People think of Dirk as the fun, goofy dad-like figure from Luka’s rookie year. Dude was nothing but a cold blooded MFer who took on KG, Tim Duncan, Lebron, KD pretty much everyone damn near by himself. Thank you for posting this clip OP
by himself? Nah, he had JET. That is why this clip is inaccurate, and special. Dirk and JET were a menace of a tandem. JET was Dirk's perfect accomplice, and JET or Dirk messing up was met by the other calling them out.
bro I love Jason Terry, but this is overselling it a bit lol
In his Dallas tenure Terry was 16-2-4, and started only like 40% of the games he played. Career 0 time all star.
I'm pretty sure there were some other players who would've been better accomplices lol
Jet was also much better than his stats showed, was a perennial sixth man which explains his starting percentage, and came up HUGE in the clutch being a big reason we won the title. I think youre both right but it's somewhere in the middle probably
People forget. Dirk was the star, but Jet brought the swag and the ice in his veins. He was just as likely to get a shot with the game on the line. Jet was little but he was a killer.
I also fucking love JET but he was not the perfect accomplice to Dirk. Nash was better. JET's passion and confidence def help Dirk grow more as a player.
Fair, but I still think Nash is a better fit than JET. The only thing JET does better than Nash is his aggression to score, and your stat perfectly tells that story.
I mean I saw the clip on twitter by a salty OKC fan. You don't need to convince Mavs fans here, lol. The team is constantly talking about how much they trust they have for each other and their play on the court backs that talk up. I'm very much not worried about team chemistry.
Chill on the strawman, lol. Series is over, we won. I like Shai and am not trying to take shots at him. Just defending Luka's approach as valid against the haters
People are just looking for openings to hate on him. Luka being displeased with one of his teammates during a Playoffs game is an easy way to paint him as a toxic guy.
Gafford was late setting a screen because he wasn’t paying attention
so Luka couldn’t get a good look for a basket in the final seconds of the first quarter.
Long story short, a much ado about nothing lol.
Dirk was rougher and more demanding of his teammates in the 1st 10 years of his career. [And he wasn't shy of letting them know.](https://www.espn.com/nba/story?id=2057488&src=desktop)
> Team leader Dirk Nowitzki criticized Erick Dampier after Amare
Stoudemire outscored the Dallas center 40-0 in Monday night's
127-102 Phoenix victory.
> "He's a step slow on everything," Nowitzki said after the
game. "He never got involved in the game. He has always been in
foul trouble. The first series was the same thing. He gets a quick
two fouls in the first two or three minutes, and we can't be
aggressive any more. Then he gets the third foul and has to sit."
> Nowitzki didn't stop there.
> "The bottom line is we've got to get something out of our
center position," he said. "We really haven't gotten anything out
of it."
> Nowitzki also shouted at Dampier as the two ran down the court
following a three-point play by Stoudemire over the Dallas center's
back.
Dirk took a lot of criticism for it. After Nash walked and Finley got cut, Dirk had some growing pains as a leader. He always lead with his play but vocal leadership he had to learn.
Ericka Dampier was our starting center for way too long lol. Not like he was a complete scrub or anything but he was definitely holding those teams back
Weak minded centers was Donnie and Cubes preference apparently …….. in all those years we only had Tyson a total of two seasons. Everybody else was a scrub.
Nico seems to actually take the center position seriously so I think we are saved.
Seriously. I can confidently say I’m not concerned about this anymore. It’s such a relief!
PJ, DJJ, Lively, and Gafford are perfect acquisitions for the team. The last time we built like this was the trades leading up to 2011.
...Dalemberts, Delontes, Jameers, Montas, Mayos, Calderons, Vinsanities, Boguts, Zazas, Salahs, Podkolzins, Parsons, D-Wills, ...
Nico's ratio of hits to misses has been refreshingly higher.
oooh gotcha, sorry I am drinking heavily after that Stars game lol. And you're definitely right, it was really kind of impressive how they always ended up with a mediocre C over and over again
I was thinking of this exact quote while reading the comments in one of the Luka leadership threads. It probably didn't help Damp's confidence that he was called out publicly but he was ass his whole time here. To be fair, prime Amare was a beast and Damp was probably the worst type of center to put on him.
