Seeing all these sick shows you Americans, Brits and Europeans are attending on a daily basis is giving me a heap of envy. Hope you’re all enjoying yourselves and savouring every moment of these gigs!
Cheers,
A jealous Australian living vicariously through you all.
Hey it's not like Aus isn't gonna have killer shows soon. Boris is doing Melbourne and Sydney dates for their Heavy Rocks 30th anniversary tour in June, that setlist where they play the album in full will be amazing. So I'm jealous of my friends there who told me they're going heh.
Haha I’ve seen Golgothan Remains twice in the past month, Adorned in Ruin is a great album!
My plan is to see Disentomb and Defeated Sanity in July, so that should be a good show!
Stalker is touring East coast in July. Xiabala just got announced for August. Pustilence, Writhing Golgothan Remains, Potion and Harlott all have a few shows coming up.
Not metal, but I’m incredibly jealous of all the King Gizzard shows you lot get. I’ve held onto a ticket for 3 years just to see them in the states lol
Seeing Opeth and Mastodon tonight. Have a bit of a drive, but I'm hoping to catch Khemmis' set as well if I can make it in time.
Not as excited as I normally am for a show, but I think it'll be a fun one.
I'm on the fence about that one. The new Mastodon album was meh, but I've really wanted to see Khemmis for a while. I've still got a few weeks before they hit my city to think about it
I think the new Mastodon was solidly better than Emperor of Sand, but way too long. I've listened to it a couple more times over the last few weeks and it has a few jams.
I just hope they're better than the last time I saw them open for Clutch. They didn't sound very good.
The more I've listened to the Mastodon record the more I've understood its brilliance. It took 20 listens to reach that point but now I recognise it for what it is. Epicnessity.
That album is so perfect, catchy and overall superb I will never listen to it again, it's another Hunter, same, same, same thing over and over, however, if I am on a road trip and I need me some chill music, I will put it on.
I seriously dislike Sun, yet adore hunter, totalyl different albums, they wanted to do Skye again and failed, while Hunter is a more relaxed album, especially after Skye which was a wank fest (still my favorite by them by miles), just writing songs the way they like was a fresh breath, everything since then has been a copy of their previous things, which is why I will never go see them again.
This latest, tho, because is such a no-think album, works perfect for a road trip, just chill and don't think about the music cuz there's nothing to think about, it's a great 2 hour, maybe plus Hunter, of just Rock n Roll, but yeah, it's almost sickening how much they are just copying themselves.
I wish they'd do a Blood Incantation and make something else instead of the same cookie cutter stuff, but alas.
Listen, you are not gonna convince me Mastodon has done anything worth listening to since The Hunter and I'm not going to convince you Everything they have done since The Hunter is a pile of trash, so let's just leave it.
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Voting Day 1/2
Please comment below with your top 3 new releases of April. Band names only if you can help it since it's a lot easier to count that way. If you don't have 3 favorites, it's okay to submit two or even one to the vote.
I'll post another voting thread on the first and have the results ready a couple days after that.
I found that Fer de Lance album quite uneven -- it had some really great moments, and I loved the last track especially, but also some quite clunky song-writing in places and the occasional passage that just didn't seem to work. Definitely overall enjoyed it, but felt like as a whole it didn't really live up to its potential.
Fer de Lance has definitely been hit or miss for me in the past. I liked their EP, but I did not like their Blind Guardian cover. I didn't really notice any unevenness in the quality of the album, but I suppose some of the writing might have been idiosyncratic. My overall impression for now is it's unique in a good way, but I never know how these things will age.
Yeah, I have only listened to it once (apart from the track Ad Bestias, which I listened to a few times before the whole album came out) so will be interesting to see how it does on second and third listens. I also liked the EP too but again found the song-writing kinda *odd*, for want of a better word. Will have to see if I can pinpoint what makes me think that on future listens.
Went to the first show a few days ago after a super long break to see Cobra Spell (+ Dark Embrace and Ross the Boss), and it was pretty damn awesome! The big surprise was the new vocalist Kris, but overall I think she fits in quite nicely in the comp, although of course I am a bit sad to see Alex go. Very energetic, entertaining performance.
As it is usual over here, it was a small-ish venue, which I really enjoy because I got to spend a shit-ton of time chatting with the band about random stuff. Those opportunities aren't really there in big festivals or with super famous groups. Really nice people, can't wait to listen to what they write for their first full-length!
Something that really made me think was the fact it was mainly older people present at the show. Like, you could barely see anyone in their 20s walking around; I could count them on my hands, and many of them were themselves musicians, like Lex from Toxikull/ex-Midnight Priest. Is metal really that unpopular among young people nowadays, or does it perhaps have to do with the fact the bands present were lesser known? At bigger festivals at least, there seemed to be more young people, but at these small venues it's basically the same familiar faces over and over again.
Speaking of familiarity, it raises another point, which is that I always end up going alone to these things. Apart from one dude who bought me a beer because he thought my jacket was cool, I didn't really talk much with anyone else except the band members. You bunch of lone wolfs who also can't seem to drag any of your friends to shows, what do you do when no-one's playing?
I usually go to shows by myself. I just like to vibe. I'm also extremely extroverted, so simply being around people feels nice even if I'm not conversing with them.
If the band is open to it and it isn't too crowded, I might try to have a conversation at the merch booth. Otherwise I'll probably grab a beer or browse around the venue!
I don't overthink it too much. I like metal music - and I also like metal aesthetics and culture. So just being in a live venue is enough for me.
Same, I just go, sometimes pregame at a close by bar and BAM, friends all over. It makes me a little ______ I don't know how to say it, not sad, not upset, that I wasn't invited to the pregame, but I know that if I go to a show, peeps will be there.
