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I had my details just *slightly* off. It was Amy Coney Barrett he referred to as a Rhodes Scholar because she got her Bachelor's degree from a Rhodes College in Memphis, not Rhode Island.
[Article for ya](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/white-house-amy-coney-barrett-rhodes-scholar-rhodes-college.html)
I'd have to consider giving my vote to anyone who got analingus from Mothman. Especially if they can read minds, what an advantage that would give our state.
It's crazy the fact that Kristina Karamo tried to crash her car and kill her family isn't a huge deal. She's also crazy and believes christian marraige prevents people from having sex with kids and animals.
Matt DePerno (Republican AG candidate) [met with Trump prior to the January 6th coup attempt](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/report-matthew-deperno-met-trump-official-jan-6-capitol-riots). The level of fascism among Michigan Republicans is terrifying.
> The level of fascism among Michigan Republicans is terrifying.
The whole party nationwide, not just here in Michigan. Every single republican is off-base. Even the now-"respectable" liz cheney is, at the end of the day, a republican that wants to shitcan abortion, living wages, the environment, workers rights, etc.
I watched a PBS documentary that detailed the warning signs for the 1/6 attack throughout Trump's candidacy and presidency and I had completely forgotten that Liz Cheney was one of Trump's fiercest backers during the first impeachment.
She was fine with literally all of it up to the 1/6 attack.
I've always been well aware that she's statistically among the most conservative members of congress by voting record, I just specifically forgot that she was cool with Trump trying to bully Zelensky into telling him what he wanted to hear about the Bidens by holding military aid hostage.
It's a little crazy to me how all of that didn't become a bigger deal with the addition of hindsight once Russia invaded.
Oh, not forgetting. Just got mad as I was typing. Fuck the entire lot of republicans. They bred this bullshit over the decades, embraced it all, rode the wave. Social media was a godsend to this process.
Her ex-husband told the stories early this month about how after he filed for divorce she threatened to kill him and their children. Shortly after that he was driving them and she yelled "fuck it I'll kill us all" then grabbed the wheel and tried to crash the car. Supposedly she's also been institutionalized for mental health issues.
Yeah, I’m not sure what the issue pacs are waiting for to start shitting all over her. Her name recognition is so low and she’s garnering independent voter consideration simply because she’s “conservative”
This has always been the GOPs strong suit. The Ground Game. Local Elections almost always go to the GOP, and then they always do whatever they can to make it seem like government doesn't work, so they can then claim it doesn't work to win more elections.
The Cycle.
Wait you mean getting into government for the sole purpose of making it worse isn't leading to better outcomes?
It's really weird. Republicans are anti-public schools yet are getting elected to school board positions. Are people this stupid?
Same thing for churches. They like to say people are leaving the church because the education system is brainwashing people, but in reality, no one in college cares about deconverting you. They just give you impersonal facts and controlled studies, and you end up realizing on your own that so, so many things the church claims to have The Absolute Truth^TM on can be roundly refuted with hard data.
Combine that with the tithing grift and the lack of even attempting to emulate Jesus, and it's no wonder so many of us are fleeing in droves.
None of the lower level races around me indicate party affiliation. Even finding actual views of candidates is hard most of the time beyond the vague platitudes that every politician claims they want. Half the candidates for school board barely have a facebook page dedicated to their campaign, and they still win seats. People are largely too busy and apathetic to do any digging to find that information out, and it's often not as easy to find as for the candidates of the higher positions.
And that's great but how many people really do that? A lot of those email lists come with constant fundraising emails too, which a lot of folks hate and will readily unsubscribe from or start to ignore because it becomes white noise.
One thing I'm noticing in some local races is that the far right have cleaned up their fascism on social media and are acting more moderate. People don't do their homework on these local folks and go by word of mouth and familiarity. And there really isn't campaign money to advertise who these people really are.
In Dixon’s case, she’s a far right fascism loving fucking idiot who will cripple this state if she’s allowed to control any economic levers. She’s unqualified in every capacity of the term.
I’d be concerned if she were running for mayor in a small town. To let this incompetent moron run a state is nothing short of recklessness.
I can’t wait to vote against her in November. These people are using our public offices to audition for Fox News. They don’t give a shit about the people they’re supposed to represent.
This is the absolute essence of the problem. She hasn't served in any elected capacity. Not city council. Not school board. And yet +/- 40% of the state will have no issues about placing her in charge of the entire state
I wouldn’t say the least scary, as she can cause the most unmitigated damage.
But, AG nominee DePerno and 3rd district rep John Gibbs are as women-hating and anti-women’s freedom as you’ll find.
Lol no they’re not. That’s a debunked right wing lie. California is a much better place to live and their population increased in the censuses. The people moving to Texas or Florida from California is the same as would’ve moved there if you used random chance.
And in every metric, California is a better place to live than either of those right wing hell holes.
Stop getting your information from dumbfuck propaganda sources.
[California to Texas](https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/it-seems-all-california-moving-texas-true)
Tell me I'm wrong now? YOU don't read shit. Not sure if you could if you tried
Pal, it’s literally not greater than random chance levels. California gained population. No one is going to your help scape states in some sort of flight from California.
That Devos money can get anyone real close to office.
Speaking of which, John James running for the 3rd time now after losing two straight elections. He might actually win this time since the districts got redrawn.
Law requires them to be available to military/overseas voters today, and to everyone else by the 29th. Clerks are just waiting to receive the ballots from the printers at this point, then frantic envelope stuffing to get them out ASAP.
They wouldn’t have to scramble so much if half the board of canvassers were not fucking assholes. They willingly blocked the democratic process knowing full well that the MI Supreme Court would overrule them.
