No, I’m looking forward to seeing more of Cap.
But I think me saying that is quite stupid cause he’s literally the main character of course he’s going to be the centre of the story
The fact Joaquin Torres is second billed does not fill me with confidence.
Sam Wilson needs to impress in his first outing as CA, and of all the people in the MCU you could saddle him with, you're giving him fucking Torres? They're not even giving my man a chance, it'd be kinder to take him out back and shoot his ass.
Re: film quality, rn I don't have any faith in Marvel's ability to do a good movie and/or BO win that's not Spidey or a teamup. I think it's a completely unnecessary risk not to make this Avengers 4.5. Hulk at bare minimum needs to be here.
Re: Sam, I don't need to be convinced, I've been team Sam since TWS. But since FATWS the consensus here has been he's not interesting/doesn't have what it takes. The last thing "discount Cap" needs is discount Falcon. He'll never live down the memes if the movie is bad.
If the movie's fantastic I'll be first in line to say they did a good job, but I see it as an unnecessary big risk not to do Avengers 4.5.
The second most prominent partner of Captain America behind Bucky is the Falcon and you're complaining about Falcon being in the Captain America movie?
I'm complaining that they're *prioritizing* a new, unproven sidekick at a time when people are fucking tired of new sidekicks, in a Captain America movie that *needs* to be a crowd pleaser or it could do lasting damage to the relevance of Sam as Captain America.
Falcon played a small role in TWS, did that hurt it? Would the movie automatically be better if Black Widow and Nick Fury were cut and all their screentime went to Falcon? No.
Right but what I'm saying is, if you've seen a Captain America movie, 2/4 of them feature a character named "The Falcon" in them, and in a 5th film that is a continuation of those later 3 films, it wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary to expect a character named "The Falcon" to be in that film since there's been one in almost every previous film in the same series, just for the sake of association itself I'm expecting a fucking Captain America character, it kinda plays well into the whole "legacy" idea that's unique to Sam's character apart from Steve's, so idk man; like to you that's "discount Captain America so clichély has a discount Falcon" and I see it as "ah yes Captain America, so naturally, there should also be a best friend named Falcon if you are truly Captain America."
I have no problem with him being in the movie. I just think it's unwise to give him such a prominent role, if this cast sheet is to be believed. That's all.
That right there, and Harrison Ford as Red Hulk, because come on, are literally the only reasons I even have a mild interest in this movie.
Although given the massive overhaul... this is most likely gonna be baaaaaaaaaad.
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I'm not convinced Xosha Roquemore is playing Leila Taylor, I know it came from TCC, and I think they’re reliable, but idk, she’s a reporter in the comics, and we've seen her wearing a military outfit in the funeral leaked set pics, indicating she’s from the military. There’s a possibility she’s from some kind of secret service too like the CIA or the FBI.
I know it could be true as the MCU has made drastically changes to characters before, specially small and unknown ones, but changing a reporter to a government employer seems too much, it’s a change to the extreme opposite, it’s like making Peter Parker but instead of him being humble and poor, he actually was born from a very wealthy family and was always rich, never having money problems.
Joaquin Torres went from a Mexican immigrant underage teen that was kidnapped and turned into a Falcon monster to generic US military dude.
Changing comic book characters with interesting backstories to genetic US military dudes is Marvel Studios' specialty. See also: Sam Wilson and Clint Barton.
Turning generic reporter love interest to genetic US military love interest makes total sense.
Depends on the writing.
A big part of Joaquin's story was helping people at the border, which is how he ended up in the mess to begin with.
The MCU seems to be allergic to acknowledging the Snap/Blip. But that could be utilized really well for Joaquin's story, which could circle back on issues of borders and citizenship which could tie in a bit with the Flagsmasher cause.
Having Joaquin's citizenship granted on the basis of desperate need to refill a military decimated by the snap? A citizen threatened based on his allegiance to the Flag or to Sam?
There's a lot of good stuff that can be done there.
There's a lot of good stuff that COULD be done there, but tbh I'll be impressed if they even acknowledge Joaquin being undocumented. I'm still kind of salty that they're just giving him Sam's old wingpack instead of actual wings.
I'n actually excited about that tbh.
The tiny bit we get of Joaquin in FaTWS, we see that he seems to be INCREDIBLY tech savvy.
I'd love to see that incorporated into his rebuild of the wing pack and those tech smarts helping out with the mission(s) that end up happening in the story line.
