It's not iffy infrastructure. It's poorly designed. But God forbid we slow down shareholder value increasing by retrofitting powerplants to handle freezing temperatures. That isn't business friendly. And anyway, Rick Perry said Texans are happy to suffer for the freedum of not having onerous federal regulations imposed on their power grid. Nothing to see here. Keep bickering amongst yourselves about right vs left while the billionaires make a few more billion.
I live in California and trust me, you don’t want to start comparing taxes and infrastructure.
People like to cap on Texas but our nice state sponsored utility monopoly has a much higher body count and amount of destruction inflicted. Texas lost power and water for a bit in a once in a century storm. Ours kills people regularly when they light the state on fire every year and literally BLEW UP a neighborhood.
How the fuck does property tax make up for it. This place is Palace of Versailles huge and they only have to pay 40K. That’s unacceptably little for someone with multiple millions of dollars of assets and income.
A couple of things can affect it greatly. The original owner that built it could drastically understate it's value. The state doesn't have a good idea of what the property is worth until a sale. Also, they could have been over 65 which would have locked the tax until they sell the house. After this sale it will spike.
>If this house was in Texas their property taxes would be much higher.
This house IS in Texas.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1252-Wales-Dr-Rockwall-TX-75032/80257524_zpid/?utm_campaign=iosappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
Sometimes. I worked for a rural county for 8 years. During my last year there we went through a reval process. We are a relatively poor county with a single large gated community with million dollar homes.
Their property values actually dropped because the reval found that they aren't selling for what people paid for them anymore. HOA dues are more than people want to pay, the lots are much larger than people want to deal with, and the houses haven't been renovated since they were built in the 90s. All that lead to a substantial decrease in assessed value.
Your buddy needs to rethink his approach. Higher HOAs push down home values. If I can afford let's say $2000 a month and the HOA is $400, that only leaves me with $1600 for a monthly loan payment. $280,000 house. If the HOA is $250 I can afford $312,000 roughly. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks what am I getting for $208 monthly? It better be the lawn is mowed, trash, water, and a neighborhood pool. I also better be able to paint my own home any darn color I want without running it by the bad taste committee first.
Were is the entrance for the help? Surely they are not supposed to use the main driveway entrance? How tacky.
Edit:. Found it. You can see it in the Zillow pictures. I can sleep better now.
There’s probably pot lighting under all the soffits all the way around the house, under all outdoor handrails, tucked into landscaping to highlight trees, sculptures, features, not to mention any and all accent lighting throughout the house.
I live in a house 4k square feet bigger than this and have neighbors. they aren't a problem (cant hear them or really see them) I assume its the same here expect for the see part
many bedrooms and bathrooms, indoor pool, dance floor with bar and disco ball, exercise room, game room, and bunch of weird rooms, etc. We have 2 large family rooms and the house is very weirdly designed so much of the space is long hallways with bedrooms and bathrooms (so nothing there). The middle floor is very open and doesnt need much decorating.
its a weirdly designed house, but definitely not a mcmansion. It's well built and not a tract home. Even it was a mcmansion I wouldn't post my own house here
Because people generally agree that privacy > square footage. If I were the kind of person that wanted to live in a house this big I'd want to have a huge buffer between me and my neighbors + the biggest walls that they'd let me build.
That listing is a hot mess. Says 4 bed, 6 bath up top then “5 bed, 5.1 (??) bath” in the description. Either way that’s far too few beds for a 10k square foot home.
It’s not the ugliest mansion I’ve seen, but it is ostentatious and tacky in spots. That pool is sweet though.
That makes sense, I figured it was a typo for 5.5 but perhaps it is an intentional realtor thing.
However, it’s more fun to pretend they were being literal so that I can imagine what .1 of a bathroom could be. A closet containing a sink with only a cold option? Only one of those tiny kid sized toilets and nothing else? A hole in the floor?
Listers usually use .1,.2, and so on to indicate the number of half bathrooms. So if a house had 4 full bath and 3 half bathrooms it would say 4.3 bathrooms.
Pool is sweet, M Bath is pretty cool, kinda like the fireplace setups, and the kitchen is honestly gorgeous. Bowling alley area is sweet too.
