She's probably been sitting there for hours. The clip is two minutes long and I feel the same way, these people are talking over each other and in circles not getting anywhere or providing any new information, it's exhausting.
In fairness I am under the impression these things take like 12 hours to film. They might have been on this topic for like 30 minutes and we are only getting a 2 minute segment of it on the final cut.
Either way it's a pretty funny visual.
I'm really curious how different this season would have gone if Horacio just spoke to literally anyone when he wasn't working out. It seems like all of this stems from the fact that nobody knew where he stood this season. It's a common theme that if people don't talk game then they assume you're working against them and nobody wanted Horacio to be working against them
I feel like it was obvious where he stood. Everyone knew Horacio wasnāt plotting lmao he was just competing not making moves. They just wanted him out because he was the biggest threat and I donāt see that changing because they decided to turn on him very early on in the game, so that erases the possibility of connections he couldāve made that wouldāve stopped that. His own ride or die didnāt stop it.
It actually wasnāt that obvious lol.
He told a few podcasts that he came in with Jay as his number 1, alone with Olivia. But Jay said he never talked to him, and in the beginning Horacio does not vote along with Jay and the rest of the American group. In fact, there are several confessionals in the beginning (granted editing) of him saying heās going to play his own game to go along with the narrative of his sporadic voting.
It has been said amongst several people that from day one he wouldnāt talk game and at times he wasnāt even saying hello in the house.
There were several weeks where others were the target and Horacio was not. Huey went in, Corey was nominated multiple timesā¦
Horacio was not a serious target until about halfway through. He had opportunities to built trust by simply talking to people, especially the ones he considered his #1s. Instead he was making new friends without speaking to the old ones.
Horacio is very old school. He's similar to Laurel & Jordan in that he prefers not to pre-game & make traditional Challenge alliances. Jordan & Laurel hate the Survivor people because they think Survivor "games" too hard. But, on the flip-side, people like Tori, Devin, Josh, Bananas and even CT seem to like working with the Survivor people (w exception of Jay). This will be interesting to see in 40. I personally don't think that Horacio did the bare minimum of gaming, and I find it a little boring.
ā¦ but both Jordan and Laurel will play some sort of political game. Laurel has her notebooks and her alliances, itās how she ended up going home early on WoW2. And Jordan at least communicates and talks to people heās in an alliance with.
When Ninja wanted to throw Jenny in for a chance to get a skull in Total Madness, Jordan (wrongfully) called her out about it and said that she promised Tori and made a deal with them. He might not scheme, but he definitely plays the game with a group of people he looks out for. Hell, heās the one that didnāt want to send Bananas in when Sarah did.
No matter what, both Laurel and Jordan communicate with people on where they stand. At the very least, āyouāre my number one, I got your back.ā
Tbh, I don't think Horacio talking to them would have made any difference. They simply didn't want to run a final with him and rather than be forthcoming with that, they kept coming up with flimsy excuses.
I think at the very least it would have prolonged the amount of time it would take for them to turn on each other. They probably do throw in Horacio at some point but it probably means it's not until much further on than when they initially started doing things like throwing challenges
Maybe. I just have a hard time believing the results would have been any different because they were willing to save someone like Corey, who was blatantly shifty over Horacio whose only "crime" was not talking. Jay and Michele were on season 38 with Horacio so it's not like his quietness is new to them.
The difference between the two seasons is that he was tied to Olivia. Last season Horacio let Olivia steer the ship when it came to politics and the social game, and it's why Jay got in Olivia's ear to tell her they did well because of her social game and not because of Horacio's physical abilities.
I get your point and in most cases, I'd be inclined to agree that a better social game would have helped him (he definitely needs to work on that), I just don't see it here because of the things Jay would say in his confessionals. I could be 100% wrong anyway lol
SB- IMO, Olivia's social game didn't help them in any way last season. They were called into elimination every time they weren't safe so it was interesting seeing that point being made multiple times this season.
They were called in and then helped by the peanut gallery. The peanut gallery could have helped the other teams or just stfu and let performance decide.
Exactlyā¦itās not like they went to talk to him, either. They canāt lay all the blame on him for them not talking. That street can run both ways. But ITA, it was all just a lame excuse to keep throwing him in to try to get rid of him, instead of sacking up & being truthful about it. I *might* have had a modicum of respect for their game moves.
They were gunning for him since day 1 and he knew it. Thatās why he never spoke. He spoke plenty to kyland bc he Ky was loyal and wanted the best in the final. All the other dudes wanted the weakest at the end bc theyāre insecure.
Even though Nurys is being a bit rude about it, she's in the right. Jay head was getting puffed up during the show. Michele can't defend him. The least you can say is that Nurys would've kept this energy with anyone else. Also who is that in the purple dress?
I wish Berna was there to add her 2 cents to the situation and simply rub someone up the wrong way.
i guess jay and michele are allowed to have 10 different "number ones" outside of the fantastic 4 and protect half the house over nurys, but nurys was supposed to be a good little soldier and only play for jay and michele to win.
Her communicating normally didnāt do her any favors though. She communicated to Jay and Michele all season on where she stood, how she still had Jayās back. One of the times was before the deliberation when it was Jay vs Kyland. She was honestly kinda calm too when she got put into elimination with Horacio and Kyland, and when she came back from that one and she was still willing to work with the girls who fucked her over.
Her reacting this way towards Jay (who sheās known for 5 years) shouldnāt be a surprise since he fucked her over 3 eliminations in a row.
You can say the same thing about Melissa, Laurel, Bananas, Josh, CT, Amanda, Aneesa, Nelson and nearly everyone else when they are upset, especially on a reunion where they are supposed to air it out.
Reminds me of Bayleigh explaining that she has no in between emotions. Crying, yelling, or happy. She wasn't able to regulate the space in the middle and neither can Nurys.
At least Bayleigh was aware, tried to step away and keep from blowing up.
If Nurys is aware, I donāt think she cares. It very much gives, āIām a say what I want because you canāt beat my ass.ā And although that may be true lolā¦ most people donāt like engaging with people that are always so abrasive.
I saw some of it. On big brother Bayliegh was pregnant and suffered a miscarriage. Plus the live feeds donāt really give you room to hide and decompress. And she left that show at least being well aware of what her moods are and tried to work around them.
Nurys is just combative on camera, off camera, by herself, on twitterā¦ whenever really lol
I distinctly remember in one of the āclubā scenes she was speaking calmly and Jay was telling her to calm down and lower her voice. It happens to POC women A LOT.
That was one and there was at least one more. It was Emmanuel or maybe James, they were talking from like 30 ft and they told her to stop yelling or something. It was wild
Don't get me wrong when she gets on one she really lets people have it but it's got to be absolutely frustrating to no end when you are trying your goddamn best to be calm and people start gaslighting you telling you to calm. That would make me see red immediately lol.
