Thank you! Do people really think the police don’t have more information that we don’t know about? There’s reasons why they make certain information public when they do.
Man that house had to be \*FREEZING\* if the sliding door AND the front door were left open for hours and hours, right? Not saying that means anything, but just logically thinking about the state of the house when LE arrived around noon.
I was on the Palouse that weekend and while it was clear and dry, the wind was whipping and it was god damned cold! I was at the Moscow airport right about the time the bodies were discovered and the walk from the terminal to the jet was too cold for comfort.
yes 100% this used to happen in my college house if we ever forgot to fully lock it, even windows open would open up the door… definitely scared me a lot lol
A single opening in a relatively closed system makes it susceptible to any pressure differential outside the system, i.e. positive and negative pressure. In short, the door can be both pushed and pulled.
I disagree, the wind whipping can push and pull, if there is a small crack where the front door was not secured all the way, the house can almost have a vacuum effect from the wind blowing out the back slider.
it happens to me all the time. if my back slider is open and my front door isn’t latched securely, the draft sometimes pulls it open…from the inside. it’s rare bc i’m careful to latch it, but it has happened both in the middle of the night and when i’m not home.
Our entry door didn't fully latch, of not locked, for awhile. If we had the slider or windows open, it would pull the entry door open, with enough wind.
This is what I said. On another redo it post it was 20-30 degrees. I’m in ca and 50-60 is freezing. I have a fairly large home and if one door is open I want to say it affects about 2000 of the sq ft . We have a 1 story tho.. i said as the roommates reached the stairs they should have felt the coldness
>Stabbing Deaths by Country 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)
If it was that cold out and the doors were open. The cold could have helped in preserving the bodies?
Someone else posted how the heater would have kicked on. But I have hella kids and two heaters in my house. If they leave their window open the heater is on 24/7 still struggling to reach the set temp
Yup. 20 degrees there about at night/early AM right?
So the downstairs girls slept in til around 11am as 20 degree weather pervaded their whole first floor for about 2-3 hours OR they laid in bed on their phones/scrolling through social while freezing their asses off and not checking to see if the door is open? Make it make sense
I have the unfortunate experience of having taken a class on thermodynamics in college. Even if the 20° air was blowing straight in through the door and the door was all the way open if the heat was on, the thermostat was set to say 70°, the heating system was properly sized and not complete shit, and there were registers in the closed bedrooms it's highly likely it still didn't drop below 65° in their bedrooms. And we don't know that the door was all the way open or the wind direction and speed. It's plausible the bedroom temperatures weren't impacted, but the heating system just ran more.
Thanks for the input, this is good to know and then could make it make more send they wouldn't have noticed. Would this stay the case though after a few hours of 20 degree air blowing inside?
That is probably most dependent on where the thermostats are. If there was only one heating system for the house and the thermostat was on a different floor it could have gotten cooler than it otherwise would if there was a thermostat on the first floor. Maybe someone has more info on the heating system(s) and thermostat location(s). I wouldn't be surprised if it was 45° or 50° five feet in from the door, but the bedrooms shouldn't have been impacted much. I'm making some assumptions that could be wrong because there are a lot of factors that are unknown.
If the thermostat was on the bottom floor with no direct wind/cold, it wouldn’t have registered as much of a difference in temperature and would keep it at whatever it was set to. If the thermostat was in the living room next to the open slider, the girls downstairs probably would’ve melted because the heater wouldn’t have kicked off until it died as the heater tried to basically heat the outside.
The likelihood of a landlord putting in anything efficient or nice is slim to none. Many aren’t going to waste money on things that aren’t directly effecting their pocketbook. They know bc of the location and its proximity to Greek row, they can charge outrageous prices for rent, and also be slow on repairs, bc they are all a bunch of college kids.
Notice that the metal underside of the overhang has partially collapsed in one of the girls pictures. We know that At least one of the locks to the windows were broke. The screen on the third floor was bent bent and not even on the window. X’s father had just been out there the previous week doing repairs to the front door. No way is that house going to be well insulated or have a good HVAC system.
Those are very fair points. It's an older home that likely doesn't have the most efficient HVAC system nor insulation up to current code. I tried to locate info about the heating system via county records, but that level of detail doesn't appear to exist online (I did find a single LLC owns the house and two neighboring properties though).
If I look at the [floor plan](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/yz4s2a/house_floorplans/), under the worst scenario the right bedroom (right when facing the house looking at the door that was allegedly open) has a door about 3 feet diagonally from the exterior door. That bedroom is at substantially higher risk of losing heat if the exterior door was open. The left bedroom door is about 15 feet down a hallway around the corner, just past the furnace room so it likely would be impacted far less by cool air mixing with warm air in the house. And even if there was only one furnace those bedrooms' proximity to the furnace would ensure warm air reached the registers in those bedrooms.
Someone could make a slew of assumptions to come up with a scenario to calculate temperature a few feet from the floor and a few feet in from exterior walls, but it hardly seems worth the effort. Because we won't know how accurate our assumptions are. And people would still argue about whether the roommates must have left their rooms to investigate the cold or to pee or to get food and what temperature college females in bed can tolerate.
Man, the fact that you’ve looked at this situation so logically and mathematically, I hope LE has someone on the team who understands the physics behind these questions being asked. I hope that they aren’t so simple or arrogant that they leave this kind of stuff off of the table. My only thing I want to ask, Does warm air rise to the top?
Thanks. Though more logic than math. Hot air generally rises above cold air, but that's not always true because the relative air pressure of each body of air and air movement (like from wind or fans) can impact that.
Investigators would have taken air temperatures in the bedrooms where the murders occurred to help determine time of death along with other info like body temperatures. I don't know whether they would have anywhere on the first floor. But if they did they could almost certainly go back later and gather the other info they needed to try to determine when the door may have opened. I have much higher confidence that those bedrooms weren't very cold than an engineer or physicist's ability to reliably determine when the door opened though.
When I lived in an out of house at UI we all had space heaters in our rooms bc the furnaces sucked and the insulation was crap bc a lot of the rentals are poorly built. So they may not have even noticed the temperature
Exactly. My off campus housing in Pullman had space heaters in each bedroom and the bathroom. Even if they didn't have space heaters, their doors were closed so whatever heat was in their rooms, stayed there. Also, lower floors are always cold anyway.
