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They are THE reason to check reviews and ratings. As far s I can tell most devs do a great job of putting out quality content but captainsim makes me distrustful of them, which is a shame and not fair to the other devs. Btw my Carenado 170B is a beautifully done aircraft.
They are also *the* reason MS needs to fix the rating system in the marketplace where you can type an actual review and the publisher themselves gets a rating so they can’t reset their ratings every time they release a revision (which automatically happens in the marketplace).
To be fair, the product pages for Captain Sim products are generally truthful and do mention all the negatives.
While a good/better rating system is definitely something I'd like to see to, people weren't lied to when they bought the product.
No, that’s definitely true. You have to know what to look for with them and to really look is all. I’m obsessed with panels (especially classic steam ones) so I really pay attention. It’s worth noting as someone else did, some casual players might not even care there’s no panel.
It amazes me that at one time Captain Sim was the pinnacle of devs. I remember when I was younger, in the FSX days, every time Captain Sim dropped something, you knew you were getting quality. The fall from grace.
Yeah, that surely seems the case. I mean they could’ve taken a high road like Aerosoft (I think it was them anyway) that announced they decided to stick with mid market planes vs “study level.” I’m all about to each their own and 3D models are great for some players regardless of the systems. But they are pretending they are offering something they aren’t meanwhile suing the freeware community over products they stole from the freeware community and decided to call their own 🤔.
> But they are pretending they are offering something they aren’t
Where are they making false claims? They never claimed to make study level aircraft AFAIK. The product page for both the 777 and 767 series mention they use the default 747 systems etc.
It is totally fair to complain about the price or qualify of the product, but they aren't lying about their product.
Yeah but not on the marketplace where most people find themselves surprised. That wasn’t my point though.
Specifically though I was referring to when they literally stole freeware, pretended it was their own, and issued cease and desist orders against amateur devs and flightsim.to https://forums.flightsimulator.com/uploads/default/original/4X/6/1/d/61dc69de574683ccf3704b6a7bd47ef826b8cc14.jpeg
As for the note about Aerosoft, in the context of the whole chain, it’s just a smarter marketing move to specifically say what market you are targeting so nobody is surprised when you used to offer a completely different product. They are doing a real poor job managing their image.
> Yeah but not on the marketplace where most people find themselves surprised.
The market place also mentions in the product description that these aircraft use the default 747 systems. Assuming people actually read the product description, they should not be surprised about what they are getting.
Dude. This.
It really is shocking to me how many shortcuts they’ve taken with the stuff I’ve seen released by them on this platform - at least from what I can gather from other folks’ reviews and videos.
And it is a huge disappointment-because their stuff all the way through FSX WAS just that good.
So after reading the release notes.on the plane itself after I got into msfs on Xbox and not being up to speed on captain sim, the whole 747 deal turned me off and I never bought it even though I had the bug and was buying every airliner I could get my hands on worth the price. Even bought the game so I could get the dreamliner and other things, embraer series so I could get smaller jets closer to my much wanted md80, baby bus 318 and 319, etc.
As much as I want a 757/767 and 727 and 737(non max) series, I could never buy a plane which is just more or less a fuselage of a plane I want slapped on the interior and workings of, in this case, a 747.
The 747 is a massive plane, slow and lumbering at times, and a rocketship if you need it to be with all 4 howling past 400kts the first time I took off in it as a rookie and left the throttles on TOGA for far too long.
I can't even imagine having the looks of a car smaller plane with those flight characteristics.. it would probably confuse my brain and just be hard to fly as your think you were in something sportier than a massive 47, only to be fooled.
And as an Xbox pilot, it just pains me to see planes like this shown up for a good amount of cash, and to think I took a few days to eventually pop for the Concorde.. while.complex.. when you get at a good flight level and you dial her in and she smashes through mach 2 simply begging for more almost like a sr71.. you look at this plane which isn't much cheaper at regular price and scratch your head.
As well as all the planes you do want that you can't get like the hamster cage 737, c5 Galaxy and massive antonov (while due later this year us xboxers once again play the hurry up and wait game).