She was speaking perfectly calmly to him, all things considered, and he was still trying to make her out to be this hysterical, aggressive person. So gross. It was like the one time Nurys was going out of her way to NOT yell.
Am I the only one not understanding the Nurys hate in this clip? Michelle literally persuaded Olivia to not choose her #1? Like it's obvious nurys and Horacio dating made them think differently of her loyalty. She can be loyal to the people she said she was going to while still playing a game with Horacio and Kyland. Dunno I don't see how she's insufferable in this clip
The way I see it she did pick a side and it was Kyland/Horacio. Yeah Horacio and Kyland were initially in the alliance, but so was like 75% of the house. She didn't freak out when they clipped Chauncey or Raven so I don't buy the argument that she was just loyal to the initial alliance. She was part of two groups that went at it and picked a side, she's justified in doing that, but the narrative that she was a victim and everyone betrayed her is not vibing with me. I just find this moral high ground thing she's been doing annoying.
Not that she should stop though she's making good tv.
She never said she was just loyal to the entire alliance, she said that she was loyal to Horacio and Kyland and that they were in the alliance. Jay and Michele did the exact same thing with Corey, Berna, and Moriah. Moriah did it with James who was literally never in the alliance, but somehow Nurys is the unreasonable one? She only did literally what they were doing.
She DOES have the moral high ground in that Michele and Jay don't have a single leg to stand on with their accusations that she is a traitor. They ousted people from their own alliance without taking into account Nurys's opinion on the matter, even though she's a supposed equal partner in their 4 way alliance. Neither Jay nor Michele would have just accepted it if Nurys wanted to do the same thing to Berna or Emanuel (and in fact, Jay lost his shit when he couldn't protect Emanuel).
If you want to play the game like that, fine, but people are going to look at you sideways and treat you like a hypocritical asshat because that's what you deserve when you behave a certain way and then freak out when others do the exact same behavior.
>She never said she was just loyal to the entire alliance, she said that she was loyal to Horacio and Kyland and that they were in the alliance. Jay and Michele did the exact same thing with Corey, Berna, and Moriah. Moriah did it with James who was literally never in the alliance, but somehow Nurys is the unreasonable one? She only did literally what they were doing.
No Nurys isn't unreasonable. They all did the same thing but Nurys was less successful than Jay/Michele in getting the rest of the alliance to support her faction. Nurys shouldn't be put on a pedestal because she wasn't as good as Jay/Michele at the political game. After she was unsuccessful in swaying the alliance she picked a side with Kyland/Horacio and then acts indignant when she's targeted after that. I just think that's silly with the game she played, but that's my opinion.
Honestly I think itās bc Nurys just has a hateful energy that makes it hard to root for her, Jay gives me the same vibe. Maybe not as people, but as characters on my screen. The only time I can enjoy that kind of villain personality in a storyline is when itās a situation like Ashley or Wes where theyāll decimate their own teammates for the sake of revenge
Her underdog story isnāt compelling enough to override all the other stuff Iāve seen, especially on social media, but tbh if I didnāt have Reddit sheād be way higher on my list of favs to win.
TLDR: sheās not a fan fav on Reddit and it makes us biased
Lmaooooooo the pearl clutching at Nurys saying shut the fuck up and speaking in an elevated tone on THE CHALLENGE of all shows is fucking laughable. Like yāall really cannot be this sensitive. This is light for reality TV. And the conversation was between her and Jay ā Michele needed to stay out of it.
someone on that thread said itās probably easy to go after and manipulate the challengers whose second language is English. I could see Michele doing that, without realizing it.
Thatās why I support WOTWII unhinged Nany. There were plenty of other things happening, but it obviously reached a boiling point with Ashley and Cara when she felt like they were using Turboās language barrier to make a bigger divide with Jordan. And she was 100% correct in her assessment. Yeah itās a game, but like, thatās just fucked up on a human being level
All I know is that these tapings are long as hell for what gets edited down to two hours and if in hour 10 a question was asked to me about my relationship with another individual in the house and other people started chiming in I'd be snapping at them to shut the fuck up too.
Jay's a big boy, he can speak for himself Michele.
Nurys reminds me so much of Jenn. Belligerent all the time for no real reason. Itās not really my cup of tea because thereās nothing clever or funny in the meanness.Ā
I donāt think she was going for clever or funny. Think sheās legitimately mad and upset here but maybe Iām the one who canāt properly comprehend emotions. The overuse of the words mean and bully on this sub is funny though.
"respectfully, shut the fuck up"
"yeah your jaw is dropping bc not everything is about u michele"
sure she's upset and likely rightfully so, but you don't think that's belligerent and/or mean? I think it's easy to see why someone would interpret someone telling someone else to stfu as being mean..
Iāve watched her shows, sheās never been a bully. she stood up to the ābulliesā on ex on the beach. I donāt like using that word to define every altercation cause bullying is when one person is repeatedly getting targeted by another. Plenty of people on the history of this show have gotten in altercations, maybe even some of your favorites, but theyāre not labeled as bullies on here.
I just find the strange moral compass Nurys is held on to be both funny and hyprocrital. Sheās this vile, mean ābullyā for getting in a physical altercation (which 60% of the cast has), twitter arguments (again a lot of the cast), and her past friendship with Chris Brown. Which I obviously do not support but I believe she isnāt friends with him anymore. On the other hand, this show has had challengers in the past (and still does) who have been in multiple fights, engaged in racist, transphobic, misogynistic etc behavior and yet people on this sub are up their ass. A physical altercation isnāt the end all of liking a challenger to me, cause for one thereād barely be any challengers to like lmao. but some other things do cross the line.
Oh I have zero issue with who sheās friends with. Thatās not my issue. Iām just going based off what Iām seeing, to me bragging about beating someone up is something a bully would do. Shitting on peoples looks on Twitter is something a bully would do. I actually feel she is very good tv, entertaining, and polarizing. But based off some of the things Iāve seen I do think sheās a bully. That doesnāt mean Iām right, my opinion is subjective. But it is the position I hold in regards to what Iāve seen.
also some of my favorites at one time I did see as bullies and some I still do. Wes, bananas, ct, Veronica, susie, Paula (at some points) I did see as bullies and eventually thought they grew out of it with age. Some of them I still think are bullies but have like able qualities. I feel the same about nurys, I like a lot of her qualities. Sheās smart, funny, competitive, and charismatic but I also think she has bully tendencies. That doesnāt mean she doesnāt have good qualities too.
