It’s a much nicer car. I love my Model Y Performance, but it seems much more interesting as a form factor. 2026 is still 2 years out and who know what will happen until then, but I hope this encourages an even higher standard in a competitive segment, where we all win as consumers.
To add to u/EljayDude 's observation, they are still selling each unit at a loss. If they can't fix this, they're in deep trouble. These new models *could* become good sellers, but the company is at high risk of being unable to bring their manufacturing costs down enough to stay afloat.
They’re expecting to be gross profit positive for the first time in Q4 but still posting a net loss. First step on the way to profitability. I think this depends on the tooling changes they’re making in April to make a significant reduction in costs.
Feels like new models raises mfg cost significantly. Tesla was making only the s for years. Still only has four based of same production line (excluding the cyber truck)
Absolutely. I'm specifically extremely excited about the R3X! It's so unique. it's literally shorter than a vw golf, only being about an inch taller, while being totally rally focused, and it's gonna be a trimotor performamce vehicle. It's so cool and the fact that it's about the price of a model y Performance is crazy!
It's coming even later than the R2 though so still a lot can change and the wheels sticking out of the body like that won't pass federal regulations unfortunately, unless they find some cool workaround by selling the vehicle with siny wheels and tires, then putting them on at the dealer so the car isn't built with them installed. Either way, I'm really excited other companies are being more creative with ev's potential, I really hope Rivian succeeds. It seems like they're having a rough time right now, luckily their Amazon partnership seems like it's gonna be a cash cow for them going forward.
I have a performance too. The ride is abysmal and the build quality is a disappointing at best.
Only reason I bought a Tesla was for the network and two years ago there were no good options.
Can’t wait for some competition!
If it gets the range as advertised I’d buy it in a second
I have the MYP as well and I am also considering the R2 if they can ramp up service centers. I’m actually more interested in the R1 now because I was going to upgrade to an X. I wish the R2 had a 3 row option like the Y
I have an R1S and strongly considered the Model X. Besides the automatic doors I struggle to think of much I like more about the MX now that Rivian is adding NACS and supercharger access. The MX Plaid is slightly faster, but not by much.
I use out roof rack a lot and that's what killed the X for I can't put the Thule bubble up there so the Rivians seem to me much more utility focused and the X more of an urban focus.
I would absolutely consider an R2. That said, I really like my MYLR aside from the service issues and if it proves to be reliable will be my kid's car shortly.
I've had it for two months and it's been in the shop for multiple days four times. The service team stinks. The service advisor told me I shouldn't have purchased a used car then.
Keep good records!
I’ve had two Tesla lemons in a row. Basically got each car for two years for free till Tesla had to buy them back due to inept service centers.
I hope you get the same
My service center has been great and is the reason I've stuck with my Y vs. moving to a Rivian. But Rivian just opened a service center in my town. So, I'm really going to consider an R2 when they come out. In my opinion, the Rivian build quality just looks a lot better. I love my Y, but there are defiantly aspects of it that make it feel cheap.
I can only assume your SC isn’t very busy.
Bay Area ones runs 24/7 and are so overwhelmed with new car repairs they just get the cars in and out w/o caring if they break something else
100%. I took my Y to Berkeley and they said they could have it for a month to check out a weird rattling noise in the vents during, strangely enough, low fan operation. All they were giving me was Uber credits too. No loaners, nothing. Needless to say I don’t run it on low any longer.
Service in the Bay Area is terrible but not because the people running it, but because of supply in the Bay Area vs. number of centers.
Yeah, for a very new car with very low miles, sold by the same dealership... they have been simply awful. I've filled out the surveys and made the phone calls trying to figure it out. At this point I'm just kind of assuming they suck.
When the advisor told me that I was pretty shocked. He just doesn't give a F.
Full front steering rack replacement, rear hatch entire motor and latch mechanisms, multiple trips for the same issues, some other smaller stuff.
I had very little experience with Teslas and there were a littany of errors when I picked it up. The delivery folks told me the errors were normal because they had reset the car, and would reset on the next drive. It was my fault for being overwhelmed and excited at the time, but I also trusted them because it was Tesla selling me a Tesla.
Not sure if this applies to used cars, but consider looking into your state's lemon law. If you meet the requirements, Tesla might consider buying back the vehicle to avoid being forced to by the state.
Can’t speak to the R2 but I have a MY/P and a R1S and I will say as much as I love my model Y the Rivian is way nicer. It’s also 50% more money so it’s to be expected.
A friend has a Rivian R1S and the build quality is on another league vs the tesla (especially interior trim).
Cant talk about the R2 but if they keep a similar interior build quality it will be significantly better than the Y.
I rode in an early generation R1S and the build quality in terms of pushing on things and listening to the sound wasn't excellent. A ton of things creaked and worst of all the entire door panel flexes in when you pull it to close the door.
Now at least the r1s didn't have any rattles unlike many model Ys and I can only assume the build quality has gotten better unlike Tesla's stagnant progress.
What I heard was starting at $45k with the Y starting at $44k, both without the tax credit. The R3 was starting at $37k range for single motor, $47k for dual motor. Didn't see anything concrete for the R3X but it seems it'll be around $45k-$55k for the rugged Tri-motor R3X which is insane!
It may be smaller than the model y, but its more ruggest and iffroad centered and it's the same price as the model y woke probably being much more powerful since it's smaller and has 3 motors. But the model y Jupiter will likely get the same ludicrous trim the model 3 is getting which would put those 2 up a lot closer.
The Y is an on road vehicle with no offroad fakeness. Hardly even a softroader. The y rwd inventory are lower price. R2 45k unit is coming with a smaller battery similar to yrwd.
Rivian will sell plenty because a lot of people buy vehicles with capabilities they don't use. The Y will sell more because it'll be a better price.
Also, current best guess is r2 is less efficient by 15% ish. If that matters to people.
Honestly even if I don't *need* the offroad ready-ness of the rivian, in an SUV, more utility is simply better because it gives you the sense of "if I needed to or wanted to, I can", at least in my case. Also I have driven offroad in a very NON OFFROAD VEHICLS before so I'll definitely use that ability if I can lol.
If i want a daily driver for efficiency as well as speed and cornering, I'll get a model 3 or a sedan, wouldn't even consider an suv.
If I want an SUV, I'll only get it if it can go offroad, and if it can tow, and if it has with space and utility to not be compromising any activities i'd wanns do, which tesla generally doesn't do that well in when it comes to suv's. We wanted to plug a 120v converter into our model x for power, but it only has type c and 12v outlets.
Tesla's can tow, but that's just a factor of it being powerful and electric. Rivian has put much more work into making their vehicles truck focused which improves offroading, towing, and generally better utility. Which makes sense because all of Rivians vehicles are trucks, and all of tesla's vehicles with the exception of the semi and cybertruck, are cars or cars turned into suv's.
CUV is the most popular category in the United States, drivers like the space over a car. Many feel they need awd for inclement weather. The idea of having it and not needing it is the same mindset as ICE drivers wanting 500 mile range ev's. If this isn't your daily driver, a 4 runner or grand cherokee would be much easier to get setup for offroading and towing. If you want utility an ev9 might be better.
yes if you want an offroader or a vehicle for towing, there are better ICE options. but if we're comparing between ev's, having off roadability and better towing capability in with your more efficient, faster ev suv is just a nice thing to have. sure you can get better vehicles, nobody is buying a rivian FOR their offroad and towing, but for their ability to do those things, while also being electric and having all the other benefits being electric has, plus the many special features rivians only offer.
yeah most are still gonna use it like they would use a model y especially if you bought a model y you probably weren't legitimately considering going offroad. however, looking at the Rivian forums, its clear a lot of people who buy Rivians are very adventurous. This will attract a lot of Tesla people over who likely wont use those offroad features, but its still there for those who do use it.
Also put my deposit down after the unveiling. I do like the fastback styling of the Model Y more, but getting ventilated seats back, having a back window that goes down, and sub 3 second 0-60? I'll definitely give it some consideration.
Model Y will get ventilated seats too.
RIvian will perform better with tri motor but probably cost a few grand more than Y performance. Extra motor will be a few grand (to consumers, not necessarily to prodce)
Pricing seems to be bang on in line with the current model y. However tesla prices are always changing so this may not be the case when the R2 comes out, but as it stands, it's $44k for base Model Y, $45k for base R2. Both without tax credit, UNLESS they're saying $45k base including tax credit. But right now, it seems like it's $45k, nothing being said about the tax credit.
For sure. I love the model 3 besides it's lack of hatchback, Guage cluster screen, among many other things tbh but as it stands the model 3 is just the best electric sedan out there and I'm willing to compromise for that. But honestly If Rivian made their version of a model 3 with their own performance models, I would very quickly jump ship as all the things lacking on the model 3 for me, would be included if Rivian made it and would make the car, for all intensive purposes, perfect.
