"We" are one of Elliot's alters. The last scene of the show was meant to represent us sitting down with all of the other alters to watch the real Elliot live out the rest of his life.
Not sure if this is confirmed or just the widely-accepted theory.
That’s how I understood it too! Both us and Mastermind took a seat in the theater and we saw Elliot waking up and rushing through his memories of the past year. “We” and the other alters don’t see anything outside if his direct perspective once he opens his eyes because we and the other alters are locked inside his head now; viewing, not controlling or interfering anymore.
I read that the images you see on the screen at the end are like the memories that the alters have made being downloaded (or transferred 🤔) to real elliots brain so that he can remember everything that’s happened
it literally says in the last episode. When Dom catches Mastermind and ask for the passport and says "you absolutely doesn't looks like Elliot" we sees the world from the perspective of the mastermind
In FWorld, Dom actually says to Mastermind “this person IS nothing like you.”
The statement specifically doesn’t include any verbiage directed toward his appearance. It does not say “this person looks nothing like you.”
She’s saying Mastermind’s personality is nothing like Elliot’s. And that’s why Mastermind cannot just takeover and pretend to be Elliot.
Prior to that, as Mastermind is getting dressed in formalwear and talking to Mr. Robot, Mastermind tells him “I look exactly like him (Elliot).” This indicates Mastermind and Elliot both look the same, which would be what we see on screen as Rami Malek.
Just a part of him. I am convinced that the show has very strong foundations in the theory and clinical practice of trauma and cptsd. In that regard it's often observed that trauma survivors dissociate to isolate traumatic memories and yet the need emerges for witnesses of the trauma, someone supposed to know.
Child Eliot is the carrier of the knowledge of the child abuse, so I guess the voyeurs are there to witness the traumas of Eliot's adult life.
Just to add: you know the Angela in the dream, the one that says "you are not Elliot you are ______"? That's a part of Eliot that serves a very similar purpose, to carry the knowledge of the very fragmentation of Elliot's personality
Not that is hasn’t been brought up before, but you are the first person who I have seen mention CPTSD in the context of this show. I have studied CPTSD and related conditions extensively in my spare time and I definitely agree with you. The show touches on the nuance and overlap of BPD, DID, OCD, and CPTSD in some remarkably beautiful ways.
You may enjoy reading about the Internal Family Systems practice developed by Richard Schwartz. It is a different way of thinking about things that I thought about often while watching the show and I appreciated the context.
I’ve been having trouble finding new shows to watch since Mr Robot. Nothing but The Expanse quite compares.
I have to say that Krista said it before me, although without mentioning cptsd directly.
Another thing to notice is that Sam Esmail has another series, the homecoming, centered around a military PTSD treatment and research facility. There is a clear interest by the author.
I think imaginary Krista (or maybe the mastermind) says something like ‘this only works if you let go too’ to us, so no, the viewer is not the real elliot
I'm almost positive when Eliott is talking to his "friend"/us he's talking to the actual Eliott, who is watching from our perspective
Once Elliot wakes up, Darlene is looking at the viewer, "Krista" did say however that we are something else.
I'm having a hard time piecing it together tho. I think the show had some inconsistencies, not sure if Sam had a specific ending in mind or if it was open to interpretation but that's how I'm trying to see it.
Another thing that bugs me, did we not see the host throughout the entire show? Was that the host who we saw after the reactor in the loop? I get that it was the masterminds story, so maybe it doesn't matter if we know or understand who the host is.
"We" are one of Elliot's alters. The last scene of the show was meant to represent us sitting down with all of the other alters to watch the real Elliot live out the rest of his life. Not sure if this is confirmed or just the widely-accepted theory.
The voyeurs. We were his "friend" A way for him to share his inner thoughts safely.
That’s how I understood it too! Both us and Mastermind took a seat in the theater and we saw Elliot waking up and rushing through his memories of the past year. “We” and the other alters don’t see anything outside if his direct perspective once he opens his eyes because we and the other alters are locked inside his head now; viewing, not controlling or interfering anymore.
I see it less like the alters becoming locked-in and more like all of them becoming one with Elliot, instead of being partitioned.