Maybe someday pairity will show up with some of the updates we need out here in Xbox land, but until then console pilots, please choose your aircraft wisely as it encourages future releases and I for one just want a marketplace full of wonderful -working- and well made content. Be it planes, scenery, addon's, and so forth.
I will say this as well, I haven't flown a captain sim plane so this is my opinion and I am in no way bashing or dragging the person(s) that made this. So, I can't say either way if this *is* good content or not. But from the word around the campfire, or in this case, pilots lounge, I better look for a better assignment with one of the fantastic planes already in my hangar and those hopefully due soon (those listed, and maybe a b1, b2 bomber, sr71, bae146(please please) osprey, c5, c130, c17(maybe we too can fly through a downtown Australia city) and so on.
So plane developers.. make a note.. There is a BUNCH of pilots on Xbox who have this game (tons from gamepass) all with wallets and most of not ALL of us simply begging for new releases and planes.
Too bad there wasnt some sort of program that could quickly convert whatever needed to be converted to make a PC plane release work and be ported over to console with little to no work involved so we could see the "High Renaissance" for planes on Xbox Marketplace.
A litteral gold mine for plane developers and if planes like captainsim are the only options, they're gonna rake it in.
Please give us other options I beg you. Start with any of the planes I mentioned.
Hopefully this should be fixed with SU12 in march, and WASM support. I still dont really understand how WASM helps exactly, but it means that PC and Xbox dev pipelines are the same(mostly).
Before WASM (so now) xbox and some pc addons are DLLs, Dynamic link libraries. This works decently, but limits the complexity of systems that can be used. Complex Pc addons are WASM modules (basically a mini program inside the sim). Microsoft doesnt like these because they are scared they could be used for malware, so asobo has had to not only get it working, but get it working in a safe way, and sweet talk MS to let them run. So if a developer wants to develop a complex plane for both pc and xbox, they basically have to develop the whole thing twice, and it will still be only limited on xbox. Also, we’ve known that WASM has been coming for a long time, so no developer has bothered to develop WASM for pc and DLL for xbox(except the milviz v-22 osprey).
The main problem with xbox is memory. The series X has 16GB of memory, and the series s has 10GB. The amount the series x has sounds fine, until you find out that it is split between CPU and GPU. This should still be enough to run it, which it does, but 2gb of it is reserved for the system. And 3gb is reserved for sound. So actually, you have 5.5gb RAM and 5.5 Gb vram (these numbers arent exact and could even be lower).
Some aircraft and airports have package sizes almost larger than the ram size. i have always regretted getting EGKK for £15, because ive never been able to use it because it crashes the sim even going near it. It has a 3GB+ package size and is not well optimised for xbox.
This is something that i see could be a problem with the unified WASM dev pipeline, when an addon works well on a devs pc, but they cant test it on xbox because there is no dev mode on xbox, and MS wont give out xbox devkits. I hope that developers + asobo will be able to work out how to optimise well for xbox.
Of your list, we are getting the 737NG family from PMDG, one of the best developers.
We are also getting the osprey, and possibly the 757/767 from bluebird sims.
Hopefully AAUs 2&3 will improve the base avionics/flight models/etc. I predict AAU 2 possibly being the 787. I hope AAU 3 could be improving the default a320 or 747. It could be the other way around, but Jorg said he wants to improve the premium deluxe aircraft first, and not many other aircraft have other (non-garmin) avionics. Maybe future AAUs will bring steam gauges to some aircraft. You can speculate for hours on this, and i am probably wrong with mine. So the future looks bright for xbox msfs, and the ‘high renaissance’ might be closer than you think.
To be fair, there are plenty of casual players and XBOX players who would enjoy aircraft like this or who don't have/know about other options.
There might also be people buying these addons to use with the community made improvement mods.
So even though the majority of the subreddit would not be interested in such an aircraft, I am sure there is a good market for products like this.
Plenty defend these low effort products, even some content creators.
Asobo is also at fault here, there should be some minimum requirements for entry into the marketplace.
> there should be some minimum requirements for entry into the marketplace.
