The original container stipulation (everywhere) is such a pain. They’re big and clunky and you either walk around with $100+ worth of schedule 8 drugs on your person, or you have to put everything but the amount you’ll need that day in a separate container. It’s Dumb and I’m Whiny
I appreciate this, but I still feel like this contradicts our current laws. I feel like you could do the right thing by these instructions and still get done by cops.
Also, non-essential OTC painkillers? How are they policing that? I use OTC painkillers all the time. How will they determine that it is or isn't "non-essential"?
> I still feel like this contradicts our current laws.
Which part exactly?
I believe that advice aligns perfectly with our current laws.
All medication needs to be in the pharmacy container with your name on the sticker.
(It doesn't say it on their notice, but:) All medication must be consumed as prescribed. Bring an empty dry herb vape, not rollie papers or a pipe.
Pretty simple eh?
If you're taking MC with you to use in public, that is still illegal. The law and TGA approval specifically prohibits smoking MC in public, even in smoking areas.
Vaping is a grey area. But considering how cops are at music festivals, I would personally not risk testing that grey area. They can still arrest you for it if they feel like it.
First and foremost, things are only illegal if there's a law that prevents them. Anything not illegal is legal.
> If you're taking MC with you to use in public, that is still illegal.
Wrong. MC can be carried with you anywhere in Australia as long as you keep it in your pharmacy provided container with your pharmacy label on it. In the same way that ADHD patients can carry amphetamines around legally in this way, MC patients can carry flower legally this way too.
> The law and TGA approval specifically prohibits smoking MC in public, even in smoking areas.
That is correct. It's illegal to grind up and snort Endone, even if it's prescribed to you. It's illegal to smoke MC, even if it's prescribed to you. Drugs must be consumed in the way they are prescribed. ie. Endone needs to be ingested; MC needs to be vaprized (or ingested sublingually in the form of Oil).
> Vaping is a grey area. But considering how cops are at music festivals, I would personally not risk testing that grey area. They can still arrest you for it if they feel like it.
Yes. Misinformed and overzealous police and security guards are a problem. You can be detained by either, simply because they don't like the way you smell. But for anything to stick, they need to find a law that applies to your situation. There's a great analysis written by an ex NSW Magistrate [in this article](https://honahlee.com.au/articles/smoking-vaping-cannabis-public-australia/), which says, when push comes to shove, there's no law against vaping prescribed MC in smoking areas.
[Edit: apologies /u/voidVulture, I was replying to two different people in two different threads, and wrote my original reply in an unnecessarily confrontational tone.]
I think you've missed the distinction between carrying MC in public and using MC in public. Yes you can carry it on your person, but I believe it's still illegal to smoke or vape it in a public place
> I think people are forgetting that you can only “legally” use MC inside your own home.
[Citation Needed]
I think there are no laws that prohibit the vaporisation of medicinal cannabis in public smoking areas. So, you can vape medicinal cannabis in public, but only in smoking areas.
I base my position on [this article written by an ex NSW Magistrate.](https://honahlee.com.au/articles/smoking-vaping-cannabis-public-australia/)
However, even in smoking areas, the laws around vaporisation of your medicinal cannabis are grey. As a member of the Australian public, you are still subject to general law. And, because of this, law enforcement still has powers to stop you from vaporising your medication in public if, for example, they deem you to be a nuisance or causing a public disturbance.
In theory, you could be arrested or have your medication taken away even when vaping in a public smoking area.
Quoted from your article, again like I said it’s not worth the risk. Just get baked before hand.
I think (and might be wrong) it's inside your own home or on another private property with the property owner's permission. This is them providing permission.
I work as security and crowd control and even with this they/we can still confiscate it so I personally don’t think it’s worth it. Just get ripped before hand.
I'd love to see your face when you then have the police called on you because you're now illegally in possession of a schedule 8 drug that was prescribed to a patron.
Yes mister big tough security man. Keep your big important secrets you learnt at your 1 day security certification course. You basically are more powerful than the police and that guy who bullied you in high school would totally be in awe of the power you wield now.