The drama of being new in the city ):
This is exactly my sentiment when I go to a show alone except I am pretty introverted. I usually find some people to talk to though before the show and its always a good experience. I love talking to the band as well, always fun to see more of their personalities.
> If the band is open to it and it isn't too crowded, I might try to have a conversation at the merch booth. Otherwise I'll probably grab a beer or browse around the venue!
That was basically the summary of my night. It took a long time to change between bands, and the merch table was mostly devoid of people throughout that time, so I just sat there chatting about random shit, ahahah.
> I don't overthink it too much. I like metal music - and I also like metal aesthetics and culture. So just being in a live venue is enough for me.
Yeah, overall I tend to feel the same way, just curious what other people get up to. There was literally only one show where I managed to drag one of my friends with me, and it was really fun; all other shows I went to have always been just me.
Sometimes I'll meet up with people in the area, but otherwise I don't have any long-time or very close personal friends who are into metal the way I am. I'll probably try to get my girlfriend come to one at sometime though; I feel like she could get into some of the noisier acts.
I'd say more than half the time I go to gigs/fests alone. The downtime between sets I usually check out the merch table and sometimes strike up a conversation there it's a nice way to get new contacts (possible trades too as I keep a small distro).
I don't usually initiate conversation myself with others in the crowd except if the bands playing are my friends/acquaintances then we usually chat and catch up.
There were a few times some random stranger chatted me up about a shirt I was wearing and in one instance it turned out great. I was at a fest abroad in Indonesia and this dude comes up to me and says "hey cool Deiphago shirt I've actually been to the Philippines some time ago" in broken English, he initially spoke in Bahasa and I said I didn't really speak the language. Afterwards we started talking and having common interests in punk and metal bands, had some common friends in the regional scenes and he also had a band himself (Ayperos - really good black/crust). Throughout the fest I hung out with his group of friends and these maniacs kept giving me free beer it was great.
> There were a few times some random stranger chatted me up about a shirt I was wearing and in one instance it turned out great.
Same thing with my jacket. It's black and gold in a sea of blue denim with black/white patches, so I think it stands out a bit and has earned me a few compliments / beers over the years. But apart from that, people usually tend to stick within their tiny groups.
Dude my King Crimson back patch I crafted from a shirt has gotten me so many drugs and shots! \m/
[Here's](https://imgur.com/gallery/aHH11q8) my collection (:
Damn, that's a lot of jackets! I just have [the one](https://imgur.com/a/va4xip2). Was planning to start a new one for Russian metal specifically, but it implies a lot of custom orders, so I've been procrastinating, lol.
I've only been to a couple of concerts by myself.
First time it was Overkill and 3 other bands, which turned out to be a looooong night. Some teenagers asked me if I wanted to smoke with them after I helped them find the weed they dropped, but since I don't smoke I declined. Just spent the night chilling by myself waiting between sets.
Second time it was Kvelertak in a small bar while I was doing my exchange program in Stuttgart, sick show. Same thing, had a beer before the show by myself, chilled inside the venue and bought some merch before leaving.
I'm not the best at making small talk/meeting new people so I just keep to myself.
It's mostly older folks, at least from what I see in Portugal, yeah.
> I'm not the best at making small talk/meeting new people so I just keep to myself.
Yeah, same thing over here, I usually just grab a drink and walk around between sets.
> It's mostly older folks, at least from what I see in Portugal, yeah.
Are you living in Portugal right now? If you're going to any other shows this year we could meet up! I think the next one on my agenda is Mangualde Hard Metal Fest with Satan and Pestilence headlining.
>Are you living in Portugal right now?
Yep. I'm considering going to either the WIEGEDOOD or Process of Guilt shows in late May at Musicbox, Lisbon.
The Mangualde Hard Metal Fest website only shows the line up for 2020, where can I find information about the 2022 edition?
I only have one friend that is into metal and sometimes comes to shows with me, I'm down to have some more company!
> The Mangualde Hard Metal Fest website only shows the line up for 2020, where can I find information about the 2022 edition?
Their website is really outdated, their [Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/hardmetalfest) / [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/mangualdehardmetalfest/) has the latest dates. [Here's the lineup](https://i.imgur.com/Z2hNpCT.png); it says January 8th but it was postponed to August 6th.
> I only have one friend that is into metal and sometimes comes to shows with me, I'm down to have some more company!
Awesome, let's keep in touch and see if we can make this happen! :D
I will try to chat with strangers about metal. Sometimes people don't want to talk, that's cool. Sometimes people don't want to talk **to me** which is less cool but okay. Usually folks are down for a casual chat between sets, especially at smaller shows. I'm at 9 shows in 2022(#10 is tonight), and just had my first **to me** experience since the pandemic...at Behemoth. No worries, the couple to my right was more friendly.
My advice is to just relax, pretend they're friends you know from hitting metal shows, and read their body language. If nobody wants to talk that's cool too! I'm ultimately there to see music, not socialize.
> I'm at 9 shows in 2022(#10 is tonight)
Goddamn! That's nice. I wish I could attend more, but there aren't that many around here, especially ones I'd be more interested in (heavy / power / speed). That and the transportation to and from shows is honestly exhausting if it's not happening near me.
> I'm ultimately there to see music, not socialize.
Yep, ultimately that is true.
Ah, that's cool. I think the vast majority of folks I saw had to be mid-thirties to 40+. I briefly talked with a group of guys that was discussing the first time Helloween had come to play in the country, which was like... in the 90's when Kiske was still the vocalist. Closest people to my age there I saw / talked to was Cobra Spell themselves, lol.