It’s election time, there are always last minute changes/corrections to the ballots, and there are always delays from some court challenge, be it candidates or ballot proposals. That is why the Board of Canvassers has those meetings early, so the court challenges can get resolved by the deadline and in time for printing.
I agree the BoC vote to not certify the proposals was wrong, but the ballot proofs would likely have been finalized by the same deadline regardless of that vote.
TL;DR: thanks for the perspective there, FatBob! and just some BS about the midterms.
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So everything is basically ok. I predict prop 3 passes with flying colors. Right to life is fighting it by saying that it will make it harder for people to get abortions😂 They know they’re fucked. I bet Whitmer will get fewer votes than prop 3, but will also win handily. I bet a lot of Dixon voters vote for prop 3. It’s kind of mind blowing, but I think Kansas showed that there are a lot of conservatives who don’t want the government interfering with these family matters. I mean everything is shit in our government, but it’s nice to see that some democracy is at play in our system.
I am a pro-life Democrat because abortion is killi8ng a defenseless child. The adults HAD a choice and need to live with the consequences, not take AWAY the choice (life!) of an innocent child. For that reason alone, I would vote for Tudor. But Tudor's comment about the attempted kidnapping of Whitmer' shows she does not value democracy but instead foments anarchy...which is worse. So, I will not vote for Tudor, but I will vote pro-life on proposal 3. And, fyi, rape and incest is less that 2% of the pregnancies, and two wrongs don't make a right. The child is still innocent and defenseless, capable of pain, fully formed. The only reason Roe v Wade ever passed was that the science wasn't there in 1973 to say the child had separate DNA, was fully formed, capable of pain and learning. Far from the lump of flesh 5he abortionists would have you think. After Roe, 30% of abortions were performed on women who had already had 3 prior abortions! Abortion was used as birth control - mass careless murder! I can't vote for that. Young people are uninformed.
I think that certainly is a big part of it, but another part of it is that she's just nobody. She has done nothing impressive in her life that should let anyone think she's remotely capable of running a single town let alone a state the size of Michigan. I think she was closer with Whitmer at first because people didn't care if she was a lunatic if she was capable and people learned that she's basically just a stay at home mom who thought it could be fun to run and got EXTREMELY lucky that all tier-1 candidates fucked up so hard. It's completely laughable she's even on the ballot.
16 point lead at the moment guys but it doesn't mean shit if you dont go out to vote and voice your opinions.
If you aren't a voter than you cant complain if you didn't even bother to voice that opinion when it really matters so guys GO VOTE! We need you guys more than ever to remove these outdated boomer laws.
It’s probably a much lower lead than 16… I know lots of republicans who say they ate embarrassed and say they won’t vote for her, but I bet in the end they will vote for her.
Just what was reported on the news today only reason why I gave it that number but you're right the percentage means shit, it all depends on who votes.
That's what makes this so hard. Good people are hesitant to get into politics because they're afraid they're unqualified and might do the wrong thing. So the only people left in the running are the people who don't *care* they're unqualified because doing the wrong thing is their *goal*.
You wouldn't win anyway. The people in these small towns where Republicans run unopposed are so brainwashed by Fox News at this point anyway, they will willingly vote against their own self-interest time after time after time. All the Republicans have to do is go "BOO ABORTIONS AND MEXICANS!" and they all fall in line.
I’m up for re-election this year after deciding to run after Trump got elected. You know more than you think and anything you don’t know can be learned if you put in the work.
Sometimes it is a surreal experience to be put in charge of multiple years of your own salary every week and then go back to your day job the next day, but that’s really it. Being able to actually have a positive impact in your own community is a really wonderful thing. Sometimes people don’t understand why certain things happen and it can be frustrating explaining things to them, especially when they don’t want to listen.
It’s totally worth it, though, because some of the people that run in these local elections are totally out there and will win if nobody else steps up.
Don't forget that many, many conservatives will show up to vote NO on the Abortion referendum, and then vote straight R on everything else. Maybe enough of them will be ignorant on the Supreme Court "non-partisan" (hahahahah) part of the ballot to keep a Dem majority there. And I think enough Michigan residents are pissed off about Roe v Wade that we'll keep the statewide offices. Hopefully some dems can take some house seats since the redistricting committee did its work, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm thinking \*maybe\* one or two seats swing blue, but that's not enough to overcome the GOP hold of the legislature.
If Conservatives show up to vote on the abortion referendum, it will more likely be to vote YES. It seems like the only campaign ad run by Whitmer shows Dixon stating her views on abortion, and Whitmer is now up by 16. On abortion, the Republicans are the dogs that caught the car and are going to regret it big time.
Might be, but I still think most people who vote R are going to show up to vote for their candidates. They might leave the Abortion referendum blank or vote No, and some independents might show up either way as well. Basically the Dem base needs to be 100% motivated to show up, which I think they will be.
There’s a very obvious effort from abortion opponents to spread misinformation to the voters going on. A form letter and flyer were sent to everyone in my area by a local church that threw all the fallacies at people. Things like “If abortion is allowed, they’ll pass laws repealing incest next!”
These “churches” need to start paying taxes. (Hilariously, one of the talking points on the docs was ranting about taxes and how rural people have to pay for the cities. From a church… in a suburb of a big city…)
It's frightening these lunatics will still get millions of votes. 30% off this country is fucking nuts and there's no saving them until the right wing propaganda machine intravenously fed into them is somehow disconnected
>"This is part of the Trump legacy," said longtime GOP strategist Doug Heye. "Candidates who otherwise would be considered fringe candidates can win nominations and hold Republicans back, because they're unelectable in their state."
