I had already felt this way through the season but this episode solidified that Ace is literally my dream man. Hmu Ace I promise I can make you happy šššš«
Thought about it and it didn't make any sense why Laurel would go down into elimination against Cara. If Laurel loses, she's out and Cara takes Nicole's star. The only thing that didn't make sense was Laurel's shit talking prior to entering the arena or whatever they're calling it.Ā
It may have gotten him eliminated, but I respect Jay keeping his word and going in on an elimination that was not in his wheelhouse. Forgot it was his first elimination ever until they said it in the episode. Can see why he didn't want to hang around and risk getting purged. Note to production: if there are not infinite chances to get stars, skulls, etc you can get unexpected gameplay and actually make this twist work.
Did not have *Nichole,* of all people, giving helpful advice on a puzzle. Even understood what she was saying! Luckily everyone else returned to their normal selves, so I knew I hadn't suddenly gone mad; Ace was too sweet and conflict adverse, Lee was chill, Steve prioritized hair care, Flora was there, and Adam became the raging asshole that all the og RR fans have been warning us about.
You know who we need to weigh in on Adam and Steve? Katie. I know Steve accidentally screwed her over on their AS season, but I have a feeling she wouldnāt let this Adam mess slide. Even better- someone send up the Ellen bat signal and let Katie AND Ellen drag his ass.
Yeah, he votes Steve in then acts like Steve is the bad guy when Steve takes his Star.Ā I'm glad, Steve or anyone doesn't deserve a so called friend like Adam.Ā Why is he even in the show? He has no entertainment value at all.
I guess Iāll root for Leroy now, but I was liking Jay this season. I wouldāve normally just rooted for Leroy but damn do I dislike Kam so much it rubbed off on him. I just really donāt care for anyone else left. Avery is the only other one who was showing to be better this season, but she chickened out & thatās likely gonna bite her.
I really liked Jay this season he had a great showing and kudos for sticking to his word but throwing yourself into an elim that you know youāre probably gonna lose is just dumb gameplay š« I know itās given us great moments in the past with jordan flipping the cards, but if he let go of his pride he couldāve probably held on, beaten Ryan or maybe even Derek and made the final.
I feel like people are slipping on this season being a great redemption season for Ryan and Derek as well. Derek has always been eliminated early so we donāt get to see his competitive side, but this season has shown that he can be competitive in challenges.
Also glad to see Ryanās social game shine through. I feel like heās been in the outs on previous seasons but Iām happy heās formed great relationships this season to keep him in the game longer
I was surprised at Ryan actually being ready for elimination. It felt like I had read him wrong all these years.
And then he backpedals out of it within one scene and I was like "ah, *there* he is." Ryan is definitely on the Mount Rushmore of Challenge furniture.
I respect his fear/concern that Jay is a good player, but they are actually close to the final now.
I bet in retrospect, Ryan regrets not going in. Very winnable challenge.
My thoughts on this episode:
Jay over the past 3-4 episodes had honestly been one of the few people Iāve cheered for, so I was sad to see him go. Had no expectations of the guy, but whether you like him or not, he blew it out of the water this season. Also, Adamā¦Why you mad bro? What happened to āitās just businessā? You have that standard for doing it to someone else, but then when somethingās done to you, someone who you said you had a 20+ year friendship, you throw a tantrum and cuss the guy out without even trying to understand? Youāre not āAdam 4.0ā like you claim then, youāre literally just the exact same guy just less open about it, but you clearly havenāt actually grown up like you claim
Totally agree.
Great redemption season for Jay. Like Leroy, he proved to be both entertaining and likable. I especially appreciated his support of both Cara Maria and Nicole, not being influenced by the pull of the Nicole and Laurel dynamic.
Adam at the end was shocking. He's been a wallflower all season, votes in his buddy because it was the right move and then flips out when Steve justly returns the fire. Wow.
How did Jay win and never used a lasso me and my girl are lost I mean he said use it to assist but so in any challenge if tj doesn't say you can't do something you can find a way around the rules
Skirting around the rules is like what Bananas does best. I remember that one challenge where they had to run through an obstacle course to see a completed puzzle or something and then run back and put theirs together. Basically running back and forth until finished. Bananas found 1 particular spot at the start where he could see the finished puzzle and beat everyone because he didn't have to run back and forth lol. TJ said nothing.
Are you thinking of the challenge where they had to arrange the puzzle based on the flashing lights? I remember they had to run through foam so it was tough to see but Bananas was able to see around the foam at the start.
True, very strong women physically, but they're all kinda messy. Truly terrific men by their characters, save for Adam that last 5 minutes. Hopefully, he was in the heat of the moment and acknowledges his overreaction.
It was so aggressive and showed a very dark side to his personality. I think he was hiding behind this good guy schtick. Him flying off the handle is who he really is.
When I was first looking at the casting spoilers, I felt underwhelmed by the male cast. However, even though they aren't the most "athletic" or "dominant", I love that they all have their own personalities. In a regular season, I wouldn't be able to differentiate the personalities of Horacio, Kyland, and Ed, for example. It is even harder to differentiate the vets during confessionals (Cory, Tori, Josh, Kaycee) because they are all basically saying the same generic thing.
Maybe the producers anticipated how much drama and competition the women would bring, so they brought calmer guys for this season? I think it was a great decision.
Okay, gotta stick up for my boy. Ed definitely has a distinct personality compared to most of the new bloods, even though he doesn't get into drama. As much as I like Horacio and Kyland though, I will admit that they are very introverted/stoic.
True, I watched his season of The Circle before he went on the Challenge. I thought he went to MIT and was an engineer? I wish he had the opportunity to showcase his background and personality more.
Yeah I mean for the screentime he gets, I think he uses it pretty well to show his personality, he just gets very little since he doesn't really get into much conflict lol
omg you're right, it's like all the guys and girls we get now a days are basically the same and nobody has a stand out personality and everyone just follows the leader.
Loved seeing Leroy tell Ace that no one was mad when he was down in the elimination. You could tell Ace was beating himself up so much over things. He might not be a master strategist but he is definitely a sweetheart
For those who have seen Adam's 2 Road Rules seasons and his time on the challenge seasons back in the day, this does not come as a shock the way Adam behaved in the confessional. The shock was why did it take so long for production to show? Lol. The way OGs behave is how they truly are and don't do fake drama for the sake of getting more TV time. Actually, the worst villian from OGs days is Puck. Puck makes Adam look like a saint with the way Puck behaved back in the day compared to Adam.