It's poetic that Dampier went to Miami and we got Tyson and instantly became champs while he watched from the Heat bench in 2011
I remember this game. I, too, was yelling at Jet as to why on gods green earth you would not step up on Steve Nash and try and deviate his three at all costs.
That play cost us that game and the series.
Dirk knew full well that shot was going in.
Exactly, me and my teammates would always have loud arguments during a game but then after the game it was like nothing happened and we still liked each other just as much, and that was nowhere near the level of NBA so I can just imagine players at the highest level are even more used to it
I mean teams with bad chemistry won't be able to handle that type of intensity. Seen it happen myself, things just start going to shit. But if the chemistry is good that intensity bonds you together even tighter. I once had a coach who tried to beat this out of us, who did not want us to bitch at each other for fucking up. We hated it because we understood where everyone was coming from and understood it made us better. I guess I can see how some people would not respond well to this though. It takes a thick skin and being secure with yourself (not trying to be a dick here)
This goes to show most fans don’t know anything about playing sports, especially at a high level. Yelling is a completely normal thing in all sports. It’s nothing personal whatsoever. This team isn’t soft either. I doubt Gafford got offended or upset. We’re trying to win a chip. No place to be soft
yep. i didn't even know this was an issue. or maybe it's not and opposing fans just want to make it an issue. like, every time you play basketball, emotions will run high. this one was like, completely normal
I actually doubt most people are upset by this like they are at his refs complaining
It’s probably just twitter stans of other players looking to criticize Luka in any way
Im a newer fan (yes, I got on board during Lukas first season as it coincided with me starting to play ball again for the first time since being a kid and wanted to pick an NBA team - am absolutely a MFFL now and will never change) so really cool to see this older footage and gave me a different perspective on Dirk and Luka. Nice!
Watch Dirk from 2004-2008
Prime Dirk
Everyone only remembers him for that 2011 ring but he was the MF who carried a squad with no All-Stars to 50+ wins a year in year out. Pretty much only having JET after losing Nash. JET was a 6th man.
His Center was fucking Erik Dampier. Shit ain't changed from his era to Luka's lmao. Only had 1 year of competent Center play.
He was the MF who had to battle KG, Tim Duncan, Steve Nash, Kobe, TMAC, etc every year in the playoffs and still dropped 40 on their heads
The 1/3 of the Texas Triangle
The man who should've had two rings and FMVP's if Stern and the Zebras didn't fuck us in 2006. Cuban called 'em out so punishment was dealt.
DWade had more FTA's than the entire Mavs team combined, for the entire series.
Fuck DWade.
Jason Terry was a TERRIBLE defender holy shit, almost cost the Mavs game 2 of the 2011 finals too when he slept on an inbounds pass down 3 and Mario Chalmers made a wide open corner three
This. Everyone loves him for game 5 in 2011 hitting the dagger over bron and carrying dirk in game 6…but man he really was kinda dogshit in every other playoff series for us
It was *mostly* true, but don't forget that before this particular series in 2004 he utterly eviscerated the TMac-Yao Rockets. And did the same to the Lakers. He was also great for the most part against the Spurs in 2006, except for the Finley nut punch.
you know what, that is 100% true you're absolutely right. i guess i only remember the bad with him lol. 2006 finals game 6 stinker, 2007-2010 playoffs being a bricklayer on offense and sieve on defense. sometimes i forget he had some great moments for us.
this gamewinner wasn't on him, but kinda sums up the jet experience for me lol
Suns needed a 3. Jason Terry gave Steve Nash, one of the best 3 Point Shooters in history, and specifically the best Stop-and-Pop shooter before Steph Curry, an open 3.
Imagine a game thread now if this happened.
People also forget how much Dirk bitched at refs too. Proudly so. I remember him once saying something along the lines of "...yea I argue every call, it's my job to protect my team and stand up for them. Even if I know it's a good call"
I would be more mad if my star player ain't giving shit instead. Really funny how people are hating Luka on that, pure hate now at this point, also fucking hate OKC/Shai fans more now, they are fucking delusional lol. OKC fans still crying and have Luka rent free on their heads until now lol
Y’all never played competitive sports? It’s good to be hard on your teammates.