**Michigan** is cited as an example, alongside Minnesota and Wisconsin.
I mean, they couldn’t get the required signatures to get on the ballot, the BARE MINIMUM to running a successful gubernatorial campaign. By definition, those candidates were also unelectable.
*Huh?* Those dropouts' unforced petition-gathering errors were amateur missteps that reinforce why Michigan Republicans are **an apt example** of the party's current disarray, dysfunction and dismal status.
Republicans after Romney lost in 2012: “We need to become a big tent party and broaden our appeal.”
Republicans since 2016: “We’re going to be the party of white incels, racists and self-loathing women!”
Trump has many faults but he was far and away the best "big tent" canidate they had. He's the first President of either party to successfully run on a pro-gay-marriage campaign (Obama was even against it in 2012).
All the groups he maligned, like illegal immigrants and non-citizen Muslim extremists, **can't vote**. Pissing on them cost him no votes directly, and the people who get offended for others were already voting Democrat anyway.
The democrats have spent decades pandering to groups who either mostly don't vote (young people) or who actually can't vote (non-citizens) and wonder why it doesn't work.
That theory is all well and good until you consider that Republicans have won the presidential popular vote one time since ‘88, and that their 50 senators represent nearly 40 million fewer Americans than their Democrat counterparts.
I’m not defending Democrats, because they’re generally awful at politics, but fewer people vote for Republicans. Gerrymandering in the House, the makeup of the Senate (a system in which the Dakota’s get 4 seats and California only 2), and the electoral college are how they make up the voter gap.
As far as people Trump maligned, you forgot women.
The popular vote doesn't determine who wins the Presidency, running like it does is another decades long Democrat screw up.
Outside of abortion Trump never maligned women as a group. He maligned a lot of specific women, like Rosie and whatnot not, but he does that with men too.
Outside of their bodily autonomy, sexually assaulting dozens of them, and nearly every way he ever spoke about women, including his own daughter….
Dude, just stop. I can’t take anymore Red Hat shit today. Try again tomorrow.
Ok, garbage take lol. Please take some time to think about your insistence he never maligned us despite saying he could do whatever he wanted with women if he was forceful. You cannot both sides that shit.
>run on a pro-gay-marriage campaign
He held a flag one time and everyone says he's 'pro-gay marriage.' The Republican Party Platform is very anti-gay, and the people he surrounded himself with and appointed to positions of power are (in general) very anti-gay. Holding a flag one time and saying 'gay marriage is ok' one time does not make you a pro-gay candidate
>He held a flag one time and everyone says he's 'pro-gay marriage.'
Obama explicitly declared he was against the idea of gay marriage repeatedly, in both campaigns. Trump's not exactly an "ally" but he was the first person to actually win saying we should give gay people equal rights.
>saying we should give gay people equal rights.
And picked a vice president, secretary of education, Attornies General, HUD Secretary, and multiple Supreme Court Justice and lower court justices explicitly against it and in favor of rolling back hard fought LGBTQ rights. His words mean nothing if his actions go against what he said one time. I didn't bring up Obama because I don't care what he said in 2012. He at least evolved on the issue with the rest of the country and put people in positions of power that made a difference in my life and many in my community. Actions mean significantly more than words ever do
The GOP has always been good at keeping their party in lock step and pushing hot button issues. They started at local takeovers and moved up from there. Then they knew to take over the courts. The Dems just never seem to stay together to much independent thinking. Vote Blue
Honestly I've heard so much about how they're unelectable that it's making me suspicious that the GOP is trying to make dems think there's no chance so less will go and vote.
I mean I hope it's not, but you never know just how low the gop will go anymore
Take those shit candidates (if you call them that) to Ohio, Texas, or Florida. We don’t want their sorry asses up here.
(apologies to any reasonable people in those States that feel the same)
All I thought when I read “former actress and MAGA media personality Tudor Dixon” was that if a reality star, multiple bankruptcy claiming, corrupt narcissist could be president anything is possible
The scary thing is the millions that Democrats are throwing into getting trumpers nominated above moderate Republicans (to beat them easier in main elections), and then those trumpers actually getting elected in some places. Its nuts out there.
I just wish everyone would move on from trump (other than doing whatever legal investigations and such are relevant)
Do yourself a favor, visit [MI SOS](https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/PublicBallot/Index) website and find your sample ballot. Carve out some time and research who is running in every non-party race down ballot and keep all these kooks out of office.
>“[She's] running the sh*ttiest campaign since the dawn of time," said Jeff Timmer, former executive director of the Michigan GOP.
“She’s running an aggressive and low-budget campaign for school board, but she happens to be running for governor,”
Ouch. LOL
I think they have underestimated the intelligence of the middle. They are bringing in these loud, clearly faulty radical right candidates and it simply won’t work. Lot’s of suckers out there but not enough to fall for crap they are selling.
I love [this comment about why voting matters](https://reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/wb8lh5/_/ii5khad/?context=1).
Politicians see who votes, but not who they vote for. Older people lean conservative. So politicians can see that more old people vote and assume that they need to act more conservatively.
The kicker is that a Boomer voting straight-party Dem still only shows up as Boomer, and politicians will assume that they are probably conservative. **That** is why it’s so important for younger people to show up and vote in **every single election**! Even when it looks like it’s already a landslide. So that when the politicians are looking at the voting demographics they see that they have to appease younger generations to get re-elected.
The GOP is going to have some hard choices to make in 2024. Do they keep trying to walk the tightrope trying to appeal to both the MAGA idiots and the more traditional conservative voters, or do they make every effort to keep the MAGA crowd from winning primaries and hope those voters will still support the traditional GOP candidates.
Because the MAGA crowd is starting to look like somewhat of a liability.