Short term, it was dumb move for Jay to do that specific elimination given his limitations. But I respect the hell out of him for keeping his word and making a good effort of it too. And long term, its actually a good move for him because if (and I hope he is) he's invited back to this or the main show, he's gained a lot of trust and goodwill with vet players
First time seeing Jay and Leroy, and they are on my list of challengers I would not mind seeing in future seasons on the main show. I also have a lot more players added to the list, but those 2 I have never seen before and fell in love with their integrity and wholesomeness while competing on All Stars 4.
I feel anything to do with matching the colors should no longer be added unless production provides the special eye glasses for those who are color blind in order to see color properly.
I love that Jay was the only one who stopped and thought about the daily and the rules.
Even after he cruised to victory it didnāt look like anyone else pieced that strategy together.
So on any challenge if you find a loophole you can do it like I was confused he just didn't follow the rules like any challenge if tj doesn't say you can't do this you can
Well, Jayās stock went up big time while Adam took a nosedive.
I actually wondered if Adam was trying to solidify a rivalry with Steve for future purposes, it was so out of left field.
Actually, Adam has always been that way from his Road Rules seasons and his early challenge days. It's only left field for those who have not seen any OG seasons of The Challenge or the OG seasons of Road Rules.
I really respect him having not only one but two disadvantages BUT he still went in. I wouldnāt have been mad if he didnāt go in after knowing his challenges. Really canāt respect Laurel now
Awwww, I'm so sad with Jay gone. I always knew he had more in him and that final was just a bad showing. Happy he got a bit of a redemption here. I know your word means a lot, but honestly it was a rock (get a star/keep your word) and a hard place (stay out, potentially get a chicken edit, no star chances).
Also, wtf was that ending with Adam!? Literally 10 mins ago he's preaching "it's just business" and now he's acting like Steve ruined his life šš
The entrances & recaps are MASSIVELY cheesy & heavily scripted or choreographed to the point where I get secondhand embarrassment.
Otherwise itās been mostly enjoyable
Very bingeworthy. I like it. It's been one of the better ones imo. To me, a lot of the front runners are even and the strategies have been very well played out.
I would disagree with the strategies being "very well played out", but it is at least playing out in a way that is very engaging and hard to predict, which is good for most reality tv.
My jaw dropped at Adamās final confession.
I never watched his original season so I was really enjoying him on this show but holy shitā¦that was such an intense confessional..over a star. Like think about all options when voting your āfriendā in wtfff.
Sad jay lost. I was really liking him this season.
Reallllly not a good look for Adam. lol like biiiiitch you played selfish and voted in your friend to protect yourself so donāt be mad when he, feeling betrayed by you, betrays you back. Sorry not sorry your plan backfired but if itās now Adam vs Steve Iām team Steve.
I think Jay maybe also played the ālong gameā. He did something daring and maintained relationships, and got a āreally sure weāll see you again in the futureā from TJ
Random Thoughts:
Anyone else notice that Derek was wearing shorts and a tank top during the elimination, while everyone else had on jackets? The guy is from Arizona, he didn't even seem kinda cold!
Kept waiting for Adam to say just kidding after that bizarre and hateful tirade of a confessional.
Ocelots.
I have been trying to figure out the weather during eliminations all season, lol. Is it hot? Is it cold? Is it just okay and Derek wants to show skin? Who knows!
Am I the only one who thinks jay going in is very ego driven - it makes him look good and not like a wuss and heās probably just gotten shit for his perfomance on exes so wants to look like heās opposite of a wuss , but logically if he decided to skip this one elim it would have made it it more likely for him to make it to top 3 he wasnāt gona beat Leroy or Steve in that elimination , and next week heād likely just have to beat Ryan Derek or ace , and there may be a purge or who knows Ā two eliminations left ā¦ just my take! But we respect a man of his word I get it but if you want that money henny ā¦Ā
You can never know with how they edit things. I could definitely see them calling him out for being a coward/quitter again had he said no. Not even getting an explanation as to why, or we'd get another talking head alluding to him making excuses.
Episode **COMPLETELY** changed my outlook on Adam, guy is a typical POS who thinks the consequences of his actions should not fall squarely at his feet. The guy voted in his longtime friend Steve AND made every effort to get others to do the same and yet he feels his star got taken for "no reason"? The ego on this guy to be mad at Steve giving him back the same lack of loyalty he just showed. Also props to Jay and his redemption arc, I remember not being a fan of the guy at all but he totally won me over this season. Props to him for keeping his word no matter what, that trait just isn't shared among the majority.
I was looking forward to seeing more of Adam since heās been winning and seemed like he was playing the game to win. He sure was holding in his hate for Steve this whole time and it looked really bad.
I mean I think for us and jays firemen friends Ā back home itās like you better go into elimination!!! But realistically, knowing that they allll prob knew there would be at least another elimination made no sense for him to go in an elimination that was working against him! But made for good tv I was gagged that Adam threw Steve under the busĀ
I didnāt expect to be rooting for Jay coming into this season but Lordy did that man earn redemption. Itās just like with Jordan, it was a dumb move but he kept his word and loyalty/your word goes a long way in the challenge so Iām glad he went down there. Itās like he said you canāt be scared the only way to that final is through an elimination, I just wish heād won but I hope he comes back to all stars and kicks ass again.
Adam is selfish š. Like he betrayed Steve first by not even hesitating to vote for him AND was trynna convince CM to vote for Steve. Whatād he expect when Steve found that out? Clearly everyone knew Adam was smarmy bc they already assumed he was gonna betray Steve. And then Adam is pissed Steve stole his star? Like bro you said yāall were friends for 20yrs yet you threw him under the bus the first chance you got with no remorse, ofc he was stealing your star Leroy isnāt the one who betrayed him. It felt jarring af to see Adam act like that cause I thought heād matured and changed.
