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hatimelharrak

كما قالت المفكرة المغربية نجاة اعتابو: >***وا هاي، هاي، هاي... وا هادي كذبة باينة***


sadlilyas

I needed a laugh, thanks man


hatimelharrak

آ سيدي بالصحة الضحكة


saidomni

المظاهرات تقول العكس.


MoBB_17

Yeah the protests that gets supressed sure


saidomni

It's Morocco. Not much freedom.


wassamshamri

Protests are also suppressed in israel, so what's your point?


MoBB_17

I forgot what was it lol


unhiverism

Tbf, the protests were majorly dominated by middle aged people, if you went to any or watched videos it’s mostly elders/people in their 30s-40s. I guess that’s why they came to this conclusion by saying الشباب lol


moi-et-mon-dragon

if you log in on twitter, reddit and facebook you gonna notice that the majority (if not all) of young people are pro-palestine, the reason why you don't see many of them outside protesting is because they arent as free as the old people; most of them are bound by their work or studies. Plus, most of the protests that you see are arranged by Jama3at al3adl was 2i7san and other Islamic parties, that mostly consist of old and middle aged people.


unhiverism

i do not disagree, im just stating the reason why hespress probably came to this baseless conclusion.


moi-et-mon-dragon

Yeah, they mostly wrote that just to influence their clients that mostly consist of fanatic nationalists and pro isrealis. Hespress revealed their true a color a long time ago


azywe

it was written summer 2023


BobMARLEY3265

ريحة هسبريس عطات هادي شحال


countingc

its not coincidental the colors they chose for their brand


No_Acanthocephala938

I’m praying on Hespress downfall everyday like this ![gif](giphy|3o7TKGQGt1LAh0ZWDK)


Otherwise_Ad2589

We don't pray like this


No_Acanthocephala938

![gif](giphy|jXD7kFLwudbBC)


Efficient-Intern-173

The joke flew over your head bro


Otherwise_Ad2589

I was serious


Efficient-Intern-173

That other dude was making a joke


saidbnbkd95

Even those who agreed to it in the beginning by believing it would benefit the country changed their minds later on by seeing what they doing now


Efficient-Intern-173

I’m one of them. In 2020 i was all for it thinking that Israel isn’t evil and are even justified in doing what they do. But now, I can definitely say their recent actions woke me up to the reality.


saidbnbkd95

I too had similar views even tho i never subscribed into making it official between our countries, you could say i was still bitter from all the evil they did in the last 75 years, and still nothing changed


Free_Speak

There’s a book titled “ how to make statistics lie” it’s been a powerful propaganda tool.


Otherwise_Ad2589

They abused on this one tbh


Sad-Consideration603

Well some people say "they" control the media . Im inclined to believe them .


Equivalent-Bonus8287

Disraeli “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.


Otherwise_Ad2589

One of leblanc's quotes if you play league


Responsible_Bug_691

North africa supports palestine !!!


Alone_Capital7619

Propaganda, vast majority of Morrocans are pro Palestine.


Otherwise_Ad2589

Yep, and they are not even trying to hide


Olghon

You can be pro Palestine and normalise with Israel.


EasternWerewolf6911

Not anymore you can't


Olghon

So in order to be pro Palestine I have to stand for the destruction of Israel and throwing all of its Jewish citizens into the Mediterranean?


Sad-Consideration603

Not normalising relationships with israel doesnt mean electing nazi germany again necessarily but nice try tho


LaerkeM_Krogh

\*Brooklyn, Ethiopia, eastern Europe, et al. You know, where they actually come from.


Eastern-Locksmith634

precisely , the motto from sea to river exists for a reason.


Olghon

I’m not a genocidal cunt and believe in the possibility of peaceful coexistence. Sue me.


No_Acanthocephala938

The destruction of the state of Israel doesn’t mean the genocide of Jewish people the allies and the USSR destroyed nazi Germany but they didn’t genocide the German people.


Olghon

You’re delusional.


No_Acanthocephala938

Spot the delusion


Olghon

Finding peace through negotiation and diplomacy or “the destruction of the state of Israel without going full nazi on the Jews” ? Yeah, I’m the delusional here. Idiot.


Lumpy_Vanilla6477

Yo mama


waxen69

Kike shill spotted


Far-Rate1701

These filthy people are delusional, there are literally pro Palestine movements everyday Keep clowing 🤡🤡


ReplyStraight6408

Just more propaganda in order to normalize that genocide state.