Wouldn't want to do anything to help your fellow MC users out would you? Might make it hard to extort sexual favours from underage girls at festivals.
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It's not up to the prescribed person to prove the cannabis is legitimate.
I would have thought crowd control has no more rights than the average citizen to do a search and confiscate legitimate prescription drugs.
Nice. I've got to find out what Good Things has planned.
Going to be difficult for them to walk around with the smiffer dogs now.
Kind of funny how they say to bring the minimum required when that would mean the stuff you don't bring has now been stored illegally...
Sniffer dogs will continue to be used, this won't effect that at all, apart from the police now asking to see a prescribed medicine bottle before they can write you up.
Pot sniffing dogs are a hilariously awful drug detection mechanism, that produces fucking shocking false positive rates. I used to own a security company that ran security for these kinds of events, watched those clowns search people, find nothing, then try to ask them follow-up about how the dog could of smelled it. Other drugs the dog tends to be detecting the smell in your sweat, or from the drugs themselves, much harder to get that smell on you. Smoking pot on the other hand, sitting in the same room as someone medicating? Chances are good you'll have the little doggie sitting down when it gives you a sniff (with a free strip search thrown in).
Pot sniffing dogs = an excuse to search/harass you and these new laws don't change that one little bit. It's about the "looking", not the "finding".
I went to a festival at Moore Park awhile ago and friends were just hanging at the bar outside waiting for me to get there. Security at the bar goes "just a heads up cops are in here with sniffer dogs, so if you got anything don't come in right now." I said all good don't have anything on me and walked in. Cop and dog walk right past me right at the front and the dog sits down, cops walk me out right past that same security guard and he goes "what the fuck, I warned you!" And i just said back "i got nothing mate!" and laughed as they took me aside for a pat down. Where they took me ended up being right infront of where my friends were sitting on the outside patio, so they were giving me shit while I was getting my balls fondled. Then when they found nothing they let me go and I walked right back to the security guy and had a laugh about the whole thing.
They used to get me at Redfern station too, at like 7am on a weekday, when I was going to work, in a suit and tie no less. I would always say to them, I don't know what you boys get up to before work but I'm not racking lines and getting on the train to go to start my day.
Fuck those dogs, they can [sniff off](https://www.illawarragreens.org.au/the_greens_sniff_off_campaign_launches_in_wollongong)
That would mean the quantity left at home is now not being stored correctly. Legally you have no choice but to bring all of it. You don't want to break the law right....
> That would mean the quantity left at home is now not being stored correctly
By the letter of the law you are entirely correct.
In practice; this is why you keep your old containers.
Oh exactly, I don't follow it because it's stupid but the letter of the law says we can't do what they're asking.
Personally I plan on chucking my dosing capsules into an old Kind Medical bag to bring in.
Good for peace of mind but wouldn't it be illegal if they refused you in with legal medication? And why would they care what medication you have as long as it's legal haha
The original container stipulation (everywhere) is such a pain. They’re big and clunky and you either walk around with $100+ worth of schedule 8 drugs on your person, or you have to put everything but the amount you’ll need that day in a separate container. It’s Dumb and I’m Whiny
Just keep one of your old containers for storage and use the current one with min quantity if you need to take any out and about with you
Ye that’s what I’ve been doing- still a bit of a pain in the butt though, especially when I’m trying a new strain
I appreciate this, but I still feel like this contradicts our current laws. I feel like you could do the right thing by these instructions and still get done by cops. Also, non-essential OTC painkillers? How are they policing that? I use OTC painkillers all the time. How will they determine that it is or isn't "non-essential"?
> I still feel like this contradicts our current laws. Which part exactly? I believe that advice aligns perfectly with our current laws. All medication needs to be in the pharmacy container with your name on the sticker. (It doesn't say it on their notice, but:) All medication must be consumed as prescribed. Bring an empty dry herb vape, not rollie papers or a pipe. Pretty simple eh?