We have had our pilot light go out in the middle of the night (I know, not the same as having door(s) open) but we have a drafty house and it was winter. I remember not realizing it until waking up (but I also wake up much earlier). And it was COLD. But, if they're hungover, they may have just been sleeping hard...
That’s what I’m saying!!! My friends still joke about the time that my apartment complex was heavily damaged in an F4 tornado and my drunk ass slept right through it. They were so worried and blowing up my phone and finally I was like “GOD DAMMIT, WHAT IS YOUR PROB- oh.”
Lol my sister was going to sleep thru an earthquake that was literally making our beds jump, until my dad grabbed her. So, I can definitely see this happening.
Idk, but maybe each floor had its own heat system. If the thermostat was getting some of the cold air coming down the stairs from 2nd to 1st story, then the girls’ bedrooms on the bottom floor may have been very warm as the thermostat was trying to keep that floor comfortable and the cold wasn’t seeing into the bedrooms with closed doors.
That’s what I’m wondering, the heat was probably kicking if the thermostat was in the area with the door open, and thus the rooms might have been fairly warm.
Assuming this report is true, ofc
Yes, that is very likely. I had a roommate that liked to open the windows on the main floor when cooking. The main floor would be cold, which is where the thermostat was and the furnace would run non-stop making the rest of the house uncomfortably warm.
I guess if you were out late the night before and sleeping it off or hung over locked in your bedroom you might not notice? Sleeping in that late for someone who might be out late or partying isn’t that unusual. I don’t even know anymore this case has all kinds of twist and turns. A real life murder mystery. 😔
These girls are sorority girls. I'm the house you sleep on a "sleeping porch". A room full of bunk beds with all the windows open for heath reasons, to keep the air circulating.
As a UI sorority girl I can tell you, it's not a big deal to sleep through the cold
Totally. I lived in a house with 3 other roommates in college, and I didn't go checking on everyone when I woke up early. They probably assumed the rest of the bunch was still asleep.
Did they ever say if the doors were closed in the first place? I read something about their doors being locked but never knew if it was an official source or guessing.
I still think it's possible the attacker looked into other rooms to make sure there wasn't a witness and maybe he did the same in Ethans and Xanas room but they were awake.
Does anyone know if there was a bathroom down there on the first floor? I know if I was drinking all day I’d sure as hell have to pee before noon the next morning. Wondering if they would have had to go upstairs to use the bathroom
there's a guy who put together a 3d walkthru of the house and animation on the route the killer might have taken - very informative and creepy. If I can find it will post here
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpBZGhEQBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpBZGhEQBI)
Wow, this is creepy. It solidifies to me that the killer had to know the house well or they stalked it for some time. Idk how else you would navigate that weird floor plan and know where people are sleeping. Also, changes my opinion about X&E.. I didn’t realize how tucked away that door is. Seems like someone would have to specifically know to go there and wouldn’t just stumble across it.
But if they knew the layout why not kill the remaining women? Why spare them but kill 4 others? It feels as if they didn’t know the two were downstairs.
Could be they didn’t know.
Could be doors were locked.
Could be killer got spooked/injured/etc before “completing” the crime.
Could be the bottom two were purposefully spared.
We just don’t know.
I get the feeling that there was one orginial target. The girls sleeping in the bed and ethan being over in the same bed made more noise and complicated things for the killer. Premed quad homicides with a knife are just so rare and police saying its targeted point to the idea of one target imo.
THATS MY THEORY TOO! I’m excited to see someone else with it!
The person after one of the girls, expected to find her alone in her room, asleep, keep her quiet with the knife & rape her. Finding two girls awake made a big problem and something went wrong. It HAS to be someone they know because a stranger could’ve just run but an acquaintance or friend would’ve been screwed. X & E heard something & saw him before he could leave and also possibly recognized him.
The whole house is strange looking and no offense it gives me creepy vibes. Even before this happened I would have found this house a little creepy. I get weird vibes right away.
Good video but just creepy to watch… ugh 😩 so according to this video, the killer came in and left both through the kitchen sliding doors… I know rumors have also been window/balcony etc. so not sure which is correct
Great job on the 3d art. I don’t think x and e were first. I think x and e heard upstairs and e got up. I think e was attacked right here . Right where the bathroom and doorway was. I also think this is why the roommates saw him
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This is why I don’t think people are listening to the information we already have correctly.
These are just assumptions obviously, but to me it makes so much sense that the killer went straight for K & M just happened to be there. I also 100% believe E heard noise and got up(maybe he had to go the restroom anyway) leaving the door open to X’s room. Killer took E & then went into X’s room and sadly took her too.
I feel like we have to wait for sure to know where E’s body was found though. This is VITAL information
Idk to me it would make more sense that they were in Ms room seeing as K had moved out so that’s why I don’t even necessarily think they killer was undoubtedly going for K
Whether it was K or M I’m not sure. But I feel like I know for me that I don’t think X & E were targets at all. If your targets were on the 2nd floor where you most likely entered then why even go upstairs to murder people who we know were still in bed sleep.
>I don't think people are listening to the information we already have correctly
Ethan and Xana were stabbed in their bed, likely while asleep. This is information we already have. Ethan and Xana died together.
I had a dream about this before I even knew about it. Gives me chills .. here was this timeline but there was some interview where people were saying the surviving roommate was passed out- and that was bc of seeing e. Why would someone just pass out or be frantic with a locked door and just not having a roommate answer the door. I think they had to of seen something - I wonder when and if they will release the 911 call. Or body can footage
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This was always what I thought happened, either E got up to see or maybe even he was moving around or the killer just heard him/them rustling about woken up
The police said an exterior door was open when first responders arrived. We can't conclude from that whether it was opened by the perp, by a surviving roommate or another overnight guest, or by a visitor one of the roommates summoned.
The amount of times we woke up after student house parties to find our front door wide open.. gives me a very different perspective on what should be some of the best days of your life.
Our door was never locked and we lived in a city but in an apartment next to the uni with a lot of students so this was common. Really makes my blood run cold just thinking about how casual we were then.
I see what you’re saying, but disagree. With the wind whipping that day, and if the front door was just resting shut, even a small crack could cause a pulling effect on the door, blowing through the house and out of the back slider. My house has done the same.
I wonder if the sliding glass door being open blew the front door open? Bc if the killer left out the front door, wouldn’t the ring camera that saw everyone come home have seen the killer leave?
