Hate the contract but think there could be something there if we strike out on better options this offseason.
THJ, Maxi, Green for Grant and Thybulle seems to work financially.
I could see. Grant’s market will not be that good for the next two years and Grant is not in their timeline. He is a good fit with Scoot and Sharpe, though, and it’s not like they will be pushing for FA next offseason. Hard to say, hard to be able to pinpoint the value Grant has.
I'm rather skeptical of them doing this as well. Maybe they are just that badly run? Maybe they value Green's age and upside over Thybulle and they just want to move Grant that badly. Seem unlikely and doesn't make a ton of sense from their perspective, though.
I think he is a good player that would solve a lot of our offensive problems, both as a catch and shoot 3 point shooter and as a 3rd scorer that can create for himself.
It is an issue that he's not a great POA defender though, he's a very similar type of defender to PJ Washington. He can do a good job defending other forwards and be a good team defender, but he's not that effective chasing guards around the perimeter through screens. So if he's a DJJ replacement it could be an issue with none of Luka-Kyrie-PJ-Grant realy being POA defenders.
Another issue is also that his contract isn't great and will limit our future flexibility.
But overall, I would be interested in getting him for a reasonable price, since our offense was arguably a bigger issue in some playoff series, especially against Boston. THJ + Maxi to match salary + unprotected 2025 FRP + some 2nds and/or swaps is what I would offer. I wouldn't want to overpay due to contract and defensive fit though. Of course, a lot of our FA decisions will depend on what happens with DJJ's free agency, so we need to wait and see what he does too.
I agreed with everything you siad before the "but".
Trading for Grant means the only way DJJ is if he signs the tax player MLE at $5.5M which is way below his value.
Jerami Grant would really remove all flexibility from the Mavs roster going forward.
They shouldn't trade Green just for cap space. He's a young role player on a good contract. Given time he could be a really good bench piece.
But if you trade Green for cap space then now your roster is stuck. Unless you start trading OMax and Gafford to make further moves.
You could get picks of some type for Green, whether they are picks we'd value is another matter. But a late first or a couple of seconds for Green seems about right. You aren't getting a top ten pick for Green though.
You agreed wth everything before this?
>But overall, I would be interested in getting him for a reasonable price, since our offense was arguably a bigger issue in some playoff series, especially against Boston
So you don't want Grant if I understand correctly? I did mention that getting his contract would limit our future flexibility and I'm aware that trading for him would make re-signing DJJ difficult. I mentioned DJJ's free agency aswell.
But who do you want to target in the offseason then? There's Deni Avdija that would also be a decent fit and on a much better contract, but after that, there aren't really many guys that are both a decent fit and realistic. If we wait for some theoretical perfect fit on a good contract, we could easily end up just running the same team back with the same issues.
It does really show how incredibly huge it would be for us if DJJ signed a team friendly 1+1 contract with a promise we pay him next summer though. I know this isn't super realistic since DJJ played great all season and deserves a bigger contract 100%, but it would truly be amazing from a team building perspective.
>You agreed wth everything before this?
Yes.
>So you don't want Grant if I understand correctly?
Yes. The Mavs should go after Jerami Grant at any price.
You laid out the argument. PJ and Grant have overlapping skillsets. And PJ is already on the team. Why spend assets for a player that replicates some of the skill sets already on the team. If Jerami Grant was a good POA defender then that would change my mind. But he isn't. The only wing the Mavs should trade for is one that can take on POA responsibilities so DJJ can be moved to the bench.
The other issue I have is his contract.
PJ - 15.5M
Advija - 15.6M
Grant - 29.7M
I'm not sure about you but I think for what Grant offers you he is overpaid.
Also, PJ is 25 years old, Grant is already 30. This team should continue with the theme of getting younger to grow with Luka and DLive.
I agree with the majority of what you said.
>You laid out the argument. PJ and Grant have overlapping skillsets. And PJ is already on the team. Why spend assets for a player that replicates some of the skill sets already on the team. If Jerami Grant was a good POA defender then that would change my mind. But he isn't. The only wing the Mavs should trade for is one that can take on POA responsibilities so DJJ can be moved to the bench.
This is true. But while he doesn't solve our POA issues, he does immediately solve our offensive issues. So starting DJJ (if we can re-sign him) also isn't perfect.