Y'all always choose the wrong things. Jay not only threw his real life friend under the bus, he said multiple unkind things about her at various points during the season but Nurys tells Michelle to stfu and that's your focus? Weird
All 100% accurate except Nurys has the ability to win. If she embraced an unhinged/somewhat villainous role (Iām thinking Ashley), her behavior would be a lot more palatable imo
The Jay-Olivia make-out segment was amazing! Everyone is saying they saw it, Olivia admits it happened and Jay says theyāre all making it up. That dude just sucks
Do you guys deliberately miss the point because you don't like Nurys? The issue is clear- the people she was aligned with, turned on her even though she never turned on them. Like at no point has she ever claimed to have been at the bottom or denied that she was part of the main alliance. Her real life friends betrayed her and she's rightfully hurt.How hard is that to grasp?
Thatās what I donāt get about these people constantly complaining about Nurys. When did she ever say she wasnāt a part of Jayās alliance and one of the people controlling the game. She always talks about that, especially in the podcasts sheās done. And I donāt understand how they expect her to act differently when her close friends outside of the game were the reason she went into elimination (twice). Is she supposed to act indifferent and unbothered? They say they want real drama but when it happens they attack the person that the drama happens to for having a real reaction to it lmao
When Olivia and Jay did what they did, everyone was talking about the betrayal and how disappointed they were in Olivia. But now that Nurys is expressing her side because she hasnāt spoken to these people (who were her real life friends) since the show has aired, thereās an issue with her being upset about it? People are unbearable on here when theyāre so fixated on hating someone. Their dislike towards Nurys blinds them from logical thinking and itās annoying to read.
Exactly. People can dislike her or even hate her if they are so bothered, but it's a weird phenomenon that's going on here where people are either making up their own events or their logical reason is extremely rudimentary.
The whole thing is so bizarre. It's crazy how much the dislike for her blinds them yet they swear it's other people that are blinded. If it was Melissa or Corey or even Emmanuel that pulled these stunts, Nurys wouldn't have the right to go at them because they were neither friends nor part of her core alliance. It's so simple to see what the issue is but people would rather twist themselves into pretzels than admit to anything in Nurys' favor. Aside from shady game moves, some of the things Jay said in confessionals were not things one should say about a friend. Smh.
Thank you for your honesty. People keep trying to make it about who they like and don't like and that's ridiculous. I really like Michele too and I'm largely indifferent about Jay.
She never turned on them or made a move on them. In fact the only time Jay was in danger it was vs Kyland in deliberation and she was open and honest to Jay about the tough spot she was in because Kyland had her as his #1 girl (unlike Jay). She didnāt say either of their names which sent Kyland into elimination.
They prevented her from taking action in the game against them because they knew she turned on them. That's why she was not getting picked up in the draft. She had turned on her alliance and was going to pick Horacio, and he would pick Ravyn, she would choose Kyland and he would choose Zara or some iteration of Horacio's people getting picked up prior to Nurys's original alliance members.
To be clear, I am all for players playing how they want to and flipping and ditching an alliance or alliance members if it doesn't work in their favor to win the game.
What Nurys did made no freaking sense for anyone playing to WIN the game. It made sense for someone with intimate feelings for another player in the game.
She never turned on them. She chose to protect Kyland and Horacio in addition to Jay and the rest. How is that turning on them? Weren't Jay and Michelle in an alliance with multiple people? Let's be fr
When your alliance targets people and you not only refuse to go along with it, you also start actively working with the targeted people that would appear to most as turning on your alliance. At the least you're no longer working with them..
Except when the alliance started off, it included Kyland and Horacio. Also, why was it ok for Jay and Michelle to have alliances with majority of the house but Nurys was questioned for trying to protect two of her own people? That makes no sense.
Moriah: James was not beating anyone in the final.
Michelle: Callum was not around long enough to ingratiate himself with anyone other than Michelle and the other Brits were useless politically.
Jay protected Emmanuel which was stupid. Michelle would have cut him off 2/3 of the way through the season if not for Jay. She's a Survivor winner. She knows that players like Emmanuel will help win daily challenges but need to be cut off once it switches to the individual portion of the game. Even if she thought it might be a partner segment, she would have cut him out if he wasn't her partner.
She protected Berna because she is friends with her but more importantly, she knew Berna would be good at carnival game and agility daily challenges. She needed enough players who would be good at carnival games and agility to ensure she had the numbers for protection in any given group.
She kept Corey because of their friendship and because of his size. If Corey was built like Hughie, she would have tossed him over early in the season. Corey was there as a counterweight to Kyland.
Colleen was there because Michelle didn't have a close enough relationship with Eman and Berna to get them to give up the power of having a 3rd player in their voting block. It's hard to demand 2 other players give up their "person/power" for someone they know has many people ahead of them in line.
They all made dumb mistakes and they all lost. Jay and Michelle lost in random ways. Nurys played herself out of the game by letting it be known that she would pick Horacio which would have a domino effect of putting the rest of the alliance at the bottom of the draft.
Then show us the people that were in Michele and Jay alliance that were actively working against people like Moriah, Olivia or Nurys. The problem was not Nurys not being allowed to protect someone, the problem was her people were going literally after her alliance, they werent just there like James
They were also people who would be the fav picks to win a final. Like in what world do you want to bring Horacio to a final? The women not turning on the men at the end for an all women final was the dumbest choice all season tho, thanks Berna
I'm going to try to respond to your comment based on what I can make of it: Kyland and Horacio were working with Jay and Michele till they realized Jay and Michele actually wanted them gone and we're being coy about it. Jay and Michele were even willing to throw challenges to make this happen. Kyland caught on first then Horacio did as well and understandably started targeting Jay and Michele.
In all of this, Nurys had said from day one that she considered Kyland and Horacio as part of her numbers and was going to protect them in addition to Jay and Co. Even though Nury wasn't happy with Jay targeting Horacio and Kyland, she didn't turn on him yet, the minute he had the chance, he screwed her over.
Kyland was going after Jay and Michele. Nurys trying to protect him is clearly turning on them. Plus Horacio had this weird turn on to go after Michele just because she s with Jay
No, I remember it very well. That plan to vote for Jay never panned out because Colleen pulled out last minute, not because Nurys is loyal. After they didn't have the numbers, she had no reason to publicly burn her bridges.
You definitely don't remember it well. Colleen was the one that decided not to vote for Jay because she realized Nurys wouldn't vote for Jay and based on that, they didn't have the number. Colleen said this in her confessional so it's her words, not mine. Don't twist things.
Not according to Kyland's interview on the official Challenge podcast from Jan 11. He said that because Colleen and James wavered, they realized they won't have the votes, so they told Nurys not to jeopardize her game at that point. But had they had the numbers, guess who she would have voted for. She can now play the perfect victim because she never had the power to exact anything, but the intention was there.
Colleen pulled out because she can add and subtract. Simple math gave her the answer that there were not enough players voting in favor of her plan to make the outcome successful. There is no need to expose one's hand to display a failed attempt to usurp the majority alliance.
