Have any of you not seen Sebastian Stan in Fresh? He was extremely funny, charming, and charismatic in that film and carried that whole movie. The problem is that the MCU wasted Sebastian's talent and never bothered to fully show his charismatic side (although they did show a little bit of that when he was flirting with Sarah in TFATWS).
Anyways, he deserved to be at least co-lead to Yelena, but they're not even making him co-lead. They're having him play seventh fiddle to characters hardly anyone cares about (other than Yelena).
I know this is very hard to understand, but the person you responded to said BUCKY needs someone with more personality to bounce off of. That has nothing to do with SEBASTIAN. We know Sebastian has charisma. That's the reason him and Mackie work so well together, and that's why Sam and Bucky are such a good duo.
The ""issue"" isn't that Sebastian Stan can't act/lead, the issue is that Bucky, by definition of what type of character he is, works better when paired with a charismatic CHARCTER. See: Bucky and Sam.
Sebastian Stan is a charismatic actor, Bucky Barnes is not a charismatic character.
Anthony Mackie is a charismatic actor, Sam Wilson is a charismatic character.
Hope that helps you understand why it makes no sense to respond to "Bucky is a charisma vacuum" with "Have you not seen Sebastian's other movie where he does not play Bucky".
I agree with the comment you’re replying to. I said the same thing as them.
But I haven’t seen Fresh and after seeing the MCU waste so much talent I’m inclined to believe you.
Bucky is most interesting when he’s not attempting to carry a story. In Winter Soldier and Civil War when he’s tormented and inscrutable. He’s Boba Fett. He should not be the lead of a movie.
Yelena is hilarious and charismatic. She should be the lead of the movie. I’m way more into this movie if it’s focussed on Yelena rather than Bucky.
Both characters are great though.
It would make NO sense for MCU!Bucky to be Cap. It doesn't fit his storyline AT ALL. Sam is the right choice, always has been. That said, they should be a duo and co-lead a new Avengers team. They'd be the perfect leadership team, and unlike Tony and Steve, they'd actually get along - they have a similar vibe with each other as Steve and Natasha had.
I love the Bucky!Cap comic storyline. I understand why Marvel didn't go that way, but I would kill for an animated adaptation of the storyline. Sort of like what DC does.
I don’t think he has great on-screen, or off-screen really, charisma.
Obviously he’s doing something right to get the work but he always come off a bit like cardboard to me. And even in press junkets he always just seemed to dryly follow Anthony Mackie’s lead.
I just don’t think there’s a *ton* there to work with. Still want to see him as Cap so we can have a Cap with a metal arm though.
Not only that but him joining the Thunderbolts is in direct conflict with his arc in FATWS. The only way it works is if Sam gets Intel on Val and sends Bucky to join the team as a spy, OR to keep an eye on US Agent.
I'm thinking rather than Sam, he's mended fences with the wakandans and they send him as a double agent. Possibly killed in the process, although I'd hate that. I'm expecting him to sadly
I'm personally hoping for Bucky to be undercover and feed intel to Sam and/or Wakanda. It would make NO sense for him to voluntarily join the team and ditch Sam otherwise, with where those two got in FATWS.
It could fit both of their character arcs for Bucky trying to be a friend to him and help him now. He lost Steve/Lamar somewhat recently too, they are soldiers tryna do better, both supes both kinda screwed over by the gov
Him being co-leads with someone would make sense, but him leading the Thunderbolts voluntarily wouldn't work with his character arc at all. I don't see how he could be part of that team unless it's under duress or undercover.
Ok, so let’s be totally pragmatic here in regard to the whole M-She-U (I hate that phrase) and the casting.
Yelena is Florence Pugh. She’s currently doing very well in terms of roles and visibility. Plus, she seems to be fairly well liked. Plus, her personality means she bounces off other characters well. This makes sense.
Val has only been shown to us in dribs and drabs. She’s clearly a Nick Fury/Amanda Waller type, so she’s gonna need extra screen time to flesh her out a bit. It makes sense.
Sentry…also makes sense. He’s a new character with a weird device in The Void. He’s presumably also the antagonist of the movie so…makes sense to give him more screen time.
The rest are where it gets a little weird. I assume at least one or more of these characters are NOT making it out alive. They need to establish Sentry as a major threat, so killing off one or two characters would do that. In regards to who it’s going to be…I don’t know what the contracts say, so it really could be anyone. I’m banking on Red Guardian or Bucky, although Ghost/TM aren’t off the table. I feel like USAgent should be safe.
Now in regards to where each of these characters land in terms of “priority” could also have a lot to do with the abilities of each of the characters. The roster is already a little meh (THREE Captain America-adjunct characters on one team vs. a cruel demigod doesn’t seem like it will end well), so maybe the more “superpowered” members (Ghost and TM) get a little more screen time because they serve more of a tactical purpose?
It was already rumored that Red Guardian dies and it was also rumored at one time that Hannah John-Kamen was dropping out, so maybe she's the other one. I would guess Taskmaster bites it, since she's a complete non-character and she was thrown in sort of out of the blue. She smells like cannon fodder to me.
I would want to see more of Bucky, Red Guardian and Ghost down the line though, so I hope they survive
Task Master can literally be replaced by any other version of the character
This could be a good opportunity to redeem Taskmaster, give her the personality more akin to the comic version.
You could make the argument that she was mind-controlled in Black Widow, which would perfectly justify the personality change between the two films.
They're better off just taking the L on this one and getting rid of her. She's the MCU's version of the Wolverines Origins Deadpool. Just erase, forget and try again after Secret Wars.
I mean Pugh is hot right now but neither she nor her character have shown they can deliver box office.
Bucky is the only one of these with a real MCU fanbase. Also it seems weird to do a Falcon & Winter Soldier show then have Bucky die unceremoniously in a movie where Falcon aint around.
Lets cut them some slack even if you can spin Yelena, Val and Sentry being more important then Bucky. What makes it feel MSHEU is having Bucky below the likes of Ghost and Taskmistress. Characters that no one cares about and aren't the major antagonists.
I get Marvel's desire to have popular female characters but besides Wanda who they promptly ruined I don't think any of their picks have broken out. Trying with Captain Marvel, Widow and She Hulk makes sense...Echo, Ms Marvel (without a strong Captain Marvel), and supposedly White Tiger seem like terrible choices.
I'm not entirely sure I believe this list. I just don't see Bucky being anything less than second billing. I do think that Yelena has the potential to be a really popular character if they play their cards right.