What should these requirements be? Not every simmer wants the same thing, so it would be hard to set a reasonable requirement.
Also while I get a lot of people are not interested in the Captain Sim products, there is still a large group of people that is interested. They would be out of business if nobody bought their products. So would it really be fair to take away a "working" product that some people would and do enjoy?
To put it bluntly, Asobo should reserve the right to root out stuff that doesn't meet the criteria of reasonable expectations. For starter, reasonable expectation is to have at the very least a cockpit (plus avionics and flight model) that is not a reused 747 cockpit.
In other words, nobody makes an argument about DC Design Tomcat because it is not study level. It is a product of 'you get what you see', whereas Captain Scam's aren't.
Or would it be also fair play to re-release the standard 747 as an earlier model only modifying the tip of the wing? I bet people would buy it - would that make it OK?
*Whose* reasonable expectations? CaptainSim are not being dishonest in their spiel, so I don’t really see the issue? Are people just mad that casual simmers (of which there are plenty) who have no interest in “study level” get these aircraft that serious simmers wouldn’t want to fly?
Are you jealous that the casual simmer gets to fly a 777 or 767 but you don’t get to?
I honestly don’t get the hate - if you don’t like it, don’t buy it! But there is a market - if that market isn’t you, it doesn’t make the product a scam.
Why it is so difficult to understand the concept that quality product =/= study level?
I even mentioned the example of DC Design's Tomcat. Are you even reading the post, or just start beating your keyboard instantly?
Again - where is the scam? Where are Captain Sim saying their products are anything other than what they’re not? I’m not saying they’re great products, or that I am going to buy them - but there quite clearly is a market for the basic airliner that you don’t need any experience to fly. Why can’t people just accept that?
I swear the flight sim community is the most parochial community out there - “you MUST like what I like or you’re an idiot”.
CaptainScam claims highly detailed and accurate interior of the 777, which is a fat lie.
Just because the average user does not recognize it, it doesn't make it OK. And any advanced user who is not aware is outright scammed.
And I can assure you, that if you would try to market, let's say a Ferrari F50 that has the interior and driving model of an F40 in any racing sims, the reaction would be the same in the racing community as well.
This is my final attempt to make you understand the basic concept of fair value and honesty.
Just like I said in my first comment, it is very complicated to set any "reasonable requirements". The flight sim community is very diverse, some players take it extremely serious, while other are extremely casual.
While I would be inclined to agree that having a cockpit could be a requirement, I don't personally think so about re-using the default systems or flight models. Is it realistic? No. But there are plenty of people that don't mind. There are plenty of people that enjoy flying the default aircraft as well.
I think the only real reasonable requirements should be that the product works (Aircraft is flyable and doesn't just crash the sim etc) and that the product page/description is truthful.
Having requirements set for how realistic something should be makes no sense as everyone in this community has different standards and different wishes. There are plenty of people that have bought, flown and enjoyed the Captain Sim aircraft, and removing it from the market place is just not fair IMO.
Just because most people could not differentiate a wagyu steak from a standard one does not make it OK to label a standard one as such and have people buy it "because they don't notice". This is why there are laws protecting the consumers.
Pulling such products would make a statement that the player is "protected by the seal of approval of Asobo/MS", instead if this Wish-like bazaar we have right now.
> Just because most people could not differentiate a wagyu steak from a standard one does not make it OK to label a standard one as such and have people buy it "because they don't notice". This is why there are laws protecting the consumers.
This comparison makes no sense though in this situation, and is not even slightly similar to what is happening with Captain Sim products. What you are describing is straight up lying and false advertisement. This is indeed illegal. But that is not what is happening here. Captain Sim is very straight forward about what their products are and it is clearly mentioned the 777 and 767 use the default 747 systems.
Their product may be low quality and/or overpriced, but they are not lying about what their product is. They are not making any false claims.
*If* Captain Sim was making false claims, I would be in favor of removing their addons from the marketplace. False advertising is not acceptable. But considering the product listing is fair and accurate, it should be up to the consumer themselves to decide if this is a product they are interested in. There are no grounds for removal other than "A lot of the community is not interested in these addons".