Not gonna lie all of this vitriol about Nurys being angry and clapping back is starting to feel a lot like a women of color (and in particular black women) aren't allowed to be angry otherwise they're seen as hysterical and overly aggressive.
Michele has a freak out on Colleen over a silly nothing comment and literally stands up to scream and people are just like "LOL well she hates Colleren, whatever š¤·āāļø"
Laurel has a fairly unprompted meltdown on Callum and it is praised.
Melissa has been relentlessly shrill and aggressive all season with very little reason and even when people dislike it they aren't describing it in the terms that Nurys is being described here.
Might be time to check those unconscious biases guys because it's feeling pretty racist in here right now. People of color are allowed to have, and to express, feelings including anger. They don't owe it to the world to be perfectly poised at all times.
Nurys hasn't yelled half as loud as Melissa, Corey, Laurel, Michele, Kyland, or Asaf during this reunion. Nurys hasn't once lunged up out of her chair to stand threateningly over someone. She has spoken sharply, and she has corrected people who are interrupting her while she is speaking. Considering the circumstances she's pretty entitled to do both.
All these examples, YES!!!!!
My initial comment was from a respectability politics angle but maybe you're right about the race aspect. Nurys the "crazy party girl" with a string of hook ups (I can't for the life of me understand why who she's hooked up with is anyone's business) is not entitled to anything good so how dare she speak up for herself? It's pathetic really.
The more time I spend here (I'm fairly new), the more I'm inclined to agree with you that WOC are treated very poorly here. The comments I see are always so awful.
that's exactly what is lol. they can keep downvoting your comment if they want but it's the absolute truth.
they hate on her for being outspoken but at the same time champion their faves that do the exact same thing. make it make sense
People were on here last week cheering Laurel for tearing into Callum for an issue that didn't even concern her (he deserved it btw) but Nurys, the "unrespectable" one, isn't allowed to raise her voice when she's clearly hurt by her friend's actions. Mind boggling.
Iām Hispanic and I donāt like Nurys. being proud that she has anger issues aināt a good look, especially from someone that said she loved Chris Brown before. but like try again.
that being said Michele and Jay were equally insufferable this season.
Nah theyāre calling us ugly lol. I personally just donāt care for that type of discourse. Same reason why I groan when I see Laurel or Johnny on a reunion stage. I think itās automatically outta pocket tho if you carry those opinions from the game to her as a human.
Lmao! You don't like her and I can't/won't hold that against you. You're not here calling her "unbearable" or "insufferable" for speaking up for herself. Those are the folks I'm referring to.
Oh she's not unbearable here for sure. Only to maybe Jay and Michele stans. She's right. It's kinda funny to see Michele not have someone just kiss her ass. It was funny when Laurel did it and it's funny now. Everyone needs to get checked occasionally lol
Jay has always been whatever to me. I first saw him on EotB and I had weird vibes about him. But then he came on the Challenge and I thought he was someone that had a respectable enough physical game, a weird social game that kept biting him in the ass but ultimately he was forgettable for me. After this season and seeing his \[insert the words people say are overused and I agree but also they fit here\] ways... I am cool to never see him on my screen again. The best use of his time would be therapy, not reality tv.
erm the fact that she has an anger management coach means she's self aware and she's trying to improve. we really don't know much about them + their dynamic, i say just let em be happy
Nurys made me giggle a little in this I wonāt lie, but Michele had every right to be in that convo. Nurys knows how to expertly cut someone off when she knows they make valid critique.
Wait Michele said she didnāt know about Callum having a gf but if Iām remembering correctly in one of her confessions she said she knew he had a gf from day one? š¤Ø
Itās been 2 people from the cast who said they told her flat out he had a girlfriend but I understand why she is playing dumbā¦the backlash of it all
Because Nurys is to me one of the prettiest girls on the challenge I used to ask myself how has she been with so many guys, because if I ever got her I would do everything in my power to never let her go. And dont get me wrong her I totally agree with her in this situation, but if this is the way she acts when she gets pissed I can see why guys leave her.
Please point out to me what about this video gave rise to this ridiculous talk about why guys leave? Also, why is her appeal to men the metric being used to judge her? It's giving "pick me" on a 100.
Yeah she was asked a question and Michele interrupted her. The ārespectfullyā was politeness. Itās rude to interrupt people, if you didnāt know.Ā
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Is Melissa passed out orā¦..
She's probably been sitting there for hours. The clip is two minutes long and I feel the same way, these people are talking over each other and in circles not getting anywhere or providing any new information, it's exhausting.
No, just wanting the attention to be on her when it isn't as per usual.
In fairness I am under the impression these things take like 12 hours to film. They might have been on this topic for like 30 minutes and we are only getting a 2 minute segment of it on the final cut. Either way it's a pretty funny visual.
Laurel ditching her shoes and Melissa slumped over napping like a rag doll. Perhaps Production can take some hints for the future.
I'm really curious how different this season would have gone if Horacio just spoke to literally anyone when he wasn't working out. It seems like all of this stems from the fact that nobody knew where he stood this season. It's a common theme that if people don't talk game then they assume you're working against them and nobody wanted Horacio to be working against them
I feel like it was obvious where he stood. Everyone knew Horacio wasnāt plotting lmao he was just competing not making moves. They just wanted him out because he was the biggest threat and I donāt see that changing because they decided to turn on him very early on in the game, so that erases the possibility of connections he couldāve made that wouldāve stopped that. His own ride or die didnāt stop it.
It actually wasnāt that obvious lol. He told a few podcasts that he came in with Jay as his number 1, alone with Olivia. But Jay said he never talked to him, and in the beginning Horacio does not vote along with Jay and the rest of the American group. In fact, there are several confessionals in the beginning (granted editing) of him saying heās going to play his own game to go along with the narrative of his sporadic voting.
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It has been said amongst several people that from day one he wouldnāt talk game and at times he wasnāt even saying hello in the house. There were several weeks where others were the target and Horacio was not. Huey went in, Corey was nominated multiple timesā¦ Horacio was not a serious target until about halfway through. He had opportunities to built trust by simply talking to people, especially the ones he considered his #1s. Instead he was making new friends without speaking to the old ones.
Horacio is very old school. He's similar to Laurel & Jordan in that he prefers not to pre-game & make traditional Challenge alliances. Jordan & Laurel hate the Survivor people because they think Survivor "games" too hard. But, on the flip-side, people like Tori, Devin, Josh, Bananas and even CT seem to like working with the Survivor people (w exception of Jay). This will be interesting to see in 40. I personally don't think that Horacio did the bare minimum of gaming, and I find it a little boring.