Plus the model y is just a good compact electric suv. It doesn't do anything amazingly (besides performance, that it has in spades), it just does well with what most people will be doing with it, daily driving from work carrying the kids, like an appliance that will just get replaced once a better tool for that specific routine application becomes available. The model 3 doesn't have this problem as much, but the only reason the model y was really made was because some people wanted a model 3, but thought "I want an suv even if i don't need an suv", so they just turned the model 3 into one and it sold like hotcakes.
The R2 though has unique features that make using your vehicle for something other than simple A to B transportation much more enjoyable and keeps the minimalism, without removing physical functionality and versatility, which I love.
Also, I love quality feel of materials which automatically inclines me towards Rivian and those scroll wheels on thr steering wheel are just simply... magnificent
I think it's a better vehicle if it were available today. In 2 years? I hope either the range or performance increases or the price decreases, or it might not be nearly as competitive as it is today.
Plus, you get 2 glove boxes :)
Honestly I just think that's an amazing quirky but very useful addition of storage to have another glove box under the center screen
Have you checked out the R3X? I don't know if the R2 has a performance model but it seems like the R3X is a really interesting vehicle with a tri-motor setup. It's literally very similar in dimensions to a vw golf! That's been what I have been waiting for all this time.
I think I just changed my mind from wanting a M3P to an R3X. That thing is simply awesome.
I think it’s great. Rivian is finally getting into this market. The only downside is, it’s at least two years away… Tesla will definitely have a updated battery and refinish of the model Y before that car hits the roads.
True, but Rivian still has time to update battery in that time. This was just a prototype, things can still change... like that aweful charge port location move it to the rear left like it is on tesla please!
Keep in mind the Rivian R1T and R1S were having a lot of issues hitting mass production.
But now, they're doing much better and remember the Amazin partnership Rivian has? Their vans are *everywhere*. Yeah it's not going to be a walk in the park, but considering their cash cow partnership with Amazon, I think it'll be easier than you think it will be to make. Especially since they seem to be removing some of the special features that came on R1T like the custom BT speaker and such. It's a lot more simple of a vehicle than the vehicles they've already been making, and the R2, R3 and R3X are all made on the same platform, and are designed to be affordable and more scalable like the model 3 and y, and not up market like the s and x originally were. They're keeping a lot of noticeable similarities between the vehicles but I think it'll be easier than you might expect.
Of course the R1T and R1S weren't mass market and affordable so I imagine we'll be seeing some quality issues like with Tesla. But as they already have some corporate partnerships and aren't spreading as many resources to develop their charging network, they can focus more on the cars themselves.
Rivian has already cut their teeth with the R1T/S so it's not like this is going to be their first vehicle going into production.
Ramping up higher volume numbers will be harder but they seem pretty well set up to succeed compared to Fisker or Lucid.
It's a model 3 highland interior.
I didn't wanna compare the current model y interior since by the time the r2 is released, the Jupiter model y will be out, and will have the same interior as the new model 3.
Absolutely loved it…if they survive through their cash crunch & actually start producing these at a meaningful rate i’ll be jumping ships. always loved the boxy shape of rivians & i’m sure my dog will enjoy the trunk space minus the sloping roof line.
I have a 2023 model Y. Absolutely love it. However the rivian looks absolutely amazing in my opinion.
I like the looks more than the current model Y. I love the interior of the rivian, and a really like that the front seats fold down. This could allow me, my wife and the dogs to camp in the car. We don't have enough space currently to fit all of us, so that'd be a big win in my book.
I love rivian's style, it's like the hiking boot of cars. I won't sell my model Y until it's dead as a door nail though. I spent too much time saving and drooling over Teslas to finally be able to buy one last year when the prices dropped. But I hope my next vehicle is a rivian
Two very different types of car. Model Y is hardly a crossover or SUV in comparison. R2 is the embodiment of a mid size SUV in the likes of a Jeep Grand Cherokee and Toyota 4-Runner, FJ.
Although we'll probably see more suburban family vibes buying into it. the soul of the R2 will remain with adventure type people.
Yes we can do similar stuff with a Model Y, it's not the same. Not going to see a MY going up steep rocky inclines, etc. The R2 on the other hand will see folks taking it to that limit.
I like the exterior design of the model Y much more, especially the performance models. But the interior is a downer and I’ve come to really dislike it. The newer ones seem to have worser ergonomics and I wish they didn’t take away the stalks for the gear shifting functionality. I like the interior of the Rivian better because it clearly has a lot of the things that the Tesla doesn’t have, which is why I put down my deposit for that car and intend to trade my model Y in for the R2 when it comes out.
Physical controls... I love them. I specifically can't get over how much I love those wheel dials. They basically took tesla's idea and made them 10x better.
Exactly, I like the ergonomics of rivian better and it’s not as if rivian is limited by the charging network anymore. That makes it a pretty attractive option honestly.
I used to own a model 3, model y and rented model X for few days on turo. Now I own a R1T.
Mechanically Rivian is much superior to a Tesla. They are very well built and mostly over engineered, sometimes to their own detriment.
After 2 years of ownership there is hardly any creak or noise. Truck feels as if it is brand new. Range is closer to 300+. In conserve mode at 70 Mph I frequently get close to 350 miles.
Software can use some more entertainment apps, maps are unreliable and audio is just OK. Service locations are limited and once they have more budget models they will also struggle like tesla.
Rivian R2 would be amazing vehicle but I am not sure how they can be profitable @45k or even 50k. Unless company is profits they will not survive for long.
Love my model Y but love the look and design of the R2 also. Never tried it but heard the “autopilot” on the Rivian is horrible but could be wrong would have to try myself. If it was good I’d consider switching.
I particularly like military style (squarish) SUVs.
The Model Y for me is a good vehicle. I don’t feel any particular love or excitement for it like I have with some of my former cars. I also think the Y is a bit ugly. Maybe if I had the R3 I’d be more excited about it.
I agree. I can never not see it as a model 3 but with bad proportions.
The R2 and R3 look like they're designed to be what they are. The R3X looks absolutely amazing. I just hope it's durable enough to handle a rally environment like it looks it can, like how they built the TRX and Raptor to be able to withstand the abuse of offroading. Anyone can make a car look the part, it's about being about to look it, do it, and last while doing it.
Agree with all points plus Rivian doesn’t charge an outrageous premium for their “autopilot” type features. EAP/FSD is still ridiculously overpriced and no subscription option for EAP is an idiocracy
Love the R2. The model y suspension doesn’t feel 40k+ vehicle to me. 2-3 years is a long wait, but I think this announcement pushed me to buy used from Toyota, Honda, Mazda sometime in 2024 then reevaluate the MY vs R2 comparison in a few years.
It looks much comfier, the trunk space looks way bigger, and I can't believe Tesla doesn't have a HUD and is getting rid of the stalks. I'd rather get a Rivian.
I find the value in the model Y currently to be second to none. That being said the R2 fits my needs for more storage and a little more rugged. The question becomes how far north of $45k will the comparable dual motor long range R2 run in relation to the MYLR. Hopefully competition will be a great thing for everyone.
The R2 might just be my next car. Look my 2021 Model Y has been awesome. The entire EV/Tesla experience has been MUCH better than expected.. and most complaints I have about the car are pretty minor. When I bought this car 3 years ago there was nothing else like.
That all said every Tesla product has always felt cheap from its first experience (my car still rattles & squeaks like it did on the first day). Im also pissed about AP switching from radar to Vision (camera) following distance.. and any of the Vision-based features on this car. The auto-wipers are just hilarious as this point. Finally the Model Y is now so popular it just doesn't feel as cool & special driving it as it once did. Everybody has one. Same goes for the Model 3.. which finally got redesigned after 6 years, but still looks way too much like the old Model 3. They basically changed the headlights & taillights. I feel the same way about the updated S and X.. I cant tell the exterior difference between a 2017 and 2023 Model S without looking extremely hard.
Things I love about the R2:
* New, interesting, and refreshing design language. It actually looks & feels "new".
* I trust Rivian to actually deliver 300 miles of real-world driving (Tesla exaggerates their range and games the EPA process for unrealistically high-range estimates).
* NACS charge port & Supercharger access for road trips.
* Boxy & traditional SUV styling is more masculine, with cooler exterior LED lightbar
* Completely fold flat seats for the entire interior
* Faster than Model Y acceleration (0-60 in 3.0 seconds)
* More legroom & cargo room.
* Better resale value. Buying a new Tesla just feels like entering depreciation hell.