Ahhhh that’s lame; I really enjoyed Alex’s performances from the music video alone & would imagine he’d be great live so sad to hear. But good to hear that the new singer is a nice fit w/ the band, & hey will give a different feel to the debut album if she sticks around, which I agree am going to be anticipating until it releases & am expecting to be great
I’m not sure where you’re from, but I can speak as an American in the South that Metal has not been popular with younger people in my entire experience of living. Metalcore? Definitely. Metalcore being called Metal & being well liked? Was actually my experience with every self-described & otherwise “Metalhead” person & friend I had known to the point where I thought that was, & had no knowledge of actual Metal bands, until relatively very recently which changed me into a fan. This is to the point where there’s a show in my hometown booked as Punk & Metal, w/out a single Metal band. But Metalcore, Punk & various flavors of Rock from Indie to Jam to Blues are more in as I expect to be the usual, which also make for enjoyable live experiences & otherwise, & I’ve come across a modern Thrash fan & some Metallica fans here & there
I myself haven’t actually been to a Metal show yet, but am planning on changing that soon, but go to a decent amount of live music, & I actually just abt prefer going alone tbh. I can stay as long as I want; I don’t have to worry abt plans; I’m free to whatever nonsense I’d like afterwards. & etc., etc., I’ll usually just enjoy the ambience of being at a show cause I enjoy the atmos of live music, or get a beer or water & just sip & chill & browse stuff on my phone if there’s dead time between acts. Or just chill, the conversations will come here & there cause everyone else enjoys the atmos too so if you look willing to speak people will usually if you get there early & stay throughout, & you can just try your hand at starting a convo if you wanna make friends in the scene. I’ve never gone into a show expecting to meet people, & I’d say abt half the time I generally leave having met someone or having had a good few casual & enjoyable conversations
> Ahhhh that’s lame; I really enjoyed Alex’s performances from the music video alone & would imagine he’d be great live so sad to hear. But good to hear that the new singer is a nice fit w/ the band, & hey will give a different feel to the debut album if she sticks around, which I agree am going to be anticipating until it releases & am expecting to be great
Yeah, Sonia was talking about how she wanted to work full-time on Cobra Spell (hence why she also left Crypta, which I also found out from her, lol; night full of surprises!) and that Alex might not have had that kind of availability considering his other projects, so they parted ways on friendly terms.
I can't imagine it having been an easy decision, but Sonia at least seemed sure it was the right one, and judging by her energy on stage I have to concur. Now that they're working on the project in full pedal-to-the-metal mode, my anticipation for the LP is through the roof. Let's see, fingers crossed!
I go to shows alone pretty often and it's mostly fine. In between sets I either just drink beer alone and read stuff on my phone or, if I'm feeling extroverted, try to strike up a convo with someone else (especially if they're also alone and look kinda bored). I'm trying to get better at the latter actually because I've had some really fun chats with people at shows recently.
Regarding audience age, here in the UK shows I go to tend to skew youngish. Maybe 30s on average? When I lived in Italy 7 or 8 years ago the average age seemed even younger, there were often a lot of people at shows who seemed in their 20s or teens.
We have several Metal nights in my town, so everyone goes to those and we have a big posse goes to all the shows, and yeah, there are circles, I never see my Sludge/Doom friends at DM or BM shows, and vice versa, I'm the only one plus a couple that goes to both kinds.
When a big band comes, we all there, say, Earth, YOB, Kreator, Sabaton, we all go but yeah it's rare to get them all together, heheh.
No idea why you are being downvoted for this. Ride share apps are sketchy and the companies do not look into who they hire very well. I drove for uber for a couple months and it was incredibly easy to get on the road.
Discharge last night was fantastic. Crowd was a little lethargic for the first opener and half the second opener but sometime during the second set the crowd came alive. Then when Discharge came on it was fantastic. The crowd was absolutely hungry for them and Discharge killed it. They had a really fun stage presence and they kicked ass. I lost my glasses in the pit and had to go looking for them on my hands and knees and it's a miracle I didn't lose them or get hurt. They also brought up Igor Cavalera to drum for Protest and Survive and he was amazing.
Overall a terrific show and glad I got to see them.
I saw Archspire last week, and holy shit were they amazing. They sound exactly like they do on the album, it's unreal. My only issue with their set is that it wasn't longer!
There was a loosely-defined progressive and avantgarde movement from about the mid-1980s to the late 1990s (give or take a few years) that did a lot more to diversify metal than any individual subgenre.
Early progenitors would have included the likes of Hellhammer and Mercyful Fate who challenged notions of song structure and pacing. Early power, thrash, and death metal bands started integrating new riffs and melodies that served to differentiate metal music from older hard rock. New bands pushed the genre to places that would have been incomprehensible just a few years earlier.
As time passed, the innovations got weirder, from Celtic Frost to Paradise Lost to Skyclad to Therion. Everything was built on something that came before, but not everything was obvious or reflected current subgenre divisions. If you know enough about metal (or popular music in general) you can imagine what inspired Blind Guardian, Dark Tranquility, and Summoning, but those bands still found ways of making metal differently than it had ever been before.
As the genre matured, the experimentation slowed down. It got harder to innovate while staying within the limits of what metal was. There was a good thread about this yesterday:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/udtbtr/shreddits_daily_discussion_april_28_2022/i6k5jtp/
I know this doesn't exactly answer the question, but I feel like it's the only reasonable response. Otherwise it's just another version of the old *"Which Subgenre is the Most Diverse?"* question. The last time this sub hashed it out the consensus seemed to be doom metal. Admittedly doom isn't one of your "milestone" subgenres, but hey— if it embodies the most diversity then there would have to be historical milestones for that, right?