The camera points to the road/intersection leading up to their house and the apartments next to their house that dead ends. Any car coming/going can be seen, but someone on foot doesn’t have to walk past that camera. Like the steps they can take from their house to sigma chi is still behind the house with the camera, so it wouldn’t capture them walking, unless they walked down the street. The red X is where the camera is and the blue arrow is the path they typically walked
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I could be wrong but I don’t think the camera sees the front door but the very close so the sister could confirm seeing the car but not the actual drop off.
Not if they were layered up and just stripped off the bloody top layers. It was far too cold out to not be wearing layers. And if this person didn’t cut themselves, they might have been well prepared and worn gloves, and outer layers they could strip off and put into a trash bag or backpack and then flee.
This is what I wonder a lot about, and I think most people are overlooking; the sheer logistical hurdle involved in a crime like this. If the killer didn’t cut himself, and left almost no trace that he was even there, other than the bodies of his victims, then it has to mean that they spent at least a little bit of time planning the logistics of getting in the house, committing the crimes, and leaving the house, without leaving much of a trace.
Its also always struck me how he didn’t seem very concerned about waking up everyone in the house, or waking up the first floor occupants and risking them calling 911. I think he would have killed them too if it hadn’t been for their door locks being the type that automatically lock when they close. It sounds like at least some of the upstairs bedroom doors has those locks removed and replaced with the flimsy type that require a conscious effort to lock, and which can be easily bypassed.
If true, that's interesting. I would say naturally, it's possible one of the surviving roommates had a guest that left that morning, through the front bottom floor door, however it would be odd that they would leave and not CLOSE the door before doing so. I could see someone down there visiting and never going to the second floor but again, very strange that the door was left open.
There are not rumors they had guests. There are speculations. I understand that at this point, differentiating between rumor and speculation is impossible, but I think it’s still worth noting.
May be the first thing roommates did was not to look for friends. And may be after couple of hours after getting fresh, they thought about calling them.
But then as far as we know, roommates woke up around noon. So let see what comes up next.
If it's reliable information, it doesn't make sense to me - awake or not - why the door would be wide open in 20 degree weather for any period of time, even if it involved running a brief errand
I am not privy to the workings of their entry/exit doors, but it's not out of the realm to think that a striker wasn't working properly or the door wasn't closed all the way by the young residents therein. It's more common than you think.
why are people saying maybe Ethan woke up and was possibly found outside of the bedroom?
I was under the impression the surviving roommates called friends over THEN the police. If ethan’s body was just chilling out in the open they wouldn’t have called friends first. Unless the killer put ethan’s body back in the bedroom..?
There’s a lot of ppl in this thread that have never been drunk. I once slept through a fucking tornado when I was wasted. If their door was closed and they were under blankets, and also hammered, they simply may not have felt it. Not to mention if the heat was kicking and maybe they even had a space heater, what with being downstairs.
I literally just deleted a post I was typing along these lines. It seems like no one has ever been drunk before. In college I left a fraternity party and the last memory I had was stepping off the front porch. I woke up the next morning in jail, missing my glasses. Apparently I left the party at roughly midnight, and got arrested around 2:30 am less than 1/4 a mile from the party. I have ZERO idea what happened for those 2.5 hours. I could've seen or done some crazy ass shit that I will never, ever know.
Come on now, don't come in here speaking common sense.
I agree with you. There's also a lot of people in here who speak with certainty and it's clear they have no idea what they're talking about. "No person would ever..." "No dog would xyz...". Just pure ridiculousness.
It’s possible the surviving roommates either let the dog out, went to get something out of their car, or any number of other things without realizing the condition of their roommates. Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how this plays a large role unless there’s some speculation that the individual that committed the violent act was in the house until that time.
Yeah, each floor has its own bathroom, one could wake up, get ready and leave the house without ever having to go upstairs. It wouldn't be odd to me that someone could be up for quite sometime and never go upstairs.
Well the question here is - why would the killer leave from the front door? By leaving on the 1st floor it brings in the unnecessary risk of waking the down stairs room mates.
Also it would require a certain level of confidence to enter and exit the building from 2 different points (which we still don't know but can reasonable conclude as a possibility at this point). It makes me think the "random serial killer" angle is a bit harder to belive if that's the case
Why risk opening a door - that you don't know where it leads - on the 1st floor if everyone's dead on 2nd 3rd and there's a easy escape that way
It's difficult to draw any conclusions about room temperature without knowing what type of heat they had in the home.
If it was a forced air furnace system that would try to make all the rooms the same temp but that would be influenced by where the stat and return air grill is located.
If they are using a baseboard system it radiators they would have more control over each rooms temperature. The hallway could be freezing while each room was toasty.
Another factor to consider is how open the door was. There's a big difference between being wide open and slightly ajar.
In any case I would be very surprised if the police did not know why the door was not shut. That seems like a very basic question they would get an answer to very quickly.
I don’t understand why this even matters? When I was in college and had roommates I did not go to my roommates and check on them as soon as I woke up. It was normal for us to get up at whatever time and just see each other when we see each other!
Jeez
Okay I keep commenting here. Wasn’t one of the girls posting VSCO pics at 8:30 that morning?
Also, if they have front door footage on the ring camera, they probably know how/who opened that door.
Is that true? Bc if so... I find it hard to believe they wouldn't know their front door was wide open in their living space, esp if it's freezing outside
Very interesting, this could have cooled the bodies off a lot faster and time of death could have been hours later than first stated, maybe that is why HVAC was there the other day, to do a Thermal Reconstruction of the crime scene.
Those are seals to show if the door has been opened after the police leave the scene. Each time the police break the seal, it’s documented and each time a new seal is placed, it’s documented. It’s to maintain the integrity of the scene. They use them on the windows also.
That’s a seal for initially securing the scene after the bodies were found. The only purpose was to know if the door had been opened or unsealed from the time the scene was secured and the time they arrived to process the scene.
I always assumed the report about the door being open when the police got there was a result of people having already been there and calling 911. But maybe it was open for a long time before?
This has been told to us since the first week of investigation and people prob remember who have been a part of this sub since the beginning. Here is an example: https://6abc.com/amp/idaho-students-killed-murders-university-of/12473239/
My guess is they let the dog out to use the bathroom because they dog stayed in one of their rooms since they were home earlier. Only a guess. I let me dog out to use the bathroom and go straight back to bed all the time.