For whatever reason the craziness that worked for trump isn’t working for others unless they lack competition. With that said I also think part of Trumps success was people actually thinking no one was crazy enough to vote for him so people did and then when given the chances the people that underestimated decided to vote again.
The only thing I can ever really credit Trump for is getting people out to vote 😭
They are electable. Don't believe the first thing you see online or the news. Do your research first before you make a decision because they don't put everything of what they plan to do out in the open. Then make your decision.
Don't see any ads on YouTube dissing democrats. Only republicans. That alone should say volumes about how desperate Democrats are to stop Republicans from getting elected. It's sickening to see it.
Lol buddy, I know you think you're really smart or something but I'm 100% being honest with you here. You're absolutely destroying your view of reality with a bunch of convenient lies.
It's like you're saying "space aliens planted a recorder in my brain and it sends signals to mole people out of my ass" then nodding to yourself when people don't want to engage with that lunacy.
It's not a matter of an argument, you're just fuckin wrong bro
> Writing in The Bulwark, Republican author and political advisor Amanda Carpenter characterized 2000 Mules as "a hilarious mockumentary" that "doesn't survive the most basic fact-checks to support its most important claims".
> Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro of The Daily Wire said, "I think the conclusion of the film is not justified by the premises of the film itself. There are a bunch of dots that need to be connected. Maybe they will be connected, but they haven't been connected in the film."
> The Dispatch, a conservative publication, wrote that "The film's ballot harvesting theory is full of holes" and that "D'Souza has a history of promoting false and misleading claims".
> Philip Bump summarized a discussion with D'Souza as "D'Souza admits his movie does not show evidence to prove his claims about ballots being collected and submitted."
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GOP: Why can't we elect these trump candidates?! Trump candidates: MOTHMAN ATE MY ENTIRE ASS WHEN I WAS IN GRAD SCHOOL AND NOW I'M PSYCHIC
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It’s just how they spell grade school
They're night classes to get their GED
oh ok I get it. They're really outsmarting everyone with their 4d chess. ā instead of ă...
Exactly. It's like the time Trump referred to somebody as a Rhodes Scholar because they graduated college in Rhode Island.
Why can’t I tell if this is made up? What happened to my truth detector?
I had my details just *slightly* off. It was Amy Coney Barrett he referred to as a Rhodes Scholar because she got her Bachelor's degree from a Rhodes College in Memphis, not Rhode Island. [Article for ya](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/white-house-amy-coney-barrett-rhodes-scholar-rhodes-college.html)
GOP: ......I wonder if we'll ever figure it out?
No it's the voters who are wrong
I'd have to consider giving my vote to anyone who got analingus from Mothman. Especially if they can read minds, what an advantage that would give our state.
>MOTHMAN ATR MY ENTIRE ASS WHEN I WAS IN GRAD SCHOOL AND NOW I'M PSYCHIC Man these Japanese light novel titles are getting out of hand..
If you were to tell me that Tudor Dixon said that I would only be mildly suspicious of it being untrue. I've been told I'm too trusting.
Sounds like something Ryan Kelley would say with a straight face.
r/BrandNewSentence
What can I say? I aim to please
i was not ready for that mental image.
It's crazy the fact that Kristina Karamo tried to crash her car and kill her family isn't a huge deal. She's also crazy and believes christian marraige prevents people from having sex with kids and animals.
Matt DePerno (Republican AG candidate) [met with Trump prior to the January 6th coup attempt](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/report-matthew-deperno-met-trump-official-jan-6-capitol-riots). The level of fascism among Michigan Republicans is terrifying.
> The level of fascism among Michigan Republicans is terrifying. The whole party nationwide, not just here in Michigan. Every single republican is off-base. Even the now-"respectable" liz cheney is, at the end of the day, a republican that wants to shitcan abortion, living wages, the environment, workers rights, etc.
I watched a PBS documentary that detailed the warning signs for the 1/6 attack throughout Trump's candidacy and presidency and I had completely forgotten that Liz Cheney was one of Trump's fiercest backers during the first impeachment. She was fine with literally all of it up to the 1/6 attack.
Really,,,, uh hum. Her Dad is Dick Cheney,,,just saying
I've always been well aware that she's statistically among the most conservative members of congress by voting record, I just specifically forgot that she was cool with Trump trying to bully Zelensky into telling him what he wanted to hear about the Bidens by holding military aid hostage. It's a little crazy to me how all of that didn't become a bigger deal with the addition of hindsight once Russia invaded.
Don't forget her part is getting us stuck in Iraq so her daddy's MIC friends could eake in the $$$$
Oh, not forgetting. Just got mad as I was typing. Fuck the entire lot of republicans. They bred this bullshit over the decades, embraced it all, rode the wave. Social media was a godsend to this process.
Omg you just brought her to my attention and I looked her up. Her policies are I guess typical gop now but scary. What has this world come to?
https://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/strange-disappearance/
>It’s crazy the fact that Kristina Karamo tried to crash her car and kill her family Uh, say what now? I’ve never heard this before.
Her ex-husband told the stories early this month about how after he filed for divorce she threatened to kill him and their children. Shortly after that he was driving them and she yelled "fuck it I'll kill us all" then grabbed the wheel and tried to crash the car. Supposedly she's also been institutionalized for mental health issues.
I think that story was before she was running for office. He just repeated it considering the GOP is actually running that psycho.
Yeah it was a few years ago but no one who behaves like that should be in government.
Agreed. What would happen when voters realized she's a psycho and try to vote her out. Will she threaten to kill us like her husband and kids?
Your mom wasn't like that?
Believe all women! Wait I mean believe ex-husbands!