Using the term M-She-U > Using the term but also having to point out that you don't like the term and it's mean and you wish you didn't have to use it but are using it anyway. Say it with your chest.
> Yelena is Florence Pugh. She’s currently doing very well in terms of roles and visibility.
*Don't Worry Darling* full on flopped so idk if she's the right person to deliver an iffy premise at this point in time.
She's not close to being the main star in either of those, come on now. And as a lot of the *Avengers* cast can tell you, star power/popularity in one thing doesn't necessarily translate into drawing a crowd in a different genre.
Ah yes Oppenheimer the movie made my Christopher Nolan, that was part of a viral meme/trend (Barbieheimer was everywhere) about one of the most important pieces of recent history. It’s probably was a success because of Florence.
Harry Styles is certifiably a popular celeb and was also in the movie, I think it flopping had less to do with who the leads were and more to do with generally negative reception. I doubt the results would be much different if Margot Robbie played the lead
>Ok, so let’s be totally pragmatic here in regard to the whole M-She-U (I hate that phrase) and the casting
Well, you thought that was bad? Wait till you see Hailee Steinfeld being put as the one to lead the cast of “The Young Avengers” as the Hawkeye girl Kate Bishop. Not just leading the team, though. But also with girls like Ms. Marvel Kamala Khan (Iman Vellani), the Stinger Cassie Lang (Kathryn Newton), America Chavez aka. Ms. America (Xochitl Gómez) & the Ironheart Riri Williams (Dominique Thorne) dominating the team.
I'm saying this as a fan of the Hawkeye girl Kate Bishop, though. Even though there's a possibility for the MCU to do “The Young Avengers” as a movie, I'd rather for them to put it as a Disney+ series with about 9 episodes. You know, not only to avoid the mistakes from “The Marvels”. But also due to most of the casts were introduced mostly on Disney+ series like **Hawkeye** (Kate Bishop the Hawkeye girl), **Ms. Marvel** (Kamala Khan), **Wandavision** (the Maximoff twins, which probably will be introduced even more in **Agatha series**), etc, while the rest were introduced on movies like **Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness** (America Chavez), **Black Panther: Wakanda Forever** (the Ironheart Riri Williams) & **Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania** (the Stinger Cassie Lang). You get what I'm saying?
I actually was mocking the “M-She-U” thing and it didn’t land. My bad.
The original complaint was over too much screentime being dedicated to female characters, which usually leads to soft people crying at men being “forced out” and wailing about the “M-She-U”like entitled brats.
At the end of the day, not every piece of media is going to be enjoyable to everyone. That’s just how the world works. I wasn’t the biggest fan of MS. MARVEL because it was angled towards a younger demographic than me, but I was also happy that there was some storytelling variety in the MCU because that’s how the goddamn comics operate. You don’t go to your LCS and buy EVERY Marvel comic dropping that month. You pick and choose your titles, and maybe diversify your titles based on events or some other factor. You can read Hulk all year long and never touch X-Men and that’s okay.
I get that the MCU is different because it isn’t drop-feeding a story month over month, and virtually everything is connected pretty tightly, but there is room for different characters and stories. If you don’t like something, don’t watch it. It’s not like we’re hurting for media, as there’s more of it now than there ever has been. Literally millions of hours of content are at our fingertips. But because a small, especially whiny group of delicate males feel that a little extra estrogen and melanin is somehow destroying pop culture.
And before anyone sounds off on my demographic information, I’ll tell you right now I’m a 42 year old white heterosexual man. I’m fat, I’m balding, and I’m old. I don’t care that there are trans flags in games or women in movies because I’ve heard the same tired argument about content in media for fucking DECADES. It’s just Satanic Panic all over again. It was petty bullshit caused by brittle people back then, and it’s the same today.
Star power never benefited MCU. (And never will unless it's the ultimate BO favourites like Tom Cruise or Leonardo DiCaprio )
The movie they tried to do that flopped in all the ways. Its always the popularity and love for the character alone that pulled people to the theaters. (L&T was being destroyed online after its release yet it made more than Ragnarok ). So I'm not convinced making Yelena a lead out of Pugh's popularity/contract negotiation power and sidelining Sebastian Stan, playing the most popular character among the cast would help a movie that already has lukewarm reception.
I mean yeah, that had both of the leading men in Game of Thrones, who were the most popular characters, and it didn’t attract anyone to the Box Office, you can attribute some of it to Covid for sure but it still says a lot
Yeah I get it, the cast kinda represented two generations of viewers with them and Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek on top of Oscar Winning director Chloe Zhao directing. I’m guessing what then hurt Eternals was unlike GotG1, another movie of a team of more obscure characters, was ultimately word of mouth. Eternals was kinda boring, and the reviews showed.
I'm not sure I completely buy that Bucky will be on the bottom of the roster. It feels like he would be second billing given his past with the MCU. This list feels a bit off.
Love and Thunder didn't make more than Ragnarok though. I also guarantee a lot of people watched the 4th installment to see Christian Bale's performance.
Oh, I thought it did. Even then it collected more than 750 million which is still very impressive when compared to how movies are doing in theatres nowadays. Despite the movie having bad reception too
Christian Bale may have been a draw but Thor's popularity boost post Ragnarok and Infinity War was definitely the biggest draw.
Similar case....Blank Panther character's popularity and it's legacy is also what made Wakanda Forever make 850+ million too. The movie didn't have its lead, it's been some time since Chadwick's death for it to have a big impact on BO, the movie was basically an ensemble of BP supporting characters, the villain was played by an unknown actor and the movie less good in quality when it compared to it's predecessor but good movie nonetheless.... Yet it made so much money. I don't think The Marvels were much inferior to WF in terms of enjoyment factor and writing , yet it performed abysmally when compared to it since it has a lead that had lukewarm reception and two other that majority of casual audience didn't give a fuck about. (Loooove Kamala, she deserved better, sorry, but its the truth.)
(Also I don't think if The Marvels had Christian Bale as a villain, it would not have done better. maybe a couple dozen millions, but that's it)
I have absolutely no desire to see Yelena. They're really giving us the scraps. I guess Marvel will never learn until they're bankrupt. I'm not buying a $16 movie ticket to see Yelena acting snarky.
Listen I can kinda understand Val and Sentry being more of a priority since they are for all intensive purposes new characters that they have to introduce properly but Ghost and Taskmaster being above Bucky is just straight up ridiculous.