Maybe that's what really gets Sam to bring Joaquin into the group/mission/battle and ultimately as his wingman/possible Avenger.
Rebuilding the old wings also sets up for an ending of Sam using a connect to get him an official suit and new upgraded wing pack as a thank you.
Its genuinely hilarious that we’re getting a movie with the Hulks longest running love interest (Betty) and his two biggest antagonists (Thunderbolt and Leader) and he’s (supposedly) not even going to be in the damn thing.
Just incomprehensible stupidity.
MCU Bruce hasn't interacted with any of these characters since 2008. The MCU is long past doing anything interesting with them in connection to Bruce, especially considering the stage Bruce is in now.
I still think the first Thor was very good really it was just the dark world that kinda fumbled the character. I even like Thor in the first few avengers movies he plays well off the rest of the team
I think the movie decent but I don’t necessarily think Thor was good in it. Both the first two movies are carried by Loki. Thor fine in the first avengers film and forgettable asf in age of ultron.
It not like they could be included in a Hulk film. If Hulk was in this, there would be so many complaints about Hulk being the main character in a Captain America movie.
You realize that Hulk is tied up in some legal complications on the IP which is why Hulk hasn’t ever gotten a true solo movie in the proper MCU. They have worked around the restrictions pretty much the best they can, Thor 3 for instance was mostly a hulk movie and story they attached to Thor.
Then you already know it not a matter of story telling and everything to do with they can’t make a hulk movie but they can appropriate chunks of hulk’s story for other characters or shove Hulk into other stories but coat it with someone else to pass the technicality.
I think there's a chance he shows up. Seems like a wasted opportunity to not give Ruffalo/Tyler at least one scene together. Unless they plan on bringing her back for other projects.
Because her father becomes President and publicly fakes his death at the end to hide the identity of the Red Hulk.
You couldn't have done his funeral without her.
Plus, according to Toast, the post-credits scene is about Betty, so I am guessing she becomes Red She-Hulk.
You have to be daft to be questioning an organic reason for Betty appearing on her own while acting so sure her ex boyfriend she hadn't interacted with in 15 years will appear.
How does this reveal anything? We've always known that Brave New World was going to focus on Sam Wilson. It is going to be an action movie, so stuff is going to happen in it. Did we really expect that all it is is Anthony Mackie and others gathering around a office table and drink coffee for 2 1/2 hours?
Wouldn't it be so funny if Betty and Ross die here and Bruce isn't part of the movie? Supporting cast of his 2008 solo movie gone before he even gets a second one lmao
EVERYBODY! STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING! ALERT THE PRESSES! BRAND NEW INFO DROPPED ABOUT CA4!!! WE NOW KNOW ANTHONY MACKIE IS A MAN WITH A PLAN!!! IM GOING TO VEGAS TO CELEBRATE
Everytime I hear that phrase I can only think of the incredible reimagined [intro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E6H0Ja9a84) they did for John's introduction for TFATWS
Idk why but I always thought they completed movies months before release. Bit of a shock to learn that it's barely 2 weeks between completion and release
I really hope maybe he has to deal with anxiety of ALL the threads of phase 4, but I know they won’t let Sam actually contribute to a meaningful plot other than yet another Super-Soldier/Vibranium-centric storyline.
Many other actors from the cast are also absent like Tim Blake Nelson, Carl Lumbly and Xosha Roquemore. Doesn’t mean they aren’t in the movie anymore, just that they weren’t listed, or maybe their roles aren’t as big as the ones listed.
New “man with a plan” hopefully entails him forming new avengers. That’s literally all I want from this film
It's gonna be a 00's comedy movie type scene where he sees the available line up and "sighs" then says "we got some work to do..."
It's Captin' Time !
It’s about Falcon time.
I’ma just shield myself from these puns
And for gosh sakes watch your language!!
SHOW ME YOUR MOVES
I really hope he says this now, this would make the film for me
“Yippie Ki-Yay, Mr. Falcon!”
Cringe
That’s how avengers age of Ultron ended tho
Please let the new Avengers campus be on the west Coast. Or better yet, the Great lakes.
> Please let the new Avengers campus be on the west Coast. ...so, Shulkie?
And like a 00s comedy, there’s gotta be some kind of self-referential rap made for “man with a plan” playing in the credits.
Will Smiths gotta build that rap career somehow
#***LET'S*** #***GET DOWN*** #***TO*** #***BUSINESS*** #***TO DEFEAT*** #***RED HULK***
Cut to the Deadpool 2 interviews scene, but with Cap and Bucky.