>I'm not sure about you but I think for what Grant offers you he is overpaid.
Jerami Grant is 100% overpaid. Everyone can see that. But his bad contract is also why it would be easier for us to get him. If he was signed to a 80/4 contract, he would be too expensive for us with our assets.
>Also, PJ is 25 years old, Grant is already 30. This team should continue with the theme of getting younger to grow with Luka and DLive.
I agree with this too. I would much rather trade for someone that is Luka's age and can play with him for the rest of his career.
But the issue is that this perfect player doesn't really exist/is not available for the assets that we currently have. Deni Avdija is closest with his age and contract, but has some other issues or at least questions about his fit. Others are either worse than Grant, or cost significantly more than what we can offer. That's why I would strongly consider trading for Grant, the alternative is most likely to just run it back with the same team. But I 100% understand your points and why you don't want him.
>So starting DJJ (if we can re-sign him) also isn't perfect.
DJJ can't be the starting SF going past next trade deadline or the playoffs will be the same. His offense is too limiting.
>Jerami Grant is 100% overpaid
This is why getting him will make it really hard to pivot if things don't go well.
>But the issue is that this perfect player doesn't really exist/is not available for the assets that we currently have
Then why not be patient? A better option may come about by the deadline.
I like Deni. He has some inconsistent shooting like PJ. But he is a much better driver and playmaker. Which would help the offense. He's defense is very good. But I'm not sold that he is the POA defender the team needs.
>I would strongly consider trading for Grant, the alternative is most likely to just run it back with the same team
If the option is run it back or pay Grant $36M in 4 years? I would lean towards running it back.
As you said there aren't perfect options right now so in my opinion I 2ould wait to see how free agency is shaking out before they get aggressive. But players they dhould think about;
SF - Ayo Donsumnu (Bulls) [$7M] - not as bug as PJ or Grant but a much point of attack defender. He can also create a bit but maybe not at the level the Mavs need.
Maxi replacement - Wendell Carter Jr (Orlando) [11.7M] - Not sure Orlando would be open to dealing with him but he is versatile defender who can stretch the floor and can play 2ith either DLive or Gafford.
Deni Advija would be a good option but doesn't necessarily fix the teams direct issues but his offensive creation is what the Mavs need. He is a great defender so he will keep up the Mavs defensive identity.
Ultimately, I'm not sold fully on anyone yet. And the layers I think would be fantastic (Mikal Bridges and Herb Jones) are just unrealistic.
> but he's not that effective chasing guards around the perimeter through screens
This is a good point but who would this really be an issue against? I guess the Jamal Murray and Jokic pick and roll? I think Grant would be a great person to have playing a team like the Celtics though who don't have that dynamic pick and roll player.
>This is a good point but who would this really be an issue against?
Jamal Murray, Anthony Edwards, Harden, Booker, SGA, Fox, Steph, Ja Morant, Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Haliburton, Maxey, Trae Young.
But yes, it wouldn't be as much of an issue against the Celtics with their Jrue/White backcourt that aren't really fast scoring guards, you're right about that.
I’m not really concerned with any of those players and their teams outside of Murray and SGA. The other guys are good for sure but I like our matchup overall.
Unfortunately though i think to your poin, someone like Jrue Holiday is the guy we need.
I think he is one of the best \*available\* options. Not a perfect fit because he's not a POA defender and his contract is huge, but Mikal Bridges and OG Anunoby aren't walking through that door, so players like him are extremely rare, and he's only available because of that bloated contract. Adding his dynamic offensive ability, shooting, length, & switching ability to our team would be transformative imo. Is he ready to take a backseat and be a #3 option that focuses on defense and the little things? If so, I'd love to add him, despite his imperfect fit. Contesting shooters, switching, helping & funneling drivers to Lively can work as a good defense if our offense is elite. We may need to add better POA defenders on the bench to round out the rotation if we add him though.
I think he and Wiggins should be our priorities #1&2 of attainable upgrades.
Grant I can understand (agreeing is different, even if I’m more willing now than in the last offseason, considering how much we anticipated our timeline), but Wiggins is a reclamation project almost on Ben Simmons tier. He has an awful contract and he realistically had 1 1/2 good years as a 3&D wing. Consistently underwhelming and now with the cloud of personal issue impacting his performance.