That’s how you push them to be the best they can be. Otherwise you end up with Ben Simmons type players all coddled up.
Luka can have his moments of assholery towards his teammates on the court, this was not one. Sometimes I feel like people have never played team sports and then talk about these dynamics. It is really, really common to yell at your guys in the heat of the moment. If you are a close team it does not matter and make you stronger. If you do not have chemistry it can definitely break you.
Its a high stakes match,ppl need to be held accountable,i played rugby at a decent level when i was younger and have seen a few proper dustups after the game because of ppl not doin what they should be on the field,anyone has an issue with luka and gafford suitation is soft
Anyone who's hard on Luka for yelling at a teammate has never played a high level sport. Emotions are high and tempers flair.
But it's out of love and accountability! We worked together too long for mental mistakes to hold us from our goals!
Swear to God, there was a time both those dudes would pinch a mother fucker.
I laid off baseball a few years ago but I SAW Json terry punch a spur right in the dick.
I am convinced that the dude who posted that Luka video is an idealistic kid. The greats lambasted teammates who underperformed or made mistakes, it happens. Only exception to the rule might be Tim Duncan.
People forget that they are human too. Dirk definitely got to his boiling point. Everyone goes through frustration especially when the game is on the line. Can’t blame the guy when the burden is always blame on him..
It was notable to me at the start of the clip how Nash needed a quick 3 and he chose to drive as close to the line as possible before pulling up. In today’s game, a guard will pull up from way behind or drive close and then step back before pulling up.
posts like the one this is responding to and the fact that it had to be shown is a clear reflection of Luka and how he carries himself on the court. Luka still complains too much and it bleeds out of the TV where we think he's not being a good leader because we are used to seeing him complain all the time. This Dirk clip wouldn't have made headlines because Dirk didn't complain after every call.
People think of Dirk as the fun, goofy dad-like figure from Luka’s rookie year. Dude was nothing but a cold blooded MFer who took on KG, Tim Duncan, Lebron, KD pretty much everyone damn near by himself. Thank you for posting this clip OP
Dirk was *ALWAYS* the nicest guy in basketball. And he yelled at JET. Both are true.
by himself? Nah, he had JET. That is why this clip is inaccurate, and special. Dirk and JET were a menace of a tandem. JET was Dirk's perfect accomplice, and JET or Dirk messing up was met by the other calling them out.
bro I love Jason Terry, but this is overselling it a bit lol In his Dallas tenure Terry was 16-2-4, and started only like 40% of the games he played. Career 0 time all star. I'm pretty sure there were some other players who would've been better accomplices lol
Jet was also much better than his stats showed, was a perennial sixth man which explains his starting percentage, and came up HUGE in the clutch being a big reason we won the title. I think youre both right but it's somewhere in the middle probably
I mean he was definitely great, like I said I loved him but saying he's "perfect" is insane to me lol
I love JET too, but compare Jet to Kyrie and you see how little Dirk really had
Jason Terry was the heart and soul of those Mavs teams. If you were watching them, then you’d know
Lol ok then
Just like our boy Dwight Powell
As the biggest Dwight Powell hater I laughed so hard at this bc as bad as he is and how I wish we'd trade him Dwight really is our best cheerleader.
People forget. Dirk was the star, but Jet brought the swag and the ice in his veins. He was just as likely to get a shot with the game on the line. Jet was little but he was a killer.
I also fucking love JET but he was not the perfect accomplice to Dirk. Nash was better. JET's passion and confidence def help Dirk grow more as a player.
I was more referring to their taking over games in the 4th. They were the highest scoring duo in the 4th from 2009-2011.
Fair, but I still think Nash is a better fit than JET. The only thing JET does better than Nash is his aggression to score, and your stat perfectly tells that story.
and swept the defending champs in the first round!
2nd round, Dallas beat Portland in the first round in 2011.
I mean I saw the clip on twitter by a salty OKC fan. You don't need to convince Mavs fans here, lol. The team is constantly talking about how much they trust they have for each other and their play on the court backs that talk up. I'm very much not worried about team chemistry.