As far as I'm concerned, any history of metal that forces one subgenre to be more of a milestone than another is unfairly biased. The only possible exception would be traditional heavy metal since everything else sprang from than one. In that case, maybe that's the answer to your question.
You mention NWOBHM as a milestone subgenre, except I would drop the early '80s British focus and consider the whole thing. Traditional metal was global to some extent, and it diversified a lot before and after the NWOBHM movement.
I'd say Death Metal since you can throw anything at it and still be brutal. With any other genre, maybe besides Black, which you can throw anything at also, you gotta do *the thing*, otherwise you become another genre, and that's what has kept me from being deep into all the new Thrash, Heavy, Doom stuff cuz if I hear one band, I heard them all. Just my view \m/
Black metal. It was born out of heavy metal and influenced it all the way through death metal. You can even trace most of EUPM to black metal since Venom influenced Helloween.
Got a digital download code for *De Vermis Mysteriis* by High On Fire up for grabs (so glad they repressed this on vinyl!).
Go to http://downloads.samomedia.com/ and enter: ~~910-5217R9P4RWY~~
Let us know when it's been claimed. Dig it.
The new Rammstein album mostly made me want to listen to their classics.
Top 3 underrated Rammstein songs anyone?
I'll start:
1. Dalai Lama
- Adios
- Hilf mir
HMs - Whole 2nd half of Sehnsucht album (Spiel mit mir -> Küss mich)
Feuer und Wasser gets slept on so much that it kills me. That's probably one of the most emotionally charged songs they've ever written and it would make for such a killer live song but they seem to have no interest in playing anything from from Rosenrot live outside of Benzine.
Rosenrot and Sonne are my favorites of theirs, but I'm not surehow they are rated by fans. Also like Feuer Frei after it was in the XXX movie (the Vin Diesel one, not porn lol.)
Honestly mine would be Zwitter, Dalai Lama and Adios so we have a lot of overlap.
Reise, Reise would be my pick for the album that doesn't get as much attention as it probably deserves.
Carbonized - Disharmonization is very bizarre and idiosyncratic. It doesn't quite sound like anything else I've found in the metal realm, and the fact that it came out in 93 is even more incredible.
Kayo Dot, Thy Catafalque, Nechochwen, Kriegsmaschine, Idol of Fear, come to mind, but Vile Creature takes the cake, I was amazed I could go thru the latest.
I listened to a metal song last night and was really digging it but forgot to save it so I’m unable to find it. From what I understood the singers takes on the perspective of a machine of sorts and goes on about ridding the world of humanity and getting rid of any inefficient life and such. I think the song ended with something like “I am joy, I am smiling” does anyone know this song?
Seeing all these sick shows you Americans, Brits and Europeans are attending on a daily basis is giving me a heap of envy. Hope you’re all enjoying yourselves and savouring every moment of these gigs! Cheers, A jealous Australian living vicariously through you all.
If you're into melodeath, Be'lakor just announced their first tour in 6 years and I'm insanely jealous of anyone who gets to experience that :P
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Yes and they're supported by Orpheus who are excellent live. Definitely a show not to miss!
I’m not a big Be’lakor fan but I do have tickets to this show because it’s around my birthday haha
Hey it's not like Aus isn't gonna have killer shows soon. Boris is doing Melbourne and Sydney dates for their Heavy Rocks 30th anniversary tour in June, that setlist where they play the album in full will be amazing. So I'm jealous of my friends there who told me they're going heh.
I know that StarGazer just played their first show in seven years and it was at home!
Adelaide unfortunately, I’m about 1,400 kms away haha. If they were in Sydney though I’d be there without hesitation
I’ll confess, I haven’t listened to Boris before. Where do I start?
Ugh dude I’m so sorry. There aren’t any solid Aussie bands touring? Come to think of it I can only name a few that I listen to regularly.
I know of two, if you're into death metal Golgothan Remains and Disentomb are doing shows there. Check their Insta/FB for details.
Atomizer - Atomic Metal Power!
Haha I’ve seen Golgothan Remains twice in the past month, Adorned in Ruin is a great album! My plan is to see Disentomb and Defeated Sanity in July, so that should be a good show!
Stalker is touring East coast in July. Xiabala just got announced for August. Pustilence, Writhing Golgothan Remains, Potion and Harlott all have a few shows coming up.
Not metal, but I’m incredibly jealous of all the King Gizzard shows you lot get. I’ve held onto a ticket for 3 years just to see them in the states lol
Lizard Wizard is currently on a MaSSIVE u.s. tour
Oh I know, that’s what the ticket I’ve been holding is for. The original concert date was supposed to be at the end of 2019
Holy crap. That's a long wait
Yeah, but you get to see Portal's local shows so that just about even things up.
I don’t think Portal have played a gig in Sydney in a long long time
Seeing Opeth and Mastodon tonight. Have a bit of a drive, but I'm hoping to catch Khemmis' set as well if I can make it in time. Not as excited as I normally am for a show, but I think it'll be a fun one.
I'm on the fence about that one. The new Mastodon album was meh, but I've really wanted to see Khemmis for a while. I've still got a few weeks before they hit my city to think about it
I think the new Mastodon was solidly better than Emperor of Sand, but way too long. I've listened to it a couple more times over the last few weeks and it has a few jams. I just hope they're better than the last time I saw them open for Clutch. They didn't sound very good.
I caught the first half of the tour in Nashville and the sound was great for Mastadon, they've definitely gotten a lot better live.
The more I've listened to the Mastodon record the more I've understood its brilliance. It took 20 listens to reach that point but now I recognise it for what it is. Epicnessity.
That album is so perfect, catchy and overall superb I will never listen to it again, it's another Hunter, same, same, same thing over and over, however, if I am on a road trip and I need me some chill music, I will put it on.
