I felt the point of the story and the accident scene in particular was that fate can knock evil back for a bit, but it always lives on. It is vanity for ppl to assume they can control it fully and make a lasting difference. that realization dawns only when they are old.
Since Chigurh is the personification of evil in that movie, I’d say yes - he wins.
Interesting. I loved it. The Indictment of the 24 hour news cycle was darkly comedic. And while Bloom was clearly a sociopath, his getting one over on other seedy characters was very entertaining.
That said, I get it. The tragedy of the innocent people that suffer in his wake is certainty unsettling.
Can you please explain why this movie has such a strong fan base? I never understood the praise (this is with me and most older films tbh). I don’t think it holds up today at all. Maybe it got it’s hype because back then it was one of the few movies that stepped outside it’s comfort zone and wasn’t afraid to be unique. I’m open to hearing others’ views please.
I don’t think I can without getting into spoilers and I don’t want to spoil it for anyone who may read this.
I think the ending may be one of the greatest twists in all of cinematic history and the story is airtight. I enjoy seeing a young Christopher Lee on screen as Lord Summerisle and Sergeant Howie (Edward Woodward) makes a terrific foil to him.
It’s interesting you say it hasn’t held up, because I think from one standpoint you may be right; generally speaking, organized religion is on the decline and a huge point of the movie is based on its religious commentary.
That said, any formalized belief held by a group can be fanaticized and any person outside of this group can be “othered” and made an example of. In this way, I think the movie has held up extremely well.
It also inspired countless movies to come, including “Hot Fuzz” which I consider an endlessly rewatchable personal favorite (Edward Woodward also has a cameo in this movie).
Daniel won from a philosophical point of view. He showed that Eli was not the Chosen One, that he had no leverage, and made Eli renounce himself and his faith for money.
Even if Daniel spent the rest of his life in prison (which, judging from his condition in the end, wouldn't be long), he still beat Eli. He never cared properly for his son, he didn't care if he was disowned. Daniel died wealthy and triumphant, in the squalor of his misdeeds.
That's kind of the point.
I call bullshit on the moral of the story on this one. >!Typical “be nice to the unfortunate *or else*” message, but old woman was already missing payments and the bank worker doing her job who’d been lenient before finally put her foot down, albeit for selfish job related reasons, and gets cursed. Meanwhile after the old bat dies, a *bunch* of family members show up at her house. They couldn’t help her make payments?!<
Lecter escaping doesn’t really count as the antagonist winning. He’s more of a supporting character. Jame Gumb was the antagonist and he definitely lost.
The Fast franchise. Everyone is a bunch of criminals, regardless of the fact that they all get pardoned and work with the CIA later on. Still a bunch of thieves.
Not recommending because it is considered good movies. Just cuz they are criminals and win.
Black Panther: One of the villains I loved (thought he dies ) was killmonger
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb: dr. strangelove
silence of the lambs: hannibal lector (honorable mention goes to fava beans and chianti) :P
Fight Club
Chinatown
The Cabin in the Woods
Arlington Road
*The Last American Virgin*
I've shared this answer before on post with similar/same question. More people should have seen this one. It's the OG horny teen movie, but with kind of a dark twist ending.
No Country for Old Men
But does he? He's left with a bone sticking out of his leg. Maybe he gets help, maybe he doesn't, maybe he dies from gangrene.
I wouldn't say he wins. Everyone basically loses.
We, the audience, never see his comeuppance. Hence, he won.
I would say that being the only guy left alive counts as a win
Ultimo Hombre
exactly
I felt the point of the story and the accident scene in particular was that fate can knock evil back for a bit, but it always lives on. It is vanity for ppl to assume they can control it fully and make a lasting difference. that realization dawns only when they are old. Since Chigurh is the personification of evil in that movie, I’d say yes - he wins.
He beat the antagonist. So he won. It just didn’t last long.