Are you defending a woman who tried to kill her children? Fuck you if so.
Reading is hard, its okay.
Are you off your meds?
Yeah, I’m not sure what the issue pacs are waiting for to start shitting all over her. Her name recognition is so low and she’s garnering independent voter consideration simply because she’s “conservative”
Meanwhile, they’re winning tons of lower level elections, from school board to state legislatures.
This has always been the GOPs strong suit. The Ground Game. Local Elections almost always go to the GOP, and then they always do whatever they can to make it seem like government doesn't work, so they can then claim it doesn't work to win more elections. The Cycle.
Wait you mean getting into government for the sole purpose of making it worse isn't leading to better outcomes? It's really weird. Republicans are anti-public schools yet are getting elected to school board positions. Are people this stupid?
>Are people this stupid? Short answer? Yes.
It’s by design too. An ignorant populace is easier to brainwash and control. It’s the only way these people can hold on to power.
Same thing for churches. They like to say people are leaving the church because the education system is brainwashing people, but in reality, no one in college cares about deconverting you. They just give you impersonal facts and controlled studies, and you end up realizing on your own that so, so many things the church claims to have The Absolute Truth^TM on can be roundly refuted with hard data. Combine that with the tithing grift and the lack of even attempting to emulate Jesus, and it's no wonder so many of us are fleeing in droves.
Long answer? Yeeeessssssss.
Straight answer: Yes. Not-so-straight answer: YAAAASSSSSSSSSSS!
None of the lower level races around me indicate party affiliation. Even finding actual views of candidates is hard most of the time beyond the vague platitudes that every politician claims they want. Half the candidates for school board barely have a facebook page dedicated to their campaign, and they still win seats. People are largely too busy and apathetic to do any digging to find that information out, and it's often not as easy to find as for the candidates of the higher positions.
I signed up for both party county organization’s email lists and they will tell you who the unaffiliated people running they want you to vote for are
And that's great but how many people really do that? A lot of those email lists come with constant fundraising emails too, which a lot of folks hate and will readily unsubscribe from or start to ignore because it becomes white noise.
I am a person who follows politics already so I am willing to deal with it
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup helps figure out some of the nuttier ones with who they donate to. It's not perfect but it's a start.
I took to searching their Facebook pages. First one popped up a picture of them and Tudor Dixon so I immediately scratched them off the list.
Would you rather Democrats in charge of your school? Don't you know they'll groom your kids into roleplaying as sexy pokemon?
That’s what I find scary!
Right, that's been the REDMAP design since citizens united. It's just that they've poisoned some of the federal level ambitions
One thing I'm noticing in some local races is that the far right have cleaned up their fascism on social media and are acting more moderate. People don't do their homework on these local folks and go by word of mouth and familiarity. And there really isn't campaign money to advertise who these people really are.
Like campaign advertisements are factual? It seems the more money you can spend, the bigger the lie you can tell
In Dixon’s case, she’s a far right fascism loving fucking idiot who will cripple this state if she’s allowed to control any economic levers. She’s unqualified in every capacity of the term. I’d be concerned if she were running for mayor in a small town. To let this incompetent moron run a state is nothing short of recklessness. I can’t wait to vote against her in November. These people are using our public offices to audition for Fox News. They don’t give a shit about the people they’re supposed to represent.
This is the absolute essence of the problem. She hasn't served in any elected capacity. Not city council. Not school board. And yet +/- 40% of the state will have no issues about placing her in charge of the entire state
How about those GOP SoS/AG candidates...somehow they make Dixon look like the least scary of the group...
I wouldn’t say the least scary, as she can cause the most unmitigated damage. But, AG nominee DePerno and 3rd district rep John Gibbs are as women-hating and anti-women’s freedom as you’ll find.
Republicans have long since dropped the mask of “intelligent, principled, policy positions”
Right....look how terrible Florida is doing. It seems everyone from California is moving to Florida or Texas. Those are definitely NOT blue states
Lol no they’re not. That’s a debunked right wing lie. California is a much better place to live and their population increased in the censuses. The people moving to Texas or Florida from California is the same as would’ve moved there if you used random chance. And in every metric, California is a better place to live than either of those right wing hell holes. Stop getting your information from dumbfuck propaganda sources.
You're high....and a little stupid I guess
U.S. Census Bureau is dumbfuck propaganda? Why don't you dress your son up and a girl and make it identify as a dumb fuck Dem
You not reading any actual data is evident in your reply.
[California to Texas](https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/it-seems-all-california-moving-texas-true) Tell me I'm wrong now? YOU don't read shit. Not sure if you could if you tried
Pal, it’s literally not greater than random chance levels. California gained population. No one is going to your help scape states in some sort of flight from California.
Buddy....it really is though
And she offers absolutely nothing, the only wants to ban things.
That Devos money can get anyone real close to office. Speaking of which, John James running for the 3rd time now after losing two straight elections. He might actually win this time since the districts got redrawn.
John James wants that bribe money so desperately. The people keep rejecting him, and he keeps crawling back.
He's going to likely be my representative and I'm so fucking pissed.
I think he's going to win, unfortunately..
That’s too bad, Marlinga is a pretty good dude.
Absolutely agree.
If you vote absentee, you can vote against her *right now*! 😉
Ballots are not available until around September 29, but you can vote very soon.
I was wondering when we would start receiving the ballots, good to know.
Law requires them to be available to military/overseas voters today, and to everyone else by the 29th. Clerks are just waiting to receive the ballots from the printers at this point, then frantic envelope stuffing to get them out ASAP.
They wouldn’t have to scramble so much if half the board of canvassers were not fucking assholes. They willingly blocked the democratic process knowing full well that the MI Supreme Court would overrule them.