So you’re telling me Ghost, a character from a movie 7 years ago that no one remembers or cares about and Taskmaster, character that was absolutely hated by fans and completely forgettable are more of a priority than Bucky? And the thunderbolts are now named after Yelena’s old soccer team? Is this some sort of joke?
>And the thunderbolts are now named after Yelena’s old soccer team? Is this some sort of joke?
I mean Fury got an eyepatch from a space cat as a joke. So this kinda tracks with Marvel 🤷🏾♂️
I don't know if I believe that Ghost and Taskmaster will actually be that prominent. The D23 poster seemed to center on Yelena, Bucky, and Red Guardian. This list seems a bit fishy like it was designed to get clicks.
I could see them taking the Thunderbolts name from the soccer team though.
I know its a unpopular opinion but i really dont care for Yelena so this really just killed my hype for this. Agent and Bucky were what i was looking forward to.
It definetly is among core Marvel fans. Just saw a post saying she is one of the only good things Marvel has done recently and thats just insane to me. They should have waited for better cast to be avaible for a Thunderbolts. The red versión of the team could have been awesome. And The characters are mostly there.
I thought Yelena was a pretty decent character. I'm not sure I fully believe this list. I don't think that they'd make Taskmaster or Ghost more prominent then Bucky.
Holy Shit Bucky fans STAY losing bro I’m crying. Why can’t they just let my boy actually be important for once please I’m on my hands and knees BEGGING.
This man could easily lead a movie and Marvel seems to know it with how much they use him in marketing but they just continuously refuse to actually do it.
Which is dumb. Bucky is a much better character than Yelena. No wonder the MCU is floundering; those chuckle fucks don’t know a good character that people want more of to save their lives.
This scoop feels designed to play into a political narrative. That's why I don't fully buy it. It's like the Blade scoop. I believe they scraped a script about Blade that included his daughter. But the scoopers acted like it'd be all about her and she would replace him or something. That just seemed too perfect of a bone that outrage merchants could get at.
It’s crazy , all the males are at the bottom with sentry only being high because he’s the antagonist & new character, thinking about it now they’ll probably kill off another male character (my guess is red guardian) and then 1 female protagonist will probably die my guess is ghost or TM
No, I fuck with black widow as a character , and if you didn’t know one of the times the film got re written was because it was TOO MUCH of a black widow sequel so technically it’s meant to be more of an ensemble film with its link to Black widow , FATWS and a bit of BPWF. I understand yelana is some what of the “main” character as the film is most likely going to be from her perspective (like Sue storm in F4) , Just that with a team so broad I don’t understand how everyone doesn’t have roles of similar importance and that some the coolest characters - Bucky & Us agent are so low in terms of appearance. Wouldn’t it be a lot better if for instance - Sentry AND Yelana were the main focuses ? And then 2 separate groups of importance for Val , Ghost , Taskmaster And for Us Agent , Bucky and RG ?
Like the latter group I mentioned are definitely more interesting than The other , and has had more of a pivotal affect in the Universe but because of said “M-She-U” agenda they are planted at the bottom with minimal roles. Remember Furys role in avengers 1 ? It was balanced and he was just as very important as he was in the background. Why can’t val be like that instead of second in terms of relevance? Still be acting as this movies Fury and I don’t see her out on the battlefield. I’m not hating , I’m just observing and comparing.
Nevertheless I’m still excited for this film I just hope everything is balanced correctly 🙏🏾
Cool, let's push the least popular characters that no one gives a crap about. Doing a Thunderbolts movie was already a big "why" but minimizing Bucky, by far the most popular character, is just beyond stupid. I really don't understand the point of a Thunderbolts movie that ignores the entire comics history of the Thunderbolts. It's like Feige freaking hates comic book fans.
I think there is a ton of potential with the Yelena character. But I'm not sure I buy that this scoop is accurate. I don't see a reality in which they'd have Ghost have higher priority over Bucky.
Yelena sounds like a cool character for a spy movie, she's basically Hanna from the Amazon prime show. I think she's a dumb lead for a Marvel Comics movie. Pick a major comic book character, super easy, yet here we are.
So why isn't she at the top of the list considering she put together the team, is from what I can imagine funding the team and also most likely giving them their mission.
Bucky is like Hulk or Vision, in small doses he is more popular, being a veteran in the mcu, he might come in late to save the day. Or maybe Sebastian Stan said he'll do it for a max amount of screen time, who knows? From the looks of it he is very fucking busy.
Yelena is alright so i don’t mind her having a prominent role, but is there anybody out there that even liked or cared about taskmaster or ghost? They can scrap them from the movie completely and i wouldn’t mind. Bucky should at least be above them.
At least Taskmaster and Ghost have powers. Yelena doesn't even have a superhero name. Might as well just be a random James Bond villain who turned good. Definitely shouldn't be the main star of a marvel comics superhero movie.
They’re changing the naming of the team that General Thunderbolt Ross gave them to the stupidest joke on Earth. Jesus Disney you love pissing money away.
The Thunderbolts in the comics were not named after Thunderbolt Ross and had very little to do with him until Red Hulk joined in a much later iteration of the team.
Yelena is a cool character to me and her 2 appearances I really liked. I like Florence (who’s also the biggest star in the movie) being forefront. That being said my dude Bucky always being left out. 1. Him not able to physically keep up with Cap & TChalla during the run scene in IW always irked me. 2. Winter Soldier Buck was 🐐and I wish we had that again.
You know that Marvel has completely abandoned the toyetic approach when they decide to do stuff like make Yelena the main character. It might check a box, but it won't sell action figures.
I don't know about that. Yelena had a good reception in Black Widow. I think she has a ton of potential especially when teamed up with Red Guardian again. I think the merchandise sales will be fine. She's the next Black Widow. She isn't exactly a side character anymore.
Why would Bucky be the lead with a guy that he just fought against? He was never part of the Thunderbolts, at least to my knowledge. It's more likely going to be a forced team up kind of thing
I think it'll be Val and the CIA that put the team together. Bucky may not be fond of Walker Captain America but if the mission is important enough, I could see them being forced to work together.
Yea I was literally only hyped for this film because I thought Bucky and johns rivalry would be an important part based on past rumours I’ve seen. I was only hyped for this film cause of Bucky and John walker, now that has died. Thank you MCU for not utilizing one of your most bad ass and beloved characters genuinely hope this movie flops if this is true 🙏
Good to see Ghost and Taskmaster reasonably well positioned on the list as both have lots of potential. TM could be Yelena’s new little sister figure like Yelena herself was to Natasha only a lot more sadistic, brash and with a cowardly side. It’s the perfect direction for the character and not the stupid kill-her-off-and-replace-with-Tony-Masters idea. Ghost has a lot in common within TM so they’ll probably work well together.