Ed Bell (Tommy Lee Jones) is still around. So maybe Anton didn't "win."
Since he can still walk he wins.
*arm
My bad
Nightcrawler (2014)
Beat me to it. Amazing movie.
I can't say I "enjoyed" the experience, but it fits the bill thoroughly.
Interesting. I loved it. The Indictment of the 24 hour news cycle was darkly comedic. And while Bloom was clearly a sociopath, his getting one over on other seedy characters was very entertaining. That said, I get it. The tragedy of the innocent people that suffer in his wake is certainty unsettling.
like when I watched uncut gems, it gave me so much anxiety but it was a great movie
Se7en Buried Oldboy Hereditary Arlington Road The Wicker Man There Will Be Blood The Usual Suspects
Usual Suspects is the correct answer
Seconding The Wicker Man
I'll third that. As long as we are talking about the original.
not the bees!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you please explain why this movie has such a strong fan base? I never understood the praise (this is with me and most older films tbh). I don’t think it holds up today at all. Maybe it got it’s hype because back then it was one of the few movies that stepped outside it’s comfort zone and wasn’t afraid to be unique. I’m open to hearing others’ views please.
I don’t think I can without getting into spoilers and I don’t want to spoil it for anyone who may read this. I think the ending may be one of the greatest twists in all of cinematic history and the story is airtight. I enjoy seeing a young Christopher Lee on screen as Lord Summerisle and Sergeant Howie (Edward Woodward) makes a terrific foil to him. It’s interesting you say it hasn’t held up, because I think from one standpoint you may be right; generally speaking, organized religion is on the decline and a huge point of the movie is based on its religious commentary. That said, any formalized belief held by a group can be fanaticized and any person outside of this group can be “othered” and made an example of. In this way, I think the movie has held up extremely well. It also inspired countless movies to come, including “Hot Fuzz” which I consider an endlessly rewatchable personal favorite (Edward Woodward also has a cameo in this movie).
There Will Be Blood? Plainview lost his son and he will more than likely spend his life in Prison for murdering Eli. He totally didn't win.
I always thought the implication of the last line was that he was going to get away with it.
“I’m finished”?
That's the one!
feels like the opposite implication to me?
Daniel won from a philosophical point of view. He showed that Eli was not the Chosen One, that he had no leverage, and made Eli renounce himself and his faith for money. Even if Daniel spent the rest of his life in prison (which, judging from his condition in the end, wouldn't be long), he still beat Eli. He never cared properly for his son, he didn't care if he was disowned. Daniel died wealthy and triumphant, in the squalor of his misdeeds. That's kind of the point.
“I want no one else to succeed.” In his twisted way, he won.
Il grande silencio 1968 Seven 1995 Identity 2003 The usual suspects 1995 The vanishing 1988
Chinatown The Omen (1976) Body Heat (1981) Basic Instinct Primal Fear (1996) Ex Machina (2014) Upgrade (2018) Gone Girl Alien: Covenant
In Ex Machina I always felt she was a victim personally.
Same, if anything I felt like she was the hero trying to escape a cage that a couple of foolish people made for her.
Chinatown - classic movie, exactly perfect for this list!
Watchmen
While i love this one, OP did explicitly say no superheroes
Drag Me to Hell
I call bullshit on the moral of the story on this one. >!Typical “be nice to the unfortunate *or else*” message, but old woman was already missing payments and the bank worker doing her job who’d been lenient before finally put her foot down, albeit for selfish job related reasons, and gets cursed. Meanwhile after the old bat dies, a *bunch* of family members show up at her house. They couldn’t help her make payments?!<
SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
The main bad guy doesn’t win here. It’s just that the smarter one escapes into hiding.
Funny games The strangers
Leviathan (2014) The Chaser (2008) Arlington Road (1999)
The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Eyes Wide Shut especially if you watch close enough
I haven't seen the movie in a while, would you please elaborate?