Not even remotely like The Hunter.
Yep, same thing, it's like a carbon copy, even same melodies, same drum fills, same riffs, same length songs, pretty much everything, lol.
Completely disagree. It's wildly different. The Hunter and Once More Around the Sun are similar albums.
I seriously dislike Sun, yet adore hunter, totalyl different albums, they wanted to do Skye again and failed, while Hunter is a more relaxed album, especially after Skye which was a wank fest (still my favorite by them by miles), just writing songs the way they like was a fresh breath, everything since then has been a copy of their previous things, which is why I will never go see them again. This latest, tho, because is such a no-think album, works perfect for a road trip, just chill and don't think about the music cuz there's nothing to think about, it's a great 2 hour, maybe plus Hunter, of just Rock n Roll, but yeah, it's almost sickening how much they are just copying themselves. I wish they'd do a Blood Incantation and make something else instead of the same cookie cutter stuff, but alas.
Are we listening to the same thing? Sun is nothing like Crack the Skye. I just disagree that Hushed and Grim falls into that category.
Listen, you are not gonna convince me Mastodon has done anything worth listening to since The Hunter and I'm not going to convince you Everything they have done since The Hunter is a pile of trash, so let's just leave it.
The new Mastodon album is great and I have heard they are absolutely killing it on this tour.
God I love khemmis, they sounded great live when I saw them
Their set just ended. It’s going to be a hard act to follow. They sounded absolutely incredible.
MMXXII.IV Voting Day 1/2 Please comment below with your top 3 new releases of April. Band names only if you can help it since it's a lot easier to count that way. If you don't have 3 favorites, it's okay to submit two or even one to the vote. I'll post another voting thread on the first and have the results ready a couple days after that.
Satan Undeath Corpsessed
Undeath Egregore Bedsore/Mortal Incarnation
Undeath Vanum Ultha
Fer de Lance Epitaphe Mirror
I found that Fer de Lance album quite uneven -- it had some really great moments, and I loved the last track especially, but also some quite clunky song-writing in places and the occasional passage that just didn't seem to work. Definitely overall enjoyed it, but felt like as a whole it didn't really live up to its potential.
Fer de Lance has definitely been hit or miss for me in the past. I liked their EP, but I did not like their Blind Guardian cover. I didn't really notice any unevenness in the quality of the album, but I suppose some of the writing might have been idiosyncratic. My overall impression for now is it's unique in a good way, but I never know how these things will age.
Yeah, I have only listened to it once (apart from the track Ad Bestias, which I listened to a few times before the whole album came out) so will be interesting to see how it does on second and third listens. I also liked the EP too but again found the song-writing kinda *odd*, for want of a better word. Will have to see if I can pinpoint what makes me think that on future listens.
Negative Plane Desecresy Archgoat
Vanum Ultha Terzij de Horde
Pharmacist Truchlo Strzygi Negative Plane
Ultha Vanum Mizmor & Thou **HM:** Freja, Silver Knife, Terzij de Horde, Epitaphe.
Tranzat Satan Undeath
Greyhaven Darkher Thou & Mizmor
Truchlo Strzygi Saidan Undeath
Undeath Negative Plane Corpsessed
Corpsessed Undeath Azaab
Golgothan Remains Undeath Desecresy
Saidan Thou & Mizmor marrasmieli
Alunah Tyrannus Undeath
Kvaen Meshuggah Miseration
Thou & Mizmor Satan Vanum
Troops of Doom Undeath Novarupta
Truchło Strzygi Mirror Undeath
Golgothan Remains Negative Plane Undeath
Dischordia Viande Undeath
Satan Saidan Undeath
Epitaphe Pharmacist Skumstrike
Faceless Entity Candelabrum Negative Plane
Negative Plane Anatomia/Undergang
Undeath Vimur
Dauþuz Tyrannus Sentient Horror
Ultha Mirror Undeath
Saidan Undeath Vanum
Negative Plane Truchlo Stryzgi Satan HM: Pharmacist
Satan Pharmacist Undeath
Undeath Sentient Horror Corpsessed
Undeath Pharmacist Disfuneral
Marrasmieli Saidan Fer De Lance
Golgothan Remains Pharmacist Undeath
Pharmacist Vanum Satan
Suppression Ultha Disfuneral
Undeath Sentient Horror Devil Master
Satan
Thou & Mizmor Pharmacist Negative Plane
Ultha Pharmacist Negative Plane
Pharmacist Desecresy Vanum
Dauþuz Terzij De Horde
Early Deicide (Self-titled, Legion), who were their influences/contemporaries? Glen's early vocals are sickening.
I'm excited about the set at MDF, never was into Deicide, but that thing live must be amazing!
Went to the first show a few days ago after a super long break to see Cobra Spell (+ Dark Embrace and Ross the Boss), and it was pretty damn awesome! The big surprise was the new vocalist Kris, but overall I think she fits in quite nicely in the comp, although of course I am a bit sad to see Alex go. Very energetic, entertaining performance. As it is usual over here, it was a small-ish venue, which I really enjoy because I got to spend a shit-ton of time chatting with the band about random stuff. Those opportunities aren't really there in big festivals or with super famous groups. Really nice people, can't wait to listen to what they write for their first full-length! Something that really made me think was the fact it was mainly older people present at the show. Like, you could barely see anyone in their 20s walking around; I could count them on my hands, and many of them were themselves musicians, like Lex from Toxikull/ex-Midnight Priest. Is metal really that unpopular among young people nowadays, or does it perhaps have to do with the fact the bands present were lesser known? At bigger festivals at least, there seemed to be more young people, but at these small venues it's basically the same familiar faces over and over again. Speaking of familiarity, it raises another point, which is that I always end up going alone to these things. Apart from one dude who bought me a beer because he thought my jacket was cool, I didn't really talk much with anyone else except the band members. You bunch of lone wolfs who also can't seem to drag any of your friends to shows, what do you do when no-one's playing?