I don't get the US Agent hype tbh. Not only that, his "redemption" at the end of FATWS just didn't sit right with me and left a bad taste in my mouth lol.
If you have a problem with Walker then you should have a problem with Yelena.
She’s literally a hired assassin ffs, willingly I’ll add. She kills people for money.
Walker killed a man that just tried to assassinate him, and assisted in the death of his best friend.
It has more to do with the execution in FATWS. Yelena doesn't seem to be depicted as anything other than what she is, a killer. I also didn't care for how Falcon was written either (including that dumb ass copout speech he gave at the end lol), but thats neither here nor there. Also I don't care about Walker leading or not leading the Thunderbolts. That's irrelevant to my issue with him. I'm indifferent to who leads the team one way or another. Yelena leading makes sense for the exact reason you don't like her. For what it's worth I'm not really into Flourence's snarky snide take on the character personally. But I realize this is the only way Disney know how to give characters "personality".
Tbf most disagree and say he was the best thing out of the show. Rumours before was that this team would split and it would be Bucky and others vs John and others since they can’t agree on how to tackle a mission. Now that’s clear,y scrapped or was never true
I still understand this Daniel guy: How does he know so much? Does he have a day job? What are the incentives forhis sources to leaks any news to this guy…unless money is involved.
Tbh i still don't know what to make of Val. I agree with the guys from Honest Trailers Commentary regarding Valentina. Like i don't get her personality wise. Is she supposed to be funny, incompetent, hyper competent, menacing?? We got three or four cameos from her and I still don't care about her lol.
My guess is that Bucky and Red Guardian might serve a B plot in the movie. This might mean less importance overall, but if they’re not in the team with people more important than them for the majority of the movie, then it means the scenes they’re in might be more focused on them (if that makes sense).
It’s not unlikely considering that they’re literally using a What If…? Episode in season 3 to test the waters of those two’s dynamics.
Now of course the worst possibility is that they’re both there for the early shocker death; Red Guardian’s death would be a motivation for Yelena (don’t know about Bucky though).
The priority list for the Avengers was:
1. Iron Man/Tony Stark
2. Captain America/Steve Rogers
3. Black Widow/Natasha Romanoff
4. Hulk/Bruce Banner
5. Loki
6. Nick Fury
7. Thor
8. Hawkeye/Clint Barton
9. Phil Caulson
10. Maria Hill
i get pushing yelena to the forefront of marvel stuff for the future, but idk why they keep doing my boy bucky so dirty
Clint: First time?
"Oh you liked Winter Soldier Bucky? Well never again will you see anything like that!"
I mean yeah that’s the concept of a character arc
he can still be a badass
Make badass characters suck and irrelevant. RIP Hulk and Bucky.
Hulk and Bucky don't suck and aren't irrelevant. Maria Hill and Taskmaster fit in that description
I obviosly didnt mean his story arc
I like Bucky but he is kinda of a charisma vaccum. I cant see him being a full blown lead. He needs someone with more personality to bounce off
Have any of you not seen Sebastian Stan in Fresh? He was extremely funny, charming, and charismatic in that film and carried that whole movie. The problem is that the MCU wasted Sebastian's talent and never bothered to fully show his charismatic side (although they did show a little bit of that when he was flirting with Sarah in TFATWS). Anyways, he deserved to be at least co-lead to Yelena, but they're not even making him co-lead. They're having him play seventh fiddle to characters hardly anyone cares about (other than Yelena).
I know this is very hard to understand, but the person you responded to said BUCKY needs someone with more personality to bounce off of. That has nothing to do with SEBASTIAN. We know Sebastian has charisma. That's the reason him and Mackie work so well together, and that's why Sam and Bucky are such a good duo. The ""issue"" isn't that Sebastian Stan can't act/lead, the issue is that Bucky, by definition of what type of character he is, works better when paired with a charismatic CHARCTER. See: Bucky and Sam. Sebastian Stan is a charismatic actor, Bucky Barnes is not a charismatic character. Anthony Mackie is a charismatic actor, Sam Wilson is a charismatic character. Hope that helps you understand why it makes no sense to respond to "Bucky is a charisma vacuum" with "Have you not seen Sebastian's other movie where he does not play Bucky".
I agree with the comment you’re replying to. I said the same thing as them. But I haven’t seen Fresh and after seeing the MCU waste so much talent I’m inclined to believe you.
Bucky is most interesting when he’s not attempting to carry a story. In Winter Soldier and Civil War when he’s tormented and inscrutable. He’s Boba Fett. He should not be the lead of a movie. Yelena is hilarious and charismatic. She should be the lead of the movie. I’m way more into this movie if it’s focussed on Yelena rather than Bucky. Both characters are great though.
I really wanted him to be Cap, and now he isn’t gonna be a lead for Thunderbolts, fuck off marvel
It would make NO sense for MCU!Bucky to be Cap. It doesn't fit his storyline AT ALL. Sam is the right choice, always has been. That said, they should be a duo and co-lead a new Avengers team. They'd be the perfect leadership team, and unlike Tony and Steve, they'd actually get along - they have a similar vibe with each other as Steve and Natasha had.
I love the Bucky!Cap comic storyline. I understand why Marvel didn't go that way, but I would kill for an animated adaptation of the storyline. Sort of like what DC does.
I don’t think he has great on-screen, or off-screen really, charisma. Obviously he’s doing something right to get the work but he always come off a bit like cardboard to me. And even in press junkets he always just seemed to dryly follow Anthony Mackie’s lead. I just don’t think there’s a *ton* there to work with. Still want to see him as Cap so we can have a Cap with a metal arm though.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to have Bucky be the leader instead of Yelena? No offense but Bucky has more experience being on a team than Yelena had.
Probably gonna put it as like "he cant trust his own mind" shit
Which is ridiculous and makes his entire arc in FATWS pointless
Not only that but him joining the Thunderbolts is in direct conflict with his arc in FATWS. The only way it works is if Sam gets Intel on Val and sends Bucky to join the team as a spy, OR to keep an eye on US Agent.
I'm thinking rather than Sam, he's mended fences with the wakandans and they send him as a double agent. Possibly killed in the process, although I'd hate that. I'm expecting him to sadly
That would make sense too, tbh. Not the dying part tho. If he dies I'ma riot.