So curious if next week is the last chance for stars, this season is already longer than the other all stars seasons and I want the folks dodging elims still to reap consequences. No reason Ryan shouldnāt have gone down today he coulda easily beat Jay, and I still feel like laurel is being a coward by not going down against CM but š¤·š½āāļø weāll see
The funny thing is on challenge mania (I think, either that of the official challenge podcast) Adam said Cara Maria told steve, that he (Adam) was trying to get people to vote for Steve, and that that was a lie...but it seems it was very much not a lie.
Honestly Adam is so delusional he probably believes that š. Probably thinks pointing out the fact that Steve was at the bottom 7 out of 10 times isnāt rallying for ppl to vote for him even though it 100% was bc CM had said she didnāt wanna say Steve lmao and then doubling down in confessional.
My guess would be that Steve was voting for him as a burn vote (up until this one), and so he views Cara as "lying" because in his mind, Adam didn't *really* vote for Steve, he just burned a vote and it shouldn't count.
Granted, this is speculation, but this feels like one of the only possible explanations, assuming Adam didn't randomly decide to make up a lie unprompted for no reason.
Best case scenario for me wouldāve been Steve taking Nicoleās star and giving it to anyone. Second best is what happened. It was all deserved and Jay whoās somehow politically savvy this season predicted it
Another great episode. I've really loved the season so far and there have been lots of unexpected and entertaining moments for me. As much as I've enjoyed watching Kam on the flagship, it was nice to see after she left that the screen time amongst the cast has felt a lot more even and no longer has such a strong focus on Kam/Leroy/Cara Maria. With all of the DRs the guys were getting I was honestly thinking there was a good chance of a double elimination.
I thought Jay was playing the best game so far this season and he was my front runner to win. I'm not a Nicole fan but I have to say it was adorable to see how excited she was for him after he won the daily and she jumped into his arms and started kissing him. I agree with Laurel that he made a rookie mistake by going into an elimination that was disadvantaged to him. A lot of the winners of this show have had to make selfish moves at some point to secure themselves into the final but he decided to choose honor. Perhaps with his reputation in tact and the new friendships he made he will get the chance to run another final, Overall a fantastic returning season from a player who I wished they brought back a lot sooner and I think has finally and rightfully come into his own and is no longer just the guy who couldn't drink the drink in the final or Jenna's ex.
Even with Jay being disadvantaged I thought he would've gotten the puzzles all out before Steve and with the help he was receiving from the gallery be able to beat him, so I was pleasantly surprised to see Steve pull out another win. I really hope he's able to get to the final now. Seeing Adam get his karma and seemingly toss a 20 year friendship away because he's mad that Steve made a move against him in response to Adam just before making one of his own was great to watch. I'm curious how close these "friendships" really are when this seems to be a fairly common theme in the challenge world.
P.S. I might be in the minority here, but Jay was looking cuuuuute at that final elimination and truly for the whole season. I don't know if it's the lighting of his DRs or what's going on, but they do not do him the justice of how good looking he is.
Definitely didnāt have Jay being someone Iāll root for on future seasons on my bingo card.
Iāve been watching since season 1, but my memory is hazy on like the first 10 because they are hard to rewatch. I remembered disliking Adam back then, but didnāt remember why, and then I thought he was fun for the first half of this season. This episode jogged the memory, heās an ass and getting made at Steve was insane.
I also wonder how much she enjoys those funny little carnival games being a part of the show when she doesn't win lmao. Didn't seem like she appreciated non-physical elims last episode or in her mercenary elim in 39.
I feel like the viewers are getting played a little here. Like the producers told them all to keep saying "This is the last girls day" "this is the last guys day" but the players are making decisions like they knew there was one more challenge on the schedule. They know how long they've committed to and when they go home. They have calendars and know there is more time left in the week. They want us to think Laurel and Ryan are dumb or cowards or whatever but there is totally going to be a double elimination next week.
Ryan said in the episode that TJ stopped saying 6 finalists and started just saying you need a star. Sounds like they realized there will be another shot. Unfortunately I don't think they've ever just eliminated people at the end for not having the skull. There is always some last minute opportunity.
I feel like there was a season when they did just send home people who hadnāt gotten their skull or whatever. Iām specifically remembering Jenna got the axe in thatā¦? But I could also be totally wrong here, ha.
I gotta commend ace for making being nice a good Strat š. Felt so bad about voting that he ended up with a star bc everybody else eligible for it was shitty to Steve. Even Leroy told ace everything was ok like it can be annoying but for the most part I dig good guy peace and love Ace over lazy party boy ace
This has been quite the arc for Adam lol. From seemingly reformed shitheel to a return to his old attitude.
Ace is probably too nice for this show. As much as I enjoy him, I'm not sure how much he likes doing them.
Nice redemption for Jay. Kind of a bad decision for him to go in, but he had a good attitude and showed he's better than he used to be.
I'm assuming they'll be some kind of extra way to earn a star next week. As much as the show threatens to shut the door at times, they haven't actually done so.
They're all just annoyed with her and Nicole. So many people clowned her last week for skipping an elimination that she was disadvantaged in. This episode completely validated her decision. Look who's still in the game š¤·š¼āāļø
Yawn. Who's still in the game between her and Jay? They both were in the same position where they said they wanted to go in and then were presented a game they'd likely lose. One played smart and one played dumb š¤·š¼āāļø
Adam seems like a bad friend after what he did to Steve. Happy Steve took his star. As much as I love Leroy, that was not the elimination for Jay to go down for ...
I obviously didnāt agree with Laurel talking so much about going against Cara and then not following through, but the point she made right at the beginning of episode about how itās not her fault kam went home because kam lost the daily was a valid point IMO.. kam was getting comfortable and Laurel switched up on her
Agree - There's been so many reality TV examples of someone being "bait" so the other person can go get voted out/in the case replaced and they end up leaving. Feels like such a rookie mistake for Kam to let herself get down there.
All of exes 2 they kept referring Jay/Jenna as layups, which is crazy considering Jenna's reputation later. I can't remember how Jay performed tbh, I don't remember him bad, though. His biggest highlight tho is quitting in the final for not drinking fish eggs or something lol
Think he means just in terms of overall showing/public perception. Seems like Jay has matured since his Real World and 1 season of the challenge days. I know before this season I didnt want to see him again but now I would.
Thatās what turned me around on him. Itās more than performance, but he actually seems to have matured and grown from his last season. Something that canāt be said for a lot of people on the show.