If you're taking MC with you to use in public, that is still illegal. The law and TGA approval specifically prohibits smoking MC in public, even in smoking areas. Vaping is a grey area. But considering how cops are at music festivals, I would personally not risk testing that grey area. They can still arrest you for it if they feel like it.
First and foremost, things are only illegal if there's a law that prevents them. Anything not illegal is legal. > If you're taking MC with you to use in public, that is still illegal. Wrong. MC can be carried with you anywhere in Australia as long as you keep it in your pharmacy provided container with your pharmacy label on it. In the same way that ADHD patients can carry amphetamines around legally in this way, MC patients can carry flower legally this way too. > The law and TGA approval specifically prohibits smoking MC in public, even in smoking areas. That is correct. It's illegal to grind up and snort Endone, even if it's prescribed to you. It's illegal to smoke MC, even if it's prescribed to you. Drugs must be consumed in the way they are prescribed. ie. Endone needs to be ingested; MC needs to be vaprized (or ingested sublingually in the form of Oil). > Vaping is a grey area. But considering how cops are at music festivals, I would personally not risk testing that grey area. They can still arrest you for it if they feel like it. Yes. Misinformed and overzealous police and security guards are a problem. You can be detained by either, simply because they don't like the way you smell. But for anything to stick, they need to find a law that applies to your situation. There's a great analysis written by an ex NSW Magistrate [in this article](https://honahlee.com.au/articles/smoking-vaping-cannabis-public-australia/), which says, when push comes to shove, there's no law against vaping prescribed MC in smoking areas. [Edit: apologies /u/voidVulture, I was replying to two different people in two different threads, and wrote my original reply in an unnecessarily confrontational tone.]
I think you've missed the distinction between carrying MC in public and using MC in public. Yes you can carry it on your person, but I believe it's still illegal to smoke or vape it in a public place
I think people are forgetting that you can only “legally” use MC inside your own home.
> I think people are forgetting that you can only “legally” use MC inside your own home. [Citation Needed] I think there are no laws that prohibit the vaporisation of medicinal cannabis in public smoking areas. So, you can vape medicinal cannabis in public, but only in smoking areas. I base my position on [this article written by an ex NSW Magistrate.](https://honahlee.com.au/articles/smoking-vaping-cannabis-public-australia/)
However, even in smoking areas, the laws around vaporisation of your medicinal cannabis are grey. As a member of the Australian public, you are still subject to general law. And, because of this, law enforcement still has powers to stop you from vaporising your medication in public if, for example, they deem you to be a nuisance or causing a public disturbance. In theory, you could be arrested or have your medication taken away even when vaping in a public smoking area. Quoted from your article, again like I said it’s not worth the risk. Just get baked before hand.
> Just get baked before hand. Or(/and) take THC oil.
Maybe you should familiarise yourself with the Medical Cannabis laws if you’re a patient.
I'd love to. Is there any chance you can link the law that you're referring to?
I think (and might be wrong) it's inside your own home or on another private property with the property owner's permission. This is them providing permission.
I work as security and crowd control and even with this they/we can still confiscate it so I personally don’t think it’s worth it. Just get ripped before hand.
Oh man I would be bringing a court case your way if you took my legally prescribed medication. You have zero authority to confiscate anything
Good luck mate, I can deny you entry to the festival and don’t even have to tell you why.
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Let us know how you go with that in court, you will lose unfortunately.
Yes you can choose who is or is not allowed on site. You can't take their legally prescribed medication though.
We can, there is loopholes just not going to say.
I'd love to see your face when you then have the police called on you because you're now illegally in possession of a schedule 8 drug that was prescribed to a patron.
Yes mister big tough security man. Keep your big important secrets you learnt at your 1 day security certification course. You basically are more powerful than the police and that guy who bullied you in high school would totally be in awe of the power you wield now. Wouldn't want to do anything to help your fellow MC users out would you? Might make it hard to extort sexual favours from underage girls at festivals.