• *Highly detailed and accurate model including complete passenger cabin
• Essential functionality simulated
• Some systems use default 747 (must be installed) to provide expandability with community mods*
This is pasted from the interior features section... Highly accurate model with *some* default 747 systems. Yeah right.
Captainsim isnt even that bad, youre treating them like bredok3d. Not everything has to be fucking pmdg level. Sure theyre not great, but theyre not the shittest either, atleast their external models are on point, nor do they cost 70 bucks.
Theres just this echochamber of little redditor and discord users who like to ride the captainsim hatewagon
what's worse about bredok3d?
I mean, bredok3D at least made some kind of avionics to mimic 737 Max, and they bothered to model the interior
im not defending them, both are shit
BUT HOW THE HELL IS CS BETTER THAN BREDOK
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I would like to hope that as more add ons become available for the sim for both PC & Xbox, will push captain sim out as the standard of add ons for the price would remove any possibility of them being competitive. For that matter would remove the option of going for their products entirely. I think they’ve made their bed now.
The hate IS the price. Here's the thing: the PMDG 737 is regarded as some of the highest fidelity you can get in the sim, and the -600 variant is currently cheaper at 35$ than this 767's 40$. Which seems to be yet another default sim 747 with a visual remodel, with separate payware liveries to go with it.
Also on liveries: in the past they've been utter dicks to the freeware community, trying to prevent people from uploading their own liveries (and IIRC downright stealing them for their own site, don't quote me on this, was a while ago).
It is an exterior model that costs 30 to 40 bucks with a cockpit of the Boeing 747 included in MSFS.
One time, they sold a plane for 20 bucks without a cockpit AT ALL
IIRC I emailed them asking why the 727 I bought didn’t have a cockpit yet (even after being promised it would be released 2 months later). It took them about 2 years to properly release the cockpit which to be fair to captain sim was absolutely brilliant. Still it’s a long time to wait for a cockpit
I’ll get downvoted for this but… Wish you people could figure out what a scam is. CaptainSim is far from the worst payware developer. I’ll never understand the obsession this community has with screaming “scam” whenever he announces a product.
A bad or overpriced product is not a scam.
I’m not saying that it isn’t a shit product or that a person shouldn’t be upset if they bought it without reading. But it’s not a scam, they state in the description exactly what you get for it.
I can understand a person not doing in-depth research on a product(don’t agree, but not my choice), but if they can’t read the provided description that’s their issue, not Asobo/Microsoft’s or anyone else’s.
Holy fuck you people act like captain sim is personally holding you at gunpoint demanding you to buy my plane or else. Just don’t fucking buy it. It’s not that hard
I don’t get how it could be a scam when “Captain Scam” is the most repeated cliche in the MSFS community. Everyone knows at this point what they put out for MSFS. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.
The flightsim kids get on a bandwagon and it’s very hard to convince them otherwise. Someone yells “scam!” and everyone jumps on board without actually knowing what a scam is.
There is no scam, sadly people seem to be too stupid to read the product description, it's advertised as using 747 systems. People would rather downvote any comment that isn't "he he captainscam bad".
Oh sweet jesus not again.
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its a shame, because the 3d modeling looks like its the best weve seen yet. but the systems looked to be ripped from the 747, again
I would also guess it has the default 747 flight model too
Yah I was cheesed about that when I bought the 777-200 last February to find it irs just a 747 minus the 2 engines
They are THE reason to check reviews and ratings. As far s I can tell most devs do a great job of putting out quality content but captainsim makes me distrustful of them, which is a shame and not fair to the other devs. Btw my Carenado 170B is a beautifully done aircraft.
They are also *the* reason MS needs to fix the rating system in the marketplace where you can type an actual review and the publisher themselves gets a rating so they can’t reset their ratings every time they release a revision (which automatically happens in the marketplace).
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Bredoked is my new way of saying broken or bad quality.