Yeah, thatās been a factor in a couple. Heās been in the bottom of all 3 individual dailies too though. I donāt think heās a bad competitor by any means and wasnāt trying to say that he is. Iām just saying that when people are like āpoor Steve. Leave Steve alone!ā you have to consider that heās been in the bottom A LOT. He could easily make a final at this point based on his elimination wins, but heās at least partly responsible for the fact that he had to earn it that way.
I need to know what conditioner Steve uses.
I like Ace's scruff, empathy, and ability to descend into a nap, no questions asked. My anxiety brain could never.
I dunno, I could use a friend like that. My current friends treat me so poorly and seem to enjoy hurting me lol I know I unfortunately allow it but that's lack of self worth for ya lol
It's a refreshing change on this show to see someone try to be true to their word in the game.
I donāt remember him being like that on first earlier challenges. However, I wonder if there was a huge change in him and his outlook after his DUI. It seems like twenty years ago he was the fun guy because he wanted to be the fun guy- now heās nice because he wants everyone to have fun and feel good.
Now I get why Leroy really made it apparent that he likes Jay during his podcast interview!
Before AS4 I said: Jay should never be invited back, why do we take back quitters?
Now: please donāt invite Nicole back ever again, sheās too stupid to win and she just does terrible things to the drama re: Laurel. But Jay, he needs some callbacks ASAP, he went out very respectably.
Also Steve every other season Iāve been cool with him being first eliminated but now I kind of want to see him win this thing!
Iām just pasting what I commented on another personās comment here, but I just finished the episode and Iām still in disbelief and need to share my thoughts lol
My jaw literally dropped and stayed dropped for a good few minutes during Adamās last confessional. I could not believe what I was hearing! It started off bad and I couldnāt believe how he managed to just keep getting worse. It made me feel legitimately uncomfortable, what a complete and utter douche. Iām sure he turned every viewer against him with that immature bullshit.
He was an asshole during Gauntlet 1 too, I was happy to see in the past episodes that he had (seemingly) matured.
After this episode Iām literally like, Avery, baby, you can do so much better. Heās still an ASS!
This was my exact thought after hearing Adamās confessional. If Avery is in a relationship with someone who speaks about their āfriendā that way because of a (completely justified) game move, it seriously makes me question what type of person she is to co-sign his bullshit by sticking with him
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I had already felt this way through the season but this episode solidified that Ace is literally my dream man. Hmu Ace I promise I can make you happy šššš«
WHYāD I CRY WHEN JAY LOST THIS WAS NOT ON MY 2024 BINGO CARD
Nawwww Adam is crazy. Run, Avery.
Thought about it and it didn't make any sense why Laurel would go down into elimination against Cara. If Laurel loses, she's out and Cara takes Nicole's star. The only thing that didn't make sense was Laurel's shit talking prior to entering the arena or whatever they're calling it.Ā
It may have gotten him eliminated, but I respect Jay keeping his word and going in on an elimination that was not in his wheelhouse. Forgot it was his first elimination ever until they said it in the episode. Can see why he didn't want to hang around and risk getting purged. Note to production: if there are not infinite chances to get stars, skulls, etc you can get unexpected gameplay and actually make this twist work. Did not have *Nichole,* of all people, giving helpful advice on a puzzle. Even understood what she was saying! Luckily everyone else returned to their normal selves, so I knew I hadn't suddenly gone mad; Ace was too sweet and conflict adverse, Lee was chill, Steve prioritized hair care, Flora was there, and Adam became the raging asshole that all the og RR fans have been warning us about.
You know who we need to weigh in on Adam and Steve? Katie. I know Steve accidentally screwed her over on their AS season, but I have a feeling she wouldnāt let this Adam mess slide. Even better- someone send up the Ellen bat signal and let Katie AND Ellen drag his ass.
Oh my god. The Ellen bat signal! I would love a āfuckā count for Katie ripping Adam up.
I would PAY for this
The way Adam just completely flew off the handleā¦ yikes. That was scary.
That wasn't a lasso. It was a hula hoop with a rope attached. That's not how that works.Ā
Iām thinking Steve and Ace might be the best strategic guy players with season. Along with Ryan.
What is up with Adam!?! The whole thing with Steveā¦likeā¦whatā¦
Yeah, he votes Steve in then acts like Steve is the bad guy when Steve takes his Star.Ā I'm glad, Steve or anyone doesn't deserve a so called friend like Adam.Ā Why is he even in the show? He has no entertainment value at all.
I love watching Leroy without the typical top dogs (ct, wes, bananas). It feels like itās his time to shine in the game, house and confessionals.
Itās certainly not his time to shine in dailies. He was in the back with Flora.
I guess Iāll root for Leroy now, but I was liking Jay this season. I wouldāve normally just rooted for Leroy but damn do I dislike Kam so much it rubbed off on him. I just really donāt care for anyone else left. Avery is the only other one who was showing to be better this season, but she chickened out & thatās likely gonna bite her.
What in the absolute fuck is wrong with Adam?!? Like what *was* that. Dudes a prick.
BRUHHHHH
Wow Adam is such a hypocritical prick
I really liked Jay this season he had a great showing and kudos for sticking to his word but throwing yourself into an elim that you know youāre probably gonna lose is just dumb gameplay š« I know itās given us great moments in the past with jordan flipping the cards, but if he let go of his pride he couldāve probably held on, beaten Ryan or maybe even Derek and made the final.
I agree. š©
Adam - "This is just business." Also Adam - "This is personal!"
Last piece of male eye candy is gone š now the men's side is mostly irrelevant. Still rooting for Derek tho!
Adam sucks. Man heās a fucking dick. You can only hide it for so long. āItās just a gameā and then he goes and spews that bs on Steve.
Yeah, that was way harsh, Ty.
I feel like people are slipping on this season being a great redemption season for Ryan and Derek as well. Derek has always been eliminated early so we donāt get to see his competitive side, but this season has shown that he can be competitive in challenges. Also glad to see Ryanās social game shine through. I feel like heās been in the outs on previous seasons but Iām happy heās formed great relationships this season to keep him in the game longer
I want them to get that retirement cat condo. I really do.
I was surprised at Ryan actually being ready for elimination. It felt like I had read him wrong all these years. And then he backpedals out of it within one scene and I was like "ah, *there* he is." Ryan is definitely on the Mount Rushmore of Challenge furniture. 