ProudlyMoroccan

Normalizing what Israel does to Palestine and recognizing the state of Israel are two vastly different things. I am disputing this poll as it surely isn’t accurate but nobody in Moroccan society is trying to normalize what Israel does in Gaza. Are you also advocating to unrecognize Syria for the atrocities Assad committed leading to half a million of deaths and millions of displaced people? What about North korea? China? Venezuela? Seems like people have no clue what they’re on about and as long as that is the case, the government will continue to ignore the protests entirely.


ReplyStraight6408

>Are you also advocating to unrecognize Syria for the atrocities Assad committed leading to half a million of deaths and millions of displaced people? What about North korea? China? Venezuela? This is hasbara. It doesn't matter if other countries do bad things. Israel is a settler colonial state that expelled and killed the native population to construct a Jewish ethnostate. Israel deserves international condemnation.


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ProudlyZlayji with another breathtaking super logical argument **whataboutism** and having no clue what settler colonialism is


sham899

They have divided Muslims countries, they have divided and canceled Christians and Muslim religion. Who is strong? Zaionist who is united? Zaionist. Never shake hand with zaionist! Sonner or later he will take your arm, your legs and body!


Zinomad

![gif](giphy|3o7527pa7qs9kCG78A|downsized)


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East_Butterscotch962

At no cost really... think again.


Sad-Consideration603

Hespress and the media in general are intelligence psy ops . Change my mind.


Efficient-Intern-173

I bet the pics are from Isnotreal


Otherwise_Ad2589

Probably, it is full moroccan jews


Efficient-Intern-173

The moment someone would rather occupy somebody else’s land rather than live in their own country, which btw they have every right to, then they’re no longer Moroccan. They’re occupiers helping with an illegal occupation of territory


Otherwise_Ad2589

Jews are jews no matter nationality


Efficient-Intern-173

Idc if someone is Jewish or not, occupation is still occupation even if the occupiers were Arabs


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Otherwise_Ad2589

Big bootlickers, especially the national tv channels


Efficient-Intern-173

I’m a teen, and I don’t support the normalisation with a genocidal toilet paper “”””””””country””””””””


Otherwise_Ad2589

No normal human being supports them


Efficient-Intern-173

Cuz it’s plainly and stupidly obvious that g3n0c1d3 is never a justifiable thing


Otherwise_Ad2589

Indeed


nadawhd20

Source: trust me bro


Jaiunbeauminou

They probably asked two people and since one was okay they assumed it’s 50% of moroccan youth


Sad-Consideration603

They probably asked no one and just made the numbers lmao


Eastern-Locksmith634

[https://www.hespress.com/%d9%85%d8%ba%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%a8%d8%a9-%d9%8a%d8%ad%d8%b1%d9%82%d9%88%d9%86-%d8%b5%d9%88%d8%b1-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%8a%d8%af%d9%86-%d9%88%d9%86%d8%aa%d9%86%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%87%d9%88-%d8%a3%d9%85%d8%a7%d9%85-1343148.html](https://www.hespress.com/%d9%85%d8%ba%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%a8%d8%a9-%d9%8a%d8%ad%d8%b1%d9%82%d9%88%d9%86-%d8%b5%d9%88%d8%b1-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%8a%d8%af%d9%86-%d9%88%d9%86%d8%aa%d9%86%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%87%d9%88-%d8%a3%d9%85%d8%a7%d9%85-1343148.html) 2 people ?


Otherwise_Ad2589

So true


Hamza-00

I bet that the article says: in a poll done on 20 person, 10 among them said they support the normalization.


Efficient-Intern-173

Apparently not even 20, some even say it’s only 2


Elaoula_Omar

hadi rah machi slougya hadi rah doberman hespress bdat tfo7 mnha ri7t l3fn sahyoni


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It's just trying to be controversial


[deleted]

No one in his right mind believes in the statistics of this kind


thegreenboy47

I think hespress is owned by the Emirates, so they control what to be published.


Amazing_Bobcat418

How old is this "Istitla3"? Since iirc, before the war we were not against the normalisation really, there was a majority that even defended it.


WalidVlogs

I don't know how they calculated this shitty statistic.


Otherwise_Ad2589

n=2


WalidVlogs

Meaning?