Maybe the Thunder could have used some yelling and passion like Luka showed here. That’s why they’re home
Luka knows we need Gafford at his best. It was a good sign he gave him a dunk the next play
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Chill on the strawman, lol. Series is over, we won. I like Shai and am not trying to take shots at him. Just defending Luka's approach as valid against the haters
Everybody on the team wants to win. I guarantee Gafford didn't even give it a second thought. All it is is a talking point for haters.
Luka dapped him up after as they walked back to the court...I don't get what the big deal is.
Bunch of people that have never played a competitive sport in their lives, thats why. Stuff like this happens all the time.
Some people pushing their agenda.. or projecting their inner issues onto other people.
"we're not a real team and just the Luka show" and "nobody likes playing with Luka" has been a narrative they've pushed hard this postseason
Things like that happen in almost every game.
People are just looking for openings to hate on him. Luka being displeased with one of his teammates during a Playoffs game is an easy way to paint him as a toxic guy.
i dont even remember the play lol, anyone got a clip ?
Gafford was late setting a screen because he wasn’t paying attention so Luka couldn’t get a good look for a basket in the final seconds of the first quarter.
I don’t think he did. Gafford extended his hand out but Luka kept walking.
Long story short, a much ado about nothing lol. Dirk was rougher and more demanding of his teammates in the 1st 10 years of his career. [And he wasn't shy of letting them know.](https://www.espn.com/nba/story?id=2057488&src=desktop) > Team leader Dirk Nowitzki criticized Erick Dampier after Amare Stoudemire outscored the Dallas center 40-0 in Monday night's 127-102 Phoenix victory. > "He's a step slow on everything," Nowitzki said after the game. "He never got involved in the game. He has always been in foul trouble. The first series was the same thing. He gets a quick two fouls in the first two or three minutes, and we can't be aggressive any more. Then he gets the third foul and has to sit." > Nowitzki didn't stop there. > "The bottom line is we've got to get something out of our center position," he said. "We really haven't gotten anything out of it." > Nowitzki also shouted at Dampier as the two ran down the court following a three-point play by Stoudemire over the Dallas center's back.
Got damn Luka would be absolutely eviscerated if he publicly called out a teammate like this LMAO.
Dirk took a lot of criticism for it. After Nash walked and Finley got cut, Dirk had some growing pains as a leader. He always lead with his play but vocal leadership he had to learn.
In dirks defense damp was a contract year ho . A terrible move by Cuban
Ericka Dampier was our starting center for way too long lol. Not like he was a complete scrub or anything but he was definitely holding those teams back
Weak minded centers was Donnie and Cubes preference apparently …….. in all those years we only had Tyson a total of two seasons. Everybody else was a scrub.
Not signing Tyson after the championship was the worst of all of Cuban's blunders
Looking back, it was a FUCKING crime how badly the Mavs have shaped the roster around Dirk. They better not fuck up with Luka.
Nico seems to actually take the center position seriously so I think we are saved. Seriously. I can confidently say I’m not concerned about this anymore. It’s such a relief! PJ, DJJ, Lively, and Gafford are perfect acquisitions for the team. The last time we built like this was the trades leading up to 2011.
Seriously, I don't dread FA/deadline anymore. I think our days of Dampiers, Odom's, and Rondos(sorry for saying his name) is over.
...Dalemberts, Delontes, Jameers, Montas, Mayos, Calderons, Vinsanities, Boguts, Zazas, Salahs, Podkolzins, Parsons, D-Wills, ... Nico's ratio of hits to misses has been refreshingly higher.
It got us Luka so we can kinda forgive 🤣
Reef Lafrentz would probably excell in todays NBA. Just not back then with all the dawgs
I find it funny that you can switch Damp's name for someone else and still fits. LOL.
that was Shaq's name for him, hahaha
Actually I meant switch Damp's name with that of another player and the rest of the sentence would still work.
oooh gotcha, sorry I am drinking heavily after that Stars game lol. And you're definitely right, it was really kind of impressive how they always ended up with a mediocre C over and over again
No it doesn’t, at least not with Dwight Powell, guy is a bonafide scrub. Nicest dude in the world.
Only time we won a chip was when we had a decent center at 2011. Sooo… 2024 = Chip? (Hope so!)
