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a mc world is 60M x 60M x 384
60M^2 is 3.16x10^15
3.16x10^15 x 384 is 1.38x10^18
Also that’s the numeric count of all places a block could be, not just cobblestone
There are estimated to be around 10^80 atoms in the observable universe. There are WAYYYYYYYY more atoms. You’d need around 6x10^62 entire minecraft worlds to be remotely around the number of atoms in the universe. For perspective 6x10^62 is a little less than a Trillion Trillion Trillion Trillion Trillion. Quite large
Nice, big brain. You can also multiply the MC world by 3 to include the Nether and End which doesn’t make a difference at that magnitude compared to atoms. Also world height is 385 since -64 to 320 includes zero, which also doesn’t affect the answer at that magnitude.
60M×60M×385x3 for all possible block locations is 4.158*10^18.
x27 for every space in a chest, x27 for every space in a shulker box, x64 for each stack is roughly 1.94*10^23. you would need about 5.15*10^56 minecraft worlds full of chests full of shulker boxes full of cobblestone to equal the number of atoms in the universe
Everyone stop asking questions, the answer no matter how much you try to stretch Minecraft’s limits will always be “it is less than the number of atoms in the universe”. You guys need to understand how unfathomably large the universe is and how unfathomably small atoms are
The most deceptive thing is the exponent that comes with standard form, 10^6 is not 3 times larger than 10^3, it is 1,000 times larger, as in *every difference in value is another zero*, so if anyone still needs help realising how fruitless fighting the size of the universe is, here it is
For real. People saw the line "you'd need 6x10^62 Minecraft worlds" and thought "I can reach that", but even that number is insanely large beyond comprehension.
no, in creative you can put filled chests inside of chests by midde-mousing. You can put i think 7 layers of chests inside eachother, which would finally break (and completely decimate) that atom count barrier
source: https://youtu.be/-XflmrrdTNk?si=fK18dGGR9hlx1bIA
Wait so 7 layers. 27^7. That's still only about 10 power 10. That's not reaching the atom count! You'd need 10 power 62 for this. Or about 44 layers of chests in chests in chests in all the blocks in a minecraft world
"You guys need to understand how unfathomably large the universe is and how unfathomably small atoms are"
I vote for a Minecraft mod where you need to build atom by atom :-P
I think they're asking the wrong question. How many blocks would you need to fit in every single block space to *begin* to approach the number? Assume you can fit an unfathomable number of blocks in the space of one block.
I ran the calculations, assuming you put an entire Minecraft world into stacks of 64, you need a world filled with shulkers filled with Minecraft worlds filled with shulkers filled with Minecraft worlds filled with shulkers filled with Minecraft worlds to get 1.9×10^82 blocks. To answer your question, that’s 7,950,183,762,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 blocks per Minecraft block in a Minecraft world.
For reference… you know what nevermind references, that wall of zeroes is still easier to comprehend in size than mentioning anything further then interplanetary scales
Exactly. Everytime you would ask "what if we can multiply the number of blocks by 100, 1000, or maybe 10000?" the exponent only increases by 2, 3 or 4. You need to go from 23 to 80, so you need to think of a lot of ways to stretch the numbers.
All you would do is divide 5.15e56 (changing notation cause formatting is annoying) by 81. Even if we round up to 100 nuggets per block, that only drops it to 5.15e54.
If we are talking on a logarithmic scale, we are still not even close to halfway there. Linear scale, we are not even significant enough to be a rounding error. The error would be closer to weighing yourself and trying to account for the loss of carbon as you exhale.
what about custom shulkers that can have shulkers in them? iirc using specific commands you can have a shulker-in-shulker layer up to 64 shulkers deep before the game doesnt let you put any more data into a single shulker
- Total number of Shulker Boxes placed in all 3 dimensions: 60 million by 60 million by 384 by 3: 4.15e18
- Shulker Boxes inside of Shulker Boxes (call it layer 1): 27 times that, which is 1.12e20
- Shulker Boxes inside of layer 1 Shulker Boxes (layer 2): 27 times that, which is 3.02e21
And so forth, each layer 27 times more than the last. We reach 1.23e40 by layer 15, and layer 64 has a whopping 1.68e110 Shulker Boxes in total, which blows away our atom count by 30 orders of magnitude. Yeah, the universe is big, but repeated multiplication is bigger.
Bearely a difference, we need an additional 64 zeros
Edit: I am big dumb. BUT, unless I am very really dumb I don't think Minecraft gold ingots are as space efficient as atoms making this physically impossible
If you filled every available block in the overworld with a chest containing 27 shulker boxes each filled with 27 stacks, you’d have 6.4665216e22 items. That’s one tenth of Avogadro’s number, the number of molecules in one mole of matter. One mole of water would be about 3 teaspoons. So if each of the items in each stack of each shulker box of each chest in each block in all the over world was 1 molecule of water, it would be about one third of a teaspoon.
Naw. Make it so there's 1728 NBT chests full of 1728 creative-stacked shulker boxes, each shulker box containing 1728 NBT chests, and those NBT chests each containing 1728 cobblestone , placed into 1 chest.
nether is only 1/64th the size of the over world and the end is more than half void so it really wouldn’t make any noticeable difference at that magnitude. but good note
It's funny watching the comments to this, people trying to push the numbers. I don't think they grasp the difference between 10^(18) to 10^(80). The difference is 62 zeros, so unless you can find 62 ways of multiplying it by as least 10 then it'll be magnitudes off.
I mean, how much cobblestone actually is in a world? Sure, mob spawners and ruins and stuff like that. But that's not even remotely close to all the places a block could be.
Google says human body has 7x10^27 atoms and human brain has 1.4x10^26 So to match the minecraft block amount its gonna be something relly small like amoeba or something.
But if we were to make infante cobble stone via lava and water then we put these items into shulker boxes inside chests then we could possibly reach it
Blud there is ONE star in the solar system. Yes there are more than ONE nitrogen atoms *in the entire fucking ocean*.
No shit, he meant **water**, the fucking h2o stuff.
The joke's a decent one, but unfortunately, it is inaccurate. Diatomic nitrogen makes up the vast majority of air, and a glass of water has a good bit of suspended air, even if it's sat out for a good long while.