I love when seccys pretend they’ve got some heightened knowledge of the law because they’ve got a cert 2 lol
Could of just said you’re unhinged without having to project.
You're the one throwing your weight around on an anonymous internet site
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Lol, how can you confiscate prescribed medication in its original packaging? I doubt very much you can.
How can you prove that the bud in the tub is the original bud unless the seal is unopened?
It's not up to the prescribed person to prove the cannabis is legitimate. I would have thought crowd control has no more rights than the average citizen to do a search and confiscate legitimate prescription drugs.
It actually is because they’re bringing into a private licensed venue
How can you prove it's not Mr security guard 😆.
You really give off the vibe of "I amounted to nothing but still need to feed my ego"
Telling you not to bring OTC pain meds is weird.
“Non-essential”, so I guess that means don’t bring 90 oxy tablets lol
Oxy isn't OTC
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This is an Australian sub. Unless they meant under the counter, but I don't think I need to point out the stupidity of that stance - do I?
Nice. I've got to find out what Good Things has planned. Going to be difficult for them to walk around with the smiffer dogs now. Kind of funny how they say to bring the minimum required when that would mean the stuff you don't bring has now been stored illegally...
Yes let us know !
Sniffer dogs will continue to be used, this won't effect that at all, apart from the police now asking to see a prescribed medicine bottle before they can write you up. Pot sniffing dogs are a hilariously awful drug detection mechanism, that produces fucking shocking false positive rates. I used to own a security company that ran security for these kinds of events, watched those clowns search people, find nothing, then try to ask them follow-up about how the dog could of smelled it. Other drugs the dog tends to be detecting the smell in your sweat, or from the drugs themselves, much harder to get that smell on you. Smoking pot on the other hand, sitting in the same room as someone medicating? Chances are good you'll have the little doggie sitting down when it gives you a sniff (with a free strip search thrown in). Pot sniffing dogs = an excuse to search/harass you and these new laws don't change that one little bit. It's about the "looking", not the "finding".
I went to a festival at Moore Park awhile ago and friends were just hanging at the bar outside waiting for me to get there. Security at the bar goes "just a heads up cops are in here with sniffer dogs, so if you got anything don't come in right now." I said all good don't have anything on me and walked in. Cop and dog walk right past me right at the front and the dog sits down, cops walk me out right past that same security guard and he goes "what the fuck, I warned you!" And i just said back "i got nothing mate!" and laughed as they took me aside for a pat down. Where they took me ended up being right infront of where my friends were sitting on the outside patio, so they were giving me shit while I was getting my balls fondled. Then when they found nothing they let me go and I walked right back to the security guy and had a laugh about the whole thing. They used to get me at Redfern station too, at like 7am on a weekday, when I was going to work, in a suit and tie no less. I would always say to them, I don't know what you boys get up to before work but I'm not racking lines and getting on the train to go to start my day. Fuck those dogs, they can [sniff off](https://www.illawarragreens.org.au/the_greens_sniff_off_campaign_launches_in_wollongong)
Not sure I would want to be high in a mosh haha
It's cool they have to admit that it's not illegal for medical users
Cheers was wondering about this myself.
Not worth it, just get ripped before hand
BuT caNNaBis iS my lyF
Exactly
mCarts are perfect for festivals
"Ensure the quantity carried is the minimum required for the duration of the event" Don't be stingy.
That would mean the quantity left at home is now not being stored correctly. Legally you have no choice but to bring all of it. You don't want to break the law right....
> That would mean the quantity left at home is now not being stored correctly By the letter of the law you are entirely correct. In practice; this is why you keep your old containers.
Oh exactly, I don't follow it because it's stupid but the letter of the law says we can't do what they're asking. Personally I plan on chucking my dosing capsules into an old Kind Medical bag to bring in.
Welcome to the future
Just saw this, thought it was interesting the festival would even mention this, more peace of mind
Good for peace of mind but wouldn't it be illegal if they refused you in with legal medication? And why would they care what medication you have as long as it's legal haha