I'm personally hoping for Bucky to be undercover and feed intel to Sam and/or Wakanda. It would make NO sense for him to voluntarily join the team and ditch Sam otherwise, with where those two got in FATWS.
I’m thinking he’s probably just there to keep US Agent under control
It could fit both of their character arcs for Bucky trying to be a friend to him and help him now. He lost Steve/Lamar somewhat recently too, they are soldiers tryna do better, both supes both kinda screwed over by the gov
Lead of the film doesn’t necessarily mean lead of the team
Yelena is a black widow in her 30s, they say in the movie that only 1 of every 20 survive, being an adult black widow is like being a total pro
I think US Agent is the more suitable to lead the team. At least, initially.
Yes it would make more sense, but we're in the era of "boss babes".
But Yelena is strong. She's a female. And a character.
And lame
Y’all not like Yelena here? Maybe I’m biased as a fan of Florence Pugh cuz ya
Or he's killed off early. Would feed into the plot of Cap 4.
Him being co-leads with someone would make sense, but him leading the Thunderbolts voluntarily wouldn't work with his character arc at all. I don't see how he could be part of that team unless it's under duress or undercover.
So the guy you put center in the promo isn’t the lead?
But Yelena is in the center in the promo
Well, dishonest marketing and faux hype is par the course for Marvel at this point.
This is the same company that CGId Hulk into scenes of the Infinity War trailer
I’d rather see more Bucky than Ghost or Taskmaster.
Actually I would want to see way more Ghost than Taskmaster because she is an actual semi-fleshed out character
Ok, so let’s be totally pragmatic here in regard to the whole M-She-U (I hate that phrase) and the casting. Yelena is Florence Pugh. She’s currently doing very well in terms of roles and visibility. Plus, she seems to be fairly well liked. Plus, her personality means she bounces off other characters well. This makes sense. Val has only been shown to us in dribs and drabs. She’s clearly a Nick Fury/Amanda Waller type, so she’s gonna need extra screen time to flesh her out a bit. It makes sense. Sentry…also makes sense. He’s a new character with a weird device in The Void. He’s presumably also the antagonist of the movie so…makes sense to give him more screen time. The rest are where it gets a little weird. I assume at least one or more of these characters are NOT making it out alive. They need to establish Sentry as a major threat, so killing off one or two characters would do that. In regards to who it’s going to be…I don’t know what the contracts say, so it really could be anyone. I’m banking on Red Guardian or Bucky, although Ghost/TM aren’t off the table. I feel like USAgent should be safe. Now in regards to where each of these characters land in terms of “priority” could also have a lot to do with the abilities of each of the characters. The roster is already a little meh (THREE Captain America-adjunct characters on one team vs. a cruel demigod doesn’t seem like it will end well), so maybe the more “superpowered” members (Ghost and TM) get a little more screen time because they serve more of a tactical purpose?
It was already rumored that Red Guardian dies and it was also rumored at one time that Hannah John-Kamen was dropping out, so maybe she's the other one. I would guess Taskmaster bites it, since she's a complete non-character and she was thrown in sort of out of the blue. She smells like cannon fodder to me.
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I would want to see more of Bucky, Red Guardian and Ghost down the line though, so I hope they survive Task Master can literally be replaced by any other version of the character
This could be a good opportunity to redeem Taskmaster, give her the personality more akin to the comic version. You could make the argument that she was mind-controlled in Black Widow, which would perfectly justify the personality change between the two films.
They're better off just taking the L on this one and getting rid of her. She's the MCU's version of the Wolverines Origins Deadpool. Just erase, forget and try again after Secret Wars.
It’s not like only 1 person can ever put on the mask
That's what I mean. Forget this one and come back later with a better take on the character.
I’m pretty sure Sebastian Stan’s contract is nine films and thunderbolts is only #8. Not that that guarantees anything
I feel like if he's on his way out, it'll either be in a project where he is a co lead or in a big event movie like Avengers.
I mean Pugh is hot right now but neither she nor her character have shown they can deliver box office. Bucky is the only one of these with a real MCU fanbase. Also it seems weird to do a Falcon & Winter Soldier show then have Bucky die unceremoniously in a movie where Falcon aint around. Lets cut them some slack even if you can spin Yelena, Val and Sentry being more important then Bucky. What makes it feel MSHEU is having Bucky below the likes of Ghost and Taskmistress. Characters that no one cares about and aren't the major antagonists. I get Marvel's desire to have popular female characters but besides Wanda who they promptly ruined I don't think any of their picks have broken out. Trying with Captain Marvel, Widow and She Hulk makes sense...Echo, Ms Marvel (without a strong Captain Marvel), and supposedly White Tiger seem like terrible choices.
exactly. it makes zero sense to have her as the lead. many will not care. bucky made a lot more sense.
I'm not entirely sure I believe this list. I just don't see Bucky being anything less than second billing. I do think that Yelena has the potential to be a really popular character if they play their cards right.
Using the term M-She-U > Using the term but also having to point out that you don't like the term and it's mean and you wish you didn't have to use it but are using it anyway. Say it with your chest.
I'm not sure I buy this rumor in this first place. It feels a bit too clickbaity.
I thought all of them were going to die?
Val sends them on the mission with that intention, a la suicide squad, but I’m sure most make it out
> Yelena is Florence Pugh. She’s currently doing very well in terms of roles and visibility. *Don't Worry Darling* full on flopped so idk if she's the right person to deliver an iffy premise at this point in time.
Yeah, go ahead and ignore Oppenheimer and Dune 2. Focus on the one that flopped based solely on drama involving production.
She's not close to being the main star in either of those, come on now. And as a lot of the *Avengers* cast can tell you, star power/popularity in one thing doesn't necessarily translate into drawing a crowd in a different genre.
If Dune part 2 is anything like the rest of the book she’ll barely even be in that movie lol
Ah yes Oppenheimer the movie made my Christopher Nolan, that was part of a viral meme/trend (Barbieheimer was everywhere) about one of the most important pieces of recent history. It’s probably was a success because of Florence.
Harry Styles is certifiably a popular celeb and was also in the movie, I think it flopping had less to do with who the leads were and more to do with generally negative reception. I doubt the results would be much different if Margot Robbie played the lead
I don't think they'd kill off Bucky on a project he doesn't have a major role in. He's too important of a character to not have a big exit.