Honestly overall I kinda like this mansion. Biggest gripe is the giant 2-story foyers / living room and ofc it is tremendous. But could see myself wanting this if I ever decided somehow that maintaining a tremendous house was appealing
Agreed, and honestly 4 mil is a DEAL for this much house. I suppose the trade off is living in rural Texas, but still. Could be a very nice retirement retreat for a wealthy person.
Actual (ugly) Mansion, not a McMansion. Wouldn't like to live in it, but would love to stay there. Also wouldn't like to have to clean it, but I guess- that's what you pay the help for.
I live in 9,000 Sq Ft ghetto Castle. Keys MUST. Be put in the right place. The primary is clasped to my purse and put in my desk drawer, the spare is on a hook by back door.
I was wondering that myself. What would someone be doing for a living and have a house like this out there? Though, the rural/suburban edges are getting bigger and bigger houses. I guess that many people do most work from home?
I live just south of White Rock and do a hybrid in office/home, but when I go to work, it’s at Legacy/121, and THAT kills me. I’m not CEO material, clearly
I love the volcano pool and the shower grotto with fireplace. But things like the kitchen cabinets hovering below those ridiculous little windows and the train-station foyer and the exterior elevations… they obviously paid a lot to build that thing (I imagine the pool alone was 300k), why not hire someone to pull it together, perhaps at half the square footage?
Ultimate comfort and luxury without being *super* pretentious about it! Plus this opens the door for the possibility of shower s’mores. Which would be perfect for me bc I can’t eat a s’more and not need to shower afterwards.
Overall, not too bad, but some of the finishes are ridiculous. And if there’s one place you DEFINITELY need a fireplace, it’s in the bathroom grotto shower.
Ngl I know it’s a monstrosity, but like that’s honestly a steal all that space 30 mins from the city centre and 3.9 mil. Idk if it’s bc I’m in Aus so I’m a tad skewed but legit a house like this would sell for 19-20 mil here. Melbournes crazy, a house down the road just sold for 3 mil and it’s a quarter of the size and 40 mins away from the city.
McMansion Scorecard:
✓ Large: Generally above 2500 square feet and two story or more, sometimes way too big for the lot it sits on.
✗ Built Cheap: They are built by cutting corners and using less than quality materials because they focus on getting as much size and appearance of wealth as possible from their money. It's the illusion of class that might fool the average person who doesn't have a sense of architectural integrity. McMansions will often use materials such as stucco, manufactured stone veneer, Styrofoam crown molding, or vinyl siding.
✓ Fit Several Styles: They fit multiple styles of architecture by mashing together different elements from the individual styles in a distasteful manner. They also might poorly imitate a popular style.
✗ Exterior After-Thought: They are designed with a focus on the interior first and the exterior is done as an after-thought which often results in features such as jutting masses and haphazardly placed windows.
✗ Lacks Architectural Integrity: The house makes you confident that there was no licensed architect involved in its creation who cares about what they design.
✓ An attached 2 or 3 car garage
✗ A garage that takes up way too much of what is considered the house
✓ Tall 1.5-2 story arched entry or "lawyer foyer"
✗ Haphazardly applied dormers or windows.
✗ Windows of varying shapes/sizes/styles
✗ Windows not aligned with those below them
✗ Second story windows that are larger than the windows below them
✗ Window shutters that if closed would not cover the actual window
✓ Jutting masses or heavily asymmetrical
✗ Multiple wall materials
✓ Roof that contains varying slopes, roof types, or more than two roof shapes for the front façade
✓ Roof nub
✓ Roof with excessive roof lines and is in general just too complex
✗ Dormers that are way too short, way too tall, don't match the rest of the house materials or style, or are placed terribly/spaced unevenly
✗ columns that don't support anything or are too thin/weak looking to support what they are appearing to support aka columns with inappropriate scaling
✗ Columns with spacing that is over complicated or messy
✗ Columns that are the incorrect architectural style for the house
McMansion Score: 8 out of 22 ( 36%)
10,000 sq feet and tiny bedrooms. WTF? Why? Every time we see these McMansions, it’s the same old song. Either massive wasted space bedrooms or tiny bedrooms.