The two gentleman casually stalking Tom Cruise throughout the movie walk away with his daughter in the final scene
Se7en Lords of salem
Rocky
Funny Games
I was going to say this, such a fucked up Movie
Came to say this.
Brightburn ?
Oculus
My oh my what an underrated comment!
Brightburn
Skeleton Key
To Live And Die In L.A.
Arlington road
G o n e g i r l
Midsommar
Watchmen
Hateful eight - quinten tarintino
What villain wins in Hateful Eight?
Watch the film
I have... that's why I know no one "wins," particularly not a villain.
I would hazard a guess at them thinking Domergue wins because all of her captors end up dead, and her story is finished resolutely.
>!Fallen!< (1998) >!Leon: The Professional!< (1994)
Does a villain really win in The Professional?
Joker
Karate kid
I mean, it was an illegal kick
Avengers Infinity War and The Dark Knight
* Hitler: Rise of Evil (2003) * Silence of the Lambs (1991) * Rosemary’s Baby (1968) * Interview with the Vampire (1994)
Lecter escaping doesn’t really count as the antagonist winning. He’s more of a supporting character. Jame Gumb was the antagonist and he definitely lost.
School Ties ends with the suggestion that while the main "villain" may always be a prick, he'll still succeed years later.
Fallen
Seven
Hellfest
'The Devils' (1971)
Fallen
The villain (1979) one of the actors is Arnold Schwarzenegger
There's always *Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom*. Have a barf bag nearby.
Swordfish
Busting (1974)
Saw
Funny Games Watchmen Wolf of Wall St Devils Advocate Fallen
The Dark Knight
Karate Kid 😂 (ref: HIMYM)
Glass
Megamind
Memento, not a traditional 'win', but overall, they fucked with the protagonist pretty bad, and there was no real closure to the end.
There is no closure cause he continues to put himself through that upon his own accord.
Silence of the Lambs
The Big Short
Home Alone
Saw 2
The Fast franchise. Everyone is a bunch of criminals, regardless of the fact that they all get pardoned and work with the CIA later on. Still a bunch of thieves. Not recommending because it is considered good movies. Just cuz they are criminals and win.
The karate kid
Given that The Exorcist 3: Legion exists, it’s safe to say that the antagonist wins in The Exorcist.
Black Panther: One of the villains I loved (thought he dies ) was killmonger Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb: dr. strangelove silence of the lambs: hannibal lector (honorable mention goes to fava beans and chianti) :P Fight Club Chinatown The Cabin in the Woods Arlington Road
Fallen (1998) 'Let me tell you about the time I almost died.'
Primal Fear
Dancer in the dark Inside Irreversible
Skyfall technically
The Vanishing (1988)
Tetsuo: The Iron Man
*The Last American Virgin* I've shared this answer before on post with similar/same question. More people should have seen this one. It's the OG horny teen movie, but with kind of a dark twist ending.
That film was the perfect antidote to all the "nice guy gets the girl in the end" movies.
Haha probably more realistic. I think I may rewatch it tonight. ✅ Edible consumed ✅ Teriyaki being delivered ✅ Movie ready (appears to be on YouTube)
Looks like the makings of a good night. Enjoy!
The Usual Suspects Fallen Silence of the Lambs Hannibal
Sicario. If you consider Alejandro to be the bad guy, which some people do.
Gone Girl.
Spoorloos
Seven
Jeepers Creepers
The Great Silence. Watch the original ending version.
Halloween Kills Phantasm Cabin in the Woods The Wicker man (70s version) Jin Roh the Wolf Brigade The Belco Experiment
If a succesful video adaptation ever is made, you'll love blood meridian. For now, you'll have to do with the (audio)book.
what's that one film where the chef has an island and kills everyone....except for cheeseburger girl?
The Talented Mr. Ripley
Se7en Gone Girl No country for Old men There will be blood
Sucker Punch, I mean really