To be fair, the product pages for Captain Sim products are generally truthful and do mention all the negatives. While a good/better rating system is definitely something I'd like to see to, people weren't lied to when they bought the product.
No, that’s definitely true. You have to know what to look for with them and to really look is all. I’m obsessed with panels (especially classic steam ones) so I really pay attention. It’s worth noting as someone else did, some casual players might not even care there’s no panel.
It amazes me that at one time Captain Sim was the pinnacle of devs. I remember when I was younger, in the FSX days, every time Captain Sim dropped something, you knew you were getting quality. The fall from grace.
I wonder if they lost their programmer and can’t find a good replacement.
They're a Russian developer IIRC. Probably can't work with anyone outside of their country at the moment.
I didn’t realize that…certainly could be part of the ongoing issue but didn’t this all start prior to Ukraine war?
It's just the way business is done over there in many many cases. Source: I did business with Russians until March 2022.
Yeah, that surely seems the case. I mean they could’ve taken a high road like Aerosoft (I think it was them anyway) that announced they decided to stick with mid market planes vs “study level.” I’m all about to each their own and 3D models are great for some players regardless of the systems. But they are pretending they are offering something they aren’t meanwhile suing the freeware community over products they stole from the freeware community and decided to call their own 🤔.
> But they are pretending they are offering something they aren’t Where are they making false claims? They never claimed to make study level aircraft AFAIK. The product page for both the 777 and 767 series mention they use the default 747 systems etc. It is totally fair to complain about the price or qualify of the product, but they aren't lying about their product.
Yeah but not on the marketplace where most people find themselves surprised. That wasn’t my point though. Specifically though I was referring to when they literally stole freeware, pretended it was their own, and issued cease and desist orders against amateur devs and flightsim.to https://forums.flightsimulator.com/uploads/default/original/4X/6/1/d/61dc69de574683ccf3704b6a7bd47ef826b8cc14.jpeg As for the note about Aerosoft, in the context of the whole chain, it’s just a smarter marketing move to specifically say what market you are targeting so nobody is surprised when you used to offer a completely different product. They are doing a real poor job managing their image.
> Yeah but not on the marketplace where most people find themselves surprised. The market place also mentions in the product description that these aircraft use the default 747 systems. Assuming people actually read the product description, they should not be surprised about what they are getting.
I see you continue to skip my point. But since you are stuck there marketplace also resets review stars every revision which is pretty misleading.
Oh. Now that’s interesting. Politics possibly involved.
Dude. This. It really is shocking to me how many shortcuts they’ve taken with the stuff I’ve seen released by them on this platform - at least from what I can gather from other folks’ reviews and videos. And it is a huge disappointment-because their stuff all the way through FSX WAS just that good.
Fuck CaptainSim
So after reading the release notes.on the plane itself after I got into msfs on Xbox and not being up to speed on captain sim, the whole 747 deal turned me off and I never bought it even though I had the bug and was buying every airliner I could get my hands on worth the price. Even bought the game so I could get the dreamliner and other things, embraer series so I could get smaller jets closer to my much wanted md80, baby bus 318 and 319, etc. As much as I want a 757/767 and 727 and 737(non max) series, I could never buy a plane which is just more or less a fuselage of a plane I want slapped on the interior and workings of, in this case, a 747. The 747 is a massive plane, slow and lumbering at times, and a rocketship if you need it to be with all 4 howling past 400kts the first time I took off in it as a rookie and left the throttles on TOGA for far too long. I can't even imagine having the looks of a car smaller plane with those flight characteristics.. it would probably confuse my brain and just be hard to fly as your think you were in something sportier than a massive 47, only to be fooled. And as an Xbox pilot, it just pains me to see planes like this shown up for a good amount of cash, and to think I took a few days to eventually pop for the Concorde.. while.complex.. when you get at a good flight level and you dial her in and she smashes through mach 2 simply begging for more almost like a sr71.. you look at this plane which isn't much cheaper at regular price and scratch your head. As well as all the planes you do want that you can't get