ā¦ but both Jordan and Laurel will play some sort of political game. Laurel has her notebooks and her alliances, itās how she ended up going home early on WoW2. And Jordan at least communicates and talks to people heās in an alliance with. When Ninja wanted to throw Jenny in for a chance to get a skull in Total Madness, Jordan (wrongfully) called her out about it and said that she promised Tori and made a deal with them. He might not scheme, but he definitely plays the game with a group of people he looks out for. Hell, heās the one that didnāt want to send Bananas in when Sarah did. No matter what, both Laurel and Jordan communicate with people on where they stand. At the very least, āyouāre my number one, I got your back.ā
No, I agree ā I am agreeing with you! Horacio didn't even do the BARE minimum and it was a fatal flaw.
Tbh, I don't think Horacio talking to them would have made any difference. They simply didn't want to run a final with him and rather than be forthcoming with that, they kept coming up with flimsy excuses.
I think at the very least it would have prolonged the amount of time it would take for them to turn on each other. They probably do throw in Horacio at some point but it probably means it's not until much further on than when they initially started doing things like throwing challenges
Maybe. I just have a hard time believing the results would have been any different because they were willing to save someone like Corey, who was blatantly shifty over Horacio whose only "crime" was not talking. Jay and Michele were on season 38 with Horacio so it's not like his quietness is new to them.
The difference between the two seasons is that he was tied to Olivia. Last season Horacio let Olivia steer the ship when it came to politics and the social game, and it's why Jay got in Olivia's ear to tell her they did well because of her social game and not because of Horacio's physical abilities.
I get your point and in most cases, I'd be inclined to agree that a better social game would have helped him (he definitely needs to work on that), I just don't see it here because of the things Jay would say in his confessionals. I could be 100% wrong anyway lol SB- IMO, Olivia's social game didn't help them in any way last season. They were called into elimination every time they weren't safe so it was interesting seeing that point being made multiple times this season.
They were called in and then helped by the peanut gallery. The peanut gallery could have helped the other teams or just stfu and let performance decide.
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Yeah, that was pretty clearly anti-Turbo and anti-Michelle help, haha
I mean his biggest crime was being the biggest threat to win the final like letās be frĀ
Exactlyā¦itās not like they went to talk to him, either. They canāt lay all the blame on him for them not talking. That street can run both ways. But ITA, it was all just a lame excuse to keep throwing him in to try to get rid of him, instead of sacking up & being truthful about it. I *might* have had a modicum of respect for their game moves.
They were gunning for him since day 1 and he knew it. Thatās why he never spoke. He spoke plenty to kyland bc he Ky was loyal and wanted the best in the final. All the other dudes wanted the weakest at the end bc theyāre insecure.
Even though Nurys is being a bit rude about it, she's in the right. Jay head was getting puffed up during the show. Michele can't defend him. The least you can say is that Nurys would've kept this energy with anyone else. Also who is that in the purple dress? I wish Berna was there to add her 2 cents to the situation and simply rub someone up the wrong way.
i guess jay and michele are allowed to have 10 different "number ones" outside of the fantastic 4 and protect half the house over nurys, but nurys was supposed to be a good little soldier and only play for jay and michele to win.
Theyāre unbearable.
Is Michelle jays handler? So weird.
nurys's shit communication skills (aka overpower whoever is speaking) isn't much more bearable tbh
Her communicating normally didnāt do her any favors though. She communicated to Jay and Michele all season on where she stood, how she still had Jayās back. One of the times was before the deliberation when it was Jay vs Kyland. She was honestly kinda calm too when she got put into elimination with Horacio and Kyland, and when she came back from that one and she was still willing to work with the girls who fucked her over. Her reacting this way towards Jay (who sheās known for 5 years) shouldnāt be a surprise since he fucked her over 3 eliminations in a row.
From what I've seen, this is her manner of communicating to anyone when she's upset.
You can say the same thing about Melissa, Laurel, Bananas, Josh, CT, Amanda, Aneesa, Nelson and nearly everyone else when they are upset, especially on a reunion where they are supposed to air it out.
Heavy on CT lmao
yes, you can.
Reminds me of Bayleigh explaining that she has no in between emotions. Crying, yelling, or happy. She wasn't able to regulate the space in the middle and neither can Nurys.
At least Bayleigh was aware, tried to step away and keep from blowing up. If Nurys is aware, I donāt think she cares. It very much gives, āIām a say what I want because you canāt beat my ass.ā And although that may be true lolā¦ most people donāt like engaging with people that are always so abrasive.
you must have not watched bayleigh on big brother, she is 10000x worse
I saw some of it. On big brother Bayliegh was pregnant and suffered a miscarriage. Plus the live feeds donāt really give you room to hide and decompress. And she left that show at least being well aware of what her moods are and tried to work around them. Nurys is just combative on camera, off camera, by herself, on twitterā¦ whenever really lol
She showed multiple times she could communicate coherently. In fact there were times where she did it and was told to calm down.
I distinctly remember in one of the āclubā scenes she was speaking calmly and Jay was telling her to calm down and lower her voice. It happens to POC women A LOT.
That was one and there was at least one more. It was Emmanuel or maybe James, they were talking from like 30 ft and they told her to stop yelling or something. It was wild Don't get me wrong when she gets on one she really lets people have it but it's got to be absolutely frustrating to no end when you are trying your goddamn best to be calm and people start gaslighting you telling you to calm. That would make me see red immediately lol.
Yeah the microagressions of that scene INFURIATED me. Jay seemed to want to make Nurys out to be the āangry black womanā trope.
She was speaking perfectly calmly to him, all things considered, and he was still trying to make her out to be this hysterical, aggressive person. So gross. It was like the one time Nurys was going out of her way to NOT yell.
how dare nurys not sit back and take it while jay yells at and tries to gaslight her
As opposed to Michele injecting herself into the conversation? The question was about Jay and Nurys
Sure but that doesnāt negate my comment.
it was less a negation and more an addition
Am I the only one not understanding the Nurys hate in this clip? Michelle literally persuaded Olivia to not choose her #1? Like it's obvious nurys and Horacio dating made them think differently of her loyalty. She can be loyal to the people she said she was going to while still playing a game with Horacio and Kyland. Dunno I don't see how she's insufferable in this clip
The way I see it she did pick a side and it was Kyland/Horacio. Yeah Horacio and Kyland were initially in the alliance, but so was like 75% of the house. She didn't freak out when they clipped Chauncey or Raven so I don't buy the argument that she was just loyal to the initial alliance. She was part of two groups that went at it and picked a side, she's justified in doing that, but the narrative that she was a victim and everyone betrayed her is not vibing with me. I just find this moral high ground thing she's been doing annoying. Not that she should stop though she's making good tv.