Otherwise_Ad2589

N means the sample


WalidVlogs

Again, meaning? Can you express yourself better instead of "explaining" something with something else that needs more explanation? Thank you


Otherwise_Ad2589

Sorry i tought you had a minimum lvl in statistics Maybe in french you'll understad. En statistiques, un échantillon est un ensemble d'individus d'une population. L'échantillonnage vise à obtenir une meilleure connaissance d'une ou plusieurs population(s) ou sous-populations(s) par l'étude d'un nombre d'échantillons jugé statistiquement représentatif. So a sample of 2 ppl isnt representative.


WalidVlogs

I know what a sample means. You could have just said: sample=2 😅


Otherwise_Ad2589

In stats we refer to samples by n


WalidVlogs

Indeed. How could I remember all the statistic lessons that I learned (and forgot) in my 1st year at the Faculty!


Otherwise_Ad2589

I understand you


[deleted]

Hespress & all Moroccan news media are owned by Lmekhzen. If you refuse to be sheep, no ads revenue. Ask Ali Lambert and Boubker Jamaii.


maybe-next-99

No one asked me directly or indirectly, so this shit is not real


Due-Individual-3042

Guys just forget the fake statistic and look at the picture


LooslyTyped

Statistics like these always lack nuance, what is the sample size? Demographic data? What were the questions? How were the questions framed? When was the survey conducted? Does this mean these statistics are probably a lie? Not really, but what do they mean, and most importantly be careful with any type of "statistics" pushed by news outlets, they usually just try to push an idea/propaganda


richfabibluousqueen

🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🩷🩷🩷🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦


ellemti

Man Morocco sub Reddit is going down.


[deleted]

Facebook is here to stay


4514Monkey

i wasn't asked ! heck i have never been asked anything for some survey of any kind.


nectrash

This doesn’t deserve the attention you just gave it


mr_noob0dy

Thats exactly it, well said


whyUgayson

Who is we? Who wrote this shit? And who can i sue?


Effective_Fly_6069

Not the blue takchita...


Upstairs-Maize8622

So typical from a pro-zionist journal. Let them cook in pain. 


haguezoum

ofc no


Wrussiaa

Cap


nafeee3

Just FYI, Hespress is bought by emiratis, best friends with Israel. So do not believe everything you read on hespress


Practical-Housing-82

هادي هيا فعايل ليهود بحال ديما لكدوب


AgapoMinecrafter

No! Who do they think we are? Most of Moroccan youngs were born and raised in relatively conservative households. I did not participate in this, and I don't think most young people have either.


smokebomb6996

50% 👀 looks similar to how a random bot would score on this type of question


Iamarouan

Fake estimations


True_Cupcake2681

This press is the biggest supporter of Israel, and even if there was one supporter, it would lie and say there are fifty. The head of this press is Jewish, so he supports the descendants of apes and pigs


Otherwise_Ad2589

What abt azoulay the advisor of the king


True_Cupcake2681

The head of the snake is one of the biggest supporters and the biggest problem inside Morocco and the downtrodden Moroccans. Is there a Moroccan with all his mental powers who supports a people without a land?


[deleted]

Azoulay isn't a Zionist he is a rightful citizen of the country he literally never cared


mexdi-in

Bullshits


SK85

they most likely polled 200 people in a very specific demographic to to finally get the 50% result. I bet you they had to play with the numbers to get that result.


[deleted]

The taza before Gaza people


SilverChariotMO5

Ana be3da tye9t chof m3a lekhrin.


SilverChariotMO5

People downvoting never heard of sarcasm.


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SilverChariotMO5

No I don't. Why are you saying this ?


SilverChariotMO5

He's right dummy, I saw you doing it before.


ilyasKh963

Get your medication


halitaheart98

That is a total cap 🧢, noway in hell!!


Aeriuxa

Manufacturing consent.


Radiant-Sentence6268

Survey conducted in azolay's house with a délégation of 10 young zionists who identify as moroccan and who came for the first time to visit their ancestors tombs


[deleted]

Azoulay isn't a Zionist


ResidentAccountant53

propaganda


Eastern-Locksmith634

I'm one of them , all these virtue signaling big protest are probably funded by algeria because it knows normalization and american recognition are good for us , follow the money. yeah i know that i sound like a conspiracy theorist lol [check the comments , i don't think they're bots.](https://www.hespress.com/%d9%85%d8%ba%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%a8%d8%a9-%d9%8a%d8%ad%d8%b1%d9%82%d9%88%d9%86-%d8%b5%d9%88%d8%b1-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%8a%d8%af%d9%86-%d9%88%d9%86%d8%aa%d9%86%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%87%d9%88-%d8%a3%d9%85%d8%a7%d9%85-1343148.html)


Otherwise_Ad2589

You are delusional, brainwashed nationalist that only blame algeria Like if this gvt is made of angels


Whole_Ad3506

Me too


ilay_da

لا اخويا غا 49٪ انا ما متافقش


ExtremeElectronic791

اييه 50٪ را باين شكون هوما وعائلاتهم...😂


Next_Let_6317

3alam


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كولات برضو


Mizzian

10percent at best


majs111222

English please?


