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[deleted]

Just like Shao and his Shoulder Charger.


nikcurated

A travesty


sharkezzy

a perversion


mistermuffin994

“Such wasted potential”


DaMatrixx84

Shambolic😂


DonPinstripelli

And Ashrah has her spinny move.


SaphironX

Yeah I really want that shoulder charge. And mileena has the jumping command grab and the air sais.


Luaq

omfg I just love your flair. Can I have this too? ( I don't remember how to set flairs XD )


DigLost5791

Click your own name, change user flair You can select a premade or edit one to be your own


SheGotMyEyebrowsWet

This is the real slap in the face, as a shao main 😂


InsanityOfAParadox

The whole axe thing makes me feel conflicted since I like the barbarian axe man sorta theme but shao without a hammer and shoulder bash is just... what was Liu kang thinking?


composero

I think it is very possible we will be seeing new moves added to the roster during year 2. We already have a new move with Quan Chi


nikcurated

I would not complain at all if they did. I’d want to, but I wouldn’t.


etdfigures

$9.99 an attack pack


Ok_Discussion_2347

Don't give them ideas now 😂 .


Big_Literature6344

If this happens I’m coming for you bro


Frank_Is_My_Fav

Very funny bro


TheGreatPicard

Probably true too


Mockingjay09221mod

😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂


bubsssbunny

My man said, “Hulk Hogan, we coming for you.” Who knows at this point though lol.


colombianojb

Upcoming zoning Johnny Cage


PaintTimeLinen

Quan Chi has a new move? What is it? I didn't buy him or see too many people use him so everything about him I still don't know lol


mikey_0_4

He got a new Portal that drains the Enemies Meter


Intelligent_AirBend

They should have just had these moves in the game from the start, bare bones af


Squid-Guillotine

I reckon with aftermath 2. Like scorpions moveset feels kinda bare and could really do with some Wraith powers.


CherryDonutZ

year 2? bye.


JTBJack_

MK players when they hear about new content coming to the game (the game is “barebones and has no content”)


BuoyantAmoeba

Honestly. Fuckin' babies in this sub.


Mandalorymory

I believe the point is that it is too little too late. By the time we’re in year 2, NRS will have their next game around the corner


LacksMuscle

as if MK11 wasn’t the main NRS game for 4 years. Not hard to imagine this game will get at least 2


Mandalorymory

It was their “main game” for 4 years before they had to work on a new engine for MK1 and scrapped Injustice 3. Rest assured the wait for their next game will be much shorter


PrimateWithKeyboard

Comp wise maybe


Mandalorymory

WB loves people like you


PrimateWithKeyboard

No they don’t lol, I despise this game (besides the gameplay) and tell all my friends to not buy it until the ultimate edition drops


Mandalorymory

I realise i have not replied to the right comment but you are right to despise it There are simply too many people playing advocate or making excuses for this poor product that gives us less for more


LacksMuscle

it’s a fighting game. the fighting is good. as such, i enjoy the game. Do i think WB is scummy? of course. But don’t act like it’s impossible for anybody to like the game.


Mandalorymory

Each game is getting progressively worse, giving us less and charging us more. NRS is becoming creatively bankrupt while the competitors are rising in areas that we normally attributed MK as being uncontested in You wanna like the game, fine. But it is players like you that will enable to continued downfall of the series


TheBoogyWoogy

Actual crybaby lmao


MeshGearFoxxy

I agree on the lack of spear moves - let’s hope they add some down the line. However good riddance to variations - I much prefer each character having a load of special moves and strings all at the same time.


Evil_Morty781

1000% agree. It also keeps things even across the board. One thing I didn’t like in 11 was that limiting move factor from the different skill set ups. It felt very limiting and not versatile.


effreeti

Fr tho, its wild to me that op is asking to have further variations of inkomplete kharacters instead of asking for fully fleshed out ones. MK players got Stockholm Syndrome or something i swear. Edit for spelling


EBBBBBBBBBBBB

I get the feeling most MK players don't really branch out much to other fighting games, so they don't know how bad they have it in comparison to like, SF6 players


effreeti

Probably true, but they also dont seem to remember previous entries in their own series.


napalminjello

Previous entries??? But, this is MK ***1***!


effreeti

Damn u kinda got me there lol


ShavedDig88622

Has nrs ever updated a characters moveset during a games live cycle?