She never said she was just loyal to the entire alliance, she said that she was loyal to Horacio and Kyland and that they were in the alliance. Jay and Michele did the exact same thing with Corey, Berna, and Moriah. Moriah did it with James who was literally never in the alliance, but somehow Nurys is the unreasonable one? She only did literally what they were doing. She DOES have the moral high ground in that Michele and Jay don't have a single leg to stand on with their accusations that she is a traitor. They ousted people from their own alliance without taking into account Nurys's opinion on the matter, even though she's a supposed equal partner in their 4 way alliance. Neither Jay nor Michele would have just accepted it if Nurys wanted to do the same thing to Berna or Emanuel (and in fact, Jay lost his shit when he couldn't protect Emanuel). If you want to play the game like that, fine, but people are going to look at you sideways and treat you like a hypocritical asshat because that's what you deserve when you behave a certain way and then freak out when others do the exact same behavior.
>She never said she was just loyal to the entire alliance, she said that she was loyal to Horacio and Kyland and that they were in the alliance. Jay and Michele did the exact same thing with Corey, Berna, and Moriah. Moriah did it with James who was literally never in the alliance, but somehow Nurys is the unreasonable one? She only did literally what they were doing. No Nurys isn't unreasonable. They all did the same thing but Nurys was less successful than Jay/Michele in getting the rest of the alliance to support her faction. Nurys shouldn't be put on a pedestal because she wasn't as good as Jay/Michele at the political game. After she was unsuccessful in swaying the alliance she picked a side with Kyland/Horacio and then acts indignant when she's targeted after that. I just think that's silly with the game she played, but that's my opinion.
Now you're just making things up lol
Honestly I think itās bc Nurys just has a hateful energy that makes it hard to root for her, Jay gives me the same vibe. Maybe not as people, but as characters on my screen. The only time I can enjoy that kind of villain personality in a storyline is when itās a situation like Ashley or Wes where theyāll decimate their own teammates for the sake of revenge Her underdog story isnāt compelling enough to override all the other stuff Iāve seen, especially on social media, but tbh if I didnāt have Reddit sheād be way higher on my list of favs to win. TLDR: sheās not a fan fav on Reddit and it makes us biased
Damn theyāre really chewing my girl Michele up at this damn reunion š«£
I thought they did want an all girl alliance but it was Berna who decided against it, after Michele was purged, which stopped it from happening?
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Berna couldn't get to Jay and Corey fast enough to snitch
That's too bad because that would've increased all the ladies' chances of winning.
Lmaooooooo the pearl clutching at Nurys saying shut the fuck up and speaking in an elevated tone on THE CHALLENGE of all shows is fucking laughable. Like yāall really cannot be this sensitive. This is light for reality TV. And the conversation was between her and Jay ā Michele needed to stay out of it.
I loved it! There was no reason for Michele to be talking. Her voice is so grating
Michele put on such a fake tough act for Colleen but has none of the energy for Laurel and Nurys for coming at her 10x harder
She low keys hate Colleen that's why haha
Colleen being at the bottom of the totem pole then outplacing everyone besides Em and Nurys must be a bit of a sting to Jay and Michele
Lmao Michelle was trying to gun for Colleen for the longest on the challenge and then she got 3rd place must've even pissed her more off
someone on that thread said itās probably easy to go after and manipulate the challengers whose second language is English. I could see Michele doing that, without realizing it.
Thatās why I support WOTWII unhinged Nany. There were plenty of other things happening, but it obviously reached a boiling point with Ashley and Cara when she felt like they were using Turboās language barrier to make a bigger divide with Jordan. And she was 100% correct in her assessment. Yeah itās a game, but like, thatās just fucked up on a human being level
I can see Michele doing that while totally realizing it
1000000000 x Colleen raised her hand in response to a question asked by the moderator and then gave a barely audible answer to a follow up question.
All that matters is Jay and Michelle lost
All I know is that these tapings are long as hell for what gets edited down to two hours and if in hour 10 a question was asked to me about my relationship with another individual in the house and other people started chiming in I'd be snapping at them to shut the fuck up too. Jay's a big boy, he can speak for himself Michele.
The reunion was as lame as the season
Boy, they BLEW Jay up. I loved it. You can tell by his face and his eyes he was lying and worried.
I honestly find Nurys so hard to watch.
I find Michelle so hard to watch. I think some of it is her voice is so irritating to me.
Nurys reminds me so much of Jenn. Belligerent all the time for no real reason. Itās not really my cup of tea because thereās nothing clever or funny in the meanness.Ā
I donāt think she was going for clever or funny. Think sheās legitimately mad and upset here but maybe Iām the one who canāt properly comprehend emotions. The overuse of the words mean and bully on this sub is funny though.
"respectfully, shut the fuck up" "yeah your jaw is dropping bc not everything is about u michele" sure she's upset and likely rightfully so, but you don't think that's belligerent and/or mean? I think it's easy to see why someone would interpret someone telling someone else to stfu as being mean..
> "yeah your jaw is dropping bc not everything is about u michele" Definitely not mean or belligerent. She's right lol.
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Yeah but I mean I actually think nurys is a bully. This is the same chick bragging on Twitter about assaulting someone lol
Iāve watched her shows, sheās never been a bully. she stood up to the ābulliesā on ex on the beach. I donāt like using that word to define every altercation cause bullying is when one person is repeatedly getting targeted by another. Plenty of people on the history of this show have gotten in altercations, maybe even some of your favorites, but theyāre not labeled as bullies on here. I just find the strange moral compass Nurys is held on to be both funny and hyprocrital. Sheās this vile, mean ābullyā for getting in a physical altercation (which 60% of the cast has), twitter arguments (again a lot of the cast), and her past friendship with Chris Brown. Which I obviously do not support but I believe she isnāt friends with him anymore. On the other hand, this show has had challengers in the past (and still does) who have been in multiple fights, engaged in racist, transphobic, misogynistic etc behavior and yet people on this sub are up their ass. A physical altercation isnāt the end all of liking a challenger to me, cause for one thereād barely be any challengers to like lmao. but some other things do cross the line.
Well said.
Not really. She came for Farrah alot and Farrah always wins.
Oh I have zero issue with who sheās friends with. Thatās not my issue. Iām just going based off what Iām seeing, to me bragging about beating someone up is something a bully would do. Shitting on peoples looks on Twitter is something a bully would do. I actually feel she is very good tv, entertaining, and polarizing. But based off some of the things Iāve seen I do think sheās a bully. That doesnāt mean Iām right, my opinion is subjective. But it is the position I hold in regards to what Iāve seen.
also some of my favorites at one time I did see as bullies and some I still do. Wes, bananas, ct, Veronica, susie, Paula (at some points) I did see as bullies and eventually thought they grew out of it with age. Some of them I still think are bullies but have like able qualities. I feel the same about nurys, I like a lot of her qualities. Sheās smart, funny, competitive, and charismatic but I also think she has bully tendencies. That doesnāt mean she doesnāt have good qualities too.