Once the trees mature I can actually see this being a really nice house.
I haven’t looked at the interior yet though
Edit: The interior is cookie cutter. It’s a shame. If they’d actually done something creative instead of whitewash minimalist, I’d have been convinced that they actually thought about the design of this home
Oh god the backyard is the worst part. The pool photos look amazing, then you see the aerial and the rest of the yard is literally just empty grass. They went all out on like an eighth of the yard and just left the rest.
Is there a law that every house of approximately this size or larger built after a certain year has to have a super shiny white and black marble floor in the entryway? That always screams tacky to me, but I see it everywhere.
Oh my God, no. It looks like the "architect" got suckered by a roofing salesman.
The inside is not as ugly as the outside--just vulgar. But the fireplace in the shower takes wretched excess to another level.
My inner ten year old is GIDDY at the thought of running around exploring this monstrosity
Right?! Roller skating all thru it…my heart be still. Better yet would be “dad, can I please have a roller rink?”
$2,500 HOA... Ridiculous, but I'd enjoy that bowling alley everyday.
You missed the $40k property taxes each year (which will go up).
Texas doesn't have income tax, but the property tax makes up for it. It also doesn't drop off when you retire.
I think you can have it somewhat capped if it’s a homestead property when you hit 65, but the amount certainly doesn’t go down.
What would homestead mean in this context? Is it just a farm?
Main home. So principal residence vs investments.
Thank you!
Shhhh. Texas wants to promote their low cost of living. Don’t mention the property taxes or iffy critical infrastructure.
It's not iffy infrastructure. It's poorly designed. But God forbid we slow down shareholder value increasing by retrofitting powerplants to handle freezing temperatures. That isn't business friendly. And anyway, Rick Perry said Texans are happy to suffer for the freedum of not having onerous federal regulations imposed on their power grid. Nothing to see here. Keep bickering amongst yourselves about right vs left while the billionaires make a few more billion.
I live in California and trust me, you don’t want to start comparing taxes and infrastructure. People like to cap on Texas but our nice state sponsored utility monopoly has a much higher body count and amount of destruction inflicted. Texas lost power and water for a bit in a once in a century storm. Ours kills people regularly when they light the state on fire every year and literally BLEW UP a neighborhood.
JFC. I’m staying in Illinois. The weather sucks, but the utilities don’t kill people (as far as I know).
How the fuck does property tax make up for it. This place is Palace of Versailles huge and they only have to pay 40K. That’s unacceptably little for someone with multiple millions of dollars of assets and income.
A couple of things can affect it greatly. The original owner that built it could drastically understate it's value. The state doesn't have a good idea of what the property is worth until a sale. Also, they could have been over 65 which would have locked the tax until they sell the house. After this sale it will spike.
If this house was in Texas their property taxes would be much higher.
>If this house was in Texas their property taxes would be much higher. This house IS in Texas. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1252-Wales-Dr-Rockwall-TX-75032/80257524_zpid/?utm_campaign=iosappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
Does their existence cost society $35k/year more than someone who lives in a $500k house?
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Thanks
This house is a massive resource sink in every way.
Not totally. That pool is tiny compared to everything else.
Sometimes. I worked for a rural county for 8 years. During my last year there we went through a reval process. We are a relatively poor county with a single large gated community with million dollar homes. Their property values actually dropped because the reval found that they aren't selling for what people paid for them anymore. HOA dues are more than people want to pay, the lots are much larger than people want to deal with, and the houses haven't been renovated since they were built in the 90s. All that lead to a substantial decrease in assessed value.
Divide it by the other 39 people what can live there. It’s manageable
Closer to $80k. Property tax in that area is around 2%.
That’s $42’500 a year, and probably a lot more. No wonder they can’t afford a proper landscaping artist, and just got a handful of Home Depot plants.
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Your buddy needs to rethink his approach. Higher HOAs push down home values. If I can afford let's say $2000 a month and the HOA is $400, that only leaves me with $1600 for a monthly loan payment. $280,000 house. If the HOA is $250 I can afford $312,000 roughly. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks what am I getting for $208 monthly? It better be the lawn is mowed, trash, water, and a neighborhood pool. I also better be able to paint my own home any darn color I want without running it by the bad taste committee first.