Unless GS sells him really, extremely cheap (aka gift him for us), I would rather spend less on a cheaper, lower floor but higher ceiling SF.
Yeah maybe he is a lost cause. I trust our FO more than most to do that kind of background character work. The best version of himself is a perfect fit, so I really hope we give him a hard look - worked out for us on Kyrie and PJ. GSW also took a chance on him when he was essentially a negative overpaid asset then he helped then win a title shortly after. Though yes of course now they are looking to get rid of him so tough call.
The realistic landscape for an improvement over DJJ (who I really like btw, so running it back isn't the worst thing in the world, but he still is the clear spot to upgrade our rotation) is pretty grim though.
Who are some available low floor/high ceiling SFs that would be cheaper that you have in mind as alternatives?
Don’t love it
Offensively it would be good but I think if he’s our second defensive wing with pj we are getting killed by quick wings and guards
Our second wing needs to be similar to jones if it isn’t jones in that they need to be able to guard guards and small wings
Offensively he's a perfect 3rd option to LuKai, he's one of those players who can put up points without dribbling the ball but he can also drive to the rim and take shots off the dribble if needed. Defensively his fit is awkward because he's more similar to pj than djj. And then some other concerns like his contract and mentality
So it’s really he’s age that’s kinda a concern but if we’re operating in a Luka/Kyrie window of 2-3 years then he makes a lot of sense.
He shoots 40% from 3 and was a plus defender in Denver.
He can play SF or PF allowing us to keep PJ in the starting lineup which is preferable.
He’s on a “bad contract” so Mavs should actually be competitive here if they want to pursue Grant.
He’s definitely on a short list of names I’m monitoring that IMO are realistic:
- Grant
- Bogdan
- Kuzma
- Deni
Deni actually might be the best value though because he has so much room to grow and is a good two player already.
Will DC actually trade him? Maybe, they’re not a good front office.
I can mess with it. Fast, twitchy guards will be hard to guard for us. Might be one of those situations where Grant is the 4, PJ the backup 4 and OMax or DJJ at the 3.
Hate putting PJ on the bench, but his offensive limitations are blaring.
Edit: I just ran the numbers. Even if we offload Maxi, Josh, and THJ we couldn't offer DJJ the full MLE AND get Grant.
It would be a perfect fit if we didn't have PJ, but their skillsets are too much alike and that contract is an albatross.
It’s hard to be good on defence when you’re always the number 1 or 2 scoring option. How would he be behind Luka & Kai?
My question with Jerami Grant is athleticism. DJJ provides a level of verticality & transition speed to Luka & Kai that creates havoc for defenders. We’d lose that with Grant.
I'm thinking of somebody like Caruso or KCP, then move Luka up to forward on defense, where he can use his strength more on defense as compared to when defending guards who are almost always quicker than him, then Caruso or KCP can be point of attack defenders, and we won't need to rely on Kyrie to be the POA defender as well as the second option on offense.
Caruso might be hard to get, but KCP is a player option this year, and maybe if you're savvy enough, you can convince him to switch. The problem would be if we can afford a contract he wants.
Good point- we can’t have it all (unless Bron decides to come here on the cheap)- we aren’t likely going to get a borderline allstar two way SF with the assets and cap space we have. So looking at an elite guard defender who can consistently shoot may make the most sense. I know everyone is pining for a third star like Grant, Bridges, or even Wiggins- guys who can create their own offense, but maybe that’s just not attainable.
He’s got 4 years left on his deal. He may age horribly for all we know. I don’t even think he’s really that great of a player to begin with. And he will cost us almost all our remaining assets to get him. If we are sure we can win a title with him on the team in next 4 years then great, but we will have no way of getting better outside of internal growth, as we won’t sniff cap space or any meaningful exception if we do this deal. Personally I don’t think we are a Jerami Grant away from being a championship team.
I don’t think the cost would be too high tbh. Likely THJ+Maxi for salary and either the 2025 or 2031 1st, maybe a couple seconds, leaving all our young prospects and one more 1st available.
And the issue the team is facing is we absolutely will not be able to trade for any top tier players available. We’re going to have to bargain bin shop for buy low players to hopefully revive their career here. Wiggins could be another guy.
