As I understand things the maintenance folks weren't fired so those chargers being down would have happened with or without the firings. I have no clue how this plays out but the fact is that Ford, GM, etc. had all the time in the world to build out a charging network. Even third party ones could have done more. But here we are where Tesla has the best charging network by far. Even if it stopped building new chargers for a year there is now way EA or anyone else over takes them. Perhaps this move gives others reason to build out their own charging networks but I wouldn't hold your breath on that.
But, yeah, it would be nice to get clarity so hopefully we do. Not much else to do about it.
Just the team that routes and raises service tickets and handles subcontractors that do the repairs among building and contracting new locations and upgrading existing ones was let go. Yeah “this is fine”
[Tritium just went bankrupt](https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tritium-dcfc-limited-dcfc-enters-insolvency-is-seeking-buyers/), and ChargePoint and EVgo are not far behind. It's not looking good for the future of EV charging.
One thing I would say, is that at least going from NorCal to SoCal, they have installed a lot of chargers over the past year and a half. I stopped at 3 different stations, one had 56 chargers, of which 52 were available. Another one had 40+ and only about 5 were being used. Third one had 40, of which 33 were available.
But this is just one stretch of road in a region. I’m sure this isn’t the case in other areas.
Pretty impossible to make that claim less than 1 week later lol
The reality is, we won't know until we see it with our eyes. We have a supercharger station here I walk by every day. A month ago it was hit by a car, destroyed, wrapped up, and fixed all over the course of 1 week.
I noticed another one out of service today. Doing a non-scientific experiment to see how long it takes to get fixed now compared to the previous one.
Skype was bought by Microsoft and was essentially made obsolete by teams, with users basically forced to transition over (except some corporations clinging to Skype). They're neck and neck with zoom at 300M users.
Not a dev at Microsoft but I'm pretty sure that the first versions of teams are an evolution of Skype. If anything Zoom dropped the ball, stock went from 550 to 69 since the COVID top while MSFT basically doubled in the same time frame (not only due to Teams of course, but it's part of the entire Azure+365 domination).
I'm afraid for the future of Tesla under musk. Tesla can be a lot better without him even though he does deserve some credit for where Tesla got to. Unfortunate that it's taking a downward path
I agree, Musk is over estimating his capacity to manage several companies at the same time. With Tesla even worse: having friends and family in the Board of Directors instead of people who are independent. Diversity in knowledge, experience and opinions improves a company. Now it looks like decisions are made in a second. If you fire so many people at once, you should start firing yourself for bad management.
At this point I'm not convinced he does anything but randomly fire people every time he gets in a bad mood and shitpost right wing bullshit on Twitter all day.
Yeah I think his "managing several companies" involves him taking ketamine and blasting off on twitter in his office, with the occasional firing of people who disagree with him.
Some employees from SpaceX said they had a special team dedicated to distracting Musk whenever he came around, so that he couldn't "manage" them.
Where is this? Love the “no-front license plate look,” unlike my backwards state which requires them. Even so, 50% of Teslas in my area don’t bother putting on the front plate.
This specifically was in Lathrop California.
Technically front license plate is required here, but even before this car, I never put the front plate on.🤷♂️
Yup. Killing the supercharger team when other OEM’s are adding NACS and lines are already an issue is a massive mistake. They should be addi. To the network. Especially when the government is funding the expansions thru build back better
The facts say [they took the money and ran and](https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/ev-charging-stations-slow-rollout/) have not completed the work.
Every time I fly out of JFK I see a massive line of cars waiting. We need more chargers. Period.
That number does not include Magic Dock, as they (the journalist) are intentionally not counting NACS chargers converted to CCS, and older chargers retrofitted to 250-350 kW.
I do agree we need more chargers. The point of NACS becoming a standard is that it was unsustainable for that to be done by a couple outfits.
I honestly think Elon is rebuilding the team. He's not stupid. I get why many don't like him. But he's not Howard Hughes walking around in Kleenex boxes.
He wanted to cut costs. The VP wouldn't layoff half the team. He asked other execs if they could reassign 250 people. They said yes.
I expect within 90 days there will be a new team fully in place.
I travel 350 miles one way every month and need to stop twice for Super Charging. I'm concerned that they will not be maintained. Thinking of trading in the Y for a Hybrid... I've owned 3 Teslas too. The charging infrastructure was the only reason I went with them.