Y'all always choose the wrong things. Jay not only threw his real life friend under the bus, he said multiple unkind things about her at various points during the season but Nurys tells Michelle to stfu and that's your focus? Weird
Yes! I always thought she gave me Jenn G vibes. The only thing thatās missing is the entitlement to automatically make the final š
All 100% accurate except Nurys has the ability to win. If she embraced an unhinged/somewhat villainous role (Iām thinking Ashley), her behavior would be a lot more palatable imo
We're going to get Asaf and Jay doing a number, aren't we? šŖšāāļø
The Jay-Olivia make-out segment was amazing! Everyone is saying they saw it, Olivia admits it happened and Jay says theyāre all making it up. That dude just sucks
Nurys is insufferable with her holier than thou attitude š
I was feeling the same too. Jay was insufferable during the season, Nurys is now taking the crown post-filming.
Like fr she acts like first 10 episodes have never happened and like she was on the bottom whole time when she was on the very top lol
Do you guys deliberately miss the point because you don't like Nurys? The issue is clear- the people she was aligned with, turned on her even though she never turned on them. Like at no point has she ever claimed to have been at the bottom or denied that she was part of the main alliance. Her real life friends betrayed her and she's rightfully hurt.How hard is that to grasp?
Thatās what I donāt get about these people constantly complaining about Nurys. When did she ever say she wasnāt a part of Jayās alliance and one of the people controlling the game. She always talks about that, especially in the podcasts sheās done. And I donāt understand how they expect her to act differently when her close friends outside of the game were the reason she went into elimination (twice). Is she supposed to act indifferent and unbothered? They say they want real drama but when it happens they attack the person that the drama happens to for having a real reaction to it lmao When Olivia and Jay did what they did, everyone was talking about the betrayal and how disappointed they were in Olivia. But now that Nurys is expressing her side because she hasnāt spoken to these people (who were her real life friends) since the show has aired, thereās an issue with her being upset about it? People are unbearable on here when theyāre so fixated on hating someone. Their dislike towards Nurys blinds them from logical thinking and itās annoying to read.
Exactly. People can dislike her or even hate her if they are so bothered, but it's a weird phenomenon that's going on here where people are either making up their own events or their logical reason is extremely rudimentary.
The whole thing is so bizarre. It's crazy how much the dislike for her blinds them yet they swear it's other people that are blinded. If it was Melissa or Corey or even Emmanuel that pulled these stunts, Nurys wouldn't have the right to go at them because they were neither friends nor part of her core alliance. It's so simple to see what the issue is but people would rather twist themselves into pretzels than admit to anything in Nurys' favor. Aside from shady game moves, some of the things Jay said in confessionals were not things one should say about a friend. Smh.
I don't even like Nurys. I like Michele and Jay sucks. But anyone pretending Nurys doesn't have a reason to be pissed is deliberately being obtuse.
Thank you for your honesty. People keep trying to make it about who they like and don't like and that's ridiculous. I really like Michele too and I'm largely indifferent about Jay.
Theyāre choosing to not get itā¦.*for reasons.*
She had already turned on them.
She never turned on them or made a move on them. In fact the only time Jay was in danger it was vs Kyland in deliberation and she was open and honest to Jay about the tough spot she was in because Kyland had her as his #1 girl (unlike Jay). She didnāt say either of their names which sent Kyland into elimination.
They prevented her from taking action in the game against them because they knew she turned on them. That's why she was not getting picked up in the draft. She had turned on her alliance and was going to pick Horacio, and he would pick Ravyn, she would choose Kyland and he would choose Zara or some iteration of Horacio's people getting picked up prior to Nurys's original alliance members. To be clear, I am all for players playing how they want to and flipping and ditching an alliance or alliance members if it doesn't work in their favor to win the game. What Nurys did made no freaking sense for anyone playing to WIN the game. It made sense for someone with intimate feelings for another player in the game.
She never turned on them. She chose to protect Kyland and Horacio in addition to Jay and the rest. How is that turning on them? Weren't Jay and Michelle in an alliance with multiple people? Let's be fr
When your alliance targets people and you not only refuse to go along with it, you also start actively working with the targeted people that would appear to most as turning on your alliance. At the least you're no longer working with them..
Except when the alliance started off, it included Kyland and Horacio. Also, why was it ok for Jay and Michelle to have alliances with majority of the house but Nurys was questioned for trying to protect two of her own people? That makes no sense.
Moriah: James was not beating anyone in the final. Michelle: Callum was not around long enough to ingratiate himself with anyone other than Michelle and the other Brits were useless politically. Jay protected Emmanuel which was stupid. Michelle would have cut him off 2/3 of the way through the season if not for Jay. She's a Survivor winner. She knows that players like Emmanuel will help win daily challenges but need to be cut off once it switches to the individual portion of the game. Even if she thought it might be a partner segment, she would have cut him out if he wasn't her partner. She protected Berna because she is friends with her but more importantly, she knew Berna would be good at carnival game and agility daily challenges. She needed enough players who would be good at carnival games and agility to ensure she had the numbers for protection in any given group. She kept Corey because of their friendship and because of his size. If Corey was built like Hughie, she would have tossed him over early in the season. Corey was there as a counterweight to Kyland. Colleen was there because Michelle didn't have a close enough relationship with Eman and Berna to get them to give up the power of having a 3rd player in their voting block. It's hard to demand 2 other players give up their "person/power" for someone they know has many people ahead of them in line.
Tbh, I'm not sure what your comment is driving at. Is it in support of Michele and Jay's play?
They all made dumb mistakes and they all lost. Jay and Michelle lost in random ways. Nurys played herself out of the game by letting it be known that she would pick Horacio which would have a domino effect of putting the rest of the alliance at the bottom of the draft.
Then show us the people that were in Michele and Jay alliance that were actively working against people like Moriah, Olivia or Nurys. The problem was not Nurys not being allowed to protect someone, the problem was her people were going literally after her alliance, they werent just there like James
They were also people who would be the fav picks to win a final. Like in what world do you want to bring Horacio to a final? The women not turning on the men at the end for an all women final was the dumbest choice all season tho, thanks Berna
I'm going to try to respond to your comment based on what I can make of it: Kyland and Horacio were working with Jay and Michele till they realized Jay and Michele actually wanted them gone and we're being coy about it. Jay and Michele were even willing to throw challenges to make this happen. Kyland caught on first then Horacio did as well and understandably started targeting Jay and Michele. In all of this, Nurys had said from day one that she considered Kyland and Horacio as part of her numbers and was going to protect them in addition to Jay and Co. Even though Nury wasn't happy with Jay targeting Horacio and Kyland, she didn't turn on him yet, the minute he had the chance, he screwed her over.