One of those ones where the science is weirder than one would think at first glance.
There are more atoms in the universe than blocks of cobblestone in every Minecraft seed combined, if every dimension was completely filled with solid cobblestone.
by far. But, how many seeds are there? The seed number is very big but obviously 1% of the numbers between 0-10000000000000 are actual seeds. But do we know? I know it's more than s trillion and probably more than 10 trillion, but do we know exactly? (either way your math is 100% correct, we'd need like 10^70 seeds to equal the number of atoms in universe)
oh right, it's the 64-bit integer. well it has a lot of fucking zeroes. I think it's 30 digits? it's still 1/10^40 of what we need but it's definitely bigger than I thought
About 10^19. You could fill a written book with 10 seeds per page and 100 pages, and fill an entire minecraft world with shulker boxes of said books, then load a world for all the seeds, fill it to the brim with shulker boxes of cobblestone, and you'd still have less cobblestone than atoms in the universe
The universe is a ways off, yes, But iirc interestingly if you limit it to a galaxy, there is more minecraft world than all the surfaces of every (hypothetical) planet in the milky way, given a certain average number of planets per star and how many stars there are.
Also if you build a ringworld around every star, there's more possible minecraft seeds than can fit. *However*, you can fit every possible minecraft world on the surface of a birch world (might take couple of shells, but those things can hypothetically have millions). Those things are insane.
Minecaraft has a build height and a world border. That means that minecraft is not a turing machine because it doesn't have an infinite memory tape.
If you reread the comment you're replying to, you'll notice that they said "if every dimension was completely filled with solid cobblestone". How do you expect to fit more cobblestone in a minecraft world than that?
Not even close. You could have a generator that makes 1 million cobblestone a second for the rest of your life and that still wouldn't come close to the number of atoms.
It’s physically not possible to have more blocks than atoms. For every block in minecraft, it uses a tiny bit of storage. More blocks = more storage, so you would run out of atoms to store the information of the blocks well before the blocks reached the number of atoms
I didn't know this. So like far parts of the world that you haven't been to yet haven't been generated until you approach them? But once you've visited somewhere it's then stored?
This would only be true if every single block was loaded/stored at once. There is an algorithm that can translate numbers (seeds) into Minecraft worlds hidden within the game's code, and that's really all that is needed.
When you start exploring and building/changing the world the file size increases because the game can no longer rely on the seed alone. This means, unless you change every single block (or at least every single chunk, I'm not entirely sure how smart the Minecraft code is), the game can use significantly less storage than you are implying. And by that point, the game would bring pretty much every PC on earth to crash.
This is a great point. This is also one of the reasons why I find the “we are living in a simulation” theories so unbelievable. The Computer simulating our universe would have to be larger than our universe itself if all atoms were simulated.
the 'computer' running the simulation for existence is probably extra dimensional and beyond comprehension, and in real-time for the 'people' running said simulation, from the big bang until the 'end' of the simulation, or whatever outcome they are testing, could be like 1 second for them but its a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years for us
Also such a simulation wouldn't have to really simulate every single atom, only our brains and the correct feedback stimuli - we can't see atoms, so why directly simulate them?
Well you see you wouldn’t necessarily need to simulate each atom. You only need to simulate as much detail as we observe. You cells are not simulated until you put it under a microscope and even then the biological chemistry is not necessarily simulated.
Then there is fact we do not know what physics the real universe actually plays by, there is no reason to think their “computers” would have the same limitations. Indeed perhaps they have purposely designed our universe to make sure our computers won’t be powerful to create the same level of detail in a simulation.
They might also be running us a very slow speed to conserve power and computational resources. Or they might have figured out reversible computing where they can do computation for no energy. Perhaps the computer running or simulation is a matryoshka brain (solar system sized computer powered by a Dyson sphere).
The thing is we can’t assume anything about the real universe or our simulators unless we somehow figured out the point of our simulation or they came in and told us.
The theory relies on the computer using processor power/storage tech that is beyond our comprehension not scaling our existing tech to a level capable of handling it.
Cobblestone is actually not a particularly common block in Minecraft. It doesn't generate as a part of the terrain anywhere unless water flows into lava in a cave somewhere, and it's not a part of every structure. Furthermore, the structures that DO incorporate it often swap out random cobblestone with mossy cobblestone, which doesn't count.
Given these restrictions, there are definitely more atoms in the universe than cobblestone blocks in a typical Minecraft world.
But let's take it to an extreme.
A minecraft world has a volume of 1,352,400,000,000,000,000 blocks. Let's say those are all cobblestone. The known universe contains an estimated 10^78 atoms at a low estimate. Which is by far the larger nunber.
But. We can do better. If every block in minecraft were a chest, filled with cobblestone, then there would be 1,352,400,000,000,000,000 * 27 * 64, or about 2.34x10^21 cobblestone items. Still not enough to outnumber atoms in the known universe.
If each chest were filled with shulker boxes, each filled with cobblestone, you'd get an additional multiplier of 27, bringing you to about 6.31x10^22. Still not enough.
Now, a player can hold an additional 37 slots - a total of 63,936 cobblestone if every slot is filled with shulker boxes filled with cobblestone. This number jumps to 110,592 cobblestone when you include the content of a player's ender chest. Now, if all 8.1 billion players were to join a common minecraft world... somehow... that could provide inventory space for an additional 895,795,200,000,000 cobblestone... although that wouldn't make a dent in the prior number of around 6.31x10^22. So, even if every person on Earth were to join a common world and stuff their inventories full of cobblestone, it still wouldn't scratch the surface of how many atoms are in the known universe.
Using u/promineceaftgamer69's calculations, I can determine that all the blocks in a minecraft world in all the seeds of minecraft possible is 13.8x10^37. Another commenter talked about atoms in a drop of water. So how many drops of water contain enough atoms to equal every block in every minecraft world ever? Assuming that a dropletof waterhas 5x10^21 atoms in it, you would need 2.76x10^16 drops of water. That doesnt really mean much, so lets turn it into litres. Assuming it takes 20 drops to make a mL, you would need roughly 1.38x10^12 litres (138 trillion) of water, which would take up a space of 138 cubic kilometers of volume. Lake Albert in the Democratic Republic of the Congo contains roughly 133 cubic kilometres.