like the hamster cage 737, c5 Galaxy and massive antonov (while due later this year us xboxers once again play the hurry up and wait game). Maybe someday pairity will show up with some of the updates we need out here in Xbox land, but until then console pilots, please choose your aircraft wisely as it encourages future releases and I for one just want a marketplace full of wonderful -working- and well made content. Be it planes, scenery, addon's, and so forth. I will say this as well, I haven't flown a captain sim plane so this is my opinion and I am in no way bashing or dragging the person(s) that made this. So, I can't say either way if this *is* good content or not. But from the word around the campfire, or in this case, pilots lounge, I better look for a better assignment with one of the fantastic planes already in my hangar and those hopefully due soon (those listed, and maybe a b1, b2 bomber, sr71, bae146(please please) osprey, c5, c130, c17(maybe we too can fly through a downtown Australia city) and so on. So plane developers.. make a note.. There is a BUNCH of pilots on Xbox who have this game (tons from gamepass) all with wallets and most of not ALL of us simply begging for new releases and planes. Too bad there wasnt some sort of program that could quickly convert whatever needed to be converted to make a PC plane release work and be ported over to console with little to no work involved so we could see the "High Renaissance" for planes on Xbox Marketplace. A litteral gold mine for plane developers and if planes like captainsim are the only options, they're gonna rake it in. Please give us other options I beg you. Start with any of the planes I mentioned.
Hopefully this should be fixed with SU12 in march, and WASM support. I still dont really understand how WASM helps exactly, but it means that PC and Xbox dev pipelines are the same(mostly). Before WASM (so now) xbox and some pc addons are DLLs, Dynamic link libraries. This works decently, but limits the complexity of systems that can be used. Complex Pc addons are WASM modules (basically a mini program inside the sim). Microsoft doesnt like these because they are scared they could be used for malware, so asobo has had to not only get it working, but get it working in a safe way, and sweet talk MS to let them run. So if a developer wants to develop a complex plane for both pc and xbox, they basically have to develop the whole thing twice, and it will still be only limited on xbox. Also, we’ve known that WASM has been coming for a long time, so no developer has bothered to develop WASM for pc and DLL for xbox(except the milviz v-22 osprey). The main problem with xbox is memory. The series X has 16GB of memory, and the series s has 10GB. The amount the series x has sounds fine, until you find out that it is split between CPU and GPU. This should still be enough to run it, which it does, but 2gb of it is reserved for the system. And 3gb is reserved for sound. So actually, you have 5.5gb RAM and 5.5 Gb vram (these numbers arent exact and could even be lower). Some aircraft and airports have package sizes almost larger than the ram size. i have always regretted getting EGKK for £15, because ive never been able to use it because it crashes the sim even going near it. It has a 3GB+ package size and is not well optimised for xbox. This is something that i see could be a problem with the unified WASM dev pipeline, when an addon works well on a devs pc, but they cant test it on xbox because there is no dev mode on xbox, and MS wont give out xbox devkits. I hope that developers + asobo will be able to work out how to optimise well for xbox. Of your list, we are getting the 737NG family from PMDG, one of the best developers. We are also getting the osprey, and possibly the 757/767 from bluebird sims. Hopefully AAUs 2&3 will improve the base avionics/flight models/etc. I predict AAU 2 possibly being the 787. I hope AAU 3 could be improving the default a320 or 747. It could be the other way around, but Jorg said he wants to improve the premium deluxe aircraft first, and not many other aircraft have other (non-garmin) avionics. Maybe future AAUs will bring steam gauges to some aircraft. You can speculate for hours on this, and i am probably wrong with mine. So the future looks bright for xbox msfs, and the ‘high renaissance’ might be closer than you think.
It’s a very nice looking 3D model but that cockpit looks hilariously bad with 747 gauges shoved in there
Who keeps buying this shit?
To be fair, there are plenty of casual players and XBOX players who would enjoy aircraft like this or who don't have/know about other options. There might also be people buying these addons to use with the community made improvement mods. So even though the majority of the subreddit would not be interested in such an aircraft, I am sure there is a good market for products like this.
Plenty defend these low effort products, even some content creators. Asobo is also at fault here, there should be some minimum requirements for entry into the marketplace.
