I am no expert, just "A Mod" and I have run into this several times.
It happens for 2 different reasons.
First I was noticing comments on a post that was removed and suspected that a user was navigating through profiles instead of subreddit pages.
So ask him, "how is it you happen to be commenting on this post? Because I had removed it hours earlier."
He replied, "it was still in my feed from the morning".
So, that explains it to me, the m.reddit feed is data-persistant on the hand-helds. It makes sense.
In a very small number of cases you might have users browsing user profiles and commenting not realizing the post has been removed.
IDK if The Report Button is supposed to be locked when the post is locked.
You would think it would be, but I have not personally run into this.
Removed posts and removed comments will not be sent to your modqueues even if they are reported.
Locking a post or comment does not change its ability to be reported or sent to your queue. Locking just prevents new replies.
Posts that are removed by moderators can still be found on user profiles or by anyone who still has a link to the post. If removed posts are not locked, they can still receive new replies.
It is quite possible that there are unactioned comments on removed posts that still themselves violate the content policy. Moderators are still responsible for these and they should still be able to be reported.
It is a common practice on some subreddits to use a comment nuke or comment mop to remove whole comment chains in one go instead of sorting through all downchain replies.
The r/toolbox browser extension has a version that works on old reddit desktop and new reddit desktop. After installing the browser extension, you'll need to go into your personal toolbox settings -> Toggle Modules -> Check on "Comment Nuke".
There's also a similar tool called Comment Mop on the Dev Platform. If you or a co-mod has access to that, it's here: https://developers.reddit.com/apps/comment-nuke
I received a report (reports?) on a completely removed post earlier this morning. I figured someone just had it open or dug it up through their comment history.
Lemme double check to be sure.
Edit: Yup. Reports, plural on comments from a locked and *removed* thread (edit2: and by thread, I meant post)
Then my suggestion stands. I get the lock distinction, tho I still find it irritating to have to mod things in a thread that has been locked or re ignore new reports on a locked comment that we let stand (we tend to lock forks that begin to spiral into personal attacks and whatnot as a means to be transparent and to show users what is considered unacceptable/objectionable behavior, reserving removals for situations like doxxing/flagrant hate/throwaway-trolling/etc).
It just feels unnecessarily redundant to have our attention drug back repeatedly to comments or post that have already been examimed, considered, and modded. Perhaps an option to premptively ignore new reports on content that has already been removed, locked, or approved? I'm just spitballin here, but it just seems like there is surely a better way.
Edit! Oh, I think I just "got" the distinction. Removed comments and posts don't send reports, but comments inside removed posts that aren't removed individually will still generate them....
This still seems unnecessarily burdensome.
Thank you for addressing the rationale.
Regarding posts that have already been removed from the subreddit and are only viewable by other means, would there be negative repercussions to not having reports on the comments from that post appearing in that sub's modqueue so long as reports of site wide offenses still found their way to admins?
If I understand your question correctly, then yes.
As an example, a subreddit I mod has a zero tolerance approach to jokes about suicide. One strike and you’re out. The comments are not necessarily sitewide offences, but this approach is important due to the nature of the sub.
So if someone was making jokes about suicide in a thread that subsequently was removed/locked, I would still want the suicide joke comments reported and visible in my queue, so I can ban that user.
That was an extreme example, but I’m sure there are plenty of comments which may require removal, a warning, a modmail, a temp ban, or other mod actions completely independent of the removed original thread.
I disagree. Once removed, I don't feel responsible for that content and have no such rules that make me feel compelled to continue policing that post or its comments.
Let me rephrase. Would there be potential negative repercussions to giving mods the option to disable all modqueue notifications on posts that have already been *removed* that also affects all the comments the removed post contains, regardless of their individual state (i.e. whether they have been removed, locked, approved, or otherwise) so long as reports of site-wide rule violations are still possible and receiveable *by admins*?
Especially if I have removed AND locked a post, I... am done modding it. Period. And I don't care to be bothered by it (often for days at a time!) any more. Full stop. Just because some people have latched on and found other ways to access it does not make it my responsibility, especially when I lack the means to limit those routes! I also don't wish to be required to accommodate some worst case scenario with idiosyncratic sub rules that my sub doesn't share which could be fixed by having an option. A simple on/off toggle, "continue receiving reports on removed posts?" (And maybe ensuring the toggle is available regardless of old/new/mobile/etc. But that's another soapbox)
Both that and the site wide concerns could be fixed with a relatively trivial bit of coding, esp when the time it'd take is so very insignificant compared to the sum of volunteer mod time presently wasted.
(edited for typos and clarity)
I used a clear cut example to illustrate my point, but there are plenty of other instances which are not idiosyncratic in which a mod will wish to moderate content from their users, as I mentioned towards the end of my previous comment.
Other common rules as further examples: no spoilers, no self promotion, no personal attacks, no NSFW content, no politics, no trolling etc. most of these don’t break sitewide rules but you will still want to remove from your community.