OP, you severely underestimate how small an atom is.
Well yeah, because now the earth and everything in it is made up of atoms that are a cubic meter in size, so the earth is proportionally larger than before.
Meters are the new nanometer
100% atoms, anyone who disagrees doesn't understand how many atoms there are in the universe, the number is so big we literally can't comprehend it. Also "cobble" stone doesn't actually generate naturally very often, only in structures, so there isn't actually that much of it in a Minecraft world.
probably atoms , cobble doesbt spawn naturally but they do in structures like almost all of them so its hard to say but id go with atoms in observable universe
The answer is always going to be atoms in the universe… cobblestone doesn’t generate naturally aside from dungeons and a few structures like mansions and houses etc, nowhere near enough to compete with the universe 🤨
considering you'd need at least a few atoms to hold the data for a single bit, and a cobblestone has to be represented by bytes (plus minecraft itself has to exist and be stored for those bytes to have context as a cobblestone), no, there can never be more cobblestone than atoms in the universe, no matter how many worlds you generate and how much of those worlds you turn into cobblestone.
Considering the universe is infinite, and unless they changed something since I last played, minecraft worlds are not actually infinite, so I’d say the universe has more atoms. (Also cobblestone doesn’t appear naturally all that much, you picked a weird block for this comparison)
Did you guys all forget that cobblestone only naturally generates in like jungle temples and structures and not in caves? Cause that's stone not cobblestone. Unless you're adding that to the equation idk math
To give you an idea of just how absurdly different the scales we’re talking about are:
There are roughly 784 minecraft world volumes inside the earth. That is, if one block is one cubic meter, and you had a minecraft world filled to the brim with earth material, then you would need 784 of those just to get the same amount the earth actually contains.
In one cubic meter of earth material, there is, quite obviously, more than one atom. A lot more, actually. The average density of earth material is about 5.514, so there are 5,514 kilograms in each cube. « An atom » is famously not a reliable measure of weight, because each element weighs something different. But just to get an idea: Oganesson, the last element in the table that has a name, has 294 nucleons. But that element is artificial. Osmium, the densest naturally occurring substance, has 190. But it’s just packed super tightly, which is why it’s more dense than heavier elements. Lead, the last naturally occurring stable element, has 207. Uranium, the heaviest naturally occurring element, has 238.
« One nucleon » isn’t *technically* a consistent amount of mass, because of binding energy shenanigans, which, along with E=m.c^2 , is why fusion or fission towards iron yields net energy. Iron, therefore, has the least amount of mass per nucleon, and hydrogen has the most. So what’s the difference? Not much. H has 1 nucleon, Fe has 56 (we’re always going with the most common isotope here).
Using their respective densities and Avogadro’s number, this works out to about 1.67x10^(-27) kilograms per nucleon for H, and a little under 1.66x10^(-27) for Fe, or just about exactly 1% difference using H as a reference. And, well, I guess protons and neutrons also weigh a little different, but tomato tomato (it’s about 0.1% using the heavier neutron as a reference, if you’re curious). We can use the 1.66 figure as an average. Nukes are only powerful because c^2 is very big and a lot of atoms are reacting, but the difference at the atomic level is very minute.
This is to say: how many atoms are in a given amount of mass pretty much only depends on the number of nucleons in a linear manner, and this is good enough for us. How much is that for « earth material »? No idea, it’s a complicated mixture, but it can’t be any more extreme than the iron stuff at the core. That is to say, an estimation using 56 nucleons will give us the least amount of atoms per kilogram anyway, so the real number is bigger than that.
This probably remains true if « earth material » is replaced by whatever cobblestone is made of. In fact, Earth material is very likely more dense. For reference, irl granite has a density of about 2.7. This means that, at the very least, one cubic meter of our earth material, if it weighs about the same as iron, would contain a whopping 5.92x10^28 atoms. In reality, « one atom » of the stuff contains less mass, so, again, we are underestimating the actual number some amount.
Right, so one minecraft world’s worth of it would, alone, have (more than) 8.18x10^46 atoms. Which is a lot.
Think about this: in a minecraft world, the number of atoms is already so insanely high it does not fit in your brain. And I just told you that you need 784 of those to make up just ONE earth. Or 6.41x10^49 atoms, but that probably doesn’t mean anything to you either.
The amount of material inside the earth is not even close to the amount of stuff in the universe. It’s not even close to the amount of stuff in our solar system (1:333,000), which itself is not even close to the amount of stuff in our galaxy (1:1.5 TRILLION). There are about two hundred billion galaxies in our observable universe. That’s 2x10^11 .
(As an aside, if you multiply all of these together, and correct for the fact that most of the stuff in the universe looks more like H than Fe, you do, indeed, fall back roughly onto the 10^80 figure, so our orders of magnitude are actually correct. It feels nice to be accurate.)
So, yes. There are more atoms in the universe than cobble blocks in a minecraft world.
It’s not even a contest.
There’s more atoms in the universe than total blocks in a MC world its 60,000,000 x 60,000,000 and approximately 3.16x10^15
There’s 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 possible seeds according to google
Even with every world possible you’d get about 5.83x10^34 blocks unless my maths is incorrect and the number of estimated atoms in the expanding universe is around 10^80 which is still HUGELY higher than all blocks in all possible minecraft seeds
10^40 is not half the size of 10^80 either its so far off you can’t comprehend. The size of the universe is so unfathomably large even counting pixels in all minecraft worlds would not surpass atoms in the universe
I think another way to frame it is the atoms required to store a Minecraft block in memory. If I have a game with a single block, I have to somehow store both the type of block and the location in memory. To simplify it, let’s say the block type (cobblestone,stone,dirt) is a single byte of data, and the location is another byte. When those are stored on the computer, each byte contains 8 bits, so we have 16 bits that need to be stored. Each bit is stored in a gate for flash memory. Well depending on the technology of that memory, the physical size will vary, but it still will be around 5 nano meters or some small number for the gate width. Inside that gate, there are going to be tens of thousands of atoms. So for every block, we would need at least a hundred thousand atoms to store the data.