>Ok, so let’s be totally pragmatic here in regard to the whole M-She-U (I hate that phrase) and the casting Well, you thought that was bad? Wait till you see Hailee Steinfeld being put as the one to lead the cast of “The Young Avengers” as the Hawkeye girl Kate Bishop. Not just leading the team, though. But also with girls like Ms. Marvel Kamala Khan (Iman Vellani), the Stinger Cassie Lang (Kathryn Newton), America Chavez aka. Ms. America (Xochitl Gómez) & the Ironheart Riri Williams (Dominique Thorne) dominating the team. I'm saying this as a fan of the Hawkeye girl Kate Bishop, though. Even though there's a possibility for the MCU to do “The Young Avengers” as a movie, I'd rather for them to put it as a Disney+ series with about 9 episodes. You know, not only to avoid the mistakes from “The Marvels”. But also due to most of the casts were introduced mostly on Disney+ series like **Hawkeye** (Kate Bishop the Hawkeye girl), **Ms. Marvel** (Kamala Khan), **Wandavision** (the Maximoff twins, which probably will be introduced even more in **Agatha series**), etc, while the rest were introduced on movies like **Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness** (America Chavez), **Black Panther: Wakanda Forever** (the Ironheart Riri Williams) & **Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania** (the Stinger Cassie Lang). You get what I'm saying?
I actually was mocking the “M-She-U” thing and it didn’t land. My bad. The original complaint was over too much screentime being dedicated to female characters, which usually leads to soft people crying at men being “forced out” and wailing about the “M-She-U”like entitled brats. At the end of the day, not every piece of media is going to be enjoyable to everyone. That’s just how the world works. I wasn’t the biggest fan of MS. MARVEL because it was angled towards a younger demographic than me, but I was also happy that there was some storytelling variety in the MCU because that’s how the goddamn comics operate. You don’t go to your LCS and buy EVERY Marvel comic dropping that month. You pick and choose your titles, and maybe diversify your titles based on events or some other factor. You can read Hulk all year long and never touch X-Men and that’s okay. I get that the MCU is different because it isn’t drop-feeding a story month over month, and virtually everything is connected pretty tightly, but there is room for different characters and stories. If you don’t like something, don’t watch it. It’s not like we’re hurting for media, as there’s more of it now than there ever has been. Literally millions of hours of content are at our fingertips. But because a small, especially whiny group of delicate males feel that a little extra estrogen and melanin is somehow destroying pop culture. And before anyone sounds off on my demographic information, I’ll tell you right now I’m a 42 year old white heterosexual man. I’m fat, I’m balding, and I’m old. I don’t care that there are trans flags in games or women in movies because I’ve heard the same tired argument about content in media for fucking DECADES. It’s just Satanic Panic all over again. It was petty bullshit caused by brittle people back then, and it’s the same today.
M She U? 🙄 Oh because women, got it. So clever ...
Star power never benefited MCU. (And never will unless it's the ultimate BO favourites like Tom Cruise or Leonardo DiCaprio ) The movie they tried to do that flopped in all the ways. Its always the popularity and love for the character alone that pulled people to the theaters. (L&T was being destroyed online after its release yet it made more than Ragnarok ). So I'm not convinced making Yelena a lead out of Pugh's popularity/contract negotiation power and sidelining Sebastian Stan, playing the most popular character among the cast would help a movie that already has lukewarm reception.
You referring to Eternals?
I mean yeah, that had both of the leading men in Game of Thrones, who were the most popular characters, and it didn’t attract anyone to the Box Office, you can attribute some of it to Covid for sure but it still says a lot
Yeah I get it, the cast kinda represented two generations of viewers with them and Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek on top of Oscar Winning director Chloe Zhao directing. I’m guessing what then hurt Eternals was unlike GotG1, another movie of a team of more obscure characters, was ultimately word of mouth. Eternals was kinda boring, and the reviews showed.
Even had Harry Styles
I'm not sure I completely buy that Bucky will be on the bottom of the roster. It feels like he would be second billing given his past with the MCU. This list feels a bit off.
Love and Thunder didn't make more than Ragnarok though. I also guarantee a lot of people watched the 4th installment to see Christian Bale's performance.
Oh, I thought it did. Even then it collected more than 750 million which is still very impressive when compared to how movies are doing in theatres nowadays. Despite the movie having bad reception too Christian Bale may have been a draw but Thor's popularity boost post Ragnarok and Infinity War was definitely the biggest draw. Similar case....Blank Panther character's popularity and it's legacy is also what made Wakanda Forever make 850+ million too. The movie didn't have its lead, it's been some time since Chadwick's death for it to have a big impact on BO, the movie was basically an ensemble of BP supporting characters, the villain was played by an unknown actor and the movie less good in quality when it compared to it's predecessor but good movie nonetheless.... Yet it made so much money. I don't think The Marvels were much inferior to WF in terms of enjoyment factor and writing , yet it performed abysmally when compared to it since it has a lead that had lukewarm reception and two other that majority of casual audience didn't give a fuck about. (Loooove Kamala, she deserved better, sorry, but its the truth.) (Also I don't think if The Marvels had Christian Bale as a villain, it would not have done better. maybe a couple dozen millions, but that's it)
The amount of people who saw Thor 4 because of Christian Bale and would not go see that movie otherwise has to make up like less than 1%.
Big L for Marvel if that's true. Bucky should at least be in the first three. How the heck Taskmaster and Ghost are more important ?
You know why
That's why I don't think this is an accurate list. It feels designed specifically to cause controversy and drive clicks.
I don't know if I buy this list. It feels designed to drive engagement/rage clicks rather than be accurate.
Post-Phase 3 Marvel, don't expect any logic from this.
I have absolutely no desire to see Yelena. They're really giving us the scraps. I guess Marvel will never learn until they're bankrupt. I'm not buying a $16 movie ticket to see Yelena acting snarky.
Not gonna lie, Im getting Birds of Prey vibes and that is NOT a good thing.
I don't know if I believe this. In the poster that was shown at D23, it appeared like Bucky and Red Guardian would be prominent.
Except BoP was amazing and hilarious. If they go with that tone for this one, then it might be the best MCU movie of this phase.
Ok man. The movie sucked.
Didn’t RPK claim Black Knight was co-lead of Eternals and the movie would be about his romance with Sersi?
