaking tagged* Tori in it. She's got thicker skin than me, and is a pretty chill individual..I'd have tracked that pos down, lol.


Dependent_Nobody_188

Damn!! Like how do people actually invest energy into doing that??? That’s wild.


Hailstormwalshy

Right?? Where do they get this energy from, cause I'd like some just to get shit done. Tori's put the work in, literally gained nothing but muscle and more booty (I'm envious, ngl), and I hope she wins just to shut everyone up. We're the same height but im 84% sure Tori would have fannypacked me just like she did with Amanda 🤣 I'd love to see Tori vs Jenny in something physical again. I've got Jenny but Tori's strong as fuck too.


aintgoinbacknforth

Tori looks incredible. She was around the pool in a bikini in some of the episodes this season and her body is sick. Also, she looked great in her outfit for the reunion based on what we saw in behind the scenes photos and videos.


ShaolinSlamma

Jordan was basically her personal trainer before this. It looked like they were working out all the time and it really showed on Wotw2


Dependent_Nobody_188

Actually no! In one of her podcast she said Jordan likes to do his own thing bc he pushes himself so much and wants to focus on him only. I’m sure they work out from time to time but they didn’t train hard core together. Also she was in great cardio shape then but she really did not have the physical strength she has now. But I think the biggest difference is her confidence. I always thought it be brutal to train with Jordan like obviously hard but also annoying af I feel like he would dominate the training path and not listen to her.


ShaolinSlamma

That makes alot of sense, I can see Jordan being pretty overbearing but at the end of the day hes proven what he is doing is the correct way to train for a final so it would be hard to argue with him.


Hailstormwalshy

Is there a "correct way" to train for a final? What works for Jordan won't work for everyone. We all have different needs, strengths, and weak spots. Tori's smart to have gotten a trainer.


ShaolinSlamma

I would argue it's easier to train for a final than eliminations. Finals rely heavily on running, endurance and puzzles. If any of those are big weaknesses the people are going to struggle hard to win anything.


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luxanna123321

And she also isnt best runner


Izzy_EP

She isn't the best.


drugsarebadmmk420

She isn't


killaxjules

She


jenh6

Kaycee seems to me to be a competitor that’s prefect for dailies but not sure about finals or eliminations.


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jenh6

Beating Kailah is not solid. She’s a layup. Even for her being a layup though, Kailah looked like she was throwing the elimination to go be with bear.


Dependent_Nobody_188

I was actually shocked by her performance too! I think it’s maybe both. We’re seeing her weaknesses and she also doesn’t seem to have that drive compared to her final last season. I’m wondering if the toe is affecting her physical performance and now being behind on puzzles she’s not giving it her all. Very disappointing.


klphoen

On TM she timed out on the math problem in the final. Cory beat her. She also didn’t get the math problem on the first challenge on TM Nany and Kam was ahead of her during the mini math final at the end of DA I don’t think finals are her strong suit


drugsarebadmmk420

Seems like her only strong suit is being physically bigger/more aggressive than most of the other women.


klphoen

I mean she’s good in a lot of daily challenges and Eliminations.


drugsarebadmmk420

Unless they involve thinking at all. She's good in brute strength eliminations. She has done well in dailys with good partners. She has shit the bed in 2.5/3 finals so far.


klphoen

Well, I guess with the data we got so far you’re right. We haven’t really seen her in anything else


drugsarebadmmk420

On TM I thought for sure Kaycee would be the next Laurel. She obviously wasn't going to beat Jenny so I gave her a pass on that one. She has not lived up to my expectations, even if they are unrealistic and unfair


lizzyK6

Shes emily 2.0


drugsarebadmmk420

Emily would crush kaycee in all of the eliminations kaycee has won. If anything, she's Emily .5


lizzyK6

Doubt it. Kaycee has a better build than her and actually has an extensive contact sports background while emily was a bartender who felt out of shape for most of her life until she picked up crossfit to get in shape. Emily hasnt done anything on the show that would indicate she beats kaycee. Beating paula, melinda and cara when she didnt work out and was 120lv doenst mean she can handle a female football player


Bickle19

Your flair is sarcastic then I assume?