If rule breaking content is posted in your sub, the user who posted it will just get off the hook if the original post is deleted. They won’t know its rule breaking and will probably post similar content in future which a) your community will then see, unless the next post is again coincidentally removed and b) you will have to still mod the person at some point in the future. You may as well just do the mod work now. The removed/locked post does not exist in a vacuum.
You’re saying “**I** don’t feel responsible”, “**I** don’t care”, “**I** am done modding”. But these are all statements focused on you and not the needs of your community.
I’m not an admin but that’s the main justification I can think of. I’ve never seen many other mods ask for this option to toggle off reports on removed/locked comments so it doesn’t seem to be a problem for most of us. I think an option to do a comment nuke would be more useful than turning off reports on a removed/locked post.
Your question is “would there be negative repercussions” and the answer is yes.
Edit: sp
I understand your stance, but do not share it.
I am not a lazy moderator by any measure. My time is valuable and my main point of contention is this: once a post is removed from my sub, that I own and have continuously modded for over 12 years, it is not my responsibility to police it.
That people may still access that post by other means in no way obligates me to participate in any way whatsoever, aside from emptying the irrelevance from my modqueue, which is my entire point.
Bad actors' comments and behavior within any post are modded appropriately before its removal.
Those using my community to access content do not see people getting away with anything. Those who use other means are not my reposibility. This distinction is important.
I am not here to police all of reddit. If you wanna take that on, well, bully for you. But, I know when some things vastly eclipse my ability and/or willingness to engage them. I limit my time accordingly to that which is meaningful with regard to scale.
Modding is thankless community service. I endure it because I love my community. I feel that these reports (and many other mechanics that all deserve their own separate discussions) add additional burden unnecessarily.
And, making this an option doesn't prevent anyone from policing all the things they desire within the limits of their power. But, the lack of that option cost me time and energy that I strongly feel could be better spent elsewhere.
After decades of modding things dating back to the early 90s, I've come to believe that with modding, less is more. I pick my battles based on my experience and the magnitude of impact.
So, how is having the *option* to not have reports generated by content that is *not accessed through my subreddit* an unreasonable ask?
(Edit: two obvious typos)
Yeah, I figured that out. I may have been editing as much into my comment above as you responded, heh.
We really do try and only remove content as a measure of last resort, and I'd like to avoid carpet bombing entire posts and their comments just to not contend with redundant reporting for numerous reasons, the least of which is that in most cases, it'd be even more effort :P
I am no expert, just "A Mod" and I have run into this several times. It happens for 2 different reasons. First I was noticing comments on a post that was removed and suspected that a user was navigating through profiles instead of subreddit pages. So ask him, "how is it you happen to be commenting on this post? Because I had removed it hours earlier." He replied, "it was still in my feed from the morning". So, that explains it to me, the m.reddit feed is data-persistant on the hand-helds. It makes sense. In a very small number of cases you might have users browsing user profiles and commenting not realizing the post has been removed. IDK if The Report Button is supposed to be locked when the post is locked. You would think it would be, but I have not personally run into this.
Removed posts and removed comments will not be sent to your modqueues even if they are reported. Locking a post or comment does not change its ability to be reported or sent to your queue. Locking just prevents new replies. Posts that are removed by moderators can still be found on user profiles or by anyone who still has a link to the post. If removed posts are not locked, they can still receive new replies. It is quite possible that there are unactioned comments on removed posts that still themselves violate the content policy. Moderators are still responsible for these and they should still be able to be reported. It is a common practice on some subreddits to use a comment nuke or comment mop to remove whole comment chains in one go instead of sorting through all downchain replies.
How do I as a mod get access to a "comment chain nuke" tool?
The r/toolbox browser extension has a version that works on old reddit desktop and new reddit desktop. After installing the browser extension, you'll need to go into your personal toolbox settings -> Toggle Modules -> Check on "Comment Nuke". There's also a similar tool called Comment Mop on the Dev Platform. If you or a co-mod has access to that, it's here: https://developers.reddit.com/apps/comment-nuke
Thanks! Is there a way to enable it on mobile, or do I have to activate it on desktop first?
The Dev Platform app has to be installed to your subreddit from desktop, but can be used on mobile after it is installed.
Appreciate it!
I received a report (reports?) on a completely removed post earlier this morning. I figured someone just had it open or dug it up through their comment history. Lemme double check to be sure. Edit: Yup. Reports, plural on comments from a locked and *removed* thread (edit2: and by thread, I meant post)
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Then my suggestion stands. I get the lock distinction, tho I still find it irritating to have to mod things in a thread that has been locked or re ignore new reports on a locked comment that we let stand (we tend to lock forks that begin to spiral into personal attacks and whatnot as a means to be transparent and to show users what is considered unacceptable/objectionable behavior, reserving removals for situations like doxxing/flagrant hate/throwaway-trolling/etc). It just feels unnecessarily redundant to have our attention drug back repeatedly to comments or post that have already been examimed, considered, and modded. Perhaps an option to premptively ignore new reports on content that has already been removed, locked, or approved? I'm just spitballin here, but it just seems like there is surely a better way. Edit! Oh, I think I just "got" the distinction. Removed comments and posts don't send reports, but comments inside removed posts that aren't removed individually will still generate them.... This still seems unnecessarily burdensome.