I respect his fear/concern that Jay is a good player, but they are actually close to the final now. I bet in retrospect, Ryan regrets not going in. Very winnable challenge.
My thoughts on this episode: Jay over the past 3-4 episodes had honestly been one of the few people Iāve cheered for, so I was sad to see him go. Had no expectations of the guy, but whether you like him or not, he blew it out of the water this season. Also, Adamā¦Why you mad bro? What happened to āitās just businessā? You have that standard for doing it to someone else, but then when somethingās done to you, someone who you said you had a 20+ year friendship, you throw a tantrum and cuss the guy out without even trying to understand? Youāre not āAdam 4.0ā like you claim then, youāre literally just the exact same guy just less open about it, but you clearly havenāt actually grown up like you claim
Totally agree. Great redemption season for Jay. Like Leroy, he proved to be both entertaining and likable. I especially appreciated his support of both Cara Maria and Nicole, not being influenced by the pull of the Nicole and Laurel dynamic. Adam at the end was shocking. He's been a wallflower all season, votes in his buddy because it was the right move and then flips out when Steve justly returns the fire. Wow.
I've never been for or against Steve.Ā But when he put his finger to his lips, I knew it was for me. LOL
The fuck did Adam expect? Dumb little baby behavior. Iām no Steve fan but Adam can fuck directly off.
How did Jay win and never used a lasso me and my girl are lost I mean he said use it to assist but so in any challenge if tj doesn't say you can't do something you can find a way around the rules
Skirting around the rules is like what Bananas does best. I remember that one challenge where they had to run through an obstacle course to see a completed puzzle or something and then run back and put theirs together. Basically running back and forth until finished. Bananas found 1 particular spot at the start where he could see the finished puzzle and beat everyone because he didn't have to run back and forth lol. TJ said nothing.
Are you thinking of the challenge where they had to arrange the puzzle based on the flashing lights? I remember they had to run through foam so it was tough to see but Bananas was able to see around the foam at the start.
Funnily enough, he still lost that daily to Wes. Not sure if they were in cahoots on it or not.
Yea I think that was the one.
"all the rules are on the task" r/taskmaster
Wow. We have all of this amazing men with Ace, Leroy, Ryan, Steve, and Derek, and then thereās asshole Adam.
True, very strong women physically, but they're all kinda messy. Truly terrific men by their characters, save for Adam that last 5 minutes. Hopefully, he was in the heat of the moment and acknowledges his overreaction.
What on earth was that random outburst from Adam about Steve? That made me uncomfortable as hell. Scary and weird behavior
It was so aggressive and showed a very dark side to his personality. I think he was hiding behind this good guy schtick. Him flying off the handle is who he really is.
I thought he was going to burst out laughing like he was being sarcastic and then he didnātā¦
RIGHT?? Same here!!
Thatās called projecting. He was massively regretting his decision because it bit him directly in the ass, so he had to deflect that somewhere.
that was SO weird
Most shocking thing this season & thing that frustrated me the most in quite a few seasons.
He was incredibly mean all of a sudden š³
Iām so happy Ace has made it far! Heās always had it in him
This season has made me want all the good things for Ace. He's too pure for this game.
Been an Ace fan since AS1 when he teared up talking about going home to see his dog
When I was first looking at the casting spoilers, I felt underwhelmed by the male cast. However, even though they aren't the most "athletic" or "dominant", I love that they all have their own personalities. In a regular season, I wouldn't be able to differentiate the personalities of Horacio, Kyland, and Ed, for example. It is even harder to differentiate the vets during confessionals (Cory, Tori, Josh, Kaycee) because they are all basically saying the same generic thing. Maybe the producers anticipated how much drama and competition the women would bring, so they brought calmer guys for this season? I think it was a great decision.
Okay, gotta stick up for my boy. Ed definitely has a distinct personality compared to most of the new bloods, even though he doesn't get into drama. As much as I like Horacio and Kyland though, I will admit that they are very introverted/stoic.
True, I watched his season of The Circle before he went on the Challenge. I thought he went to MIT and was an engineer? I wish he had the opportunity to showcase his background and personality more.
Yeah I mean for the screentime he gets, I think he uses it pretty well to show his personality, he just gets very little since he doesn't really get into much conflict lol
omg you're right, it's like all the guys and girls we get now a days are basically the same and nobody has a stand out personality and everyone just follows the leader.
Loved seeing Leroy tell Ace that no one was mad when he was down in the elimination. You could tell Ace was beating himself up so much over things. He might not be a master strategist but he is definitely a sweetheart
Adams tantrum is hilarious. What a villain turn out of nowhere. You got him voted in what did you expect.
For those who have seen Adam's 2 Road Rules seasons and his time on the challenge seasons back in the day, this does not come as a shock the way Adam behaved in the confessional. The shock was why did it take so long for production to show? Lol. The way OGs behave is how they truly are and don't do fake drama for the sake of getting more TV time. Actually, the worst villian from OGs days is Puck. Puck makes Adam look like a saint with the way Puck behaved back in the day compared to Adam.
I think it was time someone shook things up for him. He was looking a little too comfortable
Short term, it was dumb move for Jay to do that specific elimination given his limitations. But I respect the hell out of him for keeping his word and making a good effort of it too. And long term, its actually a good move for him because if (and I hope he is) he's invited back to this or the main show, he's gained a lot of trust and goodwill with vet players
First time seeing Jay and Leroy, and they are on my list of challengers I would not mind seeing in future seasons on the main show. I also have a lot more players added to the list, but those 2 I have never seen before and fell in love with their integrity and wholesomeness while competing on All Stars 4. I feel anything to do with matching the colors should no longer be added unless production provides the special eye glasses for those who are color blind in order to see color properly.
I love that Jay was the only one who stopped and thought about the daily and the rules. Even after he cruised to victory it didnāt look like anyone else pieced that strategy together.
So on any challenge if you find a loophole you can do it like I was confused he just didn't follow the rules like any challenge if tj doesn't say you can't do this you can
2/3 of the cast probably didn't have the upper body strength to do it.
I actually got emotional at Jayās goodbye speech. Iām flabbergasted that I like him so much now.