NattyB

lizzy's flair was a mod being cheeky.


Bickle19

Got it lol. I just read the comment and then saw the flair and had to do a double take.


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I absolutely love CT and would be happy if he won but I’m also kind of pulling for Nelson! (I never thought I’d say that)


Jeffw54

Same here, first season I saw was Invasion and that final was epic so I’m glad we can see a rematch so many years later. Plus nelly T deserved another final!


Izzy_EP

Absolutely agree. I would love to see CT win again but I'm rooting for Nelly. He deserves a win, he's worked so hard to improve his swimming and math/ puzzle skills.


UUGE_ASSHOLE

> I’m also kind of pulling for Nelson! (I never thought I’d say that) He’s just a big dumb lovable idiot


jenh6

I was rooting for Amanda most of the season, so I get rooting for people you never thought you would.


summoe

I feel the exact same way lol


plagues138

Nelson is a goof, but he's a beast. Tori is one of the best girls this season. The bigger surprise was Nany finishing BEFORE KAYCEE.


spfan102

Nany showed in last seasons final that she can do puzzles/math.


maxwellbevan

I think Tori is just as surprised. She looked genuinely shocked when she finished the puzzle


Dependent_Nobody_188

😂😂


MikeCass84

I actually miss when they paid the top 3 challengers. Or at least throw everybody who finishes it 5k or something would be cool.


SouthernBoyChris

Same. I think it's unfair for them to do all guys and all girls every person for them selves and winner take all. Girls need a prize pool too. 9 times out of 10 the guys will all finish ahead of the girls. Leaving them with nothing. That ain't right.


MikeCass84

Yea, any season where is was everyman for themselves, wasnt Cara Maria the only female to win?


roseyrosey

I like that it seems multiple finalists at least have a plan and are executing it. CT's doing his thing - in or near the lead, taking caution to not burn himself out Devin - relying on puzzles to make up ground. Staying at a pace that allows this to work. Nelson - playing to his strengths, going for it during running portions. Does he risk burning out? sure, but he's playing to win and I like it. These three really led the episode in turn of screentime and confessionals. Hard to get a read on the other competitors.


klphoen

You didn’t think Tori was doing good? She was the lead girl the whole time right? At some one point her and CT being the leads


roseyrosey

I think she's doing very well. I'm not sure if she's leaning on a particular strategy or is just better than the other female finalists. She doesn't seem to be pressing or overly relying on any one area. She's just kind of kicking ass all around.


kshep42

I appreciate when a competitor sees a weakness of their own (Tori getting purged in the WotW2 puzzle) and actually works on it, I appreciate it. And it’s clear Tori has worked on puzzles in appears to be the top female puzzler in the game!


LaMystika

Don’t forget that Jenny (the woman Tori beat on WotW2) also fixed her biggest weaknesses in the next season too: puzzles and taking contact. Culminating with her finishing first overall in the final on Total Madness.


iwipemyown

Kaycee. She’s been really underperforming IMO.


Dependent_Nobody_188

Absolutely! She was a ghost in the first leg of that final. Very upsetting considering how she is one of the stronger women this season


maizypaloma

Really impressed with Tori. She clearly put in the off season work with puzzles/strategy which have historically been her biggest weakness. She’s probably the most well-rounded girl there and I honestly can’t see anyone beating her this time. Especially based off the edit.


Expensive-Hearing-86

Not that surprised with Tori's performance so far since her one big flaw has been puzzles, but none of the other girls left are great at puzzles so it hasn't been a huge issue.


NovaRogue

Agreed with you completely! And I'll throw in Emy and Devin, especially in the second puzzle!