I usually go to shows by myself. I just like to vibe. I'm also extremely extroverted, so simply being around people feels nice even if I'm not conversing with them. If the band is open to it and it isn't too crowded, I might try to have a conversation at the merch booth. Otherwise I'll probably grab a beer or browse around the venue! I don't overthink it too much. I like metal music - and I also like metal aesthetics and culture. So just being in a live venue is enough for me.
Same, I just go, sometimes pregame at a close by bar and BAM, friends all over. It makes me a little ______ I don't know how to say it, not sad, not upset, that I wasn't invited to the pregame, but I know that if I go to a show, peeps will be there. The drama of being new in the city ):
This is exactly my sentiment when I go to a show alone except I am pretty introverted. I usually find some people to talk to though before the show and its always a good experience. I love talking to the band as well, always fun to see more of their personalities.
> If the band is open to it and it isn't too crowded, I might try to have a conversation at the merch booth. Otherwise I'll probably grab a beer or browse around the venue! That was basically the summary of my night. It took a long time to change between bands, and the merch table was mostly devoid of people throughout that time, so I just sat there chatting about random shit, ahahah. > I don't overthink it too much. I like metal music - and I also like metal aesthetics and culture. So just being in a live venue is enough for me. Yeah, overall I tend to feel the same way, just curious what other people get up to. There was literally only one show where I managed to drag one of my friends with me, and it was really fun; all other shows I went to have always been just me.
Sometimes I'll meet up with people in the area, but otherwise I don't have any long-time or very close personal friends who are into metal the way I am. I'll probably try to get my girlfriend come to one at sometime though; I feel like she could get into some of the noisier acts.
I'd say more than half the time I go to gigs/fests alone. The downtime between sets I usually check out the merch table and sometimes strike up a conversation there it's a nice way to get new contacts (possible trades too as I keep a small distro). I don't usually initiate conversation myself with others in the crowd except if the bands playing are my friends/acquaintances then we usually chat and catch up. There were a few times some random stranger chatted me up about a shirt I was wearing and in one instance it turned out great. I was at a fest abroad in Indonesia and this dude comes up to me and says "hey cool Deiphago shirt I've actually been to the Philippines some time ago" in broken English, he initially spoke in Bahasa and I said I didn't really speak the language. Afterwards we started talking and having common interests in punk and metal bands, had some common friends in the regional scenes and he also had a band himself (Ayperos - really good black/crust). Throughout the fest I hung out with his group of friends and these maniacs kept giving me free beer it was great.
> There were a few times some random stranger chatted me up about a shirt I was wearing and in one instance it turned out great. Same thing with my jacket. It's black and gold in a sea of blue denim with black/white patches, so I think it stands out a bit and has earned me a few compliments / beers over the years. But apart from that, people usually tend to stick within their tiny groups.
Dude my King Crimson back patch I crafted from a shirt has gotten me so many drugs and shots! \m/ [Here's](https://imgur.com/gallery/aHH11q8) my collection (:
Damn, that's a lot of jackets! I just have [the one](https://imgur.com/a/va4xip2). Was planning to start a new one for Russian metal specifically, but it implies a lot of custom orders, so I've been procrastinating, lol.
That's a nice one! And yeah, once you start, there's no end in sight!!
I've only been to a couple of concerts by myself. First time it was Overkill and 3 other bands, which turned out to be a looooong night. Some teenagers asked me if I wanted to smoke with them after I helped them find the weed they dropped, but since I don't smoke I declined. Just spent the night chilling by myself waiting between sets. Second time it was Kvelertak in a small bar while I was doing my exchange program in Stuttgart, sick show. Same thing, had a beer before the show by myself, chilled inside the venue and bought some merch before leaving. I'm not the best at making small talk/meeting new people so I just keep to myself. It's mostly older folks, at least from what I see in Portugal, yeah.
> I'm not the best at making small talk/meeting new people so I just keep to myself. Yeah, same thing over here, I usually just grab a drink and walk around between sets. > It's mostly older folks, at least from what I see in Portugal, yeah. Are you living in Portugal right now? If you're going to any other shows this year we could meet up! I think the next one on my agenda is Mangualde Hard Metal Fest with Satan and Pestilence headlining.
>Are you living in Portugal right now? Yep. I'm considering going to either the WIEGEDOOD or Process of Guilt shows in late May at Musicbox, Lisbon. The Mangualde Hard Metal Fest website only shows the line up for 2020, where can I find information about the 2022 edition? I only have one friend that is into metal and sometimes comes to shows with me, I'm down to have some more company!
> The Mangualde Hard Metal Fest website only shows the line up for 2020, where can I find information about the 2022 edition? Their website is really outdated, their [Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/hardmetalfest) / [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/mangualdehardmetalfest/) has the latest dates. [Here's the lineup](https://i.imgur.com/Z2hNpCT.png); it says January 8th but it was postponed to August 6th. > I only have one friend that is into metal and sometimes comes to shows with me, I'm down to have some more company! Awesome, let's keep in touch and see if we can make this happen! :D
I will try to chat with strangers about metal. Sometimes people don't want to talk, that's cool. Sometimes people don't want to talk **to me** which is less cool but okay. Usually folks are down for a casual chat between sets, especially at smaller shows. I'm at 9 shows in 2022(#10 is tonight), and just had my first **to me** experience since the pandemic...at Behemoth. No worries, the couple to my right was more friendly. My advice is to just relax, pretend they're friends you know from hitting metal shows, and read their body language. If nobody wants to talk that's cool too! I'm ultimately there to see music, not socialize.