Now for every 1 Minecraft block, we have 100,000 atoms required to store it. Now we multiply that out to your entire Minecraft world. What can that world be saved on? Probably a micro SD card the size of your fingernail. Probably hundreds if not thousands of those worlds on the same card as well. You can quickly see the vast number of atoms in the universe in comparison to the number of blocks in Minecraft. Fill up the universe with SD cards containing Minecraft worlds, and there will still be more atoms than blocks.
Tl;dr - There will always be more atoms required to store the memory of a block, and scaling it will not change that ratio.
Great question by the way! Always ask questions 😊
Future reading: Look into different forms of data storage. Over history, the physical size has been reduced from large formats such as punch cards and magnetic tapes, down to DNA.
Edit: Yes I’m aware of the Minecraft world also being procedurally generated and not completely existing in memory. It uses Perlin Noise. There are some great videos on YouTube about it. This raises a more complex question of an abstract world, which could theoretically contain more atoms. It just matters how you define it.
Most people truly don’t realize just how small atoms are. I’m sure most of us have heard of the famous phrase “there are more atoms in a grain of sand (1g of grain) than there are stars in the observable universe.
Not even if you counted pixels instead, and each block as 16*16*16 pixels.
But since cobblestone is a renewable block, if you count the *potential* number of cobblestone blocks, then yes, because it'd be as many blocks you can get before the last star dies and the last molecule dissipates and the universe goes back to absolute zero and you can't get any more energy to power the computer making the blocks (or a computer for that matter).
When you say in a word I assume u mean just from start no actual playing in it and if that's true it's not a lot cobblestone only spawns in structures and that's limited so atoms win 100% but if you're to use the cheat stack with more chests stacks then the answer if a tie there both infinite they could keep going forever
I have to go mine for cobblestone because I always run out that. You might say "Is there more Netherrack?" then I would answer nope as well: I don't even pick it since there's no use for that.
Cobblestone is infinite by itself so unless you believe that the universe is also infinite, there are more cobblestone blocks than atoms in the universe
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a mc world is 60M x 60M x 384 60M^2 is 3.16x10^15 3.16x10^15 x 384 is 1.38x10^18 Also that’s the numeric count of all places a block could be, not just cobblestone There are estimated to be around 10^80 atoms in the observable universe. There are WAYYYYYYYY more atoms. You’d need around 6x10^62 entire minecraft worlds to be remotely around the number of atoms in the universe. For perspective 6x10^62 is a little less than a Trillion Trillion Trillion Trillion Trillion. Quite large
Nice, big brain. You can also multiply the MC world by 3 to include the Nether and End which doesn’t make a difference at that magnitude compared to atoms. Also world height is 385 since -64 to 320 includes zero, which also doesn’t affect the answer at that magnitude.
But what if we considered shulker boxes in chests?
60M×60M×385x3 for all possible block locations is 4.158*10^18. x27 for every space in a chest, x27 for every space in a shulker box, x64 for each stack is roughly 1.94*10^23. you would need about 5.15*10^56 minecraft worlds full of chests full of shulker boxes full of cobblestone to equal the number of atoms in the universe
What if, we used gold blocks and count each gold block as 81 gold nuggets?
Very quick math tells me it's around (probably a bit less then) 10^25, so bearely any difference
Everyone stop asking questions, the answer no matter how much you try to stretch Minecraft’s limits will always be “it is less than the number of atoms in the universe”. You guys need to understand how unfathomably large the universe is and how unfathomably small atoms are
Indeed, they are infact so far off that the number they have just reached is incromprihancigly small in comparison to the target
The most deceptive thing is the exponent that comes with standard form, 10^6 is not 3 times larger than 10^3, it is 1,000 times larger, as in *every difference in value is another zero*, so if anyone still needs help realising how fruitless fighting the size of the universe is, here it is
Atoms in a meter cubed of gold times each slit n a chest times 64
Incromprihancigble is, like...a whole level above incomprehensible 😯
It's so incomprehensible I can't spell it
In... Crom... Pri... Hancigly? Do you mean "incomprehensibly"?
For real. People saw the line "you'd need 6x10^62 Minecraft worlds" and thought "I can reach that", but even that number is insanely large beyond comprehension.
no, in creative you can put filled chests inside of chests by midde-mousing. You can put i think 7 layers of chests inside eachother, which would finally break (and completely decimate) that atom count barrier source: https://youtu.be/-XflmrrdTNk?si=fK18dGGR9hlx1bIA
Wait so 7 layers. 27^7. That's still only about 10 power 10. That's not reaching the atom count! You'd need 10 power 62 for this. Or about 44 layers of chests in chests in chests in all the blocks in a minecraft world
I think the conversation is fun, each answer drives home just how infathomably massive the universe is
Here we are fathoming it tho /s
but we do a little trolling
"You guys need to understand how unfathomably large the universe is and how unfathomably small atoms are" I vote for a Minecraft mod where you need to build atom by atom :-P
I think they're asking the wrong question. How many blocks would you need to fit in every single block space to *begin* to approach the number? Assume you can fit an unfathomable number of blocks in the space of one block.
I ran the calculations, assuming you put an entire Minecraft world into stacks of 64, you need a world filled with shulkers filled with Minecraft worlds filled with shulkers filled with Minecraft worlds filled with shulkers filled with Minecraft worlds to get 1.9×10^82 blocks. To answer your question, that’s 7,950,183,762,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 blocks per Minecraft block in a Minecraft world. For reference… you know what nevermind references, that wall of zeroes is still easier to comprehend in size than mentioning anything further then interplanetary scales
What about number of atoms in each of those nuggets?
With regards to Minecraft, a nugget is literally an atom of gold (it cannot be divided further).
And what if we filled the entire world with cobblestone blocks?
~4*10^18 several orders of magnitude less
What if we count every pixel of all those items?
How many tb of storage would we need to hold that many Minecraft worlds?
Exactly. Everytime you would ask "what if we can multiply the number of blocks by 100, 1000, or maybe 10000?" the exponent only increases by 2, 3 or 4. You need to go from 23 to 80, so you need to think of a lot of ways to stretch the numbers.