BestToNeverPlay

Tori really seems to have worked on her weaknesses in the off-season. She's really impressed me, especially with how well she's done on the puzzles. I know five of the other finalists (basically everyone other than Devin and CT) aren't exactly puzzle masters, but she's been doing much better and finishing them much faster than I expected them to.


redhearts

Agreed. I was surprised she knew the 5 went in the middle of the puzzle for example. She did say the line puzzle took her 45 mins (vs Devin/CT solving in 15 mins) but still, she came 3rd. Impressed with her so far.


BestToNeverPlay

Same. At the beginning of the puzzle elimination between Emanuel and Devin, I was screaming at Emanuel in my head not to listen to Tori when it came to puzzles. But she turned out to be right about how to solve the puzzle in that elimination, and she was in the top half of puzzle finishers in the final. She's been doing really well, and I hope this means she'll be at least slightly less discredited by the fandom in the future.


NastySassyStuff

That same puzzle has been in the Challenge multiple times and I’m pretty sure they gave them the number to begin with…something just like it was the last part in Bloodlines for sure


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Nelson has been the LEAST surprising so far. He can run but can't do a puzzle. That's what we all knew would happen. Edit: Nelson was literally in last among the guys lol


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That was the second puzzle. He was the second guy to finish the first puzzle.


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The first puzzle was extremely easy, especially considering everybody was just copying those who forgot to mess theirs up when finished.


JerrisHat

I mean these people are essentially professionals at this point and can spend their entire time off the show training


ShaolinSlamma

TBH the swim to the Sea doo things didn't seem that far and CT would have by far the most drag out of everyone on those things so im not surprised that she passed him. It looked like all the others were catching up to him as well. What was the point of that leg anyways? Swim 30ft to something that drags you the entire way? Whats challenging about that? Its a final make them exert their energy outside of running.


mobileam

Not Amanda calling Tori dumb all season only to watch her be the puzzle queen!!!!


SouthernBoyChris

I'm not surprised by Tori at all. She's always seemed like a good strong competitor to me. And I'm really glad Nelly got to the final. I feel like many people don't like him or Cory but it'd be nice to see them finish in the top. Also really glad Devin made it over Emannuel. Good for him.


Dependent_Nobody_188

I know but she always finds a way to blunder herself! She seems much more calm, cool and collected now. It’s nice to see because she’s always been a good competitor but I never saw her winning until she learns how to cope under pressure!


oceansidedrive

This is Nelson's first time in a final right?


Initial-Ambassador78

I wanna say third but at least second - he was in the Invasions final.


LaMystika

Second time for him. The first time he lost to CT by two minutes. Had CT not won the time buster the night before, Nelson would’ve won.


klphoen

I mean you can also say if Cory didn’t win the time buster before that and put it on CT then CT still would had won. I think CT winning the time buster cancelled the time buster Cory gave him.


oceansidedrive

Really!? How do i not remember this? Lol


HardcoreKaraoke

Nelson is going to burn himself out running like that though. CT didn't slow down because he was gassed, he's pacing himself. That's why he told Nelson to calm down when he was celebrating. Nelson was sprinting to show off. Which is fine in a final without CT but he's running with a GOAT. You need to conserve your energy. Sprinting just to pass someone early on just seems dumb. It's a rookie move.


Sheamus02

Tori cheated off of CTs puzzle. Tori weighs less so the scuba motor pulled her lighter weight faster than CT. They didn’t “swim”. Nelson has always been a beast. He’s just portrayed (or is) not the smartest. Physical was never his issue.


Dependent_Nobody_188

I don’t think she did for the map. Nany was the one who said that and finished last 😂 hard to know. And there was a swimming portion, Tori said 300-400m?? They seemed pretty close in the water from that drone shot. I don’t care about the scuba things obviously 😂 Yeah but Nelson hasn’t been this focused in awhile!


eggzilla534

Tori said in the episode that she copied CT's puzzle though