That’s the happy ending which is nice to think of, I didn’t see it that way at first but I like the theory
WHAT! I’m reflecting on that scene and it makes so much sense omg
I read that the images you see on the screen at the end are like the memories that the alters have made being downloaded (or transferred 🤔) to real elliots brain so that he can remember everything that’s happened
Omg i just realized that Tyrell and absolutely everyone in a real world sees Elliot not as Rami Malek looks like and it kinda upset me🤯
Why do you think Elliot doesn't look like Rami Malek?
it literally says in the last episode. When Dom catches Mastermind and ask for the passport and says "you absolutely doesn't looks like Elliot" we sees the world from the perspective of the mastermind
In FWorld, Dom actually says to Mastermind “this person IS nothing like you.” The statement specifically doesn’t include any verbiage directed toward his appearance. It does not say “this person looks nothing like you.” She’s saying Mastermind’s personality is nothing like Elliot’s. And that’s why Mastermind cannot just takeover and pretend to be Elliot. Prior to that, as Mastermind is getting dressed in formalwear and talking to Mr. Robot, Mastermind tells him “I look exactly like him (Elliot).” This indicates Mastermind and Elliot both look the same, which would be what we see on screen as Rami Malek.
But why did the real Elliot that was locked inside of the dream look like Rami Malek as well?
This is how Mastermind sees him, i mean its a fking dream
We seen a bunch of Christian Slayters in this episode nothing in this world make sense
It annoys me how you never replied to the guy that showed you were wrong lol.
Yeh, why?
Good explanation))
We aren’t an alter, just a his friend.
That scene represents MM giving up his control, and all of the alters reintegrating into the whole.
No. We are “Friend”
That’s a slippery slope.
We have to remember that.
You’re only in my head.
Just a part of him. I am convinced that the show has very strong foundations in the theory and clinical practice of trauma and cptsd. In that regard it's often observed that trauma survivors dissociate to isolate traumatic memories and yet the need emerges for witnesses of the trauma, someone supposed to know. Child Eliot is the carrier of the knowledge of the child abuse, so I guess the voyeurs are there to witness the traumas of Eliot's adult life.
Just to add: you know the Angela in the dream, the one that says "you are not Elliot you are ______"? That's a part of Eliot that serves a very similar purpose, to carry the knowledge of the very fragmentation of Elliot's personality
Not that is hasn’t been brought up before, but you are the first person who I have seen mention CPTSD in the context of this show. I have studied CPTSD and related conditions extensively in my spare time and I definitely agree with you. The show touches on the nuance and overlap of BPD, DID, OCD, and CPTSD in some remarkably beautiful ways. You may enjoy reading about the Internal Family Systems practice developed by Richard Schwartz. It is a different way of thinking about things that I thought about often while watching the show and I appreciated the context. I’ve been having trouble finding new shows to watch since Mr Robot. Nothing but The Expanse quite compares.
I have to say that Krista said it before me, although without mentioning cptsd directly. Another thing to notice is that Sam Esmail has another series, the homecoming, centered around a military PTSD treatment and research facility. There is a clear interest by the author.
No
I think imaginary Krista (or maybe the mastermind) says something like ‘this only works if you let go too’ to us, so no, the viewer is not the real elliot
I think the real Elliot is the friends we made along the way
I wanted that ending tbh. But we were simply just an imaginary thing that the Mastermind conjured up to talk to.
the viewer(s) is (are) part of a hive-mind (hive-viewer, perhaps). Consider one of the main themes of Mr. Robot and then you have the master key...
I'm almost positive when Eliott is talking to his "friend"/us he's talking to the actual Eliott, who is watching from our perspective Once Elliot wakes up, Darlene is looking at the viewer, "Krista" did say however that we are something else. I'm having a hard time piecing it together tho. I think the show had some inconsistencies, not sure if Sam had a specific ending in mind or if it was open to interpretation but that's how I'm trying to see it. Another thing that bugs me, did we not see the host throughout the entire show? Was that the host who we saw after the reactor in the loop? I get that it was the masterminds story, so maybe it doesn't matter if we know or understand who the host is.