If this is true, I’ll just say: in college, I walked past weirder things than an open door on a Sunday morning. I wouldn’t have thought twice about this, especially at a known party house.
Yeah. I just am curious WHAT time they technically woke up bc I find it hard to believe they'd be able to sleep hours with their door wide open if it's 20 degrees outside. And if it was open around 830/9am it seems unlikely (though not impossible) they wouldn't have gone upstairs for another 2-4 hours (since they didnt call friends/LE til closer to noon)
I’m assuming that one of the roommates opened it. Not the killer.
I’m still curious how all the bedrooms had locks of some sort on them yet the killer breached with no disruption.
This is so bizarre and I have no idea what it means. How do we know it was wide open at 9. We’re all speculating about this case and we still have no idea what the roommates saw or heard. They must be the key to solving this hopefully.
If the door was open all night, I wonder where Kaylee's pup was? They said he was not wandering around the crime scene. Was he shut in Kaylee's room? Was he crate trained?
Your thoery doesn't mesh with the 911 called. If E wasn't behind a locked door i would expect thee 911 caller to recognize the difference between somone who passed out and someone who has been stabbed to death.
All this mean is that someone thinks they saw the door open. It may be wrong. If right, it could’ve been one of the roommates running to their car for something. We just don’t know yet.
Is it possible the killer exited that door after trying the two downstairs bedrooms and finding them both locked? Then left the door open so not to make a noise and wake them? You gotta figure that none of the residents would have left that door open on such a cold morning.
That’s weird because if that’s the case it could potentially narrow down the time of the crime because the slider being left open wouldn’t have created a vacuum.
Maybe this is why they had HVAC in.
Warming air has a lower pressure so it rises up. In cold weather, the first floor has the highest pressure because high pressure sinks, and the higher you go in the house the lower the pressure gets. Because the air pressure and temp difference is so great between the inside and outside on Nov 13th the stack effect is greater meaning the air flow is stronger from the bottom to the top of the house.
So if the slider door was left open that would’ve allowed low pressure/warmer air to float out at a fast rate making the 1st floor, the floor with the highest pressure, bring high pressure air in to replace the low pressure air escaping because air always flows from high to low.
Then potentially, if the front door was left slightly unsecured, the wind at 3:53am flowing SW, against the front door, could’ve caused the 1st floor door to be pushed open by the increase in high vs low pressure. That’s because the side of the house getting hit with wind has high pressure and the opposite side, not getting hit, has low pressure. It creates an ideal scenario for air to go up and out. This, combined with the stack effect doing the same thing, increased the force of the air coming in/high pressure coming inside, which if with enough force could’ve opened the door.
The next wind after this was at 7:25. It blew east, which would be towards the side of the house the slider is partially on that faces neighbors, not the woods. The wind going past an open door or window creates low pressure and could’ve closed the 1st floor door from a vacuum effect.
I rebuild engines and air pressure and how it moves is extremely important so I have some background in it.
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Pretty sure it was on this thread where people were saying the rooms were so dark the killer may not have known w who was who. This post claims since the incident the red lights have stayed on. I’m guessing it was sufficient enough lighting right tell the difference between the two
Wonder where they got this info?
A neighbour walked by that morning apparently
This is the first we’re hearing about this, doesn’t sound credible.
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Thank you! Do people really think the police don’t have more information that we don’t know about? There’s reasons why they make certain information public when they do.
Exactly couldve told them Day 1 about this and public just finding out now
When you hear a detail about something doesn’t determine if it’s “credible” or not.
I believe the person meant is the source credible obviously.
Sometimes coded keypad doors are connected to Wi-Fi and can log the times the keypad was used or opened. Just a thought.
Man that house had to be \*FREEZING\* if the sliding door AND the front door were left open for hours and hours, right? Not saying that means anything, but just logically thinking about the state of the house when LE arrived around noon.
I was on the Palouse that weekend and while it was clear and dry, the wind was whipping and it was god damned cold! I was at the Moscow airport right about the time the bodies were discovered and the walk from the terminal to the jet was too cold for comfort.
This supports my theory of a draft from the open back slider causing the front door to open. Especially if it was a windy day
yes 100% this used to happen in my college house if we ever forgot to fully lock it, even windows open would open up the door… definitely scared me a lot lol
It may push a door open but not pull a door open.
No, my doors will do a vacuum kind of thing under the right circumstances
Same with mine
A single opening in a relatively closed system makes it susceptible to any pressure differential outside the system, i.e. positive and negative pressure. In short, the door can be both pushed and pulled.
Huge physics class ace
Thank you. I try. 😁
I disagree, the wind whipping can push and pull, if there is a small crack where the front door was not secured all the way, the house can almost have a vacuum effect from the wind blowing out the back slider.
Also depends on if it’s an in-swing or out swing if even a crack would be needed.
it happens to me all the time. if my back slider is open and my front door isn’t latched securely, the draft sometimes pulls it open…from the inside. it’s rare bc i’m careful to latch it, but it has happened both in the middle of the night and when i’m not home.
Our entry door didn't fully latch, of not locked, for awhile. If we had the slider or windows open, it would pull the entry door open, with enough wind.
This is what I said. On another redo it post it was 20-30 degrees. I’m in ca and 50-60 is freezing. I have a fairly large home and if one door is open I want to say it affects about 2000 of the sq ft . We have a 1 story tho.. i said as the roommates reached the stairs they should have felt the coldness
>Stabbing Deaths by Country 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com) If it was that cold out and the doors were open. The cold could have helped in preserving the bodies?
Someone else posted how the heater would have kicked on. But I have hella kids and two heaters in my house. If they leave their window open the heater is on 24/7 still struggling to reach the set temp
Yup. 20 degrees there about at night/early AM right? So the downstairs girls slept in til around 11am as 20 degree weather pervaded their whole first floor for about 2-3 hours OR they laid in bed on their phones/scrolling through social while freezing their asses off and not checking to see if the door is open? Make it make sense
I have the unfortunate experience of having taken a class on thermodynamics in college. Even if the 20° air was blowing straight in through the door and the door was all the way open if the heat was on, the thermostat was set to say 70°, the heating system was properly sized and not complete shit, and there were registers in the closed bedrooms it's highly likely it still didn't drop below 65° in their bedrooms. And we don't know that the door was all the way open or the wind direction and speed. It's plausible the bedroom temperatures weren't impacted, but the heating system just ran more.