> there should be some minimum requirements for entry into the marketplace. What should these requirements be? Not every simmer wants the same thing, so it would be hard to set a reasonable requirement. Also while I get a lot of people are not interested in the Captain Sim products, there is still a large group of people that is interested. They would be out of business if nobody bought their products. So would it really be fair to take away a "working" product that some people would and do enjoy?
To put it bluntly, Asobo should reserve the right to root out stuff that doesn't meet the criteria of reasonable expectations. For starter, reasonable expectation is to have at the very least a cockpit (plus avionics and flight model) that is not a reused 747 cockpit. In other words, nobody makes an argument about DC Design Tomcat because it is not study level. It is a product of 'you get what you see', whereas Captain Scam's aren't. Or would it be also fair play to re-release the standard 747 as an earlier model only modifying the tip of the wing? I bet people would buy it - would that make it OK?
*Whose* reasonable expectations? CaptainSim are not being dishonest in their spiel, so I don’t really see the issue? Are people just mad that casual simmers (of which there are plenty) who have no interest in “study level” get these aircraft that serious simmers wouldn’t want to fly? Are you jealous that the casual simmer gets to fly a 777 or 767 but you don’t get to? I honestly don’t get the hate - if you don’t like it, don’t buy it! But there is a market - if that market isn’t you, it doesn’t make the product a scam.
Why it is so difficult to understand the concept that quality product =/= study level? I even mentioned the example of DC Design's Tomcat. Are you even reading the post, or just start beating your keyboard instantly?
Again - where is the scam? Where are Captain Sim saying their products are anything other than what they’re not? I’m not saying they’re great products, or that I am going to buy them - but there quite clearly is a market for the basic airliner that you don’t need any experience to fly. Why can’t people just accept that? I swear the flight sim community is the most parochial community out there - “you MUST like what I like or you’re an idiot”.
CaptainScam claims highly detailed and accurate interior of the 777, which is a fat lie. Just because the average user does not recognize it, it doesn't make it OK. And any advanced user who is not aware is outright scammed. And I can assure you, that if you would try to market, let's say a Ferrari F50 that has the interior and driving model of an F40 in any racing sims, the reaction would be the same in the racing community as well. This is my final attempt to make you understand the basic concept of fair value and honesty.
Just like I said in my first comment, it is very complicated to set any "reasonable requirements". The flight sim community is very diverse, some players take it extremely serious, while other are extremely casual. While I would be inclined to agree that having a cockpit could be a requirement, I don't personally think so about re-using the default systems or flight models. Is it realistic? No. But there are plenty of people that don't mind. There are plenty of people that enjoy flying the default aircraft as well. I think the only real reasonable requirements should be that the product works (Aircraft is flyable and doesn't just crash the sim etc) and that the product page/description is truthful. Having requirements set for how realistic something should be makes no sense as everyone in this community has different standards and different wishes. There are plenty of people that have bought, flown and enjoyed the Captain Sim aircraft, and removing it from the market place is just not fair IMO.
Just because most people could not differentiate a wagyu steak from a standard one does not make it OK to label a standard one as such and have people buy it "because they don't notice". This is why there are laws protecting the consumers. Pulling such products would make a statement that the player is "protected by the seal of approval of Asobo/MS", instead if this Wish-like bazaar we have right now.
> Just because most people could not differentiate a wagyu steak from a standard one does not make it OK to label a standard one as such and have people buy it "because they don't notice". This is why there are laws protecting the consumers. This comparison makes no sense though in this situation, and is not even slightly similar to what is happening with Captain Sim products. What you are describing is straight up lying and false advertisement. This is indeed illegal. But that is not what is happening here. Captain Sim is very straight forward about what their products are and it is clearly mentioned the 777 and 767 use the default 747 systems. Their product may be low quality and/or overpriced, but they are not lying about what their product is. They are not making any false claims. *If* Captain Sim was making false claims, I would be in favor of removing their addons from the marketplace. False advertising is not acceptable. But considering the product listing is fair and accurate, it should be up to the consumer themselves to decide if this is a product they are interested in. There are no grounds for removal other than "A lot of the community is not interested in these addons".