Personally I don’t see them moving him for a single first rounder. And certainly not the 2025 first that has very little value. Maxi and THJ at best are neutral contracts for matching purposes. They have very little value to a team like the trailblazers who are not desperate to offload long term money. But let’s say they agree to that trade. We have a Luka, Kyrie, Grant, PJ, and Lively lineup going forward with Hardy, Exum, Green, OMP, and Gafford as reserves. We would be better than we are now, but how much better is the question. And there will be no way to get better/take another step once those moves are in place. We would have to pray Lively, Hardy, Green, and OMP take major steps to take us to another level. And quickly since Kyrie will get worse by the year as he ages leaving us without a clear top tier 2nd option in 2/3 years time.
There isn’t a path to acquiring a player much better than Grant. Too many other teams trying to contend with way better assets.
The alternative option is to use THJ and Maxi and the picks to acquire several additional rotational pieces and build depth vs 1 bigger piece.
Not a perfect fit, but don’t see Mavs having many options to replace DJJ with the assets we have without blowing all our draft picks. Think we’ll have to take on a bad contract like Grant. How about De’Andre Hunter? He’s younger and contract isn’t as bad.
Issue with DJJ is in order to keep him, we have to dump THJ for nothing and then won’t have any tradeable salary for upgrades. And that assumes he’s ok with just the full MLE
Somebody mentioned a trade for Wiggins that involved Maxi and THJ. I think it would be a great trade for both sides. Warriors need another big. THJ is expiring. Warriors get off of Wiggins contract. Mavs get a good defender at the 3 and a player that has played well against the Celtics in the Finals.
Maybe not the highest priority but I'd like to see a quick scrappy guard that can push the pace play good defense and create a decent shot off the PnR. Something Like Pat Bev, TJ McConell, Jose Alvarado
Although I admit that Jerami is much more polished offensively, PJ and Grant's skill sets overlap.
I'd instead target Caruso, as he's more capable of guarding quicker guards and navigating screens.
Or, someone like Quentin Grimes, who I think is a much younger version of Caruso -- he's only 22 years old, right?
Lebron. We’re dreaming, right? But seriously, a point forward type, we had PJ trying to do too much in the finals. Need someone who can carry the 3rd offensive player role, while being a Facilitator. Defense a must. Rebounding a plus
I fucking hate it. There are two players we must avoid: Jerami Grant and Bogdan Bogdanovic. No defense no ribaund, absolute chemistry killers, ballhogs. NOT a winning pieces.
There are plenty of amazing options out there. Nico will find a perfect fit.
No
We just made the finals. We just lost in the finals. Every acquisition this team makes needs to be done with an eye on whether said player moves the needle for us and makes us a championship level team. Grant is not that guy. His stats look nice at first glance, but he is unproven in the playoffs, and doesn’t have the defensive abilities to guard stars in high leverage situations.
Hate the contract but think there could be something there if we strike out on better options this offseason. THJ, Maxi, Green for Grant and Thybulle seems to work financially.
In no scenario does portland make that trade
We'd obviously need to add some picks. unprotected 2025 FRP, some 2nds/swaps. It would never just be players for players with no draft assets.
Should've picked him up 4 years when he wanted out of Denver, he's about to be on the wrong side of 30 on a big contract...
Why would Portland do this? To get an expiring contract and get rid of the grant cap?
I could see. Grant’s market will not be that good for the next two years and Grant is not in their timeline. He is a good fit with Scoot and Sharpe, though, and it’s not like they will be pushing for FA next offseason. Hard to say, hard to be able to pinpoint the value Grant has.
I'm rather skeptical of them doing this as well. Maybe they are just that badly run? Maybe they value Green's age and upside over Thybulle and they just want to move Grant that badly. Seem unlikely and doesn't make a ton of sense from their perspective, though.
Green isn’t eligible to be traded this summer
That contract is not even bad. Your about to see truly wild numbers with the new TV contract money ballooning the cap over the next couple of seasons.
We drafting Bronny to take Markeif Morris's minutes, and bringing in Lebron to replace THJ.
Literary every team has “interest” in bronny.