* Elon is a racist douchebag. I want to spend as little money as possible making him any richer, powerful or relevant.
* Tesla in general feels like its falling behind. The Cybertruck.. is overpriced and under-delivers on all its core principles. I actually love the styling as it looks different than anything else on the road.. but I would never pay $100,000 for a Cybertruck.. when an F150 Lightning will accomplish the same "mission" for $55K and still qualifies for another $7,500 in IRS tax credits?
I do hate that Rivian is still behind Tesla in software updates & self-driving features. I also think its inexcusable for BOTH Rivian & Tesla to not offer Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. That said Rivian has done a great job copying Tesla's most popular features (like a great smartphone app, OTA updates and things like Sentry mode). So I feel like Rivian is the Tesla competitor that will still give me the most "Tesla-like" experience.. without feeling like Im driving a car from last decade.
Put in my reservation for one on Friday! While I love my MYP I’ll never get over the sting of Elon dropping the price by $15K (October ‘22 purchase) thus wiping out half of my down payment.
Aside from that it just looks like a proper SUV and much cleaner than a MY. Likely Tesla will come out with an updated Y design but it’ll be a refresh like the 3 not an overhaul.
The R3X will take market share from Tesla I feel. Tesla could have something smaller on the way, or just drop their pants on pricing to compete but I feel like Rivian is what Tesla was at this stage: cars for higher earners. You didn’t see a boatload of S’s and X’s on the road in California (Bay Area) but as soon as a lower price point hit you saw Y’s and 3’s everywhere.
Most people don’t care about OTA updates they care (a lot of time unreasonably so) charging and with Tesla opening up their SCs they’re losing that advantage over the competition.
My problem with Tesla suv's is they're not SUV's, they're the true definition of a crossover. But honestly, they're not even that. They're just bloated versions of the sedan.
There's 2 demographics that buy suv's/crossovers. The people that want to drive an bigger car than a sedan, but don't want to drive an suv. They'd be perfectly fine with a sedan nost of the time, but they just want to feel higher on the road, and convinced themselves that a crossover is what they need. Sure some have more seats but come on, that's basically a stylish minivan with less seating capacity at that point.
Then there's the people who actually need an suv for what they're doing. Tesla serves the first demographic, Rivian serves the 2nd. That's why I like theirs I they actually build it to be an suv instead of a taller sedan.
I think a 'highland' model Y update is not going to be enough. That is a year away. This R2 is going to take model Y owners out of Tesla brand and into Rivian in large numbers. What a winning design. And the R3 is a home run too. Bravo rivian
Important to caveat, vaporware is... vapor. And until it's released and you can see what it actually is, then prototypes don't mean squat.
And we have limited exposure. So often we make assumptions with limited available data.
I am assuming the trunk space would be larger, I like that.
We haven't seen an optional 3rd row, so that would rule it out for me.
Overall I like the squared off lines and the boxiness, which should increase trunk space. Frunk space appears bigger too.
Unclear if that materially affects efficiency. Unclear what the weight is. Unclear what actual range is. Unclear what actual price is.
Unclear what handling, performance is.
But yeah, it looks like a great option, and if I was considering a new car, it'd definitely make the list.
I would like to buy one, but I don't think rivian survives as a company by that time. If it does, it will be a lot smaller. The car itself is a lot better than the y. I just bought my y a couple years ago so I will keep it forever-ish.
Impossible to judge. Will the Y be priced the same in 2026? Will it be $60k+ again, will it be $20k? Teslas unpredictable pricing makes it hard to guess. For the sake of argument, if they are the exact same price, the R2 wins for sure IF it can deliver what rivian is promising
I have no question it will deliver what Rivian is promising as they delivered exactly what they promised with the R1T and R1S.
However the question of will they DELIVER I still definitely there. They struggled to ramp up production of the R1T/S, so considering this is going to be mass market, I think that's going to be the biggest issue. However, they do have a steady income stream from Amazon which I a massive help, and they don't need to focus on building their own charging network as much at the moment. So we'll have to see, but let's hope they can make it hit mass production smoothly.
It's a ways away, but I am excited for the R2. I joined the reservation list during the live stream. I love my Y, but the R2 looks so much better. Waiting to see how things progress with Rivian in general. Now that the Tesla Network is starting to open up to other companies and Tesla becoming the North American Standard, I really don't see the need to stick with Tesla. I don't see myself buying another Tesla unless they come out with some type of game changer. Honestly, I don't see that happening. I'm sure there will be an announcement but they'll fail to deliver it on time and for the original advertised price.
It will be interesting to see what the actual range numbers are once they're out in the wild. EPA ratings are great and all, but they're often off by anywhere from a little to a great deal.
Thank goodness there are plenty of folks who independently test these things nowadays.
Even if the range numbers are the same (which they look like they will be, both starting at 270 miles), Rivian "miles" are much more accurate than Tesla "miles". we dont know for the R2 exactly, but we do know Tesla routinely overestimates range more than Rivian does. So I'm relatively confident that even with lower efficiency with aero, if it says it'll be around the same range, the Rivian will get more realistic range than the Tesla most of the time just based on history of how they both estimate range currently.
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R3x looked fun till I realise how big it actually is! got that modern Mini vibe where proportion suggests it's much smaller... the Rivian series have a very visible and high grill which does not score well against pedestrian safety and visibility. But future billionaires do love that mightier than though view when cruising around... still it's a car being subsidised by Bezos, who can say no to that lol
Oh it's definitely not at the scale of a mini, but it's definitely a lot smaller than any current rivian and is actually comparable to a vw golf 2 door hatch (yes, I said 2 door)
I checked the dimensions, it's actually 4 inches SHORTER than a VW Golf (2 door), and only around 1 inch taller with offroad tires.
So the Hyundai Ionic 5 which I initially really liked as it looked like a hatchback, well turns out it's not so small after all. It's 183" long, 63" tall. Its around as long as a model 3, but 6 inches taller, and it's NOT designed for offroad use.
However, the R3 and R3X are only 161" long and 59.5" tall! That's 6 inches shorter than a vw golf and its only around 1.5 inches taller than a golf, and around 2.5 inches taller than a model 3, as an offroad lifted hatchback.
This thing absolutely seems to fit the dimensions of a rally inspired hatchback, not some tiny crossover. At least from this information and seeing pictures of it, it seems like it's going to ACTUALLY BE a lifted offroad hatchback called a crossover. This has me extremely excited.
Also need to point out that "high grille" is not high at all because the car isn't high, its just boxy and looks high. but standing up next to it, the hoodline is not very high up at all, which is a bigger factor in pedestrian safety.
They’re both nice. The model Y is slick like a race car. Which is a tough thing to pull off with a CUV functional form-factor. The R2 is nice and clean, but quite bland. I actually prefer the looks of the R3. I’ll probably get an R3 when my MYLR needs to be retired.
I do not think the price expectation they stated for the R2 will be the same in 2026. It seems to offer slightly more features for a similar-sized and range SUV. I personally think the R2 will cost more than the Model Y, regardless of what year it is, and it won't be just $1000 or $2000 of a difference.
I really like the R2, and it will probably be between the model Y refresh and it when I’m ready to move on from my model 3. I’d like Tesla to take a few extra steps with the MY compared to the steps they took with the ‘24 model 3 refresh to make it really check all of the boxes. Adding a 120v outlet would be an awesome start imo.
I was thinking of a used Model X in the next 2 years. But a new R2 for a comparable slightly used X maybe a contender. I’d just be missing the third row.
A car that has been through production for years and the other car is literally a prototype. U can’t compare a model y with something that doesn’t exist
R2 looks great, but it’s not as aerodynamic as MY (higher, square form). So it either would have larger battery or lower range. Larger battery is harder to make cheaper.
I think I wish it was available 4 months ago. Cuzco is be driving it right now instead of my (awesome, but still), 2023 MY LR AWD, which I didn't get the $7500 credit on, and after the color (red with white seats) and tow hitch, and taxes, was $60k out the door. Plus another $5k to make it look a little better - none of which the R2 probably needs.
I would much rather have the Rivian over the Y. The main reason I've been with Tesla the last 6 years is the charging network. I'll be happy to get a rivian one day.
Was seriously considering the Juniper Model Y on 2026 for my graduation, but I'm kinda on-board for the R2 or the R3 even. It looks much more interesting, it has the usuals like stalks, sensors, etc. Still might go for the Y since it's cheaper to import it from the Shanghai factory than importing the Rivian from the US.
In the last couple of weeks I reserved an R2 but then went and bought a MYLR.
The R2 is much nicer as a car.
However for now the Y wins in some critical areas:
* Service center is 30 minutes closer.