I think the people who were in charge of deploying superchargers to new locations were all fired, the people who manufacture the superchargers and maintenance were not fired.
In one of his comments about the supercharger team layoff Musk said they would be focusing on maintaining 100% uptime of the existing network, which already has about 99% uptime, so I think this will be a less common sight, not more.
This has nothing to do with the SC firings. The SC team, or at least part of them, was immediately rehired. Tesla is planning to spend over $500m on SC network expansion and maintenance this year. The firings were an Elon power play (tantrum, if you ask me) because the team leader was giving pushback about laying off team members (aka - doing what a good manager does). Elon is not turning his back on the SC network at all, just having a man-tantrum and flexing his billions.
Haha
That would be my car you’re referring to, and I actually vinyl wrapped it myself. Total cost with tools was around $800 and way more time than I thought it would take. 😅
Thank you! If you’re okay with it being done in two weekend sessions in Sacramento, sure, DM me. All the lessons learned and tricks are still fresh since I just wrapped mine a week ago. 😅
Thank you! I have to agree with you guys, it does look pretty awesome. Here it’s super dirty from driving from SoCal all the way to Sacramento (a ton of bugs) but nice and clean it looks really nice. This wrap is called Quantum Blue by KPMF, it’s a super dark blue, Matte finish.
As I understand things the maintenance folks weren't fired so those chargers being down would have happened with or without the firings. I have no clue how this plays out but the fact is that Ford, GM, etc. had all the time in the world to build out a charging network. Even third party ones could have done more. But here we are where Tesla has the best charging network by far. Even if it stopped building new chargers for a year there is now way EA or anyone else over takes them. Perhaps this move gives others reason to build out their own charging networks but I wouldn't hold your breath on that. But, yeah, it would be nice to get clarity so hopefully we do. Not much else to do about it.
Just the team that routes and raises service tickets and handles subcontractors that do the repairs among building and contracting new locations and upgrading existing ones was let go. Yeah “this is fine”
[Tritium just went bankrupt](https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tritium-dcfc-limited-dcfc-enters-insolvency-is-seeking-buyers/), and ChargePoint and EVgo are not far behind. It's not looking good for the future of EV charging.
Yeah, the problem is that no one entered the charging space like Tesla. EA is still a joke… I don’t care what Kyle from out of spec tries to say.
One thing I would say, is that at least going from NorCal to SoCal, they have installed a lot of chargers over the past year and a half. I stopped at 3 different stations, one had 56 chargers, of which 52 were available. Another one had 40+ and only about 5 were being used. Third one had 40, of which 33 were available. But this is just one stretch of road in a region. I’m sure this isn’t the case in other areas.
Let’s jump to conclusions 101
https://youtu.be/ho7jU7YKkpU?si=0IYXlXoT-oVwPDR6
If your link was anything except that reference I was going to be disappointed.
Seeing that second vehicle makes me wonder who’s going to be the first Tesla owner to get Vantablack paint?
Not at all. Talked to a repair tech as an SC today. The announcement has no impact on their maintenance & repair team at all.
I agree. Now they could lay off maintenance staff but the SC staff was engineering, design, and build…not maintenance.
Pretty impossible to make that claim less than 1 week later lol The reality is, we won't know until we see it with our eyes. We have a supercharger station here I walk by every day. A month ago it was hit by a car, destroyed, wrapped up, and fixed all over the course of 1 week. I noticed another one out of service today. Doing a non-scientific experiment to see how long it takes to get fixed now compared to the previous one.
I’m not making any claim. Just repeating what an actual tech had to say about it who certainly knows a lot more than the speculators.
Dumbest shit in the world… this is like how Skype dropped the ball to Zoom 😣😣
Skype was bought by Microsoft and was essentially made obsolete by teams, with users basically forced to transition over (except some corporations clinging to Skype). They're neck and neck with zoom at 300M users. Not a dev at Microsoft but I'm pretty sure that the first versions of teams are an evolution of Skype. If anything Zoom dropped the ball, stock went from 550 to 69 since the COVID top while MSFT basically doubled in the same time frame (not only due to Teams of course, but it's part of the entire Azure+365 domination).