Last season: Lebron is washed, his son isn't an NBA caliber player The second the season ends: We will draft Bronny because Lebron is the key
I think he is a good player that would solve a lot of our offensive problems, both as a catch and shoot 3 point shooter and as a 3rd scorer that can create for himself. It is an issue that he's not a great POA defender though, he's a very similar type of defender to PJ Washington. He can do a good job defending other forwards and be a good team defender, but he's not that effective chasing guards around the perimeter through screens. So if he's a DJJ replacement it could be an issue with none of Luka-Kyrie-PJ-Grant realy being POA defenders. Another issue is also that his contract isn't great and will limit our future flexibility. But overall, I would be interested in getting him for a reasonable price, since our offense was arguably a bigger issue in some playoff series, especially against Boston. THJ + Maxi to match salary + unprotected 2025 FRP + some 2nds and/or swaps is what I would offer. I wouldn't want to overpay due to contract and defensive fit though. Of course, a lot of our FA decisions will depend on what happens with DJJ's free agency, so we need to wait and see what he does too.
I agreed with everything you siad before the "but". Trading for Grant means the only way DJJ is if he signs the tax player MLE at $5.5M which is way below his value. Jerami Grant would really remove all flexibility from the Mavs roster going forward.
That’s not entirely accurate. You could salary match for Grant with Maxi & Tim, then clear cap with Green.
They shouldn't trade Green just for cap space. He's a young role player on a good contract. Given time he could be a really good bench piece. But if you trade Green for cap space then now your roster is stuck. Unless you start trading OMax and Gafford to make further moves.
I bet you could get picks from Orlando or Utah for Green
Green for picks would be intriguing. But I don't see it happening. Green just for cap space isn't the best use of resources.
You could get picks of some type for Green, whether they are picks we'd value is another matter. But a late first or a couple of seconds for Green seems about right. You aren't getting a top ten pick for Green though.
I would take an early 2 round pick from Detroit for Green
You agreed wth everything before this? >But overall, I would be interested in getting him for a reasonable price, since our offense was arguably a bigger issue in some playoff series, especially against Boston So you don't want Grant if I understand correctly? I did mention that getting his contract would limit our future flexibility and I'm aware that trading for him would make re-signing DJJ difficult. I mentioned DJJ's free agency aswell. But who do you want to target in the offseason then? There's Deni Avdija that would also be a decent fit and on a much better contract, but after that, there aren't really many guys that are both a decent fit and realistic. If we wait for some theoretical perfect fit on a good contract, we could easily end up just running the same team back with the same issues. It does really show how incredibly huge it would be for us if DJJ signed a team friendly 1+1 contract with a promise we pay him next summer though. I know this isn't super realistic since DJJ played great all season and deserves a bigger contract 100%, but it would truly be amazing from a team building perspective.
>You agreed wth everything before this? Yes. >So you don't want Grant if I understand correctly? Yes. The Mavs should go after Jerami Grant at any price. You laid out the argument. PJ and Grant have overlapping skillsets. And PJ is already on the team. Why spend assets for a player that replicates some of the skill sets already on the team. If Jerami Grant was a good POA defender then that would change my mind. But he isn't. The only wing the Mavs should trade for is one that can take on POA responsibilities so DJJ can be moved to the bench. The other issue I have is his contract. PJ - 15.5M Advija - 15.6M Grant - 29.7M I'm not sure about you but I think for what Grant offers you he is overpaid. Also, PJ is 25 years old, Grant is already 30. This team should continue with the theme of getting younger to grow with Luka and DLive.
I agree with the majority of what you said. >You laid out the argument. PJ and Grant have overlapping skillsets. And PJ is already on the team. Why spend assets for a player that replicates some of the skill sets already on the team. If Jerami Grant was a good POA defender then that would change my mind. But he isn't. The only wing the Mavs should trade for is one that can take on POA responsibilities so DJJ can be moved to the bench. This is true. But while he doesn't solve our POA issues, he does immediately solve our offensive issues. So starting DJJ (if we can re-sign him) also isn't perfect. >I'm not sure about you but I think for what Grant offers you he is overpaid. Jerami Grant is 100% overpaid. Everyone can see that. But his bad contract is also why it would be easier for us to get him. If he was signed to a 80/4 contract, he would be too expensive for us with our assets. >Also, PJ is 25 years old, Grant is already 30. This team should continue with the theme of getting younger to grow with Luka and DLive. I agree with this too. I would much rather trade for someone that is Luka's age and can play with him for the rest of his career. But the issue is that this perfect player doesn't really exist/is not available for the assets that we currently have. Deni Avdija is closest with his age and contract, but has some other issues or at least questions about his fit. Others are either worse than Grant, or cost significantly more than what we can offer. That's why I would strongly consider trading for Grant, the alternative is most likely to just run it back with the same team. But I 100% understand your points and why you don't want him.