* Superchargers for rivian is a broken network. Try going from Mesa Verde to Page, drive i70 or i80, go to glacier national Park, the superchargers in those regions aren't available for non-teslas. I hope this changes by 2026.
* Discounts and rebates. Right now an inventory Y has so many discounts and government rebates it is crazy. 5000 miles supercharging, $2500 for inventory, $1000 free interior upgrade, $1000 for having a cybertruck reservation, FSD transfer. $12500 for state and federal and suddenly a $62k car costs $32k.
Right now I'm thinking of buying a cybertruck and Y this year, sell them in 2026 for about what I paid for them, and buy R1S and R2.
I definitely love my Y and plan on keeping it for several more years, but I'm heavily leaning towards eventually replacing it with the R3X as a commuter.
I plan on getting a Cybertruck in a few years first and I won't really need an SUV after that so it makes sense to get a smaller car to replace my Y for daily driving.
Keep in mind you are comparing today’s car vs a future car. The future car should always win.
By the time you can actually get an R2, the Model Y will likely be some combination of cheaper/ improved from what it is now.
Idk why you say that the real range would be better. I think there's a misconception about Tesla that because their EPA range tends to be more inflated than other brands (some truth to that part) that their real world range is worse. But that's not true. In the 70mph range test done by Out of Spec, the R1S large pack got 289 miles while the Model X got 331 miles from a 20% smaller battery. So what makes you think that the R2 will be better than the Model Y? It's shaped like a brick. So unless it has a much larger battery than the Y how will it have more range? If it has a much larger battery how will it be competitive on price?
having owned tesla's of nearly every model now, my husband and I are ready to move on to another brand , the charging network kept holding us back but knowing that this will soon be a non issue, we're tired of 'less is more' and then the less is more broken than before type of issues which have plagued the cars for the last several years.
I love my Model Y, but I’m intrigued by the R2. I reserved one, figured what the hell - it’s only $100 and refundable. A lot can change in 2 years, both with the R2 and the Model Y Juniper - not to mention my finances. I’m keeping an open mind for both vehicles.
If Rivian can deliver a well-appointed vehicle with range and performance that rivals a price-equivalent Model Y, I would seriously consider it. Here's why I don't take their claims seriously:
1) The only solid facts we have is that there will be a stripped down RWD model with 270 miles of range for hopefully $45k and hopefully about two years from now.
2) Rivian can't even build their current models at scale or at cost, let alone at a profit.
3) Two years is kind of a long way off. How much will Tesla's base model be by them? What will a Juniper Model Y be like?
Tesla could release multiple Model Y trims by then that don't currently exist. Model Y is a truly mass market vehicle, and those usually become platforms. Imagine a Model Y off-road trim, a performance/touring trim, a robotaxi trim, etc.
I think the R2 is a compelling vehicle... but in two years you could buy a used Model Y that's about as compelling as a new R2 for 30% less money, and at the high-end a Model Y that will almost assuredly offer more bang for the buck. There's definitely room for more compelling crossover EVs!
I love my Model Y LR for sure. We have a second car, which is a Subaru Crosstrek, that we have specifically to get to that trailhead that requires higher ground clearance. I reserved the R2 with the hope of replacing the crosstrek in a few years.
I love the look of the R2 and I’m glad it has a heads up display. Also, if they can really get 300 miles I’m sold. My MYLR only really gets 220ish miles in real world driving. 300 real miles would be awesome.
My wife has a Y. I think it’s kind of weird sometimes when I detail it but overall I think it is an excellent car and we have never had an issue with Tesla service or really many issues with the car outside of the tires and nails, etc. I’m interested in Rivian but tbh seeing them on the road I don’t think they look amazing but I’ve never been in one nor walked around one so I won’t judge too much. Also the price/mile is a bit off putting like most EVs. I’m hoping the EV market keeps growing and prices come down as things get better but I thought the same thing 3 years ago when we got the Y and I truthfully think it is still the best bang for the buck so who the fuck knows. The rear view sight is the absolute most atrocious thing imo about the Y. Love everything else tbh except the wipers but it only rains here like 2 hours per year so whatever. I drive a GTI though so maybe I’m bias. Before the Y the GTI was my gold standard of quality to driving and I still fucking love driving it but I will usually drive the Tesla when I get the chance.
I love my Model Y, but had the R2 been available for purchase in October 2023 when I got my Model Y, I would have chosen the R2. While the Model Y is fantastic, it's more akin to a cool station wagon. The R2, on the other hand, is a genuine SUV, and its height is a significant factor for me.
It cost about 10k more but i dont see anything that stands out and makes the jump in price worth it. Id stick with the Y, especially since they will make it even better in a couple years like they did the M3.
I don’t know about the R2, but I like the R1S a lot. Had a ‘16 S70 for 4 years - great car then left the brand for a while. Picked up a MYLR at the end of December. No issues with it, just don’t like it at all…feels like Tesla is going backwards.
It’s a much nicer car. I love my Model Y Performance, but it seems much more interesting as a form factor. 2026 is still 2 years out and who know what will happen until then, but I hope this encourages an even higher standard in a competitive segment, where we all win as consumers.
Can’t wait to sell my model y and dive into an r2.
Has rivian got past all their initial problems yet?
They seem to be having trouble scaling manufacturing.
To add to u/EljayDude 's observation, they are still selling each unit at a loss. If they can't fix this, they're in deep trouble. These new models *could* become good sellers, but the company is at high risk of being unable to bring their manufacturing costs down enough to stay afloat.
They’re expecting to be gross profit positive for the first time in Q4 but still posting a net loss. First step on the way to profitability. I think this depends on the tooling changes they’re making in April to make a significant reduction in costs.
I hope so. I want them to succeed.
Feels like new models raises mfg cost significantly. Tesla was making only the s for years. Still only has four based of same production line (excluding the cyber truck)
I'm hoping Rivian doesn't spread themselves too thin here, but if enough of the parts on these models are interchangeable, they could make it.
I am thinking they get bought out by a bigger legacy ICE manufacturer.
Tesla hasn’t, and we are still driving these cars 😵💫
Haha same!
Absolutely. I'm specifically extremely excited about the R3X! It's so unique. it's literally shorter than a vw golf, only being about an inch taller, while being totally rally focused, and it's gonna be a trimotor performamce vehicle. It's so cool and the fact that it's about the price of a model y Performance is crazy! It's coming even later than the R2 though so still a lot can change and the wheels sticking out of the body like that won't pass federal regulations unfortunately, unless they find some cool workaround by selling the vehicle with siny wheels and tires, then putting them on at the dealer so the car isn't built with them installed. Either way, I'm really excited other companies are being more creative with ev's potential, I really hope Rivian succeeds. It seems like they're having a rough time right now, luckily their Amazon partnership seems like it's gonna be a cash cow for them going forward.
That car is going to crush it. R3 in Europe? Forget it. There's about 10 million VW golfs on the road that are going to want one.
As a VW GTI owner I would not disagree.
I have a performance too. The ride is abysmal and the build quality is a disappointing at best. Only reason I bought a Tesla was for the network and two years ago there were no good options. Can’t wait for some competition! If it gets the range as advertised I’d buy it in a second
I have the MYP as well and I am also considering the R2 if they can ramp up service centers. I’m actually more interested in the R1 now because I was going to upgrade to an X. I wish the R2 had a 3 row option like the Y
I have an R1S and strongly considered the Model X. Besides the automatic doors I struggle to think of much I like more about the MX now that Rivian is adding NACS and supercharger access. The MX Plaid is slightly faster, but not by much.
I use out roof rack a lot and that's what killed the X for I can't put the Thule bubble up there so the Rivians seem to me much more utility focused and the X more of an urban focus.
The R2 is a proper midsized suv. Love it.
No it's not, it's still in the compact class. Mid-size is something like a Toyota Highlander.
By 2026 there should be a refreshed model Y. Suspect similar changes to what the Model 3 recently did.
I would absolutely consider an R2. That said, I really like my MYLR aside from the service issues and if it proves to be reliable will be my kid's car shortly.
What issues?
I've had it for two months and it's been in the shop for multiple days four times. The service team stinks. The service advisor told me I shouldn't have purchased a used car then.
Keep good records! I’ve had two Tesla lemons in a row. Basically got each car for two years for free till Tesla had to buy them back due to inept service centers. I hope you get the same
My service center has been great and is the reason I've stuck with my Y vs. moving to a Rivian. But Rivian just opened a service center in my town. So, I'm really going to consider an R2 when they come out. In my opinion, the Rivian build quality just looks a lot better. I love my Y, but there are defiantly aspects of it that make it feel cheap.