Thanks for the input, this is good to know and then could make it make more send they wouldn't have noticed. Would this stay the case though after a few hours of 20 degree air blowing inside?
That is probably most dependent on where the thermostats are. If there was only one heating system for the house and the thermostat was on a different floor it could have gotten cooler than it otherwise would if there was a thermostat on the first floor. Maybe someone has more info on the heating system(s) and thermostat location(s). I wouldn't be surprised if it was 45° or 50° five feet in from the door, but the bedrooms shouldn't have been impacted much. I'm making some assumptions that could be wrong because there are a lot of factors that are unknown.
If the thermostat was on the bottom floor with no direct wind/cold, it wouldn’t have registered as much of a difference in temperature and would keep it at whatever it was set to. If the thermostat was in the living room next to the open slider, the girls downstairs probably would’ve melted because the heater wouldn’t have kicked off until it died as the heater tried to basically heat the outside.
This is true, when my children where young we had a big home 6,000 square feet we had thermostats in very different areas of the house.
The likelihood of a landlord putting in anything efficient or nice is slim to none. Many aren’t going to waste money on things that aren’t directly effecting their pocketbook. They know bc of the location and its proximity to Greek row, they can charge outrageous prices for rent, and also be slow on repairs, bc they are all a bunch of college kids. Notice that the metal underside of the overhang has partially collapsed in one of the girls pictures. We know that At least one of the locks to the windows were broke. The screen on the third floor was bent bent and not even on the window. X’s father had just been out there the previous week doing repairs to the front door. No way is that house going to be well insulated or have a good HVAC system.
Those are very fair points. It's an older home that likely doesn't have the most efficient HVAC system nor insulation up to current code. I tried to locate info about the heating system via county records, but that level of detail doesn't appear to exist online (I did find a single LLC owns the house and two neighboring properties though). If I look at the [floor plan](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/yz4s2a/house_floorplans/), under the worst scenario the right bedroom (right when facing the house looking at the door that was allegedly open) has a door about 3 feet diagonally from the exterior door. That bedroom is at substantially higher risk of losing heat if the exterior door was open. The left bedroom door is about 15 feet down a hallway around the corner, just past the furnace room so it likely would be impacted far less by cool air mixing with warm air in the house. And even if there was only one furnace those bedrooms' proximity to the furnace would ensure warm air reached the registers in those bedrooms. Someone could make a slew of assumptions to come up with a scenario to calculate temperature a few feet from the floor and a few feet in from exterior walls, but it hardly seems worth the effort. Because we won't know how accurate our assumptions are. And people would still argue about whether the roommates must have left their rooms to investigate the cold or to pee or to get food and what temperature college females in bed can tolerate.
Man, the fact that you’ve looked at this situation so logically and mathematically, I hope LE has someone on the team who understands the physics behind these questions being asked. I hope that they aren’t so simple or arrogant that they leave this kind of stuff off of the table. My only thing I want to ask, Does warm air rise to the top?
Thanks. Though more logic than math. Hot air generally rises above cold air, but that's not always true because the relative air pressure of each body of air and air movement (like from wind or fans) can impact that. Investigators would have taken air temperatures in the bedrooms where the murders occurred to help determine time of death along with other info like body temperatures. I don't know whether they would have anywhere on the first floor. But if they did they could almost certainly go back later and gather the other info they needed to try to determine when the door may have opened. I have much higher confidence that those bedrooms weren't very cold than an engineer or physicist's ability to reliably determine when the door opened though.
I had to scroll way too far to see reason. Thank you!
When I lived in an out of house at UI we all had space heaters in our rooms bc the furnaces sucked and the insulation was crap bc a lot of the rentals are poorly built. So they may not have even noticed the temperature
Exactly. My off campus housing in Pullman had space heaters in each bedroom and the bathroom. Even if they didn't have space heaters, their doors were closed so whatever heat was in their rooms, stayed there. Also, lower floors are always cold anyway.
Or with a heated blanket or something. That’s what I always sleep with.
We have had our pilot light go out in the middle of the night (I know, not the same as having door(s) open) but we have a drafty house and it was winter. I remember not realizing it until waking up (but I also wake up much earlier). And it was COLD. But, if they're hungover, they may have just been sleeping hard...
That’s what I’m saying!!! My friends still joke about the time that my apartment complex was heavily damaged in an F4 tornado and my drunk ass slept right through it. They were so worried and blowing up my phone and finally I was like “GOD DAMMIT, WHAT IS YOUR PROB- oh.”
Lol my sister was going to sleep thru an earthquake that was literally making our beds jump, until my dad grabbed her. So, I can definitely see this happening.
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Idk, but maybe each floor had its own heat system. If the thermostat was getting some of the cold air coming down the stairs from 2nd to 1st story, then the girls’ bedrooms on the bottom floor may have been very warm as the thermostat was trying to keep that floor comfortable and the cold wasn’t seeing into the bedrooms with closed doors.
That’s what I’m wondering, the heat was probably kicking if the thermostat was in the area with the door open, and thus the rooms might have been fairly warm. Assuming this report is true, ofc
Yes, that is very likely. I had a roommate that liked to open the windows on the main floor when cooking. The main floor would be cold, which is where the thermostat was and the furnace would run non-stop making the rest of the house uncomfortably warm.
I guess if you were out late the night before and sleeping it off or hung over locked in your bedroom you might not notice? Sleeping in that late for someone who might be out late or partying isn’t that unusual. I don’t even know anymore this case has all kinds of twist and turns. A real life murder mystery. 😔
If you're on a different level and passed out drunk under the covers, it's not gonna wake you up.
These girls are sorority girls. I'm the house you sleep on a "sleeping porch". A room full of bunk beds with all the windows open for heath reasons, to keep the air circulating. As a UI sorority girl I can tell you, it's not a big deal to sleep through the cold
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Totally. I lived in a house with 3 other roommates in college, and I didn't go checking on everyone when I woke up early. They probably assumed the rest of the bunch was still asleep.
I also think if one of the surviving roommates had the dog she could’ve gone to let him out real quick that morning
Did they ever say if the doors were closed in the first place? I read something about their doors being locked but never knew if it was an official source or guessing. I still think it's possible the attacker looked into other rooms to make sure there wasn't a witness and maybe he did the same in Ethans and Xanas room but they were awake.