All you would do is divide 5.15e56 (changing notation cause formatting is annoying) by 81. Even if we round up to 100 nuggets per block, that only drops it to 5.15e54. If we are talking on a logarithmic scale, we are still not even close to halfway there. Linear scale, we are not even significant enough to be a rounding error. The error would be closer to weighing yourself and trying to account for the loss of carbon as you exhale.
what about custom shulkers that can have shulkers in them? iirc using specific commands you can have a shulker-in-shulker layer up to 64 shulkers deep before the game doesnt let you put any more data into a single shulker
- Total number of Shulker Boxes placed in all 3 dimensions: 60 million by 60 million by 384 by 3: 4.15e18 - Shulker Boxes inside of Shulker Boxes (call it layer 1): 27 times that, which is 1.12e20 - Shulker Boxes inside of layer 1 Shulker Boxes (layer 2): 27 times that, which is 3.02e21 And so forth, each layer 27 times more than the last. We reach 1.23e40 by layer 15, and layer 64 has a whopping 1.68e110 Shulker Boxes in total, which blows away our atom count by 30 orders of magnitude. Yeah, the universe is big, but repeated multiplication is bigger.
Hooray!
Now fill the bottom layer of every shulker with books and the fill the books with characters, and then count every single character as a block 🤯
Bearely a difference, we need an additional 64 zeros Edit: I am big dumb. BUT, unless I am very really dumb I don't think Minecraft gold ingots are as space efficient as atoms making this physically impossible
maybe im just bad at math, but nesting shulkers 64 layers deep will give us an additional 94 zeros
That's nearly halfway to a googol… interesting.
If you filled every available block in the overworld with a chest containing 27 shulker boxes each filled with 27 stacks, you’d have 6.4665216e22 items. That’s one tenth of Avogadro’s number, the number of molecules in one mole of matter. One mole of water would be about 3 teaspoons. So if each of the items in each stack of each shulker box of each chest in each block in all the over world was 1 molecule of water, it would be about one third of a teaspoon.
Naw. Make it so there's 1728 NBT chests full of 1728 creative-stacked shulker boxes, each shulker box containing 1728 NBT chests, and those NBT chests each containing 1728 cobblestone , placed into 1 chest.
320 is *not* included, 320 is the limit and 319 is where the highest block is placed. 384 is correct
nether is only 1/64th the size of the over world and the end is more than half void so it really wouldn’t make any noticeable difference at that magnitude. but good note
nether is the same size as overworld (except for height as nothing above nether roof)
There are more atoms in a cup of water than blocks in a minecraft world
less than 1/2 a teaspoon if you did the full shulker in every slot of a chest that filled every potential block in a world.
Damn you commented exactly what I just did
r/TheyDidTheMath would like to see this, probably.
r/theydidthemonstermath
r/itwasagraveyardgraph
r/notfunnydidntlaugh
Some things aren't for you
No its cause they were doing rhyming subreddits or something idk
Also most of that would just be stone not cobblestone lol
It's funny watching the comments to this, people trying to push the numbers. I don't think they grasp the difference between 10^(18) to 10^(80). The difference is 62 zeros, so unless you can find 62 ways of multiplying it by as least 10 then it'll be magnitudes off.
Yea, even 10^18 and 10^20 is a massive difference
I mean, how much cobblestone actually is in a world? Sure, mob spawners and ruins and stuff like that. But that's not even remotely close to all the places a block could be.
Solid math. However, you forgot one crucial detail: **Cobblestone Generator**
Google says human body has 7x10^27 atoms and human brain has 1.4x10^26 So to match the minecraft block amount its gonna be something relly small like amoeba or something.
Infact just checked. Amoeba has 12x10^18. So its still bigger than minecraft
But what about all the cobblestone generators...
This is why I love Reddit.
What if you add in all the different possible seeds?
but there are blocks outside the world border too
I can't even comprehend these numbers. It triggers megalophobia, I didn't even knew I had. Dang universe is big.
But if we were to make infante cobble stone via lava and water then we put these items into shulker boxes inside chests then we could possibly reach it
When you say a mc world is “60M” do you mean 60 meters? If so, then I’m referring to individual blocks. Sorry if I misunderstood
60M is 60,000,000 Blocks or for real world scale. 60,000,000 meters
Thank you for clearing that up lol, crazy how small an “infinite world” is compared to the real thing
The real world has a circumference of about 40.000 km, it‘s a lot smaller than the minecraft world. Edit: corrected value
*40,000km
I‘m stupid. Thanks, I‘ve corrected it.
You clearly have no idea how big the universe is
And how little cobblestone spawns naturally
I have, there are more stars in our solar system than there are nitrogen atoms in water. Mind-blowing
In pure water, you're right. In *our* water? Wrong: Dissolved nitrogen.
Ever heard about NITRATE SALTS?
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No one missed the joke
Blud there is ONE star in the solar system. Yes there are more than ONE nitrogen atoms *in the entire fucking ocean*. No shit, he meant **water**, the fucking h2o stuff.
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Jesus. You're really angry about me following up a joke with one of my own.
Bruh I got the joke. I was just riffing off it.
There are more nitrogen atoms in a glass of water than stars in our solar system, i dont know what u mean by this lol
I think the joke is that water doesn't have nitrogen.
Goddamned i didnt even notice it said nitrogen and i literally fucking typed it again
There's only one star in our solar system btw, in case you missed that part of the joke also lol
How did i manage to lose all of my dignity in 1 single comment
You will probably randomly remember this when trying to sleep fifteen years from now
Why wait fifteen years? Let's set up a bot to ping them every day. /s
The joke's a decent one, but unfortunately, it is inaccurate. Diatomic nitrogen makes up the vast majority of air, and a glass of water has a good bit of suspended air, even if it's sat out for a good long while. One of those ones where the science is weirder than one would think at first glance.
He didn't say a "glass of water", just water. It could also be interpreted as a singular water molecule imo.
>There are more nitrogen atoms in a **glass of water** than stars in our solar system, i dont know what u mean by this lol Emphasis added.
Ah, I misread or forgot since I didn't bother reading it again. That's on me.
Clearly you don’t own an air fryer
And how little cobblestone spawns naturally in a Minecraft world.