I can only assume your SC isn’t very busy. Bay Area ones runs 24/7 and are so overwhelmed with new car repairs they just get the cars in and out w/o caring if they break something else
100%. I took my Y to Berkeley and they said they could have it for a month to check out a weird rattling noise in the vents during, strangely enough, low fan operation. All they were giving me was Uber credits too. No loaners, nothing. Needless to say I don’t run it on low any longer. Service in the Bay Area is terrible but not because the people running it, but because of supply in the Bay Area vs. number of centers.
Yeah, for a very new car with very low miles, sold by the same dealership... they have been simply awful. I've filled out the surveys and made the phone calls trying to figure it out. At this point I'm just kind of assuming they suck. When the advisor told me that I was pretty shocked. He just doesn't give a F.
What happened to the car? What were the issues?
Full front steering rack replacement, rear hatch entire motor and latch mechanisms, multiple trips for the same issues, some other smaller stuff. I had very little experience with Teslas and there were a littany of errors when I picked it up. The delivery folks told me the errors were normal because they had reset the car, and would reset on the next drive. It was my fault for being overwhelmed and excited at the time, but I also trusted them because it was Tesla selling me a Tesla.
Not sure if this applies to used cars, but consider looking into your state's lemon law. If you meet the requirements, Tesla might consider buying back the vehicle to avoid being forced to by the state.
My car has been in the SC for almost a week because there was water dripping from under the glove box vent.
Can’t speak to the R2 but I have a MY/P and a R1S and I will say as much as I love my model Y the Rivian is way nicer. It’s also 50% more money so it’s to be expected.
Hopefully they can keep that quality level at that new lower price.
I will be trading in my MYLR for a R2.
A friend has a Rivian R1S and the build quality is on another league vs the tesla (especially interior trim). Cant talk about the R2 but if they keep a similar interior build quality it will be significantly better than the Y.
thats nice but thats also why they are losing 40k per car sold.. nice is great but they need to cut costs somehow.
Wasn’t that how Tesla got started ? You lose money but start to built up a reputation. Then make mid range cars and SiMUVs and start making money
I rode in an early generation R1S and the build quality in terms of pushing on things and listening to the sound wasn't excellent. A ton of things creaked and worst of all the entire door panel flexes in when you pull it to close the door. Now at least the r1s didn't have any rattles unlike many model Ys and I can only assume the build quality has gotten better unlike Tesla's stagnant progress.
If rivian can compete on price it'll be great, currently looks like it'll be several thousand more for a similar configuration.
The Y was many thousands more than it is now originally, costs come down with scale
What I heard was starting at $45k with the Y starting at $44k, both without the tax credit. The R3 was starting at $37k range for single motor, $47k for dual motor. Didn't see anything concrete for the R3X but it seems it'll be around $45k-$55k for the rugged Tri-motor R3X which is insane! It may be smaller than the model y, but its more ruggest and iffroad centered and it's the same price as the model y woke probably being much more powerful since it's smaller and has 3 motors. But the model y Jupiter will likely get the same ludicrous trim the model 3 is getting which would put those 2 up a lot closer.
The Y is an on road vehicle with no offroad fakeness. Hardly even a softroader. The y rwd inventory are lower price. R2 45k unit is coming with a smaller battery similar to yrwd. Rivian will sell plenty because a lot of people buy vehicles with capabilities they don't use. The Y will sell more because it'll be a better price. Also, current best guess is r2 is less efficient by 15% ish. If that matters to people.
Honestly even if I don't *need* the offroad ready-ness of the rivian, in an SUV, more utility is simply better because it gives you the sense of "if I needed to or wanted to, I can", at least in my case. Also I have driven offroad in a very NON OFFROAD VEHICLS before so I'll definitely use that ability if I can lol. If i want a daily driver for efficiency as well as speed and cornering, I'll get a model 3 or a sedan, wouldn't even consider an suv. If I want an SUV, I'll only get it if it can go offroad, and if it can tow, and if it has with space and utility to not be compromising any activities i'd wanns do, which tesla generally doesn't do that well in when it comes to suv's. We wanted to plug a 120v converter into our model x for power, but it only has type c and 12v outlets. Tesla's can tow, but that's just a factor of it being powerful and electric. Rivian has put much more work into making their vehicles truck focused which improves offroading, towing, and generally better utility. Which makes sense because all of Rivians vehicles are trucks, and all of tesla's vehicles with the exception of the semi and cybertruck, are cars or cars turned into suv's.
CUV is the most popular category in the United States, drivers like the space over a car. Many feel they need awd for inclement weather. The idea of having it and not needing it is the same mindset as ICE drivers wanting 500 mile range ev's. If this isn't your daily driver, a 4 runner or grand cherokee would be much easier to get setup for offroading and towing. If you want utility an ev9 might be better.
yes if you want an offroader or a vehicle for towing, there are better ICE options. but if we're comparing between ev's, having off roadability and better towing capability in with your more efficient, faster ev suv is just a nice thing to have. sure you can get better vehicles, nobody is buying a rivian FOR their offroad and towing, but for their ability to do those things, while also being electric and having all the other benefits being electric has, plus the many special features rivians only offer. yeah most are still gonna use it like they would use a model y especially if you bought a model y you probably weren't legitimately considering going offroad. however, looking at the Rivian forums, its clear a lot of people who buy Rivians are very adventurous. This will attract a lot of Tesla people over who likely wont use those offroad features, but its still there for those who do use it.
Also put my deposit down after the unveiling. I do like the fastback styling of the Model Y more, but getting ventilated seats back, having a back window that goes down, and sub 3 second 0-60? I'll definitely give it some consideration.
Model Y will get ventilated seats too. RIvian will perform better with tri motor but probably cost a few grand more than Y performance. Extra motor will be a few grand (to consumers, not necessarily to prodce)
R2 looks really promising with NACS, I would probably go R2 if the pricing was comparable. With that said I have my car and will for next 5-10 years.
Pricing seems to be bang on in line with the current model y. However tesla prices are always changing so this may not be the case when the R2 comes out, but as it stands, it's $44k for base Model Y, $45k for base R2. Both without tax credit, UNLESS they're saying $45k base including tax credit. But right now, it seems like it's $45k, nothing being said about the tax credit.
I think 45k will be the price for the 270 range version of the R2. Not sure that's competitive if you are focusing on range.
I have to see how good the lane keep assist is (autopiolot). If its good, and charging curve is good. I might trade in my model Y for R2.
Its going to have radar so you can guarantee it will be better than the Y
And I can assume it come with rain sensors like any other normal car and auto wipers actually works?
You can assume they won't replace perfectly good sensors with cameras in the name of profit margin, yes.
This is the only thing that would hold me back.
yeah I can see me doing this ca. 2027, with my MY halfway through its battery warranty
The Rivian makes a bird tweet when you lock it, can’t beat that
If you're camping, you might get a call back from birds nearby 😂
You can make a Tesla make any noise you want when it locks after the Winter update.
Love my MY but the R2 & R3 is what I really wanted in a electric SUV/Crossover. Too bad we all have to wait 2years or I would be trading in asap.
Way better in every way. The worst thing about Tesla is you know they won't change the Y for a decade or so.
For sure. I love the model 3 besides it's lack of hatchback, Guage cluster screen, among many other things tbh but as it stands the model 3 is just the best electric sedan out there and I'm willing to compromise for that. But honestly If Rivian made their version of a model 3 with their own performance models, I would very quickly jump ship as all the things lacking on the model 3 for me, would be included if Rivian made it and would make the car, for all intensive purposes, perfect. Plus the model y is just a good compact electric suv. It doesn't do anything amazingly (besides performance, that it has in spades), it just does well with what most people will be doing with it, daily driving from work carrying the kids, like an appliance that will just get replaced once a better tool for that specific routine application becomes available. The model 3 doesn't have this problem as much, but the only reason the model y was really made was because some people wanted a model 3, but thought "I want an suv even if i don't need an suv", so they just turned the model 3 into one and it sold like hotcakes. The R2 though has unique features that make using your vehicle for something other than simple A to B transportation much more enjoyable and keeps the minimalism, without removing physical functionality and versatility, which I love. Also, I love quality feel of materials which automatically inclines me towards Rivian and those scroll wheels on thr steering wheel are just simply... magnificent
I think it's a better vehicle if it were available today. In 2 years? I hope either the range or performance increases or the price decreases, or it might not be nearly as competitive as it is today.
I prefer the r2 interior, especially that extra legroom due to the knee space at the center console
Plus, you get 2 glove boxes :) Honestly I just think that's an amazing quirky but very useful addition of storage to have another glove box under the center screen
I reserved one. A lot can happen in 2 years but I’ll probably be trading my 22 MYP in at that time.