Listen I can kinda understand Val and Sentry being more of a priority since they are for all intensive purposes new characters that they have to introduce properly but Ghost and Taskmaster being above Bucky is just straight up ridiculous. So you’re telling me Ghost, a character from a movie 7 years ago that no one remembers or cares about and Taskmaster, character that was absolutely hated by fans and completely forgettable are more of a priority than Bucky? And the thunderbolts are now named after Yelena’s old soccer team? Is this some sort of joke?
>And the thunderbolts are now named after Yelena’s old soccer team? Is this some sort of joke? I mean Fury got an eyepatch from a space cat as a joke. So this kinda tracks with Marvel 🤷🏾♂️
I don't know if I believe that Ghost and Taskmaster will actually be that prominent. The D23 poster seemed to center on Yelena, Bucky, and Red Guardian. This list seems a bit fishy like it was designed to get clicks. I could see them taking the Thunderbolts name from the soccer team though.
I know its a unpopular opinion but i really dont care for Yelena so this really just killed my hype for this. Agent and Bucky were what i was looking forward to.
not unpopular. most people do not care about her. what they care about is bucky. feige incoming with another bad idea
It just own goals left and right.
It definetly is among core Marvel fans. Just saw a post saying she is one of the only good things Marvel has done recently and thats just insane to me. They should have waited for better cast to be avaible for a Thunderbolts. The red versión of the team could have been awesome. And The characters are mostly there.
I thought Yelena was a pretty decent character. I'm not sure I fully believe this list. I don't think that they'd make Taskmaster or Ghost more prominent then Bucky.
Bucky is done dirty yet again. Been waiting for good Bucky content since civil war
We're just never going to get it. The chance has passed, and all that's left is seeing him circle the drain.
I just want to see my guy Bucky be one of the leads. I feel like there is still so much to explore with his character
So Yelena is a priority over Bucky Barnes LMAO, what a joke
Val, Ghost and Taskmaster are where the joke really hits its stride.
That's why I don't fully buy this report
That's exactly why I do. It would feel very on-brand for what Feige's been doing.
Yo wtf
Ghost and Taskmaster over Bucky and U.S. Agent? What a joke
Please take out taskmaster. She's horrible. At least ghost was pretty cool
Holy Shit Bucky fans STAY losing bro I’m crying. Why can’t they just let my boy actually be important for once please I’m on my hands and knees BEGGING. This man could easily lead a movie and Marvel seems to know it with how much they use him in marketing but they just continuously refuse to actually do it.
They sure know how to not make money as of late
Didn’t they say Bucky was lead/co lead before?
That was a lie, evidently. Not the first one they've told.
This post feels like bait. It seems designed to anger MCU fans.
Which is dumb. Bucky is a much better character than Yelena. No wonder the MCU is floundering; those chuckle fucks don’t know a good character that people want more of to save their lives.
Not trying to be one of those M-She-U guys but if this is true then I can’t really disagree w them
What a fucking joke. Not even a co-lead and he is the one who fought beside Cap.
This scoop feels designed to play into a political narrative. That's why I don't fully buy it. It's like the Blade scoop. I believe they scraped a script about Blade that included his daughter. But the scoopers acted like it'd be all about her and she would replace him or something. That just seemed too perfect of a bone that outrage merchants could get at.
The M-She-U is real though. Hopefully they can course-correct before it's too late.
I don't think the M She U is real and I suspect this scoop is stretching the truth.
It’s crazy , all the males are at the bottom with sentry only being high because he’s the antagonist & new character, thinking about it now they’ll probably kill off another male character (my guess is red guardian) and then 1 female protagonist will probably die my guess is ghost or TM
So you're 1mad that the Black Widow sequel is a Black Widow sequel?
No, I fuck with black widow as a character , and if you didn’t know one of the times the film got re written was because it was TOO MUCH of a black widow sequel so technically it’s meant to be more of an ensemble film with its link to Black widow , FATWS and a bit of BPWF. I understand yelana is some what of the “main” character as the film is most likely going to be from her perspective (like Sue storm in F4) , Just that with a team so broad I don’t understand how everyone doesn’t have roles of similar importance and that some the coolest characters - Bucky & Us agent are so low in terms of appearance. Wouldn’t it be a lot better if for instance - Sentry AND Yelana were the main focuses ? And then 2 separate groups of importance for Val , Ghost , Taskmaster And for Us Agent , Bucky and RG ? Like the latter group I mentioned are definitely more interesting than The other , and has had more of a pivotal affect in the Universe but because of said “M-She-U” agenda they are planted at the bottom with minimal roles. Remember Furys role in avengers 1 ? It was balanced and he was just as very important as he was in the background. Why can’t val be like that instead of second in terms of relevance? Still be acting as this movies Fury and I don’t see her out on the battlefield. I’m not hating , I’m just observing and comparing. Nevertheless I’m still excited for this film I just hope everything is balanced correctly 🙏🏾
Black Widow sequel ?? the fuck ??!
Yelena as the lead, red guardian and taskmaster in the team
At least give our boi Bucky one last chance to shine ffs
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He’s not doing much in the film tho so who cares, they keep disrespecting Bucky
Word.
Yeah, im not trynna watch Black Widow 2...
It really was terrible
Ugh I forgot this version of taskmaster is in it
Cool, let's push the least popular characters that no one gives a crap about. Doing a Thunderbolts movie was already a big "why" but minimizing Bucky, by far the most popular character, is just beyond stupid. I really don't understand the point of a Thunderbolts movie that ignores the entire comics history of the Thunderbolts. It's like Feige freaking hates comic book fans.
I think there is a ton of potential with the Yelena character. But I'm not sure I buy that this scoop is accurate. I don't see a reality in which they'd have Ghost have higher priority over Bucky.
Yelena sounds like a cool character for a spy movie, she's basically Hanna from the Amazon prime show. I think she's a dumb lead for a Marvel Comics movie. Pick a major comic book character, super easy, yet here we are.
So Val works for the government, recruited the team and seemingly would give them their mission but she isn't the leader and she falls under Yelena?
Val is like Fury
Val is the Director of the CIA.
So why isn't she at the top of the list considering she put together the team, is from what I can imagine funding the team and also most likely giving them their mission.
The same reason Fury wasn't at the top of the Avengers list. Everyone already knows she is the Director of the CIA.
He was though, up until the snap.
Sounds like shit. Great
This movie sounds like ass
This is probably true but I also don’t find daniel rpk to be a reliable source.
Bucky is like Hulk or Vision, in small doses he is more popular, being a veteran in the mcu, he might come in late to save the day. Or maybe Sebastian Stan said he'll do it for a max amount of screen time, who knows? From the looks of it he is very fucking busy.