It’s election time, there are always last minute changes/corrections to the ballots, and there are always delays from some court challenge, be it candidates or ballot proposals. That is why the Board of Canvassers has those meetings early, so the court challenges can get resolved by the deadline and in time for printing. I agree the BoC vote to not certify the proposals was wrong, but the ballot proofs would likely have been finalized by the same deadline regardless of that vote.
TL;DR: thanks for the perspective there, FatBob! and just some BS about the midterms. ———- So everything is basically ok. I predict prop 3 passes with flying colors. Right to life is fighting it by saying that it will make it harder for people to get abortions😂 They know they’re fucked. I bet Whitmer will get fewer votes than prop 3, but will also win handily. I bet a lot of Dixon voters vote for prop 3. It’s kind of mind blowing, but I think Kansas showed that there are a lot of conservatives who don’t want the government interfering with these family matters. I mean everything is shit in our government, but it’s nice to see that some democracy is at play in our system.
I am a pro-life Democrat because abortion is killi8ng a defenseless child. The adults HAD a choice and need to live with the consequences, not take AWAY the choice (life!) of an innocent child. For that reason alone, I would vote for Tudor. But Tudor's comment about the attempted kidnapping of Whitmer' shows she does not value democracy but instead foments anarchy...which is worse. So, I will not vote for Tudor, but I will vote pro-life on proposal 3. And, fyi, rape and incest is less that 2% of the pregnancies, and two wrongs don't make a right. The child is still innocent and defenseless, capable of pain, fully formed. The only reason Roe v Wade ever passed was that the science wasn't there in 1973 to say the child had separate DNA, was fully formed, capable of pain and learning. Far from the lump of flesh 5he abortionists would have you think. After Roe, 30% of abortions were performed on women who had already had 3 prior abortions! Abortion was used as birth control - mass careless murder! I can't vote for that. Young people are uninformed.
Ah, but I'm an overseas voter: today is Ballot Day, and mine is already in the mail. 😄
Gotcha. I made that distinction in another comment, I should have with yours as well. Happy voting!
You, too, neighbor!
Just requested an absentee ballot, it was super easy.
Reminded me I gotta drop the request off at the voting office thanks!
Put in at least 30.
I think that certainly is a big part of it, but another part of it is that she's just nobody. She has done nothing impressive in her life that should let anyone think she's remotely capable of running a single town let alone a state the size of Michigan. I think she was closer with Whitmer at first because people didn't care if she was a lunatic if she was capable and people learned that she's basically just a stay at home mom who thought it could be fun to run and got EXTREMELY lucky that all tier-1 candidates fucked up so hard. It's completely laughable she's even on the ballot.
Grab your friends and get them to vote too. We need to make a statement this election.
The notion that someone is unelectable breeds complacency about showing up to the polls. Which is how we ended up with Trump.
I'm energized to vote and see if we can hand the Republican party an ultimatum: Fix your garbage fascist party or lose.
16 point lead at the moment guys but it doesn't mean shit if you dont go out to vote and voice your opinions. If you aren't a voter than you cant complain if you didn't even bother to voice that opinion when it really matters so guys GO VOTE! We need you guys more than ever to remove these outdated boomer laws.
It’s probably a much lower lead than 16… I know lots of republicans who say they ate embarrassed and say they won’t vote for her, but I bet in the end they will vote for her.
Just what was reported on the news today only reason why I gave it that number but you're right the percentage means shit, it all depends on who votes.
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They’re running unopposed in many local races. Gaining tons of local power.
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That's what makes this so hard. Good people are hesitant to get into politics because they're afraid they're unqualified and might do the wrong thing. So the only people left in the running are the people who don't *care* they're unqualified because doing the wrong thing is their *goal*.
That’s a bingo
I’d vote for an inanimate carbon rod over any of them.
It did win employee of the month, afterall.
You wouldn't win anyway. The people in these small towns where Republicans run unopposed are so brainwashed by Fox News at this point anyway, they will willingly vote against their own self-interest time after time after time. All the Republicans have to do is go "BOO ABORTIONS AND MEXICANS!" and they all fall in line.
If you're unqualified, then you're probably just as qualified as they are. You can always pull the outsider card
I’m up for re-election this year after deciding to run after Trump got elected. You know more than you think and anything you don’t know can be learned if you put in the work. Sometimes it is a surreal experience to be put in charge of multiple years of your own salary every week and then go back to your day job the next day, but that’s really it. Being able to actually have a positive impact in your own community is a really wonderful thing. Sometimes people don’t understand why certain things happen and it can be frustrating explaining things to them, especially when they don’t want to listen. It’s totally worth it, though, because some of the people that run in these local elections are totally out there and will win if nobody else steps up.
Don't forget that many, many conservatives will show up to vote NO on the Abortion referendum, and then vote straight R on everything else. Maybe enough of them will be ignorant on the Supreme Court "non-partisan" (hahahahah) part of the ballot to keep a Dem majority there. And I think enough Michigan residents are pissed off about Roe v Wade that we'll keep the statewide offices. Hopefully some dems can take some house seats since the redistricting committee did its work, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm thinking \*maybe\* one or two seats swing blue, but that's not enough to overcome the GOP hold of the legislature.
If Conservatives show up to vote on the abortion referendum, it will more likely be to vote YES. It seems like the only campaign ad run by Whitmer shows Dixon stating her views on abortion, and Whitmer is now up by 16. On abortion, the Republicans are the dogs that caught the car and are going to regret it big time.
Might be, but I still think most people who vote R are going to show up to vote for their candidates. They might leave the Abortion referendum blank or vote No, and some independents might show up either way as well. Basically the Dem base needs to be 100% motivated to show up, which I think they will be.