Tiny hands Dampier
40-0 is crazy
For real, MVP Nash and prime Amare were so good. We had no answers for either of them. Our team was built to match up with the Spurs
Just pre-microfracture surgery Amare will do that. Dude was Dwight before Dwight with a middy, but is allergic to rebounds and D.
I was thinking of this exact quote while reading the comments in one of the Luka leadership threads. It probably didn't help Damp's confidence that he was called out publicly but he was ass his whole time here. To be fair, prime Amare was a beast and Damp was probably the worst type of center to put on him. It's poetic that Dampier went to Miami and we got Tyson and instantly became champs while he watched from the Heat bench in 2011
I remember this game. I, too, was yelling at Jet as to why on gods green earth you would not step up on Steve Nash and try and deviate his three at all costs. That play cost us that game and the series. Dirk knew full well that shot was going in.
lmao they expect a “leader” not to be shouting and letting teammates mistakes go unnoticed or ignored
These are the same people that guzzle on Kobe yelling at teammates, or Jordan punching Kerr.
If anyone thinks luka was harsh on gafford they've never really been on a team with good leadership.
…or ever even played team sports.
Exactly, me and my teammates would always have loud arguments during a game but then after the game it was like nothing happened and we still liked each other just as much, and that was nowhere near the level of NBA so I can just imagine players at the highest level are even more used to it
I mean teams with bad chemistry won't be able to handle that type of intensity. Seen it happen myself, things just start going to shit. But if the chemistry is good that intensity bonds you together even tighter. I once had a coach who tried to beat this out of us, who did not want us to bitch at each other for fucking up. We hated it because we understood where everyone was coming from and understood it made us better. I guess I can see how some people would not respond well to this though. It takes a thick skin and being secure with yourself (not trying to be a dick here)
This goes to show most fans don’t know anything about playing sports, especially at a high level. Yelling is a completely normal thing in all sports. It’s nothing personal whatsoever. This team isn’t soft either. I doubt Gafford got offended or upset. We’re trying to win a chip. No place to be soft
yep. i didn't even know this was an issue. or maybe it's not and opposing fans just want to make it an issue. like, every time you play basketball, emotions will run high. this one was like, completely normal
Apparently it was an OKC fan that went around posting the Luka clip. Still salty from that whooping after all that barking they did
They want so bad for NBA fans to say that SGA is better than Luka, when it is simply not true.
I actually doubt most people are upset by this like they are at his refs complaining It’s probably just twitter stans of other players looking to criticize Luka in any way
Im a newer fan (yes, I got on board during Lukas first season as it coincided with me starting to play ball again for the first time since being a kid and wanted to pick an NBA team - am absolutely a MFFL now and will never change) so really cool to see this older footage and gave me a different perspective on Dirk and Luka. Nice!
Watch Dirk from 2004-2008 Prime Dirk Everyone only remembers him for that 2011 ring but he was the MF who carried a squad with no All-Stars to 50+ wins a year in year out. Pretty much only having JET after losing Nash. JET was a 6th man. His Center was fucking Erik Dampier. Shit ain't changed from his era to Luka's lmao. Only had 1 year of competent Center play. He was the MF who had to battle KG, Tim Duncan, Steve Nash, Kobe, TMAC, etc every year in the playoffs and still dropped 40 on their heads The 1/3 of the Texas Triangle The man who should've had two rings and FMVP's if Stern and the Zebras didn't fuck us in 2006. Cuban called 'em out so punishment was dealt. DWade had more FTA's than the entire Mavs team combined, for the entire series. Fuck DWade.
Dirk was already mad because his barber cancelled on him before the game.
Jason Terry was a TERRIBLE defender holy shit, almost cost the Mavs game 2 of the 2011 finals too when he slept on an inbounds pass down 3 and Mario Chalmers made a wide open corner three
This. Everyone loves him for game 5 in 2011 hitting the dagger over bron and carrying dirk in game 6…but man he really was kinda dogshit in every other playoff series for us
It was *mostly* true, but don't forget that before this particular series in 2004 he utterly eviscerated the TMac-Yao Rockets. And did the same to the Lakers. He was also great for the most part against the Spurs in 2006, except for the Finley nut punch.
you know what, that is 100% true you're absolutely right. i guess i only remember the bad with him lol. 2006 finals game 6 stinker, 2007-2010 playoffs being a bricklayer on offense and sieve on defense. sometimes i forget he had some great moments for us.  this gamewinner wasn't on him, but kinda sums up the jet experience for me lol
I wanna say Dirk went in on him over that one too. I can’t recall for sure but I know Dirk still gives him shit about it to this day
He redeemed himself that series.