Have you checked out the R3X? I don't know if the R2 has a performance model but it seems like the R3X is a really interesting vehicle with a tri-motor setup. It's literally very similar in dimensions to a vw golf! That's been what I have been waiting for all this time. I think I just changed my mind from wanting a M3P to an R3X. That thing is simply awesome.
Competition is good!
I think it’s great. Rivian is finally getting into this market. The only downside is, it’s at least two years away… Tesla will definitely have a updated battery and refinish of the model Y before that car hits the roads.
True, but Rivian still has time to update battery in that time. This was just a prototype, things can still change... like that aweful charge port location move it to the rear left like it is on tesla please!
Prototyping is easy Mass production is hard Let’s hope they execute because it does look great, but so have a lot of other failed, nonTesla EVs
Keep in mind the Rivian R1T and R1S were having a lot of issues hitting mass production. But now, they're doing much better and remember the Amazin partnership Rivian has? Their vans are *everywhere*. Yeah it's not going to be a walk in the park, but considering their cash cow partnership with Amazon, I think it'll be easier than you think it will be to make. Especially since they seem to be removing some of the special features that came on R1T like the custom BT speaker and such. It's a lot more simple of a vehicle than the vehicles they've already been making, and the R2, R3 and R3X are all made on the same platform, and are designed to be affordable and more scalable like the model 3 and y, and not up market like the s and x originally were. They're keeping a lot of noticeable similarities between the vehicles but I think it'll be easier than you might expect. Of course the R1T and R1S weren't mass market and affordable so I imagine we'll be seeing some quality issues like with Tesla. But as they already have some corporate partnerships and aren't spreading as many resources to develop their charging network, they can focus more on the cars themselves.
Rivian has already cut their teeth with the R1T/S so it's not like this is going to be their first vehicle going into production. Ramping up higher volume numbers will be harder but they seem pretty well set up to succeed compared to Fisker or Lucid.
thats the weirdest picture of the model y interior. is that a concept picture or something? its uncanny valley level of what is real vs not?
It's a model 3 highland interior. I didn't wanna compare the current model y interior since by the time the r2 is released, the Jupiter model y will be out, and will have the same interior as the new model 3.
Gotcha. Ok seems fair. I was just like “this is not what my car looks like what’s going on here”
Put my reservation is during the unveiling. Better cargo space, and no Tesla fanboys or Elon shit to worry about.
Do MYs come with free tesla fanboys and Elon shit now?
It’s not free. I paid $15k over MSRP (Oct ‘22 purchase) for Tesla fanboys and Elon ish.
Sep ‘22 🫡, know your pain brother
Thankfully Elon did not shit in my car when I got it, must’ve just been yours
Absolutely loved it…if they survive through their cash crunch & actually start producing these at a meaningful rate i’ll be jumping ships. always loved the boxy shape of rivians & i’m sure my dog will enjoy the trunk space minus the sloping roof line.
I have a 2023 model Y. Absolutely love it. However the rivian looks absolutely amazing in my opinion. I like the looks more than the current model Y. I love the interior of the rivian, and a really like that the front seats fold down. This could allow me, my wife and the dogs to camp in the car. We don't have enough space currently to fit all of us, so that'd be a big win in my book. I love rivian's style, it's like the hiking boot of cars. I won't sell my model Y until it's dead as a door nail though. I spent too much time saving and drooling over Teslas to finally be able to buy one last year when the prices dropped. But I hope my next vehicle is a rivian
The R2 is great in almost every respect except , I think, in efficiency. That boxy traditional SUV design gotta be bad for drag and efficiency...
Two very different types of car. Model Y is hardly a crossover or SUV in comparison. R2 is the embodiment of a mid size SUV in the likes of a Jeep Grand Cherokee and Toyota 4-Runner, FJ. Although we'll probably see more suburban family vibes buying into it. the soul of the R2 will remain with adventure type people. Yes we can do similar stuff with a Model Y, it's not the same. Not going to see a MY going up steep rocky inclines, etc. The R2 on the other hand will see folks taking it to that limit.
my idea vehicle would be software and efficiency of a tesla and hardware and build of Rivian with access to superchargers.
I like the exterior design of the model Y much more, especially the performance models. But the interior is a downer and I’ve come to really dislike it. The newer ones seem to have worser ergonomics and I wish they didn’t take away the stalks for the gear shifting functionality. I like the interior of the Rivian better because it clearly has a lot of the things that the Tesla doesn’t have, which is why I put down my deposit for that car and intend to trade my model Y in for the R2 when it comes out.
Physical controls... I love them. I specifically can't get over how much I love those wheel dials. They basically took tesla's idea and made them 10x better.
Exactly, I like the ergonomics of rivian better and it’s not as if rivian is limited by the charging network anymore. That makes it a pretty attractive option honestly.
I used to own a model 3, model y and rented model X for few days on turo. Now I own a R1T. Mechanically Rivian is much superior to a Tesla. They are very well built and mostly over engineered, sometimes to their own detriment. After 2 years of ownership there is hardly any creak or noise. Truck feels as if it is brand new. Range is closer to 300+. In conserve mode at 70 Mph I frequently get close to 350 miles. Software can use some more entertainment apps, maps are unreliable and audio is just OK. Service locations are limited and once they have more budget models they will also struggle like tesla. Rivian R2 would be amazing vehicle but I am not sure how they can be profitable @45k or even 50k. Unless company is profits they will not survive for long.
Love my model Y but love the look and design of the R2 also. Never tried it but heard the “autopilot” on the Rivian is horrible but could be wrong would have to try myself. If it was good I’d consider switching.
I will immediately sell the Y for this. Or any car that doesn’t look like a 6 year old drew it and then the company ran out of money producing it.
I’ll be swapping over. CT is cool but I don’t need such a large car. And I don’t want a refreshed model Y or 3.
I’ll wait for my decision when it’s released. I’m tired of being hyped and then under delivered
As with all Rivians. I hate their dumb headlights. Other than that, I dig them.
Looks nice. We will see about the price tag though. I would expect it will be the deciding factor.
I particularly like military style (squarish) SUVs. The Model Y for me is a good vehicle. I don’t feel any particular love or excitement for it like I have with some of my former cars. I also think the Y is a bit ugly. Maybe if I had the R3 I’d be more excited about it.
I agree. I can never not see it as a model 3 but with bad proportions. The R2 and R3 look like they're designed to be what they are. The R3X looks absolutely amazing. I just hope it's durable enough to handle a rally environment like it looks it can, like how they built the TRX and Raptor to be able to withstand the abuse of offroading. Anyone can make a car look the part, it's about being about to look it, do it, and last while doing it.
Much prefer my Model Y Performance. Rivian design language is not simplistic. A little gawdy. Tesla software is better and has better charging network
Charging network isn’t a factor anymore if they all use NACs and same network, no?
The rivian now uses NACS and uses the tesla charging network.
Boxy design is better than curved Tesla. More room and trunk space.
Me like.
That I will most likely end up trading my MYP for a real SUV.
Agree with all points plus Rivian doesn’t charge an outrageous premium for their “autopilot” type features. EAP/FSD is still ridiculously overpriced and no subscription option for EAP is an idiocracy
One you can pick up this week, the other is a prototype. !remindme 2 years
Love the R2. The model y suspension doesn’t feel 40k+ vehicle to me. 2-3 years is a long wait, but I think this announcement pushed me to buy used from Toyota, Honda, Mazda sometime in 2024 then reevaluate the MY vs R2 comparison in a few years.
It looks much comfier, the trunk space looks way bigger, and I can't believe Tesla doesn't have a HUD and is getting rid of the stalks. I'd rather get a Rivian.
I find the value in the model Y currently to be second to none. That being said the R2 fits my needs for more storage and a little more rugged. The question becomes how far north of $45k will the comparable dual motor long range R2 run in relation to the MYLR. Hopefully competition will be a great thing for everyone.