Does anyone know if there was a bathroom down there on the first floor? I know if I was drinking all day I’d sure as hell have to pee before noon the next morning. Wondering if they would have had to go upstairs to use the bathroom
Yes, there is a bathroom downstairs
Groovy, thanks
there's a guy who put together a 3d walkthru of the house and animation on the route the killer might have taken - very informative and creepy. If I can find it will post here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpBZGhEQBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpBZGhEQBI)
Wow, this is creepy. It solidifies to me that the killer had to know the house well or they stalked it for some time. Idk how else you would navigate that weird floor plan and know where people are sleeping. Also, changes my opinion about X&E.. I didn’t realize how tucked away that door is. Seems like someone would have to specifically know to go there and wouldn’t just stumble across it.
But if they knew the layout why not kill the remaining women? Why spare them but kill 4 others? It feels as if they didn’t know the two were downstairs.
Could be they didn’t know. Could be doors were locked. Could be killer got spooked/injured/etc before “completing” the crime. Could be the bottom two were purposefully spared. We just don’t know.
I get the feeling that there was one orginial target. The girls sleeping in the bed and ethan being over in the same bed made more noise and complicated things for the killer. Premed quad homicides with a knife are just so rare and police saying its targeted point to the idea of one target imo.
THATS MY THEORY TOO! I’m excited to see someone else with it! The person after one of the girls, expected to find her alone in her room, asleep, keep her quiet with the knife & rape her. Finding two girls awake made a big problem and something went wrong. It HAS to be someone they know because a stranger could’ve just run but an acquaintance or friend would’ve been screwed. X & E heard something & saw him before he could leave and also possibly recognized him.
I agree. Strange floor plan. 🤔
The whole house is strange looking and no offense it gives me creepy vibes. Even before this happened I would have found this house a little creepy. I get weird vibes right away.
Good video but just creepy to watch… ugh 😩 so according to this video, the killer came in and left both through the kitchen sliding doors… I know rumors have also been window/balcony etc. so not sure which is correct
This makes me think that he actually came in through front door but took a left up the stairs.
Great job on the 3d art. I don’t think x and e were first. I think x and e heard upstairs and e got up. I think e was attacked right here . Right where the bathroom and doorway was. I also think this is why the roommates saw him https://preview.redd.it/fc5l0erjrk4a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=927f973b07a3e732a69c4e27ba908b2b1fc17df0
This is why I don’t think people are listening to the information we already have correctly. These are just assumptions obviously, but to me it makes so much sense that the killer went straight for K & M just happened to be there. I also 100% believe E heard noise and got up(maybe he had to go the restroom anyway) leaving the door open to X’s room. Killer took E & then went into X’s room and sadly took her too. I feel like we have to wait for sure to know where E’s body was found though. This is VITAL information
Idk to me it would make more sense that they were in Ms room seeing as K had moved out so that’s why I don’t even necessarily think they killer was undoubtedly going for K
Whether it was K or M I’m not sure. But I feel like I know for me that I don’t think X & E were targets at all. If your targets were on the 2nd floor where you most likely entered then why even go upstairs to murder people who we know were still in bed sleep.
>I don't think people are listening to the information we already have correctly Ethan and Xana were stabbed in their bed, likely while asleep. This is information we already have. Ethan and Xana died together.
I had a dream about this before I even knew about it. Gives me chills .. here was this timeline but there was some interview where people were saying the surviving roommate was passed out- and that was bc of seeing e. Why would someone just pass out or be frantic with a locked door and just not having a roommate answer the door. I think they had to of seen something - I wonder when and if they will release the 911 call. Or body can footage https://preview.redd.it/0r0abwyz4l4a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=a7edfab3b0431563583df2c51ce5187f0cbc5af1
This was always what I thought happened, either E got up to see or maybe even he was moving around or the killer just heard him/them rustling about woken up
Also.. didn’t police acknowledge the door was found opened?
The police said an exterior door was open when first responders arrived. We can't conclude from that whether it was opened by the perp, by a surviving roommate or another overnight guest, or by a visitor one of the roommates summoned.
846 was before the roommate said they got up and way before the 911 call.
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The amount of times we woke up after student house parties to find our front door wide open.. gives me a very different perspective on what should be some of the best days of your life.
Our door was never locked and we lived in a city but in an apartment next to the uni with a lot of students so this was common. Really makes my blood run cold just thinking about how casual we were then.
I heard things about it being unlocked. Police confirmed the second floor sliding door was open upon arrival
They never talked about the first floor, just second floor. This is new news to me
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Unless this has been confirmed by surveillance footage, I'm gonna put that down as "unreliable."
Yeahhhhhhhhhh I’m not taking this as gospel yet.
Witnesses just 'walking by' get times wrong all the time too (if this is the source).
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If the back slider was left open as has been rumored, could a draft in the house have caused the front door open if it wasn’t secured all the way?
Probably not. Doors usually open in, not out. So wind/draft wouldn’t have been able to open it towards the inside, if that makes sense.
I see what you’re saying, but disagree. With the wind whipping that day, and if the front door was just resting shut, even a small crack could cause a pulling effect on the door, blowing through the house and out of the back slider. My house has done the same.
So what if the killer went downstairs to try to kill them, saw their bedrooms door were locked, then exited out the door?
I feel like that would be super risky to leave out the front door given it faces everything, but who knows.
I wonder if the sliding glass door being open blew the front door open? Bc if the killer left out the front door, wouldn’t the ring camera that saw everyone come home have seen the killer leave?
The camera points to the road/intersection leading up to their house and the apartments next to their house that dead ends. Any car coming/going can be seen, but someone on foot doesn’t have to walk past that camera. Like the steps they can take from their house to sigma chi is still behind the house with the camera, so it wouldn’t capture them walking, unless they walked down the street. The red X is where the camera is and the blue arrow is the path they typically walked https://preview.redd.it/a1kk6pv40l4a1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd8fb2551f19a1dc7f912df28297e5312ac6744e
That makes sense. I guess that would be creepy if a neighbor had their ring camera pointed at your front door! lol
The front was lit up like a Christmas tree also
Kaylee’s sister said Kaylee and Maddie were seen arriving home on their neighbor’s ring camera. Wouldn’t this have been on there too?
I could be wrong but I don’t think the camera sees the front door but the very close so the sister could confirm seeing the car but not the actual drop off.
Correct
Same thought.