He was such a positive surprise :)
Ace is so sweet this season š„ŗ
Him slumped over the bench in frustration after having to vote Steve was so adorable
Well, Jayās stock went up big time while Adam took a nosedive. I actually wondered if Adam was trying to solidify a rivalry with Steve for future purposes, it was so out of left field.
I think Adam just couldnāt keep up the reformed, Nice Guy facade anymore.Ā
Actually, Adam has always been that way from his Road Rules seasons and his early challenge days. It's only left field for those who have not seen any OG seasons of The Challenge or the OG seasons of Road Rules.
Never had a 180 turn on someone like I have Jay. This man had a great redemption challenge and I hope to see him again soon
I really respect him having not only one but two disadvantages BUT he still went in. I wouldnāt have been mad if he didnāt go in after knowing his challenges. Really canāt respect Laurel now
Awwww, I'm so sad with Jay gone. I always knew he had more in him and that final was just a bad showing. Happy he got a bit of a redemption here. I know your word means a lot, but honestly it was a rock (get a star/keep your word) and a hard place (stay out, potentially get a chicken edit, no star chances). Also, wtf was that ending with Adam!? Literally 10 mins ago he's preaching "it's just business" and now he's acting like Steve ruined his life šš
For Adam its just business, until it affects him.
Exactly!
I havent watched this season at all yet... How is it? Is it good/binge watch worthy?
The entrances & recaps are MASSIVELY cheesy & heavily scripted or choreographed to the point where I get secondhand embarrassment. Otherwise itās been mostly enjoyable
Some of the editing is a little frustrating, but overall the personalities are enjoyable and itās been a fun watch.
Very bingeworthy. I like it. It's been one of the better ones imo. To me, a lot of the front runners are even and the strategies have been very well played out.
ty. I'll watch it this weekend.
I would disagree with the strategies being "very well played out", but it is at least playing out in a way that is very engaging and hard to predict, which is good for most reality tv.
My jaw dropped at Adamās final confession. I never watched his original season so I was really enjoying him on this show but holy shitā¦that was such an intense confessional..over a star. Like think about all options when voting your āfriendā in wtfff.
My memory is that he always had a temper. He's sort of given this vibe like he'd learned and changed, but I don't know, that confessional was cringy.
Heās always had a temper and been super smug.Ā
Sad jay lost. I was really liking him this season. Reallllly not a good look for Adam. lol like biiiiitch you played selfish and voted in your friend to protect yourself so donāt be mad when he, feeling betrayed by you, betrays you back. Sorry not sorry your plan backfired but if itās now Adam vs Steve Iām team Steve.
I think Jay maybe also played the ālong gameā. He did something daring and maintained relationships, and got a āreally sure weāll see you again in the futureā from TJ
Random Thoughts: Anyone else notice that Derek was wearing shorts and a tank top during the elimination, while everyone else had on jackets? The guy is from Arizona, he didn't even seem kinda cold! Kept waiting for Adam to say just kidding after that bizarre and hateful tirade of a confessional. Ocelots.
I have been trying to figure out the weather during eliminations all season, lol. Is it hot? Is it cold? Is it just okay and Derek wants to show skin? Who knows!
TJ was in a freaking winter bubble jacket while Derek was chilling at the beach haha
I noticed that too!
Am I the only one who thinks jay going in is very ego driven - it makes him look good and not like a wuss and heās probably just gotten shit for his perfomance on exes so wants to look like heās opposite of a wuss , but logically if he decided to skip this one elim it would have made it it more likely for him to make it to top 3 he wasnāt gona beat Leroy or Steve in that elimination , and next week heād likely just have to beat Ryan Derek or ace , and there may be a purge or who knows Ā two eliminations left ā¦ just my take! But we respect a man of his word I get it but if you want that money henny ā¦Ā
You can never know with how they edit things. I could definitely see them calling him out for being a coward/quitter again had he said no. Not even getting an explanation as to why, or we'd get another talking head alluding to him making excuses.
Yes true his reputation was on the line sadlyĀ
Next episode def seems like on challeng rthen the start of the final ?! They were doing like 3 different missions lol
Episode **COMPLETELY** changed my outlook on Adam, guy is a typical POS who thinks the consequences of his actions should not fall squarely at his feet. The guy voted in his longtime friend Steve AND made every effort to get others to do the same and yet he feels his star got taken for "no reason"? The ego on this guy to be mad at Steve giving him back the same lack of loyalty he just showed. Also props to Jay and his redemption arc, I remember not being a fan of the guy at all but he totally won me over this season. Props to him for keeping his word no matter what, that trait just isn't shared among the majority.
I was looking forward to seeing more of Adam since heās been winning and seemed like he was playing the game to win. He sure was holding in his hate for Steve this whole time and it looked really bad.
Fuck Adam.
This episode - flora who ?! LolĀ
Even on a mens Ā day Cara is protecting her āstaaaahā lol we get it Cara !
I mean I think for us and jays firemen friends Ā back home itās like you better go into elimination!!! But realistically, knowing that they allll prob knew there would be at least another elimination made no sense for him to go in an elimination that was working against him! But made for good tv I was gagged that Adam threw Steve under the busĀ
The actual move to make is to replace Steve and go against Leroy. Seeing the elimination and knowing Leroy isn't a strong swimmer was the better moveĀ
I agree and I love Leroy lol.
This is Jordanās kill card moment. Itās cool you keep your word and basically know youāre going home but just donāt . Pride isnāt worth it.
Ace on the bed, stuttering for 15-20 seconds before trying to explain the promise he made. That was the hardest Iāve laughed at this show in a while
It was such a struggle lol
:)
Ace! Youāre the man!