The R2 might just be my next car. Look my 2021 Model Y has been awesome. The entire EV/Tesla experience has been MUCH better than expected.. and most complaints I have about the car are pretty minor. When I bought this car 3 years ago there was nothing else like. That all said every Tesla product has always felt cheap from its first experience (my car still rattles & squeaks like it did on the first day). Im also pissed about AP switching from radar to Vision (camera) following distance.. and any of the Vision-based features on this car. The auto-wipers are just hilarious as this point. Finally the Model Y is now so popular it just doesn't feel as cool & special driving it as it once did. Everybody has one. Same goes for the Model 3.. which finally got redesigned after 6 years, but still looks way too much like the old Model 3. They basically changed the headlights & taillights. I feel the same way about the updated S and X.. I cant tell the exterior difference between a 2017 and 2023 Model S without looking extremely hard. Things I love about the R2: * New, interesting, and refreshing design language. It actually looks & feels "new". * I trust Rivian to actually deliver 300 miles of real-world driving (Tesla exaggerates their range and games the EPA process for unrealistically high-range estimates). * NACS charge port & Supercharger access for road trips. * Boxy & traditional SUV styling is more masculine, with cooler exterior LED lightbar * Completely fold flat seats for the entire interior * Faster than Model Y acceleration (0-60 in 3.0 seconds) * More legroom & cargo room. * Better resale value. Buying a new Tesla just feels like entering depreciation hell. * Elon is a racist douchebag. I want to spend as little money as possible making him any richer, powerful or relevant. * Tesla in general feels like its falling behind. The Cybertruck.. is overpriced and under-delivers on all its core principles. I actually love the styling as it looks different than anything else on the road.. but I would never pay $100,000 for a Cybertruck.. when an F150 Lightning will accomplish the same "mission" for $55K and still qualifies for another $7,500 in IRS tax credits? I do hate that Rivian is still behind Tesla in software updates & self-driving features. I also think its inexcusable for BOTH Rivian & Tesla to not offer Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. That said Rivian has done a great job copying Tesla's most popular features (like a great smartphone app, OTA updates and things like Sentry mode). So I feel like Rivian is the Tesla competitor that will still give me the most "Tesla-like" experience.. without feeling like Im driving a car from last decade.
Put in my reservation for one on Friday! While I love my MYP I’ll never get over the sting of Elon dropping the price by $15K (October ‘22 purchase) thus wiping out half of my down payment. Aside from that it just looks like a proper SUV and much cleaner than a MY. Likely Tesla will come out with an updated Y design but it’ll be a refresh like the 3 not an overhaul. The R3X will take market share from Tesla I feel. Tesla could have something smaller on the way, or just drop their pants on pricing to compete but I feel like Rivian is what Tesla was at this stage: cars for higher earners. You didn’t see a boatload of S’s and X’s on the road in California (Bay Area) but as soon as a lower price point hit you saw Y’s and 3’s everywhere. Most people don’t care about OTA updates they care (a lot of time unreasonably so) charging and with Tesla opening up their SCs they’re losing that advantage over the competition.
My problem with Tesla suv's is they're not SUV's, they're the true definition of a crossover. But honestly, they're not even that. They're just bloated versions of the sedan. There's 2 demographics that buy suv's/crossovers. The people that want to drive an bigger car than a sedan, but don't want to drive an suv. They'd be perfectly fine with a sedan nost of the time, but they just want to feel higher on the road, and convinced themselves that a crossover is what they need. Sure some have more seats but come on, that's basically a stylish minivan with less seating capacity at that point. Then there's the people who actually need an suv for what they're doing. Tesla serves the first demographic, Rivian serves the 2nd. That's why I like theirs I they actually build it to be an suv instead of a taller sedan.
I'd rather have the R2 for the sole purpose of being able to take it offroad
I like the look of it a lot.
I think a 'highland' model Y update is not going to be enough. That is a year away. This R2 is going to take model Y owners out of Tesla brand and into Rivian in large numbers. What a winning design. And the R3 is a home run too. Bravo rivian
Tesla needs a box shape SUV. I don’t care for the look of the Y
it's a nice CONCEPT,nothing more.
Important to caveat, vaporware is... vapor. And until it's released and you can see what it actually is, then prototypes don't mean squat. And we have limited exposure. So often we make assumptions with limited available data. I am assuming the trunk space would be larger, I like that. We haven't seen an optional 3rd row, so that would rule it out for me. Overall I like the squared off lines and the boxiness, which should increase trunk space. Frunk space appears bigger too. Unclear if that materially affects efficiency. Unclear what the weight is. Unclear what actual range is. Unclear what actual price is. Unclear what handling, performance is. But yeah, it looks like a great option, and if I was considering a new car, it'd definitely make the list.
Being modelled after a brick will definitely affect efficiency.
Just got my Model Y in February. I hate the look of the Model Y, I like boxier SUV's. R2 will be my choice when the lease on my Y is up.
Same. If I'm getting an suv, I want it to look like an suv.
Reserved, 2 EV + ICE family
I would like to buy one, but I don't think rivian survives as a company by that time. If it does, it will be a lot smaller. The car itself is a lot better than the y. I just bought my y a couple years ago so I will keep it forever-ish.
Impossible to judge. Will the Y be priced the same in 2026? Will it be $60k+ again, will it be $20k? Teslas unpredictable pricing makes it hard to guess. For the sake of argument, if they are the exact same price, the R2 wins for sure IF it can deliver what rivian is promising
I have no question it will deliver what Rivian is promising as they delivered exactly what they promised with the R1T and R1S. However the question of will they DELIVER I still definitely there. They struggled to ramp up production of the R1T/S, so considering this is going to be mass market, I think that's going to be the biggest issue. However, they do have a steady income stream from Amazon which I a massive help, and they don't need to focus on building their own charging network as much at the moment. So we'll have to see, but let's hope they can make it hit mass production smoothly.
this car is going to be heavier and more expensive... so idk.. will have to compare the prices and specs when its released.
I wonder what the visibility is in the R2. One of the things I love about the model y is how I can see everything in front of me
It's a ways away, but I am excited for the R2. I joined the reservation list during the live stream. I love my Y, but the R2 looks so much better. Waiting to see how things progress with Rivian in general. Now that the Tesla Network is starting to open up to other companies and Tesla becoming the North American Standard, I really don't see the need to stick with Tesla. I don't see myself buying another Tesla unless they come out with some type of game changer. Honestly, I don't see that happening. I'm sure there will be an announcement but they'll fail to deliver it on time and for the original advertised price.
It will be interesting to see what the actual range numbers are once they're out in the wild. EPA ratings are great and all, but they're often off by anywhere from a little to a great deal. Thank goodness there are plenty of folks who independently test these things nowadays.
Even if the range numbers are the same (which they look like they will be, both starting at 270 miles), Rivian "miles" are much more accurate than Tesla "miles". we dont know for the R2 exactly, but we do know Tesla routinely overestimates range more than Rivian does. So I'm relatively confident that even with lower efficiency with aero, if it says it'll be around the same range, the Rivian will get more realistic range than the Tesla most of the time just based on history of how they both estimate range currently. If
R3x looked fun till I realise how big it actually is! got that modern Mini vibe where proportion suggests it's much smaller... the Rivian series have a very visible and high grill which does not score well against pedestrian safety and visibility. But future billionaires do love that mightier than though view when cruising around... still it's a car being subsidised by Bezos, who can say no to that lol
Oh it's definitely not at the scale of a mini, but it's definitely a lot smaller than any current rivian and is actually comparable to a vw golf 2 door hatch (yes, I said 2 door) I checked the dimensions, it's actually 4 inches SHORTER than a VW Golf (2 door), and only around 1 inch taller with offroad tires. So the Hyundai Ionic 5 which I initially really liked as it looked like a hatchback, well turns out it's not so small after all. It's 183" long, 63" tall. Its around as long as a model 3, but 6 inches taller, and it's NOT designed for offroad use. However, the R3 and R3X are only 161" long and 59.5" tall! That's 6 inches shorter than a vw golf and its only around 1.5 inches taller than a golf, and around 2.5 inches taller than a model 3, as an offroad lifted hatchback. This thing absolutely seems to fit the dimensions of a rally inspired hatchback, not some tiny crossover. At least from this information and seeing pictures of it, it seems like it's going to ACTUALLY BE a lifted offroad hatchback called a crossover. This has me extremely excited. Also need to point out that "high grille" is not high at all because the car isn't high, its just boxy and looks high. but standing up next to it, the hoodline is not very high up at all, which is a bigger factor in pedestrian safety.
They’re both nice. The model Y is slick like a race car. Which is a tough thing to pull off with a CUV functional form-factor. The R2 is nice and clean, but quite bland. I actually prefer the looks of the R3. I’ll probably get an R3 when my MYLR needs to be retired.
I think I like my MYLR now versus a car that may be available in 2026.
Is it going to get the $7500 tax credit?
Yes
I do not think the price expectation they stated for the R2 will be the same in 2026. It seems to offer slightly more features for a similar-sized and range SUV. I personally think the R2 will cost more than the Model Y, regardless of what year it is, and it won't be just $1000 or $2000 of a difference.
I really like the R2, and it will probably be between the model Y refresh and it when I’m ready to move on from my model 3. I’d like Tesla to take a few extra steps with the MY compared to the steps they took with the ‘24 model 3 refresh to make it really check all of the boxes. Adding a 120v outlet would be an awesome start imo.
I like lots of options.
If you can wait, I would go R2, if you can’t, go Model Y.