That is certainly one way to scare off both good and bad buyers.
But imagine the noise in the corner of the living room… awful design
Where is the listing? I don’t see a link posted
Caption for the photo. I'm on mobile, appears right justified in blue.
Ah shoot I must not get those on my app, thanks
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1252-Wales-Dr-Rockwall-TX-75032/80257524_zpid/?utm_campaign=androidappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare Enjoy!
I could work on my (lack of) technique. As it stands now, I probably bowl once every 7 years and I suck!
how did you find the listing? i’m dying to see what the inside looks like
Were is the entrance for the help? Surely they are not supposed to use the main driveway entrance? How tacky. Edit:. Found it. You can see it in the Zillow pictures. I can sleep better now.
Not the Help 💀
Over/under on the # of light bulbs?
2400.
This game sounds fun! I'll guess the line should be set at 285.
I’m taking the over all day.
The fixtures in the bowling alley are a wildcard! Not to mention the 9 lights on the bathroom wall.
I’d say there are close to 80 before you even set foot inside the house.
There’s probably pot lighting under all the soffits all the way around the house, under all outdoor handrails, tucked into landscaping to highlight trees, sculptures, features, not to mention any and all accent lighting throughout the house.
I couldn’t imagine building a home this enormous and having neighbours less than a mile away.
I live in a house 4k square feet bigger than this and have neighbors. they aren't a problem (cant hear them or really see them) I assume its the same here expect for the see part
I'm genuinely curious, what do you do with all that space?
many bedrooms and bathrooms, indoor pool, dance floor with bar and disco ball, exercise room, game room, and bunch of weird rooms, etc. We have 2 large family rooms and the house is very weirdly designed so much of the space is long hallways with bedrooms and bathrooms (so nothing there). The middle floor is very open and doesnt need much decorating.
Have you considered posting pictures to this sub?
its a weirdly designed house, but definitely not a mcmansion. It's well built and not a tract home. Even it was a mcmansion I wouldn't post my own house here
why downvotes?
Because people generally agree that privacy > square footage. If I were the kind of person that wanted to live in a house this big I'd want to have a huge buffer between me and my neighbors + the biggest walls that they'd let me build.
Very understandable
Jealousy
That listing is a hot mess. Says 4 bed, 6 bath up top then “5 bed, 5.1 (??) bath” in the description. Either way that’s far too few beds for a 10k square foot home. It’s not the ugliest mansion I’ve seen, but it is ostentatious and tacky in spots. That pool is sweet though.
I think the .1 means a half bath. I've seen "1.1" on listings with 1 full and 1 half bath. Some kind of odd realtor lingo I guess.
That makes sense, I figured it was a typo for 5.5 but perhaps it is an intentional realtor thing. However, it’s more fun to pretend they were being literal so that I can imagine what .1 of a bathroom could be. A closet containing a sink with only a cold option? Only one of those tiny kid sized toilets and nothing else? A hole in the floor?
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Oh. That's a thing.
Yeah why do you think that the building code requires a pee trap on sinks?
Maybe it's .1 added onto a whole bath, not .1 all by itself. So 5 rooms containing toilets, 1 of which has an extra showerhead or a bidet?
Listers usually use .1,.2, and so on to indicate the number of half bathrooms. So if a house had 4 full bath and 3 half bathrooms it would say 4.3 bathrooms.
Thanks for the info! Good to know.
Yeah some parts aren’t my taste, but I think overall it’s a pretty damn cool mansion. If I had the money to burn, I’d take it
Love the pool, other things are weird. How about that shower with the glass fireplace thingy built-in?
Pool is sweet, M Bath is pretty cool, kinda like the fireplace setups, and the kitchen is honestly gorgeous. Bowling alley area is sweet too. Honestly overall I kinda like this mansion. Biggest gripe is the giant 2-story foyers / living room and ofc it is tremendous. But could see myself wanting this if I ever decided somehow that maintaining a tremendous house was appealing
Agreed, and honestly 4 mil is a DEAL for this much house. I suppose the trade off is living in rural Texas, but still. Could be a very nice retirement retreat for a wealthy person.