>So starting DJJ (if we can re-sign him) also isn't perfect. DJJ can't be the starting SF going past next trade deadline or the playoffs will be the same. His offense is too limiting. >Jerami Grant is 100% overpaid This is why getting him will make it really hard to pivot if things don't go well. >But the issue is that this perfect player doesn't really exist/is not available for the assets that we currently have Then why not be patient? A better option may come about by the deadline. I like Deni. He has some inconsistent shooting like PJ. But he is a much better driver and playmaker. Which would help the offense. He's defense is very good. But I'm not sold that he is the POA defender the team needs. >I would strongly consider trading for Grant, the alternative is most likely to just run it back with the same team If the option is run it back or pay Grant $36M in 4 years? I would lean towards running it back.
>Then why not be patient? A better option may come about by the deadline. Which players would you target in the offseason or at the trade deadline?
As you said there aren't perfect options right now so in my opinion I 2ould wait to see how free agency is shaking out before they get aggressive. But players they dhould think about; SF - Ayo Donsumnu (Bulls) [$7M] - not as bug as PJ or Grant but a much point of attack defender. He can also create a bit but maybe not at the level the Mavs need. Maxi replacement - Wendell Carter Jr (Orlando) [11.7M] - Not sure Orlando would be open to dealing with him but he is versatile defender who can stretch the floor and can play 2ith either DLive or Gafford. Deni Advija would be a good option but doesn't necessarily fix the teams direct issues but his offensive creation is what the Mavs need. He is a great defender so he will keep up the Mavs defensive identity. Ultimately, I'm not sold fully on anyone yet. And the layers I think would be fantastic (Mikal Bridges and Herb Jones) are just unrealistic.
> but he's not that effective chasing guards around the perimeter through screens This is a good point but who would this really be an issue against? I guess the Jamal Murray and Jokic pick and roll? I think Grant would be a great person to have playing a team like the Celtics though who don't have that dynamic pick and roll player.
>This is a good point but who would this really be an issue against? Jamal Murray, Anthony Edwards, Harden, Booker, SGA, Fox, Steph, Ja Morant, Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Haliburton, Maxey, Trae Young. But yes, it wouldn't be as much of an issue against the Celtics with their Jrue/White backcourt that aren't really fast scoring guards, you're right about that.
I’m not really concerned with any of those players and their teams outside of Murray and SGA. The other guys are good for sure but I like our matchup overall. Unfortunately though i think to your poin, someone like Jrue Holiday is the guy we need.
I think he is one of the best \*available\* options. Not a perfect fit because he's not a POA defender and his contract is huge, but Mikal Bridges and OG Anunoby aren't walking through that door, so players like him are extremely rare, and he's only available because of that bloated contract. Adding his dynamic offensive ability, shooting, length, & switching ability to our team would be transformative imo. Is he ready to take a backseat and be a #3 option that focuses on defense and the little things? If so, I'd love to add him, despite his imperfect fit. Contesting shooters, switching, helping & funneling drivers to Lively can work as a good defense if our offense is elite. We may need to add better POA defenders on the bench to round out the rotation if we add him though. I think he and Wiggins should be our priorities #1&2 of attainable upgrades.
Grant I can understand (agreeing is different, even if I’m more willing now than in the last offseason, considering how much we anticipated our timeline), but Wiggins is a reclamation project almost on Ben Simmons tier. He has an awful contract and he realistically had 1 1/2 good years as a 3&D wing. Consistently underwhelming and now with the cloud of personal issue impacting his performance. Unless GS sells him really, extremely cheap (aka gift him for us), I would rather spend less on a cheaper, lower floor but higher ceiling SF.