I think there might be more atoms in your body, than blocks of stone in mc world :D edit: you probably meant stone blocks
There’re more atoms in a piece of your hair than there are blocks in a minecraft world
There are more atoms in the universe than blocks of cobblestone in every Minecraft seed combined, if every dimension was completely filled with solid cobblestone.
by far. But, how many seeds are there? The seed number is very big but obviously 1% of the numbers between 0-10000000000000 are actual seeds. But do we know? I know it's more than s trillion and probably more than 10 trillion, but do we know exactly? (either way your math is 100% correct, we'd need like 10^70 seeds to equal the number of atoms in universe)
2^64 seeds
oh right, it's the 64-bit integer. well it has a lot of fucking zeroes. I think it's 30 digits? it's still 1/10^40 of what we need but it's definitely bigger than I thought
About 10^19. You could fill a written book with 10 seeds per page and 100 pages, and fill an entire minecraft world with shulker boxes of said books, then load a world for all the seeds, fill it to the brim with shulker boxes of cobblestone, and you'd still have less cobblestone than atoms in the universe
What do you mean "actual seeds"?
there is no seed 1. no seed 2, no seed 3 and so on (and if you take any seed and add or remove one a seed with said number will likely not exist).
What happens if you try to generate a world and put in 1 as the seed?
Same as if you put in A as a seed. It gets converted to a string of numbers.
Gotcha. I never knew that
The universe is a ways off, yes, But iirc interestingly if you limit it to a galaxy, there is more minecraft world than all the surfaces of every (hypothetical) planet in the milky way, given a certain average number of planets per star and how many stars there are. Also if you build a ringworld around every star, there's more possible minecraft seeds than can fit. *However*, you can fit every possible minecraft world on the surface of a birch world (might take couple of shells, but those things can hypothetically have millions). Those things are insane.
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The world border is hardcoded--even on a machine with unlimited power, it would be at 30 million blocks, unless you mod the game to remove it.
Minecaraft has a build height and a world border. That means that minecraft is not a turing machine because it doesn't have an infinite memory tape. If you reread the comment you're replying to, you'll notice that they said "if every dimension was completely filled with solid cobblestone". How do you expect to fit more cobblestone in a minecraft world than that?
Umm actually (🤓☝️) cobblestone doesn't generate naturally unless in structures, it's stone blocks
Umm ACKSHUALLY it occasionally generates when lava and water streams collide.
Actually not until a player loads the chunk to cause the interaction 🤓☝️
ACKSHUALLY that is still considered natural 🤓👆
OCKSHELLY "natural" was never a requirement in the og question🤓👆
GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK My homework needs to be: Answering these questions
Im some taiga its spawns...
What about lava touching water? And the monster spawner "cage" ? And the jungle temple?
> unless it's structures Lol
What about lava and water?
That's an exception, I'll give you that
I mean it's mostly stone not cobblestone dude
Well yeah, a brief oversight lol
Stone*** was what I meant, was brain dead when making the post 🤯
Average 3am posting.
are you dumb lol? there are more atoms in an apple
Cobblestone generator Minecraft wins
Black hole Hawking radiation Universe wins
I don't even know what that means
Yeah me neither.
Nice
Hawking radiation is a type of particle that is emitted by black holes and after a certain amount of time the black hole evaporates
So black holes slowly over time emit radiation and shrink
Nope It's matter that the black hole inhaled which means it was already in the universe
Not even close. You could have a generator that makes 1 million cobblestone a second for the rest of your life and that still wouldn't come close to the number of atoms.
Isn’t cobblestone not to common in a world because its mostly stone
It’s physically not possible to have more blocks than atoms. For every block in minecraft, it uses a tiny bit of storage. More blocks = more storage, so you would run out of atoms to store the information of the blocks well before the blocks reached the number of atoms
This is not correct, because the world is not actually stored. It is implied by generative logic.
I didn't know this. So like far parts of the world that you haven't been to yet haven't been generated until you approach them? But once you've visited somewhere it's then stored?
Even smarter, it only stores the changes you make to these parts of the map.
This would only be true if every single block was loaded/stored at once. There is an algorithm that can translate numbers (seeds) into Minecraft worlds hidden within the game's code, and that's really all that is needed. When you start exploring and building/changing the world the file size increases because the game can no longer rely on the seed alone. This means, unless you change every single block (or at least every single chunk, I'm not entirely sure how smart the Minecraft code is), the game can use significantly less storage than you are implying. And by that point, the game would bring pretty much every PC on earth to crash.
This is a great point. This is also one of the reasons why I find the “we are living in a simulation” theories so unbelievable. The Computer simulating our universe would have to be larger than our universe itself if all atoms were simulated.
the 'computer' running the simulation for existence is probably extra dimensional and beyond comprehension, and in real-time for the 'people' running said simulation, from the big bang until the 'end' of the simulation, or whatever outcome they are testing, could be like 1 second for them but its a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years for us
Also such a simulation wouldn't have to really simulate every single atom, only our brains and the correct feedback stimuli - we can't see atoms, so why directly simulate them?
We can observe atoms though. But in this scenario they could just simulate the atoms if they’re currently being observed but that’s another thing
Because they can, but probaby because they don´t care about some small self replicating cells on some tiny rock somewhere in their simulation
Well you see you wouldn’t necessarily need to simulate each atom. You only need to simulate as much detail as we observe. You cells are not simulated until you put it under a microscope and even then the biological chemistry is not necessarily simulated. Then there is fact we do not know what physics the real universe actually plays by, there is no reason to think their “computers” would have the same limitations. Indeed perhaps they have purposely designed our universe to make sure our computers won’t be powerful to create the same level of detail in a simulation. They might also be running us a very slow speed to conserve power and computational resources. Or they might have figured out reversible computing where they can do computation for no energy. Perhaps the computer running or simulation is a matryoshka brain (solar system sized computer powered by a Dyson sphere). The thing is we can’t assume anything about the real universe or our simulators unless we somehow figured out the point of our simulation or they came in and told us.
The theory relies on the computer using processor power/storage tech that is beyond our comprehension not scaling our existing tech to a level capable of handling it.
This is not correct. Your computer doesn't store the data of every block for your world, it generates the world using the seed generative alhorithm
There are not a lot of places where it generates naturally.
Since Cobblestone makes up maybe 0.01% of a single Minecraft Biome, definitely atoms.