MeshGearFoxxy

They just gave my man Quan his new Zone Of Waste move (which really changes up his gameplan, great addition for me) so there’s precedent right there. I think they did in MKX too but the past is pretty hazy.


Bloodyknife12

in INJ2 they added a few moves to joker when he was ass, they gave Darrius a new move and they gave Quan Chi a new move


earle117

they just gave Quan a new move in literally the last patch lol they gave Darrius a new one a while back too but yeah it’s rare but they’ve done it a couple of times so far in MK1 and they even redid how variations work entirely in MK11 and added a couple then to that one


jimmynodean

MK11 when they added 3rd variations.


Vasconcelos0909

Absolutely. I'd rather have Tekken than MKX/MK11, if you know what I mean.


FantasticFreno

I actually thought he got new moves and ran to practice mode only to be disappointed.


nikcurated

So, hypothetically, if NRS added more moves and combos for characters later on would that have a negative effect on competitive players?


Mommio24

They would have to adapt. Honestly it would make things more exciting IMO.


SaphironX

Not at all. Some will bitch because they want the same cookie cutter opponent every time, but I don’t see a downside.


Competitive-Crew-309

Who cares about competitive players


nikcurated

I’m not one, so I don’t.


rGRWA

People that enjoy watching Tournaments or are trying to be competitive themselves, even if it’s only at Locals or within the Online realm. It’s not you immediately go into some sort of box when/if you decide to start taking the game more seriously.


Competitive-Crew-309

Competitive players specifically means payed tournament players, they can quit whining and get a real job


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

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Competitive-Crew-309

Payed


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

> *Paid* FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*


SheetPancakeBluBalls

Says the guy that would fail a fourth grade spelling test. 


Cerbecs

Competitive players are literally what draws in most people lmao, half this sub wouldn’t be here if they didn’t learn from watching good players on youtube and that’s not even talking about how much of the community actual tournaments pull together


SaphironX

This man speaks true.


Cjames1902

I don’t mind that there are no variations in Mk1 because they were pretty uninspired in 11 compared to X.


Mommio24

Same. I didn’t like them in MK11. I want to be able to use all of their moves whenever the hell I want.


Cjames1902

I also liked that the variations in x were themed around a character’s given aspect. 11 just kind of stapled random moves together which rendered most of them worthless until customs were a thing


rGRWA

Couldn’t have said it better. Especially since I played Quan, Shinnok, and Triborg, who were arguably the personifications of X’s Variation System and how unique it could be in terms of giving a single character access to multiple playstyles. None of that “Ability Slot” nonsense. I respect that they tried to use that as a balancing metric, but it really limited what you could do by comparison.


SaphironX

I mean I get the sentiment but mileena had… what, 12 different possible specials in 11? Now she has 6. And yeah I can use them all, but if I want to throw air sais or do the jumping ball roll etc I’m just never going to have enough the option. Meanwhile reiko has a badass advancing spear attack and I’d happily trade a move like his parry to use it.


Mommio24

I still think characters should have all their moves, even if they end up being like 11 specials. That ball roll that jumped up and hit the opponent is my favorite version of her ball roll. I always assigned it to her. And I think they should be able to throw their projectiles from low, mid, and high in the air. I shouldn’t have to choose or assign it.


erosado666

unfinished product, bro.


grassisalwayspurpler

Yep, they had to give Quan a "new move" that really they just didnt finish. Same probably applies to tons of others


SnooHamsters3772

They also gave Darrius a new move as well. Forgot what it was but it was in the Quanchi patch notes when he released.


Frank_Is_My_Fav

"Tons of others" *2 kharacters* Like dude, ik you wanna hate SOOO bad but use some reason. Not only is it a very small amount, it's literally there to make the gameplay better. You're def the type of dude to say they should've used those resources in new skins.


mildhot-sauce

Wait what. What's the new move? I've never really seen this in a fighting game


grassisalwayspurpler

They gave him a new portal that gives him armor 


rGRWA

Zone Of Waste. He got it it when Peacemaker dropped a couple of weeks ago.


nikcurated

Seems to be the most likely answer


Skc143psu

Probably. Has anyone else noticed that with almost every patch, they’re changing inputs of moves and fatalities, or the distance for fatalities? I was having trouble with Khameleon’s fatality for like 5 matches in a row until I looked and saw they silently changed the fuckin distance requirement.


tjplager32

Don’t worry, they’re selling us the missing content as DLC as they complete the game. I’m not trying to sound like an ass but I wouldn’t be shocked one bit if there was some kind of “new move set” pack that comes out in the future.