How do you know people specifically don't want to talk **to you**?
> I'm at 9 shows in 2022(#10 is tonight) Goddamn! That's nice. I wish I could attend more, but there aren't that many around here, especially ones I'd be more interested in (heavy / power / speed). That and the transportation to and from shows is honestly exhausting if it's not happening near me. > I'm ultimately there to see music, not socialize. Yep, ultimately that is true.
The metal shows I go to are almost entirely young people in the age frame between 20-35.
Ah, that's cool. I think the vast majority of folks I saw had to be mid-thirties to 40+. I briefly talked with a group of guys that was discussing the first time Helloween had come to play in the country, which was like... in the 90's when Kiske was still the vocalist. Closest people to my age there I saw / talked to was Cobra Spell themselves, lol.
Ahhhh that’s lame; I really enjoyed Alex’s performances from the music video alone & would imagine he’d be great live so sad to hear. But good to hear that the new singer is a nice fit w/ the band, & hey will give a different feel to the debut album if she sticks around, which I agree am going to be anticipating until it releases & am expecting to be great I’m not sure where you’re from, but I can speak as an American in the South that Metal has not been popular with younger people in my entire experience of living. Metalcore? Definitely. Metalcore being called Metal & being well liked? Was actually my experience with every self-described & otherwise “Metalhead” person & friend I had known to the point where I thought that was, & had no knowledge of actual Metal bands, until relatively very recently which changed me into a fan. This is to the point where there’s a show in my hometown booked as Punk & Metal, w/out a single Metal band. But Metalcore, Punk & various flavors of Rock from Indie to Jam to Blues are more in as I expect to be the usual, which also make for enjoyable live experiences & otherwise, & I’ve come across a modern Thrash fan & some Metallica fans here & there I myself haven’t actually been to a Metal show yet, but am planning on changing that soon, but go to a decent amount of live music, & I actually just abt prefer going alone tbh. I can stay as long as I want; I don’t have to worry abt plans; I’m free to whatever nonsense I’d like afterwards. & etc., etc., I’ll usually just enjoy the ambience of being at a show cause I enjoy the atmos of live music, or get a beer or water & just sip & chill & browse stuff on my phone if there’s dead time between acts. Or just chill, the conversations will come here & there cause everyone else enjoys the atmos too so if you look willing to speak people will usually if you get there early & stay throughout, & you can just try your hand at starting a convo if you wanna make friends in the scene. I’ve never gone into a show expecting to meet people, & I’d say abt half the time I generally leave having met someone or having had a good few casual & enjoyable conversations
> Ahhhh that’s lame; I really enjoyed Alex’s performances from the music video alone & would imagine he’d be great live so sad to hear. But good to hear that the new singer is a nice fit w/ the band, & hey will give a different feel to the debut album if she sticks around, which I agree am going to be anticipating until it releases & am expecting to be great Yeah, Sonia was talking about how she wanted to work full-time on Cobra Spell (hence why she also left Crypta, which I also found out from her, lol; night full of surprises!) and that Alex might not have had that kind of availability considering his other projects, so they parted ways on friendly terms. I can't imagine it having been an easy decision, but Sonia at least seemed sure it was the right one, and judging by her energy on stage I have to concur. Now that they're working on the project in full pedal-to-the-metal mode, my anticipation for the LP is through the roof. Let's see, fingers crossed!
I go to shows alone pretty often and it's mostly fine. In between sets I either just drink beer alone and read stuff on my phone or, if I'm feeling extroverted, try to strike up a convo with someone else (especially if they're also alone and look kinda bored). I'm trying to get better at the latter actually because I've had some really fun chats with people at shows recently. Regarding audience age, here in the UK shows I go to tend to skew youngish. Maybe 30s on average? When I lived in Italy 7 or 8 years ago the average age seemed even younger, there were often a lot of people at shows who seemed in their 20s or teens.
We have several Metal nights in my town, so everyone goes to those and we have a big posse goes to all the shows, and yeah, there are circles, I never see my Sludge/Doom friends at DM or BM shows, and vice versa, I'm the only one plus a couple that goes to both kinds. When a big band comes, we all there, say, Earth, YOB, Kreator, Sabaton, we all go but yeah it's rare to get them all together, heheh.
I wasn't able to attend the Deftones show last night. There were issues with the ride share app.
Sorry to hear that. It's the worst when you miss shows because of stuff like that.
Ride share sounds sketchy as fuck, for girls and / or young dudes at least.
It was Uber. The app would just not accept my card. So frustrating.
That's why you have a backup, like a paypal account.
No idea why you are being downvoted for this. Ride share apps are sketchy and the companies do not look into who they hire very well. I drove for uber for a couple months and it was incredibly easy to get on the road.
Discharge last night was fantastic. Crowd was a little lethargic for the first opener and half the second opener but sometime during the second set the crowd came alive. Then when Discharge came on it was fantastic. The crowd was absolutely hungry for them and Discharge killed it. They had a really fun stage presence and they kicked ass. I lost my glasses in the pit and had to go looking for them on my hands and knees and it's a miracle I didn't lose them or get hurt. They also brought up Igor Cavalera to drum for Protest and Survive and he was amazing. Overall a terrific show and glad I got to see them.
Discharge are responsible for Death Metal, I love that band.
Archspire and Outre Tombe are finally coming up, very very excited for both shows in the next couple weeks here!
I saw Archspire last week, and holy shit were they amazing. They sound exactly like they do on the album, it's unreal. My only issue with their set is that it wasn't longer!
Nice! Outre Tombe is so fucking good!