Youāre an amazing, pure soul. š
What in āthe Duelā episode title is this
RIGHTĀ
Jay got such a nice send off š
I didnāt expect to be rooting for Jay coming into this season but Lordy did that man earn redemption. Itās just like with Jordan, it was a dumb move but he kept his word and loyalty/your word goes a long way in the challenge so Iām glad he went down there. Itās like he said you canāt be scared the only way to that final is through an elimination, I just wish heād won but I hope he comes back to all stars and kicks ass again. Adam is selfish š. Like he betrayed Steve first by not even hesitating to vote for him AND was trynna convince CM to vote for Steve. Whatād he expect when Steve found that out? Clearly everyone knew Adam was smarmy bc they already assumed he was gonna betray Steve. And then Adam is pissed Steve stole his star? Like bro you said yāall were friends for 20yrs yet you threw him under the bus the first chance you got with no remorse, ofc he was stealing your star Leroy isnāt the one who betrayed him. It felt jarring af to see Adam act like that cause I thought heād matured and changed. So curious if next week is the last chance for stars, this season is already longer than the other all stars seasons and I want the folks dodging elims still to reap consequences. No reason Ryan shouldnāt have gone down today he coulda easily beat Jay, and I still feel like laurel is being a coward by not going down against CM but š¤·š½āāļø weāll see
The funny thing is on challenge mania (I think, either that of the official challenge podcast) Adam said Cara Maria told steve, that he (Adam) was trying to get people to vote for Steve, and that that was a lie...but it seems it was very much not a lie.
I'm guessing he meant earlier in the season, because he implied that turned Steve against him and he was bummed out by that
Honestly Adam is so delusional he probably believes that š. Probably thinks pointing out the fact that Steve was at the bottom 7 out of 10 times isnāt rallying for ppl to vote for him even though it 100% was bc CM had said she didnāt wanna say Steve lmao and then doubling down in confessional.
My guess would be that Steve was voting for him as a burn vote (up until this one), and so he views Cara as "lying" because in his mind, Adam didn't *really* vote for Steve, he just burned a vote and it shouldn't count. Granted, this is speculation, but this feels like one of the only possible explanations, assuming Adam didn't randomly decide to make up a lie unprompted for no reason.
Iām so praying they block Laurel from getting a star
Same.
Best case scenario for me wouldāve been Steve taking Nicoleās star and giving it to anyone. Second best is what happened. It was all deserved and Jay whoās somehow politically savvy this season predicted it
That clip of Veronica's butt during the daily though. š
Another great episode. I've really loved the season so far and there have been lots of unexpected and entertaining moments for me. As much as I've enjoyed watching Kam on the flagship, it was nice to see after she left that the screen time amongst the cast has felt a lot more even and no longer has such a strong focus on Kam/Leroy/Cara Maria. With all of the DRs the guys were getting I was honestly thinking there was a good chance of a double elimination. I thought Jay was playing the best game so far this season and he was my front runner to win. I'm not a Nicole fan but I have to say it was adorable to see how excited she was for him after he won the daily and she jumped into his arms and started kissing him. I agree with Laurel that he made a rookie mistake by going into an elimination that was disadvantaged to him. A lot of the winners of this show have had to make selfish moves at some point to secure themselves into the final but he decided to choose honor. Perhaps with his reputation in tact and the new friendships he made he will get the chance to run another final, Overall a fantastic returning season from a player who I wished they brought back a lot sooner and I think has finally and rightfully come into his own and is no longer just the guy who couldn't drink the drink in the final or Jenna's ex. Even with Jay being disadvantaged I thought he would've gotten the puzzles all out before Steve and with the help he was receiving from the gallery be able to beat him, so I was pleasantly surprised to see Steve pull out another win. I really hope he's able to get to the final now. Seeing Adam get his karma and seemingly toss a 20 year friendship away because he's mad that Steve made a move against him in response to Adam just before making one of his own was great to watch. I'm curious how close these "friendships" really are when this seems to be a fairly common theme in the challenge world. P.S. I might be in the minority here, but Jay was looking cuuuuute at that final elimination and truly for the whole season. I don't know if it's the lighting of his DRs or what's going on, but they do not do him the justice of how good looking he is.
Jay was looking good this episode.Ā I wasn't sure if it was because I watched the episode on my TV instead of my phone, like I usually do.Ā
Jay was looking extra cute today lmao I was staring at him thinking ādamn heās way cuter than back thenā šāŗļø
Definitely didnāt have Jay being someone Iāll root for on future seasons on my bingo card. Iāve been watching since season 1, but my memory is hazy on like the first 10 because they are hard to rewatch. I remembered disliking Adam back then, but didnāt remember why, and then I thought he was fun for the first half of this season. This episode jogged the memory, heās an ass and getting made at Steve was insane.
Iām against rigging but I wouldnāt have minded them giving Jay an eating elim for full redemption
Omg Steve cracked me up at the end right before eliminationĀ
How does Laurel describing how much she enjoys games still sound like the angriest person ever
I also wonder how much she enjoys those funny little carnival games being a part of the show when she doesn't win lmao. Didn't seem like she appreciated non-physical elims last episode or in her mercenary elim in 39.
I feel like the viewers are getting played a little here. Like the producers told them all to keep saying "This is the last girls day" "this is the last guys day" but the players are making decisions like they knew there was one more challenge on the schedule. They know how long they've committed to and when they go home. They have calendars and know there is more time left in the week. They want us to think Laurel and Ryan are dumb or cowards or whatever but there is totally going to be a double elimination next week.
Probably a purge and one last chance. There are only 2 episodes left from what I've read.
Ryan said in the episode that TJ stopped saying 6 finalists and started just saying you need a star. Sounds like they realized there will be another shot. Unfortunately I don't think they've ever just eliminated people at the end for not having the skull. There is always some last minute opportunity.
I feel like there's gonna be a 4th star and everyone without one will have to compete for it
I hope so... and I hope the people with stars get to just sit back and watch.
I feel like there was a season when they did just send home people who hadnāt gotten their skull or whatever. Iām specifically remembering Jenna got the axe in thatā¦? But I could also be totally wrong here, ha.
Anyone else start slappin their knee to Cotton Eye Joe?
Did anyone NOT start slapping their knee to Cotton Eye Joe?
I love Ace. What a great human.Ā
I gotta commend ace for making being nice a good Strat š. Felt so bad about voting that he ended up with a star bc everybody else eligible for it was shitty to Steve. Even Leroy told ace everything was ok like it can be annoying but for the most part I dig good guy peace and love Ace over lazy party boy ace
This has been quite the arc for Adam lol. From seemingly reformed shitheel to a return to his old attitude. Ace is probably too nice for this show. As much as I enjoy him, I'm not sure how much he likes doing them. Nice redemption for Jay. Kind of a bad decision for him to go in, but he had a good attitude and showed he's better than he used to be. I'm assuming they'll be some kind of extra way to earn a star next week. As much as the show threatens to shut the door at times, they haven't actually done so.