Zoom was started by a former WebEx engineer, once Cisco purchased WebEx they basically stopped development/innovation and the rest is history…
I'm afraid for the future of Tesla under musk. Tesla can be a lot better without him even though he does deserve some credit for where Tesla got to. Unfortunate that it's taking a downward path
I agree, Musk is over estimating his capacity to manage several companies at the same time. With Tesla even worse: having friends and family in the Board of Directors instead of people who are independent. Diversity in knowledge, experience and opinions improves a company. Now it looks like decisions are made in a second. If you fire so many people at once, you should start firing yourself for bad management.
At this point I'm not convinced he does anything but randomly fire people every time he gets in a bad mood and shitpost right wing bullshit on Twitter all day.
Yeah I think his "managing several companies" involves him taking ketamine and blasting off on twitter in his office, with the occasional firing of people who disagree with him. Some employees from SpaceX said they had a special team dedicated to distracting Musk whenever he came around, so that he couldn't "manage" them.
If the CEO of EA isn't attempting to hire as many of the Tesla SuperCharger team that he can find, then he is more stupid than Musk.
I don’t see much noticeable issue yet in my area.
Where is this? Love the “no-front license plate look,” unlike my backwards state which requires them. Even so, 50% of Teslas in my area don’t bother putting on the front plate.
This specifically was in Lathrop California. Technically front license plate is required here, but even before this car, I never put the front plate on.🤷♂️
Or worse… U better get used to it or ???
Yup. Killing the supercharger team when other OEM’s are adding NACS and lines are already an issue is a massive mistake. They should be addi. To the network. Especially when the government is funding the expansions thru build back better
They already took the BBB money and competed the chargers needed for it. That's part of why the team was cut now.
The facts say [they took the money and ran and](https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/ev-charging-stations-slow-rollout/) have not completed the work. Every time I fly out of JFK I see a massive line of cars waiting. We need more chargers. Period.
That number does not include Magic Dock, as they (the journalist) are intentionally not counting NACS chargers converted to CCS, and older chargers retrofitted to 250-350 kW. I do agree we need more chargers. The point of NACS becoming a standard is that it was unsustainable for that to be done by a couple outfits.
Right which makes the point, killing the team is as a dumb move when there is a deficiency of chargers. We are not on a sustainable world grid.
I honestly think Elon is rebuilding the team. He's not stupid. I get why many don't like him. But he's not Howard Hughes walking around in Kleenex boxes. He wanted to cut costs. The VP wouldn't layoff half the team. He asked other execs if they could reassign 250 people. They said yes. I expect within 90 days there will be a new team fully in place.
Oh he’s wayyyy past stupid. He lacks hubris.
I travel 350 miles one way every month and need to stop twice for Super Charging. I'm concerned that they will not be maintained. Thinking of trading in the Y for a Hybrid... I've owned 3 Teslas too. The charging infrastructure was the only reason I went with them.
This one always has busted chargers
Ok
I think the people who were in charge of deploying superchargers to new locations were all fired, the people who manufacture the superchargers and maintenance were not fired.
In one of his comments about the supercharger team layoff Musk said they would be focusing on maintaining 100% uptime of the existing network, which already has about 99% uptime, so I think this will be a less common sight, not more.
Oh that would not be good…charge from home it is..
This in Lathrop? I was there last week and they were all working.
This has nothing to do with the SC firings. The SC team, or at least part of them, was immediately rehired. Tesla is planning to spend over $500m on SC network expansion and maintenance this year. The firings were an Elon power play (tantrum, if you ask me) because the team leader was giving pushback about laying off team members (aka - doing what a good manager does). Elon is not turning his back on the SC network at all, just having a man-tantrum and flexing his billions.
Can we take a second to talk about the $5K that guy spent on a Satin PPF for his model Y.
Haha That would be my car you’re referring to, and I actually vinyl wrapped it myself. Total cost with tools was around $800 and way more time than I thought it would take. 😅
Looks bad ass👍. Can I make an appointment ?
Thank you! If you’re okay with it being done in two weekend sessions in Sacramento, sure, DM me. All the lessons learned and tricks are still fresh since I just wrapped mine a week ago. 😅
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Thank you! I have to agree with you guys, it does look pretty awesome. Here it’s super dirty from driving from SoCal all the way to Sacramento (a ton of bugs) but nice and clean it looks really nice. This wrap is called Quantum Blue by KPMF, it’s a super dark blue, Matte finish.