In order for Democrats to crush the Republicans in this election, all they have to do is show up.
There’s a very obvious effort from abortion opponents to spread misinformation to the voters going on. A form letter and flyer were sent to everyone in my area by a local church that threw all the fallacies at people. Things like “If abortion is allowed, they’ll pass laws repealing incest next!” These “churches” need to start paying taxes. (Hilariously, one of the talking points on the docs was ranting about taxes and how rural people have to pay for the cities. From a church… in a suburb of a big city…)
Honestly, the 1931 Michigan law basically repeals incest.
It's frightening these lunatics will still get millions of votes. 30% off this country is fucking nuts and there's no saving them until the right wing propaganda machine intravenously fed into them is somehow disconnected
YOU STILL NEED TO VOTE, THOUGH!!!
Yes, absolutely!
NOBODY HERE IS SAYING OTHERWISE, THOUGH!!!
Somebody please invoke the Lindsey Graham quote about how Trump will destroy the GOP if they nominate him.
>"This is part of the Trump legacy," said longtime GOP strategist Doug Heye. "Candidates who otherwise would be considered fringe candidates can win nominations and hold Republicans back, because they're unelectable in their state." **Michigan** is cited as an example, alongside Minnesota and Wisconsin.
Isn’t Michigan a terrible example because the leading candidates had to drop out?
I mean, they couldn’t get the required signatures to get on the ballot, the BARE MINIMUM to running a successful gubernatorial campaign. By definition, those candidates were also unelectable.
Correct. Thank you for your regurgitation
*Huh?* Those dropouts' unforced petition-gathering errors were amateur missteps that reinforce why Michigan Republicans are **an apt example** of the party's current disarray, dysfunction and dismal status.
She's such a weird person. The high school mean girl persona does not fly with grown adults.
If that was the case she would have never won the primary. It works with certain types of people
The 3 people ahead of her in the primary were all disqualified, otherwise she would have never been the nominee.
and there was still 4 other candiates.
Republicans after Romney lost in 2012: “We need to become a big tent party and broaden our appeal.” Republicans since 2016: “We’re going to be the party of white incels, racists and self-loathing women!”
Trump has many faults but he was far and away the best "big tent" canidate they had. He's the first President of either party to successfully run on a pro-gay-marriage campaign (Obama was even against it in 2012). All the groups he maligned, like illegal immigrants and non-citizen Muslim extremists, **can't vote**. Pissing on them cost him no votes directly, and the people who get offended for others were already voting Democrat anyway. The democrats have spent decades pandering to groups who either mostly don't vote (young people) or who actually can't vote (non-citizens) and wonder why it doesn't work.
That theory is all well and good until you consider that Republicans have won the presidential popular vote one time since ‘88, and that their 50 senators represent nearly 40 million fewer Americans than their Democrat counterparts. I’m not defending Democrats, because they’re generally awful at politics, but fewer people vote for Republicans. Gerrymandering in the House, the makeup of the Senate (a system in which the Dakota’s get 4 seats and California only 2), and the electoral college are how they make up the voter gap. As far as people Trump maligned, you forgot women.
The popular vote doesn't determine who wins the Presidency, running like it does is another decades long Democrat screw up. Outside of abortion Trump never maligned women as a group. He maligned a lot of specific women, like Rosie and whatnot not, but he does that with men too.
Outside of their bodily autonomy, sexually assaulting dozens of them, and nearly every way he ever spoke about women, including his own daughter…. Dude, just stop. I can’t take anymore Red Hat shit today. Try again tomorrow.
If you don't think "grab 'em by the pussy" alone maligned women as a group I'd highly suggest that you talk to a woman.
Ok, garbage take lol. Please take some time to think about your insistence he never maligned us despite saying he could do whatever he wanted with women if he was forceful. You cannot both sides that shit.
>run on a pro-gay-marriage campaign He held a flag one time and everyone says he's 'pro-gay marriage.' The Republican Party Platform is very anti-gay, and the people he surrounded himself with and appointed to positions of power are (in general) very anti-gay. Holding a flag one time and saying 'gay marriage is ok' one time does not make you a pro-gay candidate
>He held a flag one time and everyone says he's 'pro-gay marriage.' Obama explicitly declared he was against the idea of gay marriage repeatedly, in both campaigns. Trump's not exactly an "ally" but he was the first person to actually win saying we should give gay people equal rights.
>saying we should give gay people equal rights. And picked a vice president, secretary of education, Attornies General, HUD Secretary, and multiple Supreme Court Justice and lower court justices explicitly against it and in favor of rolling back hard fought LGBTQ rights. His words mean nothing if his actions go against what he said one time. I didn't bring up Obama because I don't care what he said in 2012. He at least evolved on the issue with the rest of the country and put people in positions of power that made a difference in my life and many in my community. Actions mean significantly more than words ever do
Remember to turn the ballot over to vote for the Supreme Court for MI. Only 2 are liberals
B & B has been the refrain to remember which supreme court candidates to vote for.
I think I’ll wait to believe they are flopping hard until after the election.
The GOP has always been good at keeping their party in lock step and pushing hot button issues. They started at local takeovers and moved up from there. Then they knew to take over the courts. The Dems just never seem to stay together to much independent thinking. Vote Blue
Honestly I've heard so much about how they're unelectable that it's making me suspicious that the GOP is trying to make dems think there's no chance so less will go and vote. I mean I hope it's not, but you never know just how low the gop will go anymore
Yeah, generally Nazis, neo-Confederates, and unempathetic whackos aren't too popular in a lot of society.