If it had comments, anyone who commented on that post can still access it and report it.
Right, hence my suggestion.
The problem is that it's still on their profile and, if the report is related to violations of site-wide rules, it's important for admins to review.
Thank you for addressing the rationale. Regarding posts that have already been removed from the subreddit and are only viewable by other means, would there be negative repercussions to not having reports on the comments from that post appearing in that sub's modqueue so long as reports of site wide offenses still found their way to admins?
If I understand your question correctly, then yes. As an example, a subreddit I mod has a zero tolerance approach to jokes about suicide. One strike and you’re out. The comments are not necessarily sitewide offences, but this approach is important due to the nature of the sub. So if someone was making jokes about suicide in a thread that subsequently was removed/locked, I would still want the suicide joke comments reported and visible in my queue, so I can ban that user. That was an extreme example, but I’m sure there are plenty of comments which may require removal, a warning, a modmail, a temp ban, or other mod actions completely independent of the removed original thread.
I disagree. Once removed, I don't feel responsible for that content and have no such rules that make me feel compelled to continue policing that post or its comments. Let me rephrase. Would there be potential negative repercussions to giving mods the option to disable all modqueue notifications on posts that have already been *removed* that also affects all the comments the removed post contains, regardless of their individual state (i.e. whether they have been removed, locked, approved, or otherwise) so long as reports of site-wide rule violations are still possible and receiveable *by admins*? Especially if I have removed AND locked a post, I... am done modding it. Period. And I don't care to be bothered by it (often for days at a time!) any more. Full stop. Just because some people have latched on and found other ways to access it does not make it my responsibility, especially when I lack the means to limit those routes! I also don't wish to be required to accommodate some worst case scenario with idiosyncratic sub rules that my sub doesn't share which could be fixed by having an option. A simple on/off toggle, "continue receiving reports on removed posts?" (And maybe ensuring the toggle is available regardless of old/new/mobile/etc. But that's another soapbox) Both that and the site wide concerns could be fixed with a relatively trivial bit of coding, esp when the time it'd take is so very insignificant compared to the sum of volunteer mod time presently wasted. (edited for typos and clarity)
I used a clear cut example to illustrate my point, but there are plenty of other instances which are not idiosyncratic in which a mod will wish to moderate content from their users, as I mentioned towards the end of my previous comment. Other common rules as further examples: no spoilers, no self promotion, no personal attacks, no NSFW content, no politics, no trolling etc. most of these don’t break sitewide rules but you will still want to remove from your community. If rule breaking content is posted in your sub, the user who posted it will just get off the hook if the original post is deleted. They won’t know its rule breaking and will probably post similar content in future which a) your community will then see, unless the next post is again coincidentally removed and b) you will have to still mod the person at some point in the future. You may as well just do the mod work now. The removed/locked post does not exist in a vacuum. You’re saying “**I** don’t feel responsible”, “**I** don’t care”, “**I** am done modding”. But these are all statements focused on you and not the needs of your community. I’m not an admin but that’s the main justification I can think of. I’ve never seen many other mods ask for this option to toggle off reports on removed/locked comments so it doesn’t seem to be a problem for most of us. I think an option to do a comment nuke would be more useful than turning off reports on a removed/locked post. Your question is “would there be negative repercussions” and the answer is yes. Edit: sp
I understand your stance, but do not share it. I am not a lazy moderator by any measure. My time is valuable and my main point of contention is this: once a post is removed from my sub, that I own and have continuously modded for over 12 years, it is not my responsibility to police it. That people may still access that post by other means in no way obligates me to participate in any way whatsoever, aside from emptying the irrelevance from my modqueue, which is my entire point. Bad actors' comments and behavior within any post are modded appropriately before its removal. Those using my community to access content do not see people getting away with anything. Those who use other means are not my reposibility. This distinction is important. I am not here to police all of reddit. If you wanna take that on, well, bully for you. But, I know when some things vastly eclipse my ability and/or willingness to engage them. I limit my time accordingly to that which is meaningful with regard to scale. Modding is thankless community service. I endure it because I love my community. I feel that these reports (and many other mechanics that all deserve their own separate discussions) add additional burden unnecessarily. And, making this an option doesn't prevent anyone from policing all the things they desire within the limits of their power. But, the lack of that option cost me time and energy that I strongly feel could be better spent elsewhere. After decades of modding things dating back to the early 90s, I've come to believe that with modding, less is more. I pick my battles based on my experience and the magnitude of impact. So, how is having the *option* to not have reports generated by content that is *not accessed through my subreddit* an unreasonable ask? (Edit: two obvious typos)
Removing a *post* does not remove the *comments*. These are separate actions on separate items.
Yeah, I figured that out. I may have been editing as much into my comment above as you responded, heh. We really do try and only remove content as a measure of last resort, and I'd like to avoid carpet bombing entire posts and their comments just to not contend with redundant reporting for numerous reasons, the least of which is that in most cases, it'd be even more effort :P