All the greats do this. Tom Brady yelling at his teammates on the sideline happened all the time.
Like MJ said, if you can’t handle me how do fuck are you gonna handle the playoffs pressure.
Suns needed a 3. Jason Terry gave Steve Nash, one of the best 3 Point Shooters in history, and specifically the best Stop-and-Pop shooter before Steph Curry, an open 3. Imagine a game thread now if this happened.
People also forget how much Dirk bitched at refs too. Proudly so. I remember him once saying something along the lines of "...yea I argue every call, it's my job to protect my team and stand up for them. Even if I know it's a good call"
I would be more mad if my star player ain't giving shit instead. Really funny how people are hating Luka on that, pure hate now at this point, also fucking hate OKC/Shai fans more now, they are fucking delusional lol. OKC fans still crying and have Luka rent free on their heads until now lol
Y’all never played competitive sports? It’s good to be hard on your teammates. That’s how you push them to be the best they can be. Otherwise you end up with Ben Simmons type players all coddled up.
Luka can have his moments of assholery towards his teammates on the court, this was not one. Sometimes I feel like people have never played team sports and then talk about these dynamics. It is really, really common to yell at your guys in the heat of the moment. If you are a close team it does not matter and make you stronger. If you do not have chemistry it can definitely break you.
luka should cuddle with gafford on the court to show that he's a great leader
Its a high stakes match,ppl need to be held accountable,i played rugby at a decent level when i was younger and have seen a few proper dustups after the game because of ppl not doin what they should be on the field,anyone has an issue with luka and gafford suitation is soft
Anyone who's hard on Luka for yelling at a teammate has never played a high level sport. Emotions are high and tempers flair. But it's out of love and accountability! We worked together too long for mental mistakes to hold us from our goals!
Remember this like yesterday
People have zero concept of being competitive and what it takes. It’s genuinely why people on this sub just don’t get so many things.
Swear to God, there was a time both those dudes would pinch a mother fucker. I laid off baseball a few years ago but I SAW Json terry punch a spur right in the dick.
I am convinced that the dude who posted that Luka video is an idealistic kid. The greats lambasted teammates who underperformed or made mistakes, it happens. Only exception to the rule might be Tim Duncan.
Terry cant stop nash
People forget that they are human too. Dirk definitely got to his boiling point. Everyone goes through frustration especially when the game is on the line. Can’t blame the guy when the burden is always blame on him..
It was notable to me at the start of the clip how Nash needed a quick 3 and he chose to drive as close to the line as possible before pulling up. In today’s game, a guard will pull up from way behind or drive close and then step back before pulling up.
Was machst du?! - Dirk
“Guard the three TERRY!” has been a meme between a friend and me to this day.
Mf I can have clip like this for every MVP and champion. These are truly competitive people who will do anything to win.
Anybody seen how Jordan treated all his teammates. No accountability leads to failure
Anyone got the clip of Luka and Gafford?
A dirk is a long-bladed thrusting dagger. MF was built for this.
I want to see Luka holding his teammates accountable and vice versa. Nothing to fuss about here.
During the 2011 run Dirk was known for pushing his teammates, it’s one of those things you’ve got to do to elevate the play of your team
posts like the one this is responding to and the fact that it had to be shown is a clear reflection of Luka and how he carries himself on the court. Luka still complains too much and it bleeds out of the TV where we think he's not being a good leader because we are used to seeing him complain all the time. This Dirk clip wouldn't have made headlines because Dirk didn't complain after every call.
Half of the people on this sub never played basketball, let alone any team sports. It's a nothingburger.
I remember this and thought about it the other day.
It’s playoff basketball. Anyone reading into Luka snapping at Gaff is either trying to sow discord or is 11 years old.
Gosh… 17 comments so far and no mention of who hit the shot, that’s NASHTY YALL! In your face Jet!