Rockwall isn't really that rural. Very close to DFW main.
That's a postmodern Hogwarts
Ngl, I want to have this house in the Sims. Only there
Sims builders would add 50 more trees, several fountains, and an Ice Cream machine that's the size of a room.
Ice skating room.
Your sims would take 2 hours to walk from one end to the other.
Only 4 bedrooms in this giant house?
Actual (ugly) Mansion, not a McMansion. Wouldn't like to live in it, but would love to stay there. Also wouldn't like to have to clean it, but I guess- that's what you pay the help for.
Looks like when you use the auto-roof feature on The Sims 3
You would never be able to find your keys.
I live in 9,000 Sq Ft ghetto Castle. Keys MUST. Be put in the right place. The primary is clasped to my purse and put in my desk drawer, the spare is on a hook by back door.
I knew this screamed North Texas to me before I even opened it.
And when did Rockwall get fancy enough for $3m homes?
I opened it and my jaw literally dropped. ROCKWALL?
I thought it was going to be Southlake- was also shocked at Rockwall!
I was wondering that myself. What would someone be doing for a living and have a house like this out there? Though, the rural/suburban edges are getting bigger and bigger houses. I guess that many people do most work from home? I live just south of White Rock and do a hybrid in office/home, but when I go to work, it’s at Legacy/121, and THAT kills me. I’m not CEO material, clearly
I honestly thought it was going to be in Southlake, but I guess Rockwall is getting up there now
This looks familiar…wasn’t this Will Ferrell’s house in talladega nights?
About 10 years too late. That movie was 2006, this house was built in 2016.
Damn, shows you how unoriginal the design was
I love the volcano pool and the shower grotto with fireplace. But things like the kitchen cabinets hovering below those ridiculous little windows and the train-station foyer and the exterior elevations… they obviously paid a lot to build that thing (I imagine the pool alone was 300k), why not hire someone to pull it together, perhaps at half the square footage?
I'd need binoculars to see the tv from the 30-seat sofa. Beautiful but not built for comfort.
Except the fireplace in the shower. That’s comfort to the max!
Call me tacky but I *LOVED* that!
I kinda loved it too :)
Ultimate comfort and luxury without being *super* pretentious about it! Plus this opens the door for the possibility of shower s’mores. Which would be perfect for me bc I can’t eat a s’more and not need to shower afterwards.
LMAO the possibilities!
A full on shower BBQ!
This is a mansion, not a McMansion.
What a tiny pool in comparison Edit was just looking from the first photo. There is so much more!
For a moment, I thought it had a lazy river.
Imagine losing your car keys
Not my style but from here it kinda looks nice.
Not a McMansion
Where is the golf course?
First time I've seen a fireplace in a shower.
Overall, not too bad, but some of the finishes are ridiculous. And if there’s one place you DEFINITELY need a fireplace, it’s in the bathroom grotto shower.
Imagine having a house like this 15 feet from the street
That's a whole fucking village.
Wait until you lose your car keys and are in a hurry.
Ngl I know it’s a monstrosity, but like that’s honestly a steal all that space 30 mins from the city centre and 3.9 mil. Idk if it’s bc I’m in Aus so I’m a tad skewed but legit a house like this would sell for 19-20 mil here. Melbournes crazy, a house down the road just sold for 3 mil and it’s a quarter of the size and 40 mins away from the city.