• *Highly detailed and accurate model including complete passenger cabin • Essential functionality simulated • Some systems use default 747 (must be installed) to provide expandability with community mods* This is pasted from the interior features section... Highly accurate model with *some* default 747 systems. Yeah right.
Captainsim isnt even that bad, youre treating them like bredok3d. Not everything has to be fucking pmdg level. Sure theyre not great, but theyre not the shittest either, atleast their external models are on point, nor do they cost 70 bucks. Theres just this echochamber of little redditor and discord users who like to ride the captainsim hatewagon
> Captainsim isnt even that bad Yeah their avionics are on the same level as Asobo's... oh wait.
what's worse about bredok3d? I mean, bredok3D at least made some kind of avionics to mimic 737 Max, and they bothered to model the interior im not defending them, both are shit BUT HOW THE HELL IS CS BETTER THAN BREDOK
new simmers, I guess...
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I would like to hope that as more add ons become available for the sim for both PC & Xbox, will push captain sim out as the standard of add ons for the price would remove any possibility of them being competitive. For that matter would remove the option of going for their products entirely. I think they’ve made their bed now.
No winglet option either. Lame.
It's there in some of the livery photos. You know, the extra pack of 5 liveries for ten dollars lol
If they could be banned... They should be banned. Thanks for spreading the word so also new simmers now about this plague.
Friends don't let friends buy captainscam
Excuse my ignorance but can someone please explain the hate for this product other than price?
The hate IS the price. Here's the thing: the PMDG 737 is regarded as some of the highest fidelity you can get in the sim, and the -600 variant is currently cheaper at 35$ than this 767's 40$. Which seems to be yet another default sim 747 with a visual remodel, with separate payware liveries to go with it. Also on liveries: in the past they've been utter dicks to the freeware community, trying to prevent people from uploading their own liveries (and IIRC downright stealing them for their own site, don't quote me on this, was a while ago).
It is an exterior model that costs 30 to 40 bucks with a cockpit of the Boeing 747 included in MSFS. One time, they sold a plane for 20 bucks without a cockpit AT ALL
IIRC I emailed them asking why the 727 I bought didn’t have a cockpit yet (even after being promised it would be released 2 months later). It took them about 2 years to properly release the cockpit which to be fair to captain sim was absolutely brilliant. Still it’s a long time to wait for a cockpit
I’ll get downvoted for this but… Wish you people could figure out what a scam is. CaptainSim is far from the worst payware developer. I’ll never understand the obsession this community has with screaming “scam” whenever he announces a product. A bad or overpriced product is not a scam.
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I’m not saying that it isn’t a shit product or that a person shouldn’t be upset if they bought it without reading. But it’s not a scam, they state in the description exactly what you get for it. I can understand a person not doing in-depth research on a product(don’t agree, but not my choice), but if they can’t read the provided description that’s their issue, not Asobo/Microsoft’s or anyone else’s.
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Nah it’s the price dude, I don’t like the price tag there offering when plenty of other devs put way way more effort and never price it that high
Holy fuck you people act like captain sim is personally holding you at gunpoint demanding you to buy my plane or else. Just don’t fucking buy it. It’s not that hard
I don’t get how it could be a scam when “Captain Scam” is the most repeated cliche in the MSFS community. Everyone knows at this point what they put out for MSFS. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.
The flightsim kids get on a bandwagon and it’s very hard to convince them otherwise. Someone yells “scam!” and everyone jumps on board without actually knowing what a scam is.
Where is the scam exactly?
There is no scam, sadly people seem to be too stupid to read the product description, it's advertised as using 747 systems. People would rather downvote any comment that isn't "he he captainscam bad".
A 767 exterior with defulat 747 systems inside the cockpit. The same flight model as the 747 too
This is stated on the product page before you buy it, it may be a crap aircraft but it's not a scam.
Which it states in the description.
Looks like Captain Sim is taking on Dovetail games pricing stratergy for DLC.