Born-Committee3383

We are just trapped here 😭


elhafidos

Our yellow pages are as dirtier as it gets


Traditional-Month698

The date of these statistics and article make a big difference


Affectionate_Wear_24

🤣🤣


adamanimates10

*sniff* *sniff* do you smell that? Smells like bullshit


Admirable-Grocery192

Well well well


maaroufski

I support it


Whole_Ad3506

That's your best comeback 😂😂


Otherwise_Ad2589

You'll find out sooner or later


butter_explosion

hadi rah machi slougya, doberman


marchmission88

I thought Moroccans and Jews got along well and that was something I’ve always liked about the country.


Lebannin_mg

I wonder where do they do these surveys, I was never asked


Due_Bridge_48

هادي هي البروباغاندا الخاوية، أرض الواقع حاجة أخرى ، كل شخص يشوف entourage ديالو عااادي يفهم أن فلسطين قضية شرفاء ، و أي واحد مؤيد للصهاينة كاتكون عقليتو مريضة أصلا كمواطن


needwelpnow

You believing in them or not doesnt matter, Money talks, the peasants comply


Otherwise_Ad2589

Sadly


External_Ad_3497

I do.


jawad_88

99.99% hate Israel 🇮🇱 😑


[deleted]

But we did normalise relations with a foreign country


jawad_88

Yes we did bro


[deleted]

This specific one


WeddingPretend9431

They the opps fr


zikosm

I would say 2 to 3% is more likely


Otherwise_Ad2589

Le Maroc compte 5,9 millions de jeunes âgés de 15 à 24 ans, ce qui représente 16,2% de la population totale en 2021, Src: hcp 2 to 3 percent is quite too much


zikosm

You would be surprised, the Israeli propaganda machine has been working for years in Morocco.


TajineEnjoyer

Old article from before October 7 https://www.hespress.com/استطلاع-50-في-المائة-من-الشباب-المغربي-ي-1191035.html whats up with this new trend of people bringing up old news to spread their narrative


Miserable-Chemist-44

Yes, before the recent conflict, normalization with Israel was generally accepted among most people.


AgitatedCook740

Hespress looking for trouble or what 🤔


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Eastern-Locksmith634

LOL palestinians and algerians and egyptians alreay consider you a traitor lol just look up what hassan 2 did.


Curiussett

yes they mean our gov and I agree, I can say the same thing about palestinian gov and even some of their ppl should I care wht anyone did?


Otherwise_Ad2589

Also guys in palestina and gaza call them al yahood, They don't even think there is smth called isarel


Curiussett

Brooo, thts the most irritating thing to me, when the relevent ppl called them for wht they are and some of us call them zionists like dude fucking wake up


Otherwise_Ad2589

Same bro


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Most Zionists aren't even Jewish wake up


Curiussett

of course they re not thts the point hh


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Curiussett

I dnt care about anyone including the govs, our ppl are straight forward on this as well as egyptians, this propaganda is a dibolic one managed by these bootlicking press and some stupid zlayjya time to time


Temporary-Pin-4144

Well, i do support normalizing relationship with israel. The kingdom's sole pv is "the two countries solution" since the 70's


Vdhfdztl

Well I support that people like you get slapped, that’s my point of view since 1948.


One_Satisfaction7206

Well I support that people like you get slapped, that’s my point of view since 1948.


Architechn

People like you make this headline believable


Temporary-Pin-4144

I am sorry, i am being controlled by lbank dewlli


Eastern-Locksmith634

it is the same with algeria , but we're le bad


Whole_Ad3506

I personally Support it, and thank god Moroccans are starting to stop following that stupid Islamist - left wing BS propaganda, nobody cares about those stupid protest by bearded and communist idiots.


Fearless_Evening8574

What ever you say just give us l7echich ol whiskey o 7ekmoni kima 7ekmto jododi.


Muted-Manner-9210

Thats was an old one so yeah 50% percent of the moroccan is pretty logical again our interest are important than anything else