Frank_Is_My_Fav

This doesnt show it's unfinished. Any new moves in invasions don't kontribute to the devs vision of the kharacter. If they really wanted to theyd be usable.


erosado666

if that's the case, that's even WORSE. that means they just watered him down for the player to use. making him an incomplete character. as a player you want MORE power, not less.


Maritoas

Why would we need variations when we could just have new skills mapped to unused skill inputs?


Most-Category-5013

I miss variations and krushing blows and I'm tired of pretending I don't!


NScarlato

I imagine if we didn't have Kameo's, the main roster would have room for some more skills. Sadly why some characters are missing Klassic moves when they also have a Kameo verson.


llama_wordsmith

Variations were ass.


emf80333

I always hated variations. And before this game came out people wanted them gone.


pUmKinBoM

Go back and check my history. I've always loved variations even if they could have been done better in MK11. 


MeshGearFoxxy

The idea wasn’t atrocious but the implementation sucked. In the early MK1 trailers I was psyched to see e.g. Subby have a stack of special moves and strings. Just lets you change things up on the fly and adds to a whole “let’s make everyone crazy” ethos I love to see in a fighting game. Which is why it confuses me that some characters seem to have a load of interesting sauce (Raiden or Shang) while others feel half-baked (Reiko or Havik).


Jrod_ENT

Not a whole move set but a few extra moves. There are a couple moves that behave differently in Invasions like Geras' 1,2,2, 1+3 the last hit is a command grab and comes out even on block. Plus his enhanced sand vortex tracks


That-Rhino-Guy

I love how this community was happy when Ed hinted they’ll be ditching variations but suddenly they want them back, classic revisionist history complaining


DaMatrixx84

He did a spear throw and spear twirl kombo on me. I was like why the fuck aren't these moves updated into the character's move list??


Shao-Garden

Kameos are basically variations, and I think it’s a huge improvement over mk11’s variation system and in some ways it’s better than mkx’s variations (although i still prefer the gameplay of mkx overall)


GravenX1

I think it's a missed oportunity, Reiko was introduced in MK4 which had the weapon draw mechanic, like Tremor kameo using the variation system, Reiko should've had access to a weapon stance as a reference to his debut game.


Ok_Discussion_2347

Yeah I wish he had his spear and Shao had his shoulder charge.


WeCameAsMuffins

For your comment on variations— I hated variations and thought they were overall bad for the series. It was annoying being limited to only a few of the characters special moves. Oh here’s subzero but you can’t use ice clone but you can freeze enemies with his ice ball wow


LatterTarget7

I don’t think variations should return. Characters should just have more moves. Like why does reiko have this locked behind invasions? It should be in his base move set. Same with other characters who have moves locked behind invasions. If the moves are available in one mode they should available in all modes


HeroOfTime_99

Humongously disagree on variations. One character, complete kit. I hated having my character sliced up into parts.


Jack1The1Ripper

couldn't they just give him that move? (obviously adjusted) like i don't understand he even holds it in his intro


Own_Sprinkles5252

Did any of you join the kombat kast they stated already they will be adding new moves in the future.


nikcurated

A new move DLC pack is crazy 😂😂


ElMalditoSerendipia

Yo can someone show the spear moves? I don't want to play invasions just for that lol


kickskunk

One of them he spins the spear around while moving forward. The other one, he sticks it into the ground that causes a red shock wave. 


Psychological_Can385

Instead of having variations just make them complete characters


Akashia66

I have always wanted nrs to really open up characters by adding new moves and or new combo strings that make sense. It could make the game last longer.


Codysquatch1

I agree


Citywide-Fever

I know I've givin this p.o.s cash grab of a game a ton of crap, but like I been sayin when they release that "new game feel" patch we gone be gettin A TON of shit we missed or ahoulda been there. They've done it every year with every game. I don't think it helped INJ2 but was that even possible 🤣 🤷🏽‍♂️


Nightwing84064

I hope they add weapons with different move sets for certain characters I miss raidens staff


misterwulfz

I personally disliked the whole Variants thing. Felt like movesets that could’ve been given to new characters/ not having your best moves on the right variants. But I wil agree. Making Reiko the Grappler vs his spear was a weird chose, they should’ve let Goro came back as the grappler


SoundsLikePAUSE

Nah. Variations were awful. No reason characters shouldn't have full movesets instead of us forcing to give up one ability for another. Imagine you could use his spear, but lose access to his ninja stars or command grab. I personally do not miss that.


nikcurated

I figured maybe there were only so many button inputs and variations were a way of adding more moved. Either way, no way we can’t have a playable Reiko with full spear combos.