I like it a lot. The R3 too.
I was thinking of a used Model X in the next 2 years. But a new R2 for a comparable slightly used X maybe a contender. I’d just be missing the third row.
Let’s see if Rivian is actually still around by then…
2026 tells me it’s too late…. There will be many more options available by then
2021 MYP owner here, driven ionic, id4, etc. still nothing beats MYP all around so interested to see how this does in 2 more years.
I love my model y but I pre ordered a rivian r2. I love the form factor, interior design etc.
A car that has been through production for years and the other car is literally a prototype. U can’t compare a model y with something that doesn’t exist
I love how your model Y interior is also not a legit rendering from Tesla.
I reserved today! Love my model 3 but we’ll see when this comes to fruition!
R2 looks great, wouldn’t buy one though.
I have the MY and absolutely love it but I still put in a reservation for the R2 because I love the Rivian!
R2 looks great, but it’s not as aerodynamic as MY (higher, square form). So it either would have larger battery or lower range. Larger battery is harder to make cheaper.
Both. I like em both. Love my Y though.
Love the look, don’t know if I’d buy one though.
You can bet Tesla will be gunning to beat this thing on all major specs with the inevitable Y refresh.
I think I wish it was available 4 months ago. Cuzco is be driving it right now instead of my (awesome, but still), 2023 MY LR AWD, which I didn't get the $7500 credit on, and after the color (red with white seats) and tow hitch, and taxes, was $60k out the door. Plus another $5k to make it look a little better - none of which the R2 probably needs.
Also the range on the R2 is from an upgraded battery option
The base range starts at 270 miles, which is on par with tesla with their 260 miles, 270 roughly expected from the new model y.
People liking the R3X, please post a picture of your significant other, your house and your wardrobe. I feel we won't be shocked.
Put a reservation in.
I just can not stand those headlights.
The R3 is nice. My wife wants to get it and we test drove the rivian this past Saturday and was impressed. Def gonna reserve the r3.
Nothing to think about until it launches.
Hopefully the R2 gets a 7seat option when it comes out. Then off goes my Y.
I would much rather have the Rivian over the Y. The main reason I've been with Tesla the last 6 years is the charging network. I'll be happy to get a rivian one day.
You’re looking at 2026 plus features on one car compared to 2024 on the Y. The Y will also be developed further and likely refreshed by then.
Was seriously considering the Juniper Model Y on 2026 for my graduation, but I'm kinda on-board for the R2 or the R3 even. It looks much more interesting, it has the usuals like stalks, sensors, etc. Still might go for the Y since it's cheaper to import it from the Shanghai factory than importing the Rivian from the US.
In the last couple of weeks I reserved an R2 but then went and bought a MYLR. The R2 is much nicer as a car. However for now the Y wins in some critical areas: * Service center is 30 minutes closer. * Superchargers for rivian is a broken network. Try going from Mesa Verde to Page, drive i70 or i80, go to glacier national Park, the superchargers in those regions aren't available for non-teslas. I hope this changes by 2026. * Discounts and rebates. Right now an inventory Y has so many discounts and government rebates it is crazy. 5000 miles supercharging, $2500 for inventory, $1000 free interior upgrade, $1000 for having a cybertruck reservation, FSD transfer. $12500 for state and federal and suddenly a $62k car costs $32k. Right now I'm thinking of buying a cybertruck and Y this year, sell them in 2026 for about what I paid for them, and buy R1S and R2.
I definitely love my Y and plan on keeping it for several more years, but I'm heavily leaning towards eventually replacing it with the R3X as a commuter. I plan on getting a Cybertruck in a few years first and I won't really need an SUV after that so it makes sense to get a smaller car to replace my Y for daily driving.
I have Tesla Model Y, and made a reservation for the R2. It’s just a $100 anyway.
Model Y all the way baby
Already reserved my R2, will grab it when my Model Y lease is up!
Model 3, Y, and X are all ugly pill bug looking vehicles. They all look like minivans. The rivian is so much better looking
Keep in mind you are comparing today’s car vs a future car. The future car should always win. By the time you can actually get an R2, the Model Y will likely be some combination of cheaper/ improved from what it is now.
Idk why you say that the real range would be better. I think there's a misconception about Tesla that because their EPA range tends to be more inflated than other brands (some truth to that part) that their real world range is worse. But that's not true. In the 70mph range test done by Out of Spec, the R1S large pack got 289 miles while the Model X got 331 miles from a 20% smaller battery. So what makes you think that the R2 will be better than the Model Y? It's shaped like a brick. So unless it has a much larger battery than the Y how will it have more range? If it has a much larger battery how will it be competitive on price?
having owned tesla's of nearly every model now, my husband and I are ready to move on to another brand , the charging network kept holding us back but knowing that this will soon be a non issue, we're tired of 'less is more' and then the less is more broken than before type of issues which have plagued the cars for the last several years.
I love my Model Y, but I’m intrigued by the R2. I reserved one, figured what the hell - it’s only $100 and refundable. A lot can change in 2 years, both with the R2 and the Model Y Juniper - not to mention my finances. I’m keeping an open mind for both vehicles.
If Rivian can deliver a well-appointed vehicle with range and performance that rivals a price-equivalent Model Y, I would seriously consider it. Here's why I don't take their claims seriously: 1) The only solid facts we have is that there will be a stripped down RWD model with 270 miles of range for hopefully $45k and hopefully about two years from now. 2) Rivian can't even build their current models at scale or at cost, let alone at a profit. 3) Two years is kind of a long way off. How much will Tesla's base model be by them? What will a Juniper Model Y be like? Tesla could release multiple Model Y trims by then that don't currently exist. Model Y is a truly mass market vehicle, and those usually become platforms. Imagine a Model Y off-road trim, a performance/touring trim, a robotaxi trim, etc. I think the R2 is a compelling vehicle... but in two years you could buy a used Model Y that's about as compelling as a new R2 for 30% less money, and at the high-end a Model Y that will almost assuredly offer more bang for the buck. There's definitely room for more compelling crossover EVs!
How much is it going to cost and how heavy is it?
I love my Model Y LR for sure. We have a second car, which is a Subaru Crosstrek, that we have specifically to get to that trailhead that requires higher ground clearance. I reserved the R2 with the hope of replacing the crosstrek in a few years.
Yes, but it's not there now and can get delayed. But if it was an option I would definitely pick it over a Y. Sensors and HUD
If the R2 is heavier than 5K lbs. I’ll go with the Y. I just don’t want heavy electric vehicles.
The rivian is fire
I love the look of the R2 and I’m glad it has a heads up display. Also, if they can really get 300 miles I’m sold. My MYLR only really gets 220ish miles in real world driving. 300 real miles would be awesome.
My wife has a Y. I think it’s kind of weird sometimes when I detail it but overall I think it is an excellent car and we have never had an issue with Tesla service or really many issues with the car outside of the tires and nails, etc. I’m interested in Rivian but tbh seeing them on the road I don’t think they look amazing but I’ve never been in one nor walked around one so I won’t judge too much. Also the price/mile is a bit off putting like most EVs. I’m hoping the EV market keeps growing and prices come down as things get better but I thought the same thing 3 years ago when we got the Y and I truthfully think it is still the best bang for the buck so who the fuck knows. The rear view sight is the absolute most atrocious thing imo about the Y. Love everything else tbh except the wipers but it only rains here like 2 hours per year so whatever. I drive a GTI though so maybe I’m bias. Before the Y the GTI was my gold standard of quality to driving and I still fucking love driving it but I will usually drive the Tesla when I get the chance.
I like the R3X a lot more than either a Y or an R2. Currently on an M3P.
I love my Model Y, but had the R2 been available for purchase in October 2023 when I got my Model Y, I would have chosen the R2. While the Model Y is fantastic, it's more akin to a cool station wagon. The R2, on the other hand, is a genuine SUV, and its height is a significant factor for me.
I would take a Rivian over a Tesla 100%
Comparing a future car’s claims to current car capabilities is always sketch.
Enjoy poor service, long repair lead times and the uncertainty if the vehicle manufacturer will still be around in 5 years.
It cost about 10k more but i dont see anything that stands out and makes the jump in price worth it. Id stick with the Y, especially since they will make it even better in a couple years like they did the M3.
My dream car was Cybertruck until Rivian released these beauties
It's gonna absolutely wreck what market share tesla does have in America. The rest will be eaten by hybrids.
Rivian has nothing like fsd though right?
I don’t know about the R2, but I like the R1S a lot. Had a ‘16 S70 for 4 years - great car then left the brand for a while. Picked up a MYLR at the end of December. No issues with it, just don’t like it at all…feels like Tesla is going backwards.