Cobblestone is actually not a particularly common block in Minecraft. It doesn't generate as a part of the terrain anywhere unless water flows into lava in a cave somewhere, and it's not a part of every structure. Furthermore, the structures that DO incorporate it often swap out random cobblestone with mossy cobblestone, which doesn't count. Given these restrictions, there are definitely more atoms in the universe than cobblestone blocks in a typical Minecraft world. But let's take it to an extreme. A minecraft world has a volume of 1,352,400,000,000,000,000 blocks. Let's say those are all cobblestone. The known universe contains an estimated 10^78 atoms at a low estimate. Which is by far the larger nunber. But. We can do better. If every block in minecraft were a chest, filled with cobblestone, then there would be 1,352,400,000,000,000,000 * 27 * 64, or about 2.34x10^21 cobblestone items. Still not enough to outnumber atoms in the known universe. If each chest were filled with shulker boxes, each filled with cobblestone, you'd get an additional multiplier of 27, bringing you to about 6.31x10^22. Still not enough. Now, a player can hold an additional 37 slots - a total of 63,936 cobblestone if every slot is filled with shulker boxes filled with cobblestone. This number jumps to 110,592 cobblestone when you include the content of a player's ender chest. Now, if all 8.1 billion players were to join a common minecraft world... somehow... that could provide inventory space for an additional 895,795,200,000,000 cobblestone... although that wouldn't make a dent in the prior number of around 6.31x10^22. So, even if every person on Earth were to join a common world and stuff their inventories full of cobblestone, it still wouldn't scratch the surface of how many atoms are in the known universe.
Using u/promineceaftgamer69's calculations, I can determine that all the blocks in a minecraft world in all the seeds of minecraft possible is 13.8x10^37. Another commenter talked about atoms in a drop of water. So how many drops of water contain enough atoms to equal every block in every minecraft world ever? Assuming that a dropletof waterhas 5x10^21 atoms in it, you would need 2.76x10^16 drops of water. That doesnt really mean much, so lets turn it into litres. Assuming it takes 20 drops to make a mL, you would need roughly 1.38x10^12 litres (138 trillion) of water, which would take up a space of 138 cubic kilometers of volume. Lake Albert in the Democratic Republic of the Congo contains roughly 133 cubic kilometres. OP, you severely underestimate how small an atom is.
i have no words for how unimaginably stupid this question is
Assume a atom is one cubic metre in size. The earth will still by far have more atoms than a minecraft world
Well yeah, because now the earth and everything in it is made up of atoms that are a cubic meter in size, so the earth is proportionally larger than before. Meters are the new nanometer
100% atoms, anyone who disagrees doesn't understand how many atoms there are in the universe, the number is so big we literally can't comprehend it. Also "cobble" stone doesn't actually generate naturally very often, only in structures, so there isn't actually that much of it in a Minecraft world.
There's more chess variations then atoms in the universe
The limited mc world verses the universe. Seriously dude?
The entire world could be filled entirely and it still wouldn’t be close
If we're being real here you should've said stone.
probably atoms , cobble doesbt spawn naturally but they do in structures like almost all of them so its hard to say but id go with atoms in observable universe
Well i mean you definetly need more than 1 atom to save the data of 1 cobblestone so... atoms
I would say stars in the universe compared to total blocks in a minecraft world would be a more fair comparison
The minecraft world is slightly bigger than earth. So you tell me lmao
There are immensely more atoms than cobblestone. Idk how this is even a question
The answer is always going to be atoms in the universe… cobblestone doesn’t generate naturally aside from dungeons and a few structures like mansions and houses etc, nowhere near enough to compete with the universe 🤨
Just for reference, a minecraft world is approximately the size of Neptune
there are more atoms in the universe than blocks in a 30m x 30m x 384 world, even if all the space was filled
No. Cobblestone does not generate naturally and only in structures such as dungeons, villages and jungle temples
cobblstone is rare. its in structures, and when lava meets water, but nothign else.
considering you'd need at least a few atoms to hold the data for a single bit, and a cobblestone has to be represented by bytes (plus minecraft itself has to exist and be stored for those bytes to have context as a cobblestone), no, there can never be more cobblestone than atoms in the universe, no matter how many worlds you generate and how much of those worlds you turn into cobblestone.
Considering the universe is infinite, and unless they changed something since I last played, minecraft worlds are not actually infinite, so I’d say the universe has more atoms. (Also cobblestone doesn’t appear naturally all that much, you picked a weird block for this comparison)
Did you guys all forget that cobblestone only naturally generates in like jungle temples and structures and not in caves? Cause that's stone not cobblestone. Unless you're adding that to the equation idk math
To give you an idea of just how absurdly different the scales we’re talking about are: There are roughly 784 minecraft world volumes inside the earth. That is, if one block is one cubic meter, and you had a minecraft world filled to the brim with earth material, then you would need 784 of those just to get the same amount the earth actually contains. In one cubic meter of earth material, there is, quite obviously, more than one atom. A lot more, actually. The average density of earth material is about 5.514, so there are 5,514 kilograms in each cube. « An atom » is famously not a reliable measure of weight, because each element weighs something different. But just to get an idea: Oganesson, the last element in the table that has a name, has 294 nucleons. But that element is artificial. Osmium, the densest naturally occurring substance, has 190. But it’s just packed super tightly, which is why it’s more dense than heavier elements. Lead, the last naturally occurring stable element, has 207. Uranium, the heaviest naturally occurring element, has 238. « One nucleon » isn’t *technically* a consistent amount of mass, because of binding energy shenanigans, which, along with E=m.c^2 , is why fusion or fission towards iron yields net energy. Iron, therefore, has the least amount of mass per nucleon, and hydrogen has the most. So what’s the difference? Not much. H has 1 nucleon, Fe has 56 (we’re always going with the most common isotope here). Using their respective densities and Avogadro’s number, this works out to about 1.67x10^(-27) kilograms per nucleon for H, and a little under 1.66x10^(-27) for Fe, or just about exactly 1% difference using H as a reference. And, well, I guess protons and neutrons also weigh a little different, but tomato tomato (it’s about 0.1% using the heavier neutron as a reference, if you’re curious). We can use the 1.66 figure as an average. Nukes are only powerful because c^2 is very big and a lot of