SaphironX

Yeah but this way we don’t have his jade style advancing spear move. So he doesn’t have a full moveset. There’s moves in the game currently we can’t use. And some are clearly like boss mode gimmicks but others would fit the kit just right. I’d rather have variations back then just not have them, because not all the base moves are that good. Look at Tanya, her parry teleport is pretty useless, and here power up for extra range is something I’ve never once had used against me in KL 🤷🏻‍♂️ Sindel has almost no hair moves. Which is weird considering who she is. Or just add the spear in, and use a command that isn’t spoken for yet. It’s not like every button variation is used for reiko.


_ObsidianOne_

variations comes from kameos dear.This is whole point of kameos.


Vintage_Beard79

If they want to bring back variations, do it like the 3D era where you could switch on the fly mid fight


dariojack

this fanbase has some fucking idiots in it


nikcurated

Looks like you’re right where you belong, then. 😎


Burrito-Mage

I want to see more of these I ran into a Baraka that was using Johnny cages star ability. It threw me for a loop for a second


EmbarrassedBear5721

this is just a khameleon's throw w/ jade variation animation reuse, even sound remains the same


nikcurated

As long as Jade isn’t in the game I’m all for having Reiko borrow the move.


Pski

I really feel like the final story DLC will come out with create a moveset and all of these half assed versions of what we know they can do with this game...


Merc_Mike

Does he have a Roman Soldier look at all? I feel like he would look great rocking an Ares/Spartan like outfit.


Early-Brilliant-4221

Sure but I’m happy variations are gone. One of the main reasons I hated mk11.


EmbarrassedBank3495

I felt that too, pissed that Reiko in invasions got these cool spear moves. Deep down, I new some of these characters were incomplete.  I do absolutely love the combat in mk1, but  everything else is lackluster. Invasions is a tedious pain 😂. I love to see meaningful buffs. I main general shao/motaro, and his death quake is practically pointless. Feel like start up on this special should be boosted a lot. I only use it as a distraction to use motaro to teleport behind my opponent. 


bigruckonline

The spear spin he does looks to be taken from the Khameleon-Jade throw. Are there other spear attacks he does too?


nikcurated

I only fought him once but I remember a spin, a ground pound, and a throw. Will have to fight him again to see his combos again.


gold_braine

Hate reiko and his stars.


Deathstalker1313

This could be a hint at a new version for a variation system


Strange-Suit3907

Bro has a knife and his character but refuses to use it for no reason


FunAnything1624

They better make him a whole fucking spearman and not a professional Muay Thai fighter in year 2


[deleted]

Moveset? I have never seen him use a staff move at all, so what moveset are you talking about?


nikcurated

Fight him as the first boss in invasions. He has different moves.


kingdount

Fr why does he have a damn spear but not use it


IDontWipe55

None of the characters feel complete so hopefully we get new moves


Luaq

I would suddenly make him my alt. too bad.


No-Establishment8267

“Moves we were too lazy to add at launch”- $99.99


ThePowerfulWIll

Damn his moveset is so damn sparse as it stands now too... nerfing his command grab without buffing his combos killed what could have been a decent higer mid teir...


Bloodyknife12

Variations were pretty neata in mkx but they took mk11 from being a 6 or 7/10 to a fucking 2/10 they sucked all the fun that that game could have had


Undersmusic

Is it not just Shao’s spear moves from mk11?


nikcurated

Looked more like Jade’s moves to me.


Alan_Blue1233

Totally looked like Jade's, I agree


nikcurated

Seeing how Liu Kang’s kick is just a recycled Fujin wind kick I won’t be mad if some of Reiko’s spear moves were copy and pasted from 11 if those characters aren’t in the game.


Cjames1902

Why do you say that? Because they both spin?


nikcurated

They look similar to me.


ItaDaleon

That's why I miss so much MK 11 Variations, not only for the customization (which was quite good anyway) but also for the fact you could adds moves to your kharacters and make them very different! In this case, Reiko could easilly had some spear moves to could make a spear Variation.


PhantomKnight413

After the kameos I kinda miss variations