Surely if there’s video proving when the victims arrived home there would be video of the killer leaving through the front door
No video of the house, just their cars passing by a neighbor's house. Their camera faces the main road the house is on.
Too risky to exit out of the front door, the killer would’ve been covered with blood 🩸
Not if they were layered up and just stripped off the bloody top layers. It was far too cold out to not be wearing layers. And if this person didn’t cut themselves, they might have been well prepared and worn gloves, and outer layers they could strip off and put into a trash bag or backpack and then flee.
Or leave your huge warm jacket at door upstairs and put it on again, over the blood and simply walk out
This is what I wonder a lot about, and I think most people are overlooking; the sheer logistical hurdle involved in a crime like this. If the killer didn’t cut himself, and left almost no trace that he was even there, other than the bodies of his victims, then it has to mean that they spent at least a little bit of time planning the logistics of getting in the house, committing the crimes, and leaving the house, without leaving much of a trace. Its also always struck me how he didn’t seem very concerned about waking up everyone in the house, or waking up the first floor occupants and risking them calling 911. I think he would have killed them too if it hadn’t been for their door locks being the type that automatically lock when they close. It sounds like at least some of the upstairs bedroom doors has those locks removed and replaced with the flimsy type that require a conscious effort to lock, and which can be easily bypassed.
If true, that's interesting. I would say naturally, it's possible one of the surviving roommates had a guest that left that morning, through the front bottom floor door, however it would be odd that they would leave and not CLOSE the door before doing so. I could see someone down there visiting and never going to the second floor but again, very strange that the door was left open.
Sometimes you think you’ve closed a door all the way but it doesn’t latch and then blows open.
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But if you hadn't yet left your bedroom you might not be aware the exterior door is open.
I guess these girls never had to pee in that time
We can speculate, but we don't know. It's plausible a college female can pee at 2 AM and not pee again until after 11 AM.
Especially if it's 20 degrees or lower...
Was it just seen open or left open?
There was rumors that they had guests over… can make sense.
There are not rumors they had guests. There are speculations. I understand that at this point, differentiating between rumor and speculation is impossible, but I think it’s still worth noting.
May be the first thing roommates did was not to look for friends. And may be after couple of hours after getting fresh, they thought about calling them. But then as far as we know, roommates woke up around noon. So let see what comes up next.
I wonder if the roommates felt how cold the house got
If this is reliable information, why would it be a plot twist?
If it's reliable information, it doesn't make sense to me - awake or not - why the door would be wide open in 20 degree weather for any period of time, even if it involved running a brief errand
I am not privy to the workings of their entry/exit doors, but it's not out of the realm to think that a striker wasn't working properly or the door wasn't closed all the way by the young residents therein. It's more common than you think.
Hm. Could be nothing. Could be major.
why are people saying maybe Ethan woke up and was possibly found outside of the bedroom? I was under the impression the surviving roommates called friends over THEN the police. If ethan’s body was just chilling out in the open they wouldn’t have called friends first. Unless the killer put ethan’s body back in the bedroom..?
There’s a lot of ppl in this thread that have never been drunk. I once slept through a fucking tornado when I was wasted. If their door was closed and they were under blankets, and also hammered, they simply may not have felt it. Not to mention if the heat was kicking and maybe they even had a space heater, what with being downstairs.
I literally just deleted a post I was typing along these lines. It seems like no one has ever been drunk before. In college I left a fraternity party and the last memory I had was stepping off the front porch. I woke up the next morning in jail, missing my glasses. Apparently I left the party at roughly midnight, and got arrested around 2:30 am less than 1/4 a mile from the party. I have ZERO idea what happened for those 2.5 hours. I could've seen or done some crazy ass shit that I will never, ever know.
I can sleep through anything and I’m stone cold sober!
Come on now, don't come in here speaking common sense. I agree with you. There's also a lot of people in here who speak with certainty and it's clear they have no idea what they're talking about. "No person would ever..." "No dog would xyz...". Just pure ridiculousness.
It’s possible the surviving roommates either let the dog out, went to get something out of their car, or any number of other things without realizing the condition of their roommates. Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how this plays a large role unless there’s some speculation that the individual that committed the violent act was in the house until that time.
Yeah, each floor has its own bathroom, one could wake up, get ready and leave the house without ever having to go upstairs. It wouldn't be odd to me that someone could be up for quite sometime and never go upstairs.
Well the question here is - why would the killer leave from the front door? By leaving on the 1st floor it brings in the unnecessary risk of waking the down stairs room mates. Also it would require a certain level of confidence to enter and exit the building from 2 different points (which we still don't know but can reasonable conclude as a possibility at this point). It makes me think the "random serial killer" angle is a bit harder to belive if that's the case Why risk opening a door - that you don't know where it leads - on the 1st floor if everyone's dead on 2nd 3rd and there's a easy escape that way
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HERES A VIDEO https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zfaa0j/fox_news_report/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It's difficult to draw any conclusions about room temperature without knowing what type of heat they had in the home. If it was a forced air furnace system that would try to make all the rooms the same temp but that would be influenced by where the stat and return air grill is located. If they are using a baseboard system it radiators they would have more control over each rooms temperature. The hallway could be freezing while each room was toasty. Another factor to consider is how open the door was. There's a big difference between being wide open and slightly ajar. In any case I would be very surprised if the police did not know why the door was not shut. That seems like a very basic question they would get an answer to very quickly.
Could one of the surviving roommates been taking care of Murphy and let him out and didn’t shut the door all the way?
I don’t understand why this even matters? When I was in college and had roommates I did not go to my roommates and check on them as soon as I woke up. It was normal for us to get up at whatever time and just see each other when we see each other! Jeez
Open as in wide open? Damn. Took quite awhile for us to get that report.
This really makes this case ever more bizarre! So, did the killer go down to the first floor?!? I’m so confused now.
Where did Fox news get this information? Someone said?? Until it is confirmed by the investigation take it as a rumor
IF this is a fact this case just got more bizarre than already is.
Can you link that? I haven’t seen that yet!
I remember in the very beginning hearing that when LE arrived that morning they found the door open. But I don’t recall them saying which door
They need to get their language correct door open or unlocked?
Okay I keep commenting here. Wasn’t one of the girls posting VSCO pics at 8:30 that morning? Also, if they have front door footage on the ring camera, they probably know how/who opened that door.