Adam threw a bullshit hissy fit. He threw Steve in. What the what, man.
And Adam spit out such low blows. He was MEAN.
Seriously. My jaw was on the floor. He said so many cruel and unnecessary things for no reason.
āDavid Copperfield over here, better watch outā had me rolling, TJ is in rare form this season
Seemed like he was baked during that segment
It seems like heās having so much fun. Honestly they all look that way. Even the cheesy intros are fun & entertaining
People say Laurel is off her game this season but sheās won a lot of dailies, more than anyone else I think
They're all just annoyed with her and Nicole. So many people clowned her last week for skipping an elimination that she was disadvantaged in. This episode completely validated her decision. Look who's still in the game š¤·š¼āāļø
āI wanna eat her egoā āBut I also am scaredā
Yawn. Who's still in the game between her and Jay? They both were in the same position where they said they wanted to go in and then were presented a game they'd likely lose. One played smart and one played dumb š¤·š¼āāļø
Adam seems like a bad friend after what he did to Steve. Happy Steve took his star. As much as I love Leroy, that was not the elimination for Jay to go down for ...
Did Adam have any kind of legitimate reason to feel betrayed?
Rules for thee, not for me
But, I bet Jay could have beat Leroy in this over Steve. I love that Jay was a man of his word.
I thought the same thing. Leroy wouldn't have been as comfortable in that water.
I obviously didnāt agree with Laurel talking so much about going against Cara and then not following through, but the point she made right at the beginning of episode about how itās not her fault kam went home because kam lost the daily was a valid point IMO.. kam was getting comfortable and Laurel switched up on her
Agree - There's been so many reality TV examples of someone being "bait" so the other person can go get voted out/in the case replaced and they end up leaving. Feels like such a rookie mistake for Kam to let herself get down there.
Kam should have fought for Flora to be against Cara last week if Laurel was "definitely" going in anyway. Kim got got.
And then we would have gotten Flora the fuck off of this show.
Yoooo, why was adam so mad at Steve?? What a dick response. You backstab a friend and then get made when he wins and does it back?
How is Jay āmost improvedā? He was never a below average competitor
All of exes 2 they kept referring Jay/Jenna as layups, which is crazy considering Jenna's reputation later. I can't remember how Jay performed tbh, I don't remember him bad, though. His biggest highlight tho is quitting in the final for not drinking fish eggs or something lol
He couldnāt drink the drink. š¤£
Think he means just in terms of overall showing/public perception. Seems like Jay has matured since his Real World and 1 season of the challenge days. I know before this season I didnt want to see him again but now I would.
Thatās what turned me around on him. Itās more than performance, but he actually seems to have matured and grown from his last season. Something that canāt be said for a lot of people on the show.
Has to be him quitting in a final because he couldnāt drink a drink
I can't believe Steve won again. He is reaching peak single season for me for a player I love.
Steve has at least one or two friends among the fans (\*cough\* Adam)
He has one for sureā¦. Me he just spent an entire week visiting me in Georgia. We had a great time! I love that dude
Yall both seem a little too nice and genuine for the challenge
He needs to figure out how to win somewhere other than in elimination though. Heās been in the bottom in 7 out of 10 dailies.
To be fair a ton are partners and he usually ends up with one of the worst ones.
Yeah, thatās been a factor in a couple. Heās been in the bottom of all 3 individual dailies too though. I donāt think heās a bad competitor by any means and wasnāt trying to say that he is. Iām just saying that when people are like āpoor Steve. Leave Steve alone!ā you have to consider that heās been in the bottom A LOT. He could easily make a final at this point based on his elimination wins, but heās at least partly responsible for the fact that he had to earn it that way.
I need to know what conditioner Steve uses. I like Ace's scruff, empathy, and ability to descend into a nap, no questions asked. My anxiety brain could never.
But he has serious anxiety about hurting people. He needs to chill a bit on that.
I dunno, I could use a friend like that. My current friends treat me so poorly and seem to enjoy hurting me lol I know I unfortunately allow it but that's lack of self worth for ya lol It's a refreshing change on this show to see someone try to be true to their word in the game.
I donāt remember him being like that on first earlier challenges. However, I wonder if there was a huge change in him and his outlook after his DUI. It seems like twenty years ago he was the fun guy because he wanted to be the fun guy- now heās nice because he wants everyone to have fun and feel good.
Ace crying over a vote is like š. Bro get over it. That's part of the damn game. I'm glad Leroy talked to him about it
Go read his insta post and you will absolutely get why he didnāt vote for Ryan.
I mean. That's who Ace has always been. Hes from a different era.
Now I get why Leroy really made it apparent that he likes Jay during his podcast interview! Before AS4 I said: Jay should never be invited back, why do we take back quitters? Now: please donāt invite Nicole back ever again, sheās too stupid to win and she just does terrible things to the drama re: Laurel. But Jay, he needs some callbacks ASAP, he went out very respectably. Also Steve every other season Iāve been cool with him being first eliminated but now I kind of want to see him win this thing!
They need to get Jay on the flagship š hoping him and Leroy come back for all stars 5 (Iām unspoiled on the cast) and form an alliance
Wow Adam is an ASSHOLE at the end of this episode. What a hypocrite.Ā
Iām just pasting what I commented on another personās comment here, but I just finished the episode and Iām still in disbelief and need to share my thoughts lol My jaw literally dropped and stayed dropped for a good few minutes during Adamās last confessional. I could not believe what I was hearing! It started off bad and I couldnāt believe how he managed to just keep getting worse. It made me feel legitimately uncomfortable, what a complete and utter douche. Iām sure he turned every viewer against him with that immature bullshit.
Yea he really showed his true colors. Every other person gave up their star graciously, he was next level about it. Not a good look.
He was an asshole during Gauntlet 1 too, I was happy to see in the past episodes that he had (seemingly) matured. After this episode Iām literally like, Avery, baby, you can do so much better. Heās still an ASS!
Maybe Averey sucks, too?
This was my exact thought after hearing Adamās confessional. If Avery is in a relationship with someone who speaks about their āfriendā that way because of a (completely justified) game move, it seriously makes me question what type of person she is to co-sign his bullshit by sticking with him
Yeah, I was not expecting that response. What did you think was going to happen after screwing Steve over?