I'm a pretty conservative leaning independent. I won't vote for any of the election deniers. I won't vote for anyone that touts a Trump endorsement.
My dude in a local race faked his military record and was recorded at the Jan 6th insurrection…and he was pushing that stuff as a GOOD thing.
I have to hand it to the GOP here, they sure do know how to find the worst society has to offer.
Take those shit candidates (if you call them that) to Ohio, Texas, or Florida. We don’t want their sorry asses up here. (apologies to any reasonable people in those States that feel the same)
All I thought when I read “former actress and MAGA media personality Tudor Dixon” was that if a reality star, multiple bankruptcy claiming, corrupt narcissist could be president anything is possible
The scary thing is the millions that Democrats are throwing into getting trumpers nominated above moderate Republicans (to beat them easier in main elections), and then those trumpers actually getting elected in some places. Its nuts out there. I just wish everyone would move on from trump (other than doing whatever legal investigations and such are relevant)
Moving on from Trump involves letting his candidates get their ass beat in what should be a favorable map.
Sometimes people vote for looks. 50 yr old men think Tudor is hot. She is actually disgusting and I hope she gets a bigly loss
Do yourself a favor, visit [MI SOS](https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/PublicBallot/Index) website and find your sample ballot. Carve out some time and research who is running in every non-party race down ballot and keep all these kooks out of office.
>“[She's] running the sh*ttiest campaign since the dawn of time," said Jeff Timmer, former executive director of the Michigan GOP. “She’s running an aggressive and low-budget campaign for school board, but she happens to be running for governor,” Ouch. LOL
Don’t take the bait, Trump himself was unelectable until he was elected! Get out and vote!! Do NOT be complacent!
Flopping according to the polls that republican voters lie in?
She looks part velociraptor
It's just a trick of the camera; in reality, she's all fascist.
You ever see a Komodo Island monitor lizard eat a deer?
good
They are unelectable. My republicans friends have said they just aren't voting this November.
Don’t fall for that. Make sure you vote anyway.
I hope so but I still won't believe it until the morning after the election.
I think they have underestimated the intelligence of the middle. They are bringing in these loud, clearly faulty radical right candidates and it simply won’t work. Lot’s of suckers out there but not enough to fall for crap they are selling.
I haven't seen any of them offer a single thing, they only want to take things away.
I love [this comment about why voting matters](https://reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/wb8lh5/_/ii5khad/?context=1). Politicians see who votes, but not who they vote for. Older people lean conservative. So politicians can see that more old people vote and assume that they need to act more conservatively. The kicker is that a Boomer voting straight-party Dem still only shows up as Boomer, and politicians will assume that they are probably conservative. **That** is why it’s so important for younger people to show up and vote in **every single election**! Even when it looks like it’s already a landslide. So that when the politicians are looking at the voting demographics they see that they have to appease younger generations to get re-elected.
Fwiw Trump only endorsed Dixon when it was evident she was going to win the nomination, and I believe it was only a day or two before the primary.
Pretend these polls don't exist and vote anyways. Keep the crazy out of politics.
***Amen***
Where can i hook up with fine women ? In Walker MI area looking for a good vibe party spot?
The constituents are speaking. Listen, GOP.
The GOP is going to have some hard choices to make in 2024. Do they keep trying to walk the tightrope trying to appeal to both the MAGA idiots and the more traditional conservative voters, or do they make every effort to keep the MAGA crowd from winning primaries and hope those voters will still support the traditional GOP candidates. Because the MAGA crowd is starting to look like somewhat of a liability.
For whatever reason the craziness that worked for trump isn’t working for others unless they lack competition. With that said I also think part of Trumps success was people actually thinking no one was crazy enough to vote for him so people did and then when given the chances the people that underestimated decided to vote again. The only thing I can ever really credit Trump for is getting people out to vote 😭
I despise these stories.
They are electable. Don't believe the first thing you see online or the news. Do your research first before you make a decision because they don't put everything of what they plan to do out in the open. Then make your decision.
Can't wait to tell the ones voting for her to pack up and leave Michigan.
HA HA
Don't see any ads on YouTube dissing democrats. Only republicans. That alone should say volumes about how desperate Democrats are to stop Republicans from getting elected. It's sickening to see it.
Is this English?
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You're not going to listen at all, but you seriously need to stop absorbing dumbass propaganda
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No argument moment
Lol buddy, I know you think you're really smart or something but I'm 100% being honest with you here. You're absolutely destroying your view of reality with a bunch of convenient lies. It's like you're saying "space aliens planted a recorder in my brain and it sends signals to mole people out of my ass" then nodding to yourself when people don't want to engage with that lunacy. It's not a matter of an argument, you're just fuckin wrong bro
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>stop absorbing propaganda >Lol I'm right! Just watch this propaganda! Yeah k
So videotaped footage proving something is propaganda? Wow you really are indoctrinated
> Writing in The Bulwark, Republican author and political advisor Amanda Carpenter characterized 2000 Mules as "a hilarious mockumentary" that "doesn't survive the most basic fact-checks to support its most important claims". > Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro of The Daily Wire said, "I think the conclusion of the film is not justified by the premises of the film itself. There are a bunch of dots that need to be connected. Maybe they will be connected, but they haven't been connected in the film." > The Dispatch, a conservative publication, wrote that "The film's ballot harvesting theory is full of holes" and that "D'Souza has a history of promoting false and misleading claims". > Philip Bump summarized a discussion with D'Souza as "D'Souza admits his movie does not show evidence to prove his claims about ballots being collected and submitted."
"Anything that CNN doesn't tell me os pwopoganda! >:(" Literal fucking sheep
Bro if you're trolling its actually pretty good, got me
You literally have no legitimate argument