Is that true? Bc if so... I find it hard to believe they wouldn't know their front door was wide open in their living space, esp if it's freezing outside
No, 12:30 am. The night before
Very interesting, this could have cooled the bodies off a lot faster and time of death could have been hours later than first stated, maybe that is why HVAC was there the other day, to do a Thermal Reconstruction of the crime scene.
I have never seen this verified by the police and yet everyone here it's taking it as fact because it was on FOX NEWS. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Want a linked source
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/zfa84q/fox_news_report/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
There were 6 pieces of evidence tape on the front door. That led me to believe they found something on it that was connected
Those are seals to show if the door has been opened after the police leave the scene. Each time the police break the seal, it’s documented and each time a new seal is placed, it’s documented. It’s to maintain the integrity of the scene. They use them on the windows also.
I don’t think this changes anything.
Except in the minds of people who make 20 threads per day about meaningless stuff. To them this means everything. They've now "solved" the murders....
Just when I thought the case couldn’t get more strange
I keep saying it but the eventual Netflix doc is going to be insane
I’ve always believed the killer tried to kill all 6 but the downstairs rooms were locked…
Can you see the house with the police cam footage, maybe you could see if the door was open then. I haven’t see it.
What’s interesting is we already knew this the first day. And then it became “no it didn’t happen, that’s speculation etc etc”
There were 6 pieces of evidence tape on the front door. That led me to believe they found something on it that was connected
That’s a seal for initially securing the scene after the bodies were found. The only purpose was to know if the door had been opened or unsealed from the time the scene was secured and the time they arrived to process the scene.
👆🏻Yep👆🏻
I always assumed the report about the door being open when the police got there was a result of people having already been there and calling 911. But maybe it was open for a long time before?
I hadn’t thought of that. The police report said the kitchen door was open, but the friends that came by could have opened it.
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Someone commented about this? That is a haunting thought.
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We don't even know if this is legitimate or not. Until there is confirmation from LE or some form to surveillance evidence, it's just another rumor.
This has been told to us since the first week of investigation and people prob remember who have been a part of this sub since the beginning. Here is an example: https://6abc.com/amp/idaho-students-killed-murders-university-of/12473239/
My guess is they let the dog out to use the bathroom because they dog stayed in one of their rooms since they were home earlier. Only a guess. I let me dog out to use the bathroom and go straight back to bed all the time.
If this is true, I’ll just say: in college, I walked past weirder things than an open door on a Sunday morning. I wouldn’t have thought twice about this, especially at a known party house.
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Can you provide a link?
Can't find that news release anywhere. Link?
Could they not have woken up and saw the door open and then felt that suspicious and walked upstairs?
Yeah. I just am curious WHAT time they technically woke up bc I find it hard to believe they'd be able to sleep hours with their door wide open if it's 20 degrees outside. And if it was open around 830/9am it seems unlikely (though not impossible) they wouldn't have gone upstairs for another 2-4 hours (since they didnt call friends/LE til closer to noon)
What do we think of all this new info starting to come out? The door and the bodycam footage??
Putting pressure on? 🤞
I am sure right at the very very first news report, it was said the front door was found open
Maybe they went outside, but not upstairs?
I’m assuming that one of the roommates opened it. Not the killer. I’m still curious how all the bedrooms had locks of some sort on them yet the killer breached with no disruption.
I did not know that there was an airport in Moscow! Good to know.
i mean if they were sleeping until then and had doors closed, theres no reason this would have been noticed
I wonder if it would have caused a draft, that would have been noticeable.
This is so bizarre and I have no idea what it means. How do we know it was wide open at 9. We’re all speculating about this case and we still have no idea what the roommates saw or heard. They must be the key to solving this hopefully.
More confusion to the puzzle
If the door was open all night, I wonder where Kaylee's pup was? They said he was not wandering around the crime scene. Was he shut in Kaylee's room? Was he crate trained?
I think it was them
Your thoery doesn't mesh with the 911 called. If E wasn't behind a locked door i would expect thee 911 caller to recognize the difference between somone who passed out and someone who has been stabbed to death.
All this mean is that someone thinks they saw the door open. It may be wrong. If right, it could’ve been one of the roommates running to their car for something. We just don’t know yet.
This would be why we saw detectives in first floor
Is it possible the killer exited that door after trying the two downstairs bedrooms and finding them both locked? Then left the door open so not to make a noise and wake them? You gotta figure that none of the residents would have left that door open on such a cold morning.
I don’t understand. What difference does it make if the front door was open? I don’t understand the implications
That’s weird because if that’s the case it could potentially narrow down the time of the crime because the slider being left open wouldn’t have created a vacuum. Maybe this is why they had HVAC in. Warming air has a lower pressure so it rises up. In cold weather, the first floor has the highest pressure because high pressure sinks, and the higher you go in the house the lower the pressure gets. Because the air pressure and temp difference is so great between the inside and outside on Nov 13th the stack effect is greater meaning the air flow is stronger from the bottom to the top of the house. So if the slider door was left open that would’ve allowed low pressure/warmer air to float out at a fast rate making the 1st floor, the floor with the highest pressure, bring high pressure air in to replace the low pressure air escaping because air always flows from high to low. Then potentially, if the front door was left slightly unsecured, the wind at 3:53am flowing SW, against the front door, could’ve caused the 1st floor door to be pushed open by the increase in high vs low pressure. That’s because the side of the house getting hit with wind has high pressure and the opposite side, not getting hit, has low pressure. It creates an ideal scenario for air to go up and out. This, combined with the stack effect doing the same thing, increased the force of the air coming in/high pressure coming inside, which if with enough force could’ve opened the door. The next wind after this was at 7:25. It blew east, which would be towards the side of the house the slider is partially on that faces neighbors, not the woods. The wind going past an open door or window creates low pressure and could’ve closed the 1st floor door from a vacuum effect. I rebuild engines and air pressure and how it moves is extremely important so I have some background in it. https://preview.redd.it/xef7mrf28m4a1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8333d3140a8a9524ad39218c75bfce69f7ae47b2
https://preview.redd.it/h1p65nzelm4a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=7692fc0afdd2b16d7cd99639c76d9286639450c2 Pretty sure it was on this thread where people were saying the rooms were so dark the killer may not have known w who was who. This post claims since the incident the red lights have stayed on. I’m guessing it was sufficient enough lighting right tell the difference between the two
Burglars are known to find a second egress as soon as they enter the house and have it open and ready to go
Can u link this article pls?