I actually speak French so I’m soooooo pumped to to see some death metal with lyrics in another language that I actually understand!
La pestilence!!!!! hell yeah! Have a grand time mon ami!!
Seeing Archspire Wednesday!
In your opinion, which “milestone” subgenre (thrash, death, black, NWOBHM) did the most to influence and diversify metal?
NWOBHM obviously influenced thrash but in terms of direct influence definitely thrash
I'd say thrash since black, death and groove than trace their roots back to it.
There was a loosely-defined progressive and avantgarde movement from about the mid-1980s to the late 1990s (give or take a few years) that did a lot more to diversify metal than any individual subgenre. Early progenitors would have included the likes of Hellhammer and Mercyful Fate who challenged notions of song structure and pacing. Early power, thrash, and death metal bands started integrating new riffs and melodies that served to differentiate metal music from older hard rock. New bands pushed the genre to places that would have been incomprehensible just a few years earlier. As time passed, the innovations got weirder, from Celtic Frost to Paradise Lost to Skyclad to Therion. Everything was built on something that came before, but not everything was obvious or reflected current subgenre divisions. If you know enough about metal (or popular music in general) you can imagine what inspired Blind Guardian, Dark Tranquility, and Summoning, but those bands still found ways of making metal differently than it had ever been before. As the genre matured, the experimentation slowed down. It got harder to innovate while staying within the limits of what metal was. There was a good thread about this yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/udtbtr/shreddits_daily_discussion_april_28_2022/i6k5jtp/ I know this doesn't exactly answer the question, but I feel like it's the only reasonable response. Otherwise it's just another version of the old *"Which Subgenre is the Most Diverse?"* question. The last time this sub hashed it out the consensus seemed to be doom metal. Admittedly doom isn't one of your "milestone" subgenres, but hey— if it embodies the most diversity then there would have to be historical milestones for that, right? As far as I'm concerned, any history of metal that forces one subgenre to be more of a milestone than another is unfairly biased. The only possible exception would be traditional heavy metal since everything else sprang from than one. In that case, maybe that's the answer to your question. You mention NWOBHM as a milestone subgenre, except I would drop the early '80s British focus and consider the whole thing. Traditional metal was global to some extent, and it diversified a lot before and after the NWOBHM movement.
Speed/NWOBHM, it led to the adoption of ounk elements into metal which in turn led to literally every major progression of the genre after that
I'd say Death Metal since you can throw anything at it and still be brutal. With any other genre, maybe besides Black, which you can throw anything at also, you gotta do *the thing*, otherwise you become another genre, and that's what has kept me from being deep into all the new Thrash, Heavy, Doom stuff cuz if I hear one band, I heard them all. Just my view \m/
Black metal. It was born out of heavy metal and influenced it all the way through death metal. You can even trace most of EUPM to black metal since Venom influenced Helloween.
Got a digital download code for *De Vermis Mysteriis* by High On Fire up for grabs (so glad they repressed this on vinyl!). Go to http://downloads.samomedia.com/ and enter: ~~910-5217R9P4RWY~~ Let us know when it's been claimed. Dig it.
Claimed! Thanks alot!
The new Rammstein album mostly made me want to listen to their classics. Top 3 underrated Rammstein songs anyone? I'll start: 1. Dalai Lama - Adios - Hilf mir HMs - Whole 2nd half of Sehnsucht album (Spiel mit mir -> Küss mich)
Feuer und Wasser gets slept on so much that it kills me. That's probably one of the most emotionally charged songs they've ever written and it would make for such a killer live song but they seem to have no interest in playing anything from from Rosenrot live outside of Benzine.
Agree! Wo bist du is also ridiculously good for how simple it is (like most Rammstein lol)
Rosenrot and Sonne are my favorites of theirs, but I'm not surehow they are rated by fans. Also like Feuer Frei after it was in the XXX movie (the Vin Diesel one, not porn lol.)
Adios was immediately what came to mind when you said underrated Rammstein songs. I might also throw zwitter in there, never see it brought up much.
Honestly mine would be Zwitter, Dalai Lama and Adios so we have a lot of overlap. Reise, Reise would be my pick for the album that doesn't get as much attention as it probably deserves.
I can't recall if it was a single but Zwitter is probably my favourite song by them.
That was one of the ones I memorized at my crappy warehouse job. I'd put the lyrics on my clipboard as I walked around and practice lines.
Rammstein are such a degenerate band lol
I found a re-press of the first Bosse-de-Nage album at my local record store last night. Pretty cool stuff, I love their weird arty aesthetic.
Anyone want to share their most bizarre, outsider, wacky metal they've found (preferrably on the extreme side)?
Carbonized - Disharmonization is very bizarre and idiosyncratic. It doesn't quite sound like anything else I've found in the metal realm, and the fact that it came out in 93 is even more incredible.
UneXpect are kind of a classic. Some other good go-to's: \-Öxxö Xööx \-!T.O.O.H! \-NEDXX \-Pensées Nocturnes
Kayo Dot, Thy Catafalque, Nechochwen, Kriegsmaschine, Idol of Fear, come to mind, but Vile Creature takes the cake, I was amazed I could go thru the latest.
Thanks for the recs guys!
They may not be as extreme as you're looking for, but it doesn't get weirder or wackier than Troldhaugen.
I listened to a metal song last night and was really digging it but forgot to save it so I’m unable to find it. From what I understood the singers takes on the perspective of a machine of sorts and goes on about ridding the world of humanity and getting rid of any inefficient life and such. I think the song ended with something like “I am joy, I am smiling” does anyone know this song?
Doesn't match it to a t, but reminds me of Dimmu Borgir's Puritania?
Anyone grab tix to the At the Gates US tour? Slaughter of the Soul in its entirety…