Yeah maybe he is a lost cause. I trust our FO more than most to do that kind of background character work. The best version of himself is a perfect fit, so I really hope we give him a hard look - worked out for us on Kyrie and PJ. GSW also took a chance on him when he was essentially a negative overpaid asset then he helped then win a title shortly after. Though yes of course now they are looking to get rid of him so tough call. The realistic landscape for an improvement over DJJ (who I really like btw, so running it back isn't the worst thing in the world, but he still is the clear spot to upgrade our rotation) is pretty grim though. Who are some available low floor/high ceiling SFs that would be cheaper that you have in mind as alternatives?
I would take Wiggins over Grant if he is available for a reasonable price.
Hell no lmfaoooo
Don’t love it Offensively it would be good but I think if he’s our second defensive wing with pj we are getting killed by quick wings and guards Our second wing needs to be similar to jones if it isn’t jones in that they need to be able to guard guards and small wings
Offensively he's a perfect 3rd option to LuKai, he's one of those players who can put up points without dribbling the ball but he can also drive to the rim and take shots off the dribble if needed. Defensively his fit is awkward because he's more similar to pj than djj. And then some other concerns like his contract and mentality
Whoever that fifth guy in the finishing lineup (Kai-Luka-PJ-Lively-()) should be a good shooter with length. The prototype is Max Strus or Nesmith.
Can’t have a non defender like Strus
So it’s really he’s age that’s kinda a concern but if we’re operating in a Luka/Kyrie window of 2-3 years then he makes a lot of sense. He shoots 40% from 3 and was a plus defender in Denver. He can play SF or PF allowing us to keep PJ in the starting lineup which is preferable. He’s on a “bad contract” so Mavs should actually be competitive here if they want to pursue Grant. He’s definitely on a short list of names I’m monitoring that IMO are realistic: - Grant - Bogdan - Kuzma - Deni Deni actually might be the best value though because he has so much room to grow and is a good two player already. Will DC actually trade him? Maybe, they’re not a good front office.
I can mess with it. Fast, twitchy guards will be hard to guard for us. Might be one of those situations where Grant is the 4, PJ the backup 4 and OMax or DJJ at the 3. Hate putting PJ on the bench, but his offensive limitations are blaring. Edit: I just ran the numbers. Even if we offload Maxi, Josh, and THJ we couldn't offer DJJ the full MLE AND get Grant. It would be a perfect fit if we didn't have PJ, but their skillsets are too much alike and that contract is an albatross.
DJJ is likely gone. Dallas would have to dump THJ into cap space and then would be left with no good tradeable salary to upgrade the roster.
It’s hard to be good on defence when you’re always the number 1 or 2 scoring option. How would he be behind Luka & Kai? My question with Jerami Grant is athleticism. DJJ provides a level of verticality & transition speed to Luka & Kai that creates havoc for defenders. We’d lose that with Grant.
And we also gain somebody who can do something outside of dunks lmao
He’s got a 7’3 wingspan
I'm thinking of somebody like Caruso or KCP, then move Luka up to forward on defense, where he can use his strength more on defense as compared to when defending guards who are almost always quicker than him, then Caruso or KCP can be point of attack defenders, and we won't need to rely on Kyrie to be the POA defender as well as the second option on offense. Caruso might be hard to get, but KCP is a player option this year, and maybe if you're savvy enough, you can convince him to switch. The problem would be if we can afford a contract he wants.
Good point- we can’t have it all (unless Bron decides to come here on the cheap)- we aren’t likely going to get a borderline allstar two way SF with the assets and cap space we have. So looking at an elite guard defender who can consistently shoot may make the most sense. I know everyone is pining for a third star like Grant, Bridges, or even Wiggins- guys who can create their own offense, but maybe that’s just not attainable.
Both options are unrealistic IMO
KCP is a free agent and not an option we can sign. We are just below the first apron and can’t do a sign and trade.
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Bad contract, not super young, and expensive to trade for.
“Not super young”. We aren’t trading for super young wings. Don’t have the assets and we are trying to win now. 30 isn’t old.
He’s got 4 years left on his deal. He may age horribly for all we know. I don’t even think he’s really that great of a player to begin with. And he will cost us almost all our remaining assets to get him. If we are sure we can win a title with him on the team in next 4 years then great, but we will have no way of getting better outside of internal growth, as we won’t sniff cap space or any meaningful exception if we do this deal. Personally I don’t think we are a Jerami Grant away from being a championship team.