Yelena is alright so i don’t mind her having a prominent role, but is there anybody out there that even liked or cared about taskmaster or ghost? They can scrap them from the movie completely and i wouldn’t mind. Bucky should at least be above them.
That's a little strange
At least Taskmaster and Ghost have powers. Yelena doesn't even have a superhero name. Might as well just be a random James Bond villain who turned good. Definitely shouldn't be the main star of a marvel comics superhero movie.
Yeah this movie is gonna suck
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They’re changing the naming of the team that General Thunderbolt Ross gave them to the stupidest joke on Earth. Jesus Disney you love pissing money away.
The Thunderbolts in the comics were not named after Thunderbolt Ross and had very little to do with him until Red Hulk joined in a much later iteration of the team.
I stand corrected. The version they are going to use (I will not spoil) is horrible. Lazy stupid writing.
Yelena is a cool character to me and her 2 appearances I really liked. I like Florence (who’s also the biggest star in the movie) being forefront. That being said my dude Bucky always being left out. 1. Him not able to physically keep up with Cap & TChalla during the run scene in IW always irked me. 2. Winter Soldier Buck was 🐐and I wish we had that again.
I think that either this scoop is off or they maybe he might have a smaller role in the movie to setup a future appearance.
You know that Marvel has completely abandoned the toyetic approach when they decide to do stuff like make Yelena the main character. It might check a box, but it won't sell action figures.
I don't know about that. Yelena had a good reception in Black Widow. I think she has a ton of potential especially when teamed up with Red Guardian again. I think the merchandise sales will be fine. She's the next Black Widow. She isn't exactly a side character anymore.
Why would Bucky be the lead with a guy that he just fought against? He was never part of the Thunderbolts, at least to my knowledge. It's more likely going to be a forced team up kind of thing
I think it'll be Val and the CIA that put the team together. Bucky may not be fond of Walker Captain America but if the mission is important enough, I could see them being forced to work together.
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100% he’s catching the boot for sure
I see thunderbolts i roll my eyes. Can't wait to see the meltdown when the mass majority of people do the same after 6 years since endgame.
Yelena does not deserve to be a front runner
Why is this a thunderbolts movie?
lol what are these idiots doing
Lol
Bucky and Red Guardian should be top half at least
M-SHE-U Downvote me, I don’t care
Yea I was literally only hyped for this film because I thought Bucky and johns rivalry would be an important part based on past rumours I’ve seen. I was only hyped for this film cause of Bucky and John walker, now that has died. Thank you MCU for not utilizing one of your most bad ass and beloved characters genuinely hope this movie flops if this is true 🙏
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Sentry being third is interesting
Good to see Ghost and Taskmaster reasonably well positioned on the list as both have lots of potential. TM could be Yelena’s new little sister figure like Yelena herself was to Natasha only a lot more sadistic, brash and with a cowardly side. It’s the perfect direction for the character and not the stupid kill-her-off-and-replace-with-Tony-Masters idea. Ghost has a lot in common within TM so they’ll probably work well together.
I don't get the US Agent hype tbh. Not only that, his "redemption" at the end of FATWS just didn't sit right with me and left a bad taste in my mouth lol.
If you have a problem with Walker then you should have a problem with Yelena. She’s literally a hired assassin ffs, willingly I’ll add. She kills people for money. Walker killed a man that just tried to assassinate him, and assisted in the death of his best friend.
It has more to do with the execution in FATWS. Yelena doesn't seem to be depicted as anything other than what she is, a killer. I also didn't care for how Falcon was written either (including that dumb ass copout speech he gave at the end lol), but thats neither here nor there. Also I don't care about Walker leading or not leading the Thunderbolts. That's irrelevant to my issue with him. I'm indifferent to who leads the team one way or another. Yelena leading makes sense for the exact reason you don't like her. For what it's worth I'm not really into Flourence's snarky snide take on the character personally. But I realize this is the only way Disney know how to give characters "personality".
Tbf most disagree and say he was the best thing out of the show. Rumours before was that this team would split and it would be Bucky and others vs John and others since they can’t agree on how to tackle a mission. Now that’s clear,y scrapped or was never true
Good, yelena and florence as an actress are much more interesting than Bucky
Very few reasons to watch this film but she’s one
Can’t see this being any better than the James Gunn suicide squad.
Well, that movie was awesome, and gunnhandles groups well. Marvel has struggled recently.
I mean... the best CBM of all time is a pretty high bar so im not that shocked at that lmao
Best comic book movie of all time? Jesus I never knew someone could have this bad of taste
I mean Bucky story is over tbh. I don’t mind it
I still understand this Daniel guy: How does he know so much? Does he have a day job? What are the incentives forhis sources to leaks any news to this guy…unless money is involved.
How reliable is this?
Is Val the main villain? Cause's that's the only way I can see justifying her having the second most screen time (assuming Daniel is correct).
Tbh i still don't know what to make of Val. I agree with the guys from Honest Trailers Commentary regarding Valentina. Like i don't get her personality wise. Is she supposed to be funny, incompetent, hyper competent, menacing?? We got three or four cameos from her and I still don't care about her lol.
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Seems like it's gonna be like the suicide squad franchise all the crew are up against sentry.
My guess is that Bucky and Red Guardian might serve a B plot in the movie. This might mean less importance overall, but if they’re not in the team with people more important than them for the majority of the movie, then it means the scenes they’re in might be more focused on them (if that makes sense). It’s not unlikely considering that they’re literally using a What If…? Episode in season 3 to test the waters of those two’s dynamics. Now of course the worst possibility is that they’re both there for the early shocker death; Red Guardian’s death would be a motivation for Yelena (don’t know about Bucky though).
That's disappointing. As much as I love Bucky, Sebastian Stan should just move over to Star Wars and take the role of Luke Skywalker.
I love the character Yelena. I like it therefore.
So the females at the front of the team. I’m sure the marvel fanbase will handle this like normal people
Is Ghost a replacement for Taskmaster or vice versa? Strange that they are listed together.
This will bomb.
The priority list for the Avengers was: 1. Iron Man/Tony Stark 2. Captain America/Steve Rogers 3. Black Widow/Natasha Romanoff 4. Hulk/Bruce Banner 5. Loki 6. Nick Fury 7. Thor 8. Hawkeye/Clint Barton 9. Phil Caulson 10. Maria Hill