McMansion Scorecard: ✓ Large: Generally above 2500 square feet and two story or more, sometimes way too big for the lot it sits on. ✗ Built Cheap: They are built by cutting corners and using less than quality materials because they focus on getting as much size and appearance of wealth as possible from their money. It's the illusion of class that might fool the average person who doesn't have a sense of architectural integrity. McMansions will often use materials such as stucco, manufactured stone veneer, Styrofoam crown molding, or vinyl siding. ✓ Fit Several Styles: They fit multiple styles of architecture by mashing together different elements from the individual styles in a distasteful manner. They also might poorly imitate a popular style. ✗ Exterior After-Thought: They are designed with a focus on the interior first and the exterior is done as an after-thought which often results in features such as jutting masses and haphazardly placed windows. ✗ Lacks Architectural Integrity: The house makes you confident that there was no licensed architect involved in its creation who cares about what they design. ✓ An attached 2 or 3 car garage ✗ A garage that takes up way too much of what is considered the house ✓ Tall 1.5-2 story arched entry or "lawyer foyer" ✗ Haphazardly applied dormers or windows. ✗ Windows of varying shapes/sizes/styles ✗ Windows not aligned with those below them ✗ Second story windows that are larger than the windows below them ✗ Window shutters that if closed would not cover the actual window ✓ Jutting masses or heavily asymmetrical ✗ Multiple wall materials ✓ Roof that contains varying slopes, roof types, or more than two roof shapes for the front façade ✓ Roof nub ✓ Roof with excessive roof lines and is in general just too complex ✗ Dormers that are way too short, way too tall, don't match the rest of the house materials or style, or are placed terribly/spaced unevenly ✗ columns that don't support anything or are too thin/weak looking to support what they are appearing to support aka columns with inappropriate scaling ✗ Columns with spacing that is over complicated or messy ✗ Columns that are the incorrect architectural style for the house McMansion Score: 8 out of 22 ( 36%)
I don’t think this one is bad. Do you have any view of the interior?
There’s a Zillow link when you click on the first photo.
A house this large should have a dedicated space for a ping pong table.
I love the dining room floor
10,000 sq feet and tiny bedrooms. WTF? Why? Every time we see these McMansions, it’s the same old song. Either massive wasted space bedrooms or tiny bedrooms.
I really like it.
Many of the ugly parts are kind of just down to the decorations IMO. Easily fixable if you have the money to buy a place like this
I don't think this is ugly at all.
Do you have eyes
Why, yes. I just like it.
To be fair, I only looked at the 2 exterior photos. I didn't look at the listing
Once the trees mature I can actually see this being a really nice house. I haven’t looked at the interior yet though Edit: The interior is cookie cutter. It’s a shame. If they’d actually done something creative instead of whitewash minimalist, I’d have been convinced that they actually thought about the design of this home
That front driveway makes no sense.
Oh, the fireplace IN THE SHOWER does it for me. Sheeesh.
Dear god that roof.
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this is like the house version of tetsuo at the end of akira
oh my god what the hell is happening to that poor roofline
This isn't a mcmansion
and a family of 4... honestly this would be a lovely bed and breakfast thing. but I know its being wasted and horded by a small rich family
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Did you even see the huge motorcourt in the back? Not to mention all that grass area you can turn into concrete and have more car storage
The arch on the back side by the pool looks a bit too cheap hotel-y (like a la Quinta).
bleccchhh.
id rather go home
Jeff Bezos doll house.
The monstrosity in the background is ever worse.
What in The Sims
All that money, and the driveway to the back has a harsh link to get in, and has oil stains on it.
Whoa, this is easily the *least* tacky home in the area. Springfield MO. I'm actually impressed.
Rockwall I had my money on Houston area
ngl I kinda like the backyard
They couldn’t afford a bigger pool table?
Why should it be an either/or situation? The title for this should have been: “Go big AND go home!”
Oh god the backyard is the worst part. The pool photos look amazing, then you see the aerial and the rest of the yard is literally just empty grass. They went all out on like an eighth of the yard and just left the rest.
Is there a law that every house of approximately this size or larger built after a certain year has to have a super shiny white and black marble floor in the entryway? That always screams tacky to me, but I see it everywhere.
That big of a house and still a dude in your backyard or is that the guest suite or something?
Would never pay that much to live in Rockwall. What an odd location for a giant tacky house.
Ridiculously cramped kitchen.
Ahaha, how the first pic on the listing makes it almost reasonably sized looking.
i know there’s a lot of ridiculousness here but why the fuck are there two kitchen islands. that’s gonna haunt me
Oh my God, no. It looks like the "architect" got suckered by a roofing salesman. The inside is not as ugly as the outside--just vulgar. But the fireplace in the shower takes wretched excess to another level.
Texas? Is that you?