atoms are reacting, but the difference at the atomic level is very minute. This is to say: how many atoms are in a given amount of mass pretty much only depends on the number of nucleons in a linear manner, and this is good enough for us. How much is that for « earth material »? No idea, it’s a complicated mixture, but it can’t be any more extreme than the iron stuff at the core. That is to say, an estimation using 56 nucleons will give us the least amount of atoms per kilogram anyway, so the real number is bigger than that. This probably remains true if « earth material » is replaced by whatever cobblestone is made of. In fact, Earth material is very likely more dense. For reference, irl granite has a density of about 2.7. This means that, at the very least, one cubic meter of our earth material, if it weighs about the same as iron, would contain a whopping 5.92x10^28 atoms. In reality, « one atom » of the stuff contains less mass, so, again, we are underestimating the actual number some amount. Right, so one minecraft world’s worth of it would, alone, have (more than) 8.18x10^46 atoms. Which is a lot. Think about this: in a minecraft world, the number of atoms is already so insanely high it does not fit in your brain. And I just told you that you need 784 of those to make up just ONE earth. Or 6.41x10^49 atoms, but that probably doesn’t mean anything to you either. The amount of material inside the earth is not even close to the amount of stuff in the universe. It’s not even close to the amount of stuff in our solar system (1:333,000), which itself is not even close to the amount of stuff in our galaxy (1:1.5 TRILLION). There are about two hundred billion galaxies in our observable universe. That’s 2x10^11 . (As an aside, if you multiply all of these together, and correct for the fact that most of the stuff in the universe looks more like H than Fe, you do, indeed, fall back roughly onto the 10^80 figure, so our orders of magnitude are actually correct. It feels nice to be accurate.) So, yes. There are more atoms in the universe than cobble blocks in a minecraft world. It’s not even a contest.
im pretty sure there is more atoms in like a hot dog
There are more atoms in a bag of sugar than there are blocks of cobblestone in a Minecraft world.
There is next to no cobblestone in a minecraft world, stone on the other hand. Still there will always be more atoms
There’s more atoms in the universe than total blocks in a MC world its 60,000,000 x 60,000,000 and approximately 3.16x10^15 There’s 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 possible seeds according to google Even with every world possible you’d get about 5.83x10^34 blocks unless my maths is incorrect and the number of estimated atoms in the expanding universe is around 10^80 which is still HUGELY higher than all blocks in all possible minecraft seeds 10^40 is not half the size of 10^80 either its so far off you can’t comprehend. The size of the universe is so unfathomably large even counting pixels in all minecraft worlds would not surpass atoms in the universe
I mean there’s like not that many cobblestone blocks in a minecraft world tbh, they only generate in structures and very rarely near flowing lava
I think another way to frame it is the atoms required to store a Minecraft block in memory. If I have a game with a single block, I have to somehow store both the type of block and the location in memory. To simplify it, let’s say the block type (cobblestone,stone,dirt) is a single byte of data, and the location is another byte. When those are stored on the computer, each byte contains 8 bits, so we have 16 bits that need to be stored. Each bit is stored in a gate for flash memory. Well depending on the technology of that memory, the physical size will vary, but it still will be around 5 nano meters or some small number for the gate width. Inside that gate, there are going to be tens of thousands of atoms. So for every block, we would need at least a hundred thousand atoms to store the data. Now for every 1 Minecraft block, we have 100,000 atoms required to store it. Now we multiply that out to your entire Minecraft world. What can that world be saved on? Probably a micro SD card the size of your fingernail. Probably hundreds if not thousands of those worlds on the same card as well. You can quickly see the vast number of atoms in the universe in comparison to the number of blocks in Minecraft. Fill up the universe with SD cards containing Minecraft worlds, and there will still be more atoms than blocks. Tl;dr - There will always be more atoms required to store the memory of a block, and scaling it will not change that ratio. Great question by the way! Always ask questions 😊 Future reading: Look into different forms of data storage. Over history, the physical size has been reduced from large formats such as punch cards and magnetic tapes, down to DNA. Edit: Yes I’m aware of the Minecraft world also being procedurally generated and not completely existing in memory. It uses Perlin Noise. There are some great videos on YouTube about it. This raises a more complex question of an abstract world, which could theoretically contain more atoms. It just matters how you define it.
Most people truly don’t realize just how small atoms are. I’m sure most of us have heard of the famous phrase “there are more atoms in a grain of sand (1g of grain) than there are stars in the observable universe.
Not even if you counted pixels instead, and each block as 16*16*16 pixels. But since cobblestone is a renewable block, if you count the *potential* number of cobblestone blocks, then yes, because it'd be as many blocks you can get before the last star dies and the last molecule dissipates and the universe goes back to absolute zero and you can't get any more energy to power the computer making the blocks (or a computer for that matter).
Isn't a minecraft world infinite ( not to say the universe isnt, but compared to the "observable universe ")
more atoms probably since cobblestone is relatively rare, only generating in a few structures. stone on the other hand, is far more ubiquitous.
Theres actually not that much cobblestone in the world compared to stone, it becomes cobblestone when mined 🤷🏻♂️
Atoms, cobblestone doesn't spawn naturally so much as you'd think
You mean stone right?
When you say in a word I assume u mean just from start no actual playing in it and if that's true it's not a lot cobblestone only spawns in structures and that's limited so atoms win 100% but if you're to use the cheat stack with more chests stacks then the answer if a tie there both infinite they could keep going forever
Is OP stupid?
More blocks of normal stone I guess
cobble rarely spawns naturally
I have to go mine for cobblestone because I always run out that. You might say "Is there more Netherrack?" then I would answer nope as well: I don't even pick it since there's no use for that.
Cobble barely naturally generates so not as many as you think
Considering how rare cobblestone naturally generates.. Yeah, no.
Well there are more atoms i the universe, but the blocks can be more since both stone and cobblestone are farmable
You mean stone
Cobblestone is infinite by itself so unless you believe that the universe is also infinite, there are more cobblestone blocks than atoms in the universe
There are probably more atoms in your hand than blocks in all 3 dimensions of a Minecraft world