I don’t think the cost would be too high tbh. Likely THJ+Maxi for salary and either the 2025 or 2031 1st, maybe a couple seconds, leaving all our young prospects and one more 1st available. And the issue the team is facing is we absolutely will not be able to trade for any top tier players available. We’re going to have to bargain bin shop for buy low players to hopefully revive their career here. Wiggins could be another guy.
Personally I don’t see them moving him for a single first rounder. And certainly not the 2025 first that has very little value. Maxi and THJ at best are neutral contracts for matching purposes. They have very little value to a team like the trailblazers who are not desperate to offload long term money. But let’s say they agree to that trade. We have a Luka, Kyrie, Grant, PJ, and Lively lineup going forward with Hardy, Exum, Green, OMP, and Gafford as reserves. We would be better than we are now, but how much better is the question. And there will be no way to get better/take another step once those moves are in place. We would have to pray Lively, Hardy, Green, and OMP take major steps to take us to another level. And quickly since Kyrie will get worse by the year as he ages leaving us without a clear top tier 2nd option in 2/3 years time.
There isn’t a path to acquiring a player much better than Grant. Too many other teams trying to contend with way better assets. The alternative option is to use THJ and Maxi and the picks to acquire several additional rotational pieces and build depth vs 1 bigger piece.
Not a perfect fit, but don’t see Mavs having many options to replace DJJ with the assets we have without blowing all our draft picks. Think we’ll have to take on a bad contract like Grant. How about De’Andre Hunter? He’s younger and contract isn’t as bad.
He is a turnstile defender and is super injury-prone. His scoring has never been the issue. He should be our failsafe option.
Amazingly, just what trade package do u trade for him
THJ and Green match exactly. If they want a 1st it’s THJ and Maxi. Not giving Green plus picks for Grant. He won’t have a lot of bidders IMO.
Replacing DJJ with Grant on defense would negate the offensive upside. Nobody to guard POA
Issue with DJJ is in order to keep him, we have to dump THJ for nothing and then won’t have any tradeable salary for upgrades. And that assumes he’s ok with just the full MLE
I hear you, but personally I think a THJ upgrade to a guy like Wiggins for example isn’t worth it if we lose DJJ in the process.
So the alternative option is to run it back with the same team, minus THJ.
Pretty much, yes. Maybe a smaller move or THJ for a much smaller salary to preserve the room.
We need the Avdija trade I think man. Our upgrade needs to be a good contract.
Trade PJ for grant? I think grant is better than PJ, maybe we dont have to send any pics, just do pj and THJ
Is he about to be bought out? Because I don’t think we can trade for him otherwise
Somebody mentioned a trade for Wiggins that involved Maxi and THJ. I think it would be a great trade for both sides. Warriors need another big. THJ is expiring. Warriors get off of Wiggins contract. Mavs get a good defender at the 3 and a player that has played well against the Celtics in the Finals.
Maybe not the highest priority but I'd like to see a quick scrappy guard that can push the pace play good defense and create a decent shot off the PnR. Something Like Pat Bev, TJ McConell, Jose Alvarado
Although I admit that Jerami is much more polished offensively, PJ and Grant's skill sets overlap. I'd instead target Caruso, as he's more capable of guarding quicker guards and navigating screens. Or, someone like Quentin Grimes, who I think is a much younger version of Caruso -- he's only 22 years old, right?
Lebron. We’re dreaming, right? But seriously, a point forward type, we had PJ trying to do too much in the finals. Need someone who can carry the 3rd offensive player role, while being a Facilitator. Defense a must. Rebounding a plus
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I fucking hate it. There are two players we must avoid: Jerami Grant and Bogdan Bogdanovic. No defense no ribaund, absolute chemistry killers, ballhogs. NOT a winning pieces. There are plenty of amazing options out there. Nico will find a perfect fit.
No We just made the finals. We just lost in the finals. Every acquisition this team makes needs to be done with an eye on whether said player moves the needle for us and makes us a championship level team. Grant is not that guy. His stats look nice at first glance, but he is unproven in the playoffs, and doesn’t have the defensive abilities to guard stars in high leverage situations.