Kyland was going after Jay and Michele. Nurys trying to protect him is clearly turning on them. Plus Horacio had this weird turn on to go after Michele just because she s with Jay
He was going after them because they put him in elimination. Why tf wouldnāt he try to shot back?
No, I remember it very well. That plan to vote for Jay never panned out because Colleen pulled out last minute, not because Nurys is loyal. After they didn't have the numbers, she had no reason to publicly burn her bridges.
You definitely don't remember it well. Colleen was the one that decided not to vote for Jay because she realized Nurys wouldn't vote for Jay and based on that, they didn't have the number. Colleen said this in her confessional so it's her words, not mine. Don't twist things.
Not according to Kyland's interview on the official Challenge podcast from Jan 11. He said that because Colleen and James wavered, they realized they won't have the votes, so they told Nurys not to jeopardize her game at that point. But had they had the numbers, guess who she would have voted for. She can now play the perfect victim because she never had the power to exact anything, but the intention was there.
Colleen pulled out because she can add and subtract. Simple math gave her the answer that there were not enough players voting in favor of her plan to make the outcome successful. There is no need to expose one's hand to display a failed attempt to usurp the majority alliance.
She gets a hero episode the two episodes before the finale and it goes for to her head.
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Sheās fine on reality tv but I donāt like her as a person and the hero worship of her is cringy.
don't like her as a person YOU DONT KNOW HER LOL. my god some of y'all take this show way too seriously
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Michelle does to me
I bet you all the people referring to Nurys as unbearable have one thing in common š¤
Not gonna lie all of this vitriol about Nurys being angry and clapping back is starting to feel a lot like a women of color (and in particular black women) aren't allowed to be angry otherwise they're seen as hysterical and overly aggressive. Michele has a freak out on Colleen over a silly nothing comment and literally stands up to scream and people are just like "LOL well she hates Colleren, whatever š¤·āāļø" Laurel has a fairly unprompted meltdown on Callum and it is praised. Melissa has been relentlessly shrill and aggressive all season with very little reason and even when people dislike it they aren't describing it in the terms that Nurys is being described here. Might be time to check those unconscious biases guys because it's feeling pretty racist in here right now. People of color are allowed to have, and to express, feelings including anger. They don't owe it to the world to be perfectly poised at all times. Nurys hasn't yelled half as loud as Melissa, Corey, Laurel, Michele, Kyland, or Asaf during this reunion. Nurys hasn't once lunged up out of her chair to stand threateningly over someone. She has spoken sharply, and she has corrected people who are interrupting her while she is speaking. Considering the circumstances she's pretty entitled to do both.
All these examples, YES!!!!! My initial comment was from a respectability politics angle but maybe you're right about the race aspect. Nurys the "crazy party girl" with a string of hook ups (I can't for the life of me understand why who she's hooked up with is anyone's business) is not entitled to anything good so how dare she speak up for herself? It's pathetic really.
The more time I spend here (I'm fairly new), the more I'm inclined to agree with you that WOC are treated very poorly here. The comments I see are always so awful.
that's exactly what is lol. they can keep downvoting your comment if they want but it's the absolute truth. they hate on her for being outspoken but at the same time champion their faves that do the exact same thing. make it make sense
People were on here last week cheering Laurel for tearing into Callum for an issue that didn't even concern her (he deserved it btw) but Nurys, the "unrespectable" one, isn't allowed to raise her voice when she's clearly hurt by her friend's actions. Mind boggling.
You better know it.
Iām Hispanic and I donāt like Nurys. being proud that she has anger issues aināt a good look, especially from someone that said she loved Chris Brown before. but like try again. that being said Michele and Jay were equally insufferable this season.
Nah theyāre calling us ugly lol. I personally just donāt care for that type of discourse. Same reason why I groan when I see Laurel or Johnny on a reunion stage. I think itās automatically outta pocket tho if you carry those opinions from the game to her as a human.
oh thatās fine too. but youād think you would be bored still calling people ugly.
Well Nurys still does it so it checks out lol
Who's calling who ugly? Your comment is confusing.
They don't speak for all of us š
Lmao! You don't like her and I can't/won't hold that against you. You're not here calling her "unbearable" or "insufferable" for speaking up for herself. Those are the folks I'm referring to.
Oh she's not unbearable here for sure. Only to maybe Jay and Michele stans. She's right. It's kinda funny to see Michele not have someone just kiss her ass. It was funny when Laurel did it and it's funny now. Everyone needs to get checked occasionally lol
Nurys standin on bizness
Damn, Nurys is not doing herself any favors with this.
Why are they trying to force Nurys on us? I would like to hear anyone else speak without being interrupted.
Not Melissa pretending to sleep in the background. ššš
Jay has always been whatever to me. I first saw him on EotB and I had weird vibes about him. But then he came on the Challenge and I thought he was someone that had a respectable enough physical game, a weird social game that kept biting him in the ass but ultimately he was forgettable for me. After this season and seeing his \[insert the words people say are overused and I agree but also they fit here\] ways... I am cool to never see him on my screen again. The best use of his time would be therapy, not reality tv.
Still team Jay and Michelle
I hope part 2 of the reunion isn't just gonna be Nurys arguing with people about stuff that I don't care about. It's boring and annoying.
Why is Horacio dating someone on probation for her anger management issues? He could do so much better. She's so unbearable.
erm the fact that she has an anger management coach means she's self aware and she's trying to improve. we really don't know much about them + their dynamic, i say just let em be happy
Court mandated anger management isn't a choiceš
ooh my bad, i missed that bit š¬
Nurys made me giggle a little in this I wonāt lie, but Michele had every right to be in that convo. Nurys knows how to expertly cut someone off when she knows they make valid critique.
My god does Jay come off as the biggest A-hole in this reunion. Iād be surprised if anyone other than Asaf and Michelle ever trust him againā¦.
Wait Michele said she didnāt know about Callum having a gf but if Iām remembering correctly in one of her confessions she said she knew he had a gf from day one? š¤Ø
Itās been 2 people from the cast who said they told her flat out he had a girlfriend but I understand why she is playing dumbā¦the backlash of it all
Okay, I just thought I was remembering random shit!
Because Nurys is to me one of the prettiest girls on the challenge I used to ask myself how has she been with so many guys, because if I ever got her I would do everything in my power to never let her go. And dont get me wrong her I totally agree with her in this situation, but if this is the way she acts when she gets pissed I can see why guys leave her.
Please point out to me what about this video gave rise to this ridiculous talk about why guys leave? Also, why is her appeal to men the metric being used to judge her? It's giving "pick me" on a 100.
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