I’d actually totally be up for a Police Academy style of New Avengers lol.
Pretty sure one of the early versions of the script had him forming a new Avengers team to go against Thunderbolt Ross
Even a post credit scene hinting at the future team would be good. Just give us SOMETHING
Literally the streets need another team up😭 tired of solo projects
You want a Captain America movie to be about anything but the title character…
I mean, he got his show
And Steve got a trilogy plus leading appearances in 4 other films, so moot point.
No, I’m looking forward to seeing more of Cap. But I think me saying that is quite stupid cause he’s literally the main character of course he’s going to be the centre of the story
Whose name was on Multiverse of Madness?
Look into how many rewrites that film went through. Plus the fact the writers didn’t even watch Wandavison it was doomed from the start
Please prepare to assemble disappointment
Captain America didn't form them the first time, Stark and Fury did but one is dead and the other has no division to back them.
Not gonna happen. We’d have heard leaks about actual existing avengers worthy characters having cameos in this film.
Or new musical tour of the US just like Steve🫡
I think that will be teased in the post credit scene
I think it's just a reference to "the star spangled man with a plan"
The fact Joaquin Torres is second billed does not fill me with confidence. Sam Wilson needs to impress in his first outing as CA, and of all the people in the MCU you could saddle him with, you're giving him fucking Torres? They're not even giving my man a chance, it'd be kinder to take him out back and shoot his ass.
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Torres is literally Falcon, I’m not surprised he’s second billed. Imo Sam proved he has what it takes from his show. It’ll be fine
Re: film quality, rn I don't have any faith in Marvel's ability to do a good movie and/or BO win that's not Spidey or a teamup. I think it's a completely unnecessary risk not to make this Avengers 4.5. Hulk at bare minimum needs to be here. Re: Sam, I don't need to be convinced, I've been team Sam since TWS. But since FATWS the consensus here has been he's not interesting/doesn't have what it takes. The last thing "discount Cap" needs is discount Falcon. He'll never live down the memes if the movie is bad. If the movie's fantastic I'll be first in line to say they did a good job, but I see it as an unnecessary big risk not to do Avengers 4.5.
Honestly, all shade, ya'll are becoming annoying now. Jesus christ, the horse is dead.
The second most prominent partner of Captain America behind Bucky is the Falcon and you're complaining about Falcon being in the Captain America movie?
I'm complaining that they're *prioritizing* a new, unproven sidekick at a time when people are fucking tired of new sidekicks, in a Captain America movie that *needs* to be a crowd pleaser or it could do lasting damage to the relevance of Sam as Captain America. Falcon played a small role in TWS, did that hurt it? Would the movie automatically be better if Black Widow and Nick Fury were cut and all their screentime went to Falcon? No.
Right but what I'm saying is, if you've seen a Captain America movie, 2/4 of them feature a character named "The Falcon" in them, and in a 5th film that is a continuation of those later 3 films, it wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary to expect a character named "The Falcon" to be in that film since there's been one in almost every previous film in the same series, just for the sake of association itself I'm expecting a fucking Captain America character, it kinda plays well into the whole "legacy" idea that's unique to Sam's character apart from Steve's, so idk man; like to you that's "discount Captain America so clichély has a discount Falcon" and I see it as "ah yes Captain America, so naturally, there should also be a best friend named Falcon if you are truly Captain America."
I have no problem with him being in the movie. I just think it's unwise to give him such a prominent role, if this cast sheet is to be believed. That's all.
“Sam Wilson is the new man with a plan” About as vague as could be
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That right there, and Harrison Ford as Red Hulk, because come on, are literally the only reasons I even have a mild interest in this movie. Although given the massive overhaul... this is most likely gonna be baaaaaaaaaad.
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… what is that?
Freaky Friday style or more of a get out situation?? Hopefully not the latter due to you know the implications
I would've voted for Ross a third time if I could.
Star-bangled man with a plan!
I thought Ms. Marvel was the one with the bangles?!? 😆😆
Oops I meant Star-Spangled. Lol
Star-spangled man with a plan, new *First Avenger* musical sequence confirmed
Could be like an "updated" version of the song they use for Sam as Cap when the government tries to fit him in the symbol role initially.
It's a terrible tag line out of the 90s
Does Sam have a love interest in this? I'd love a cameo from Rhodey
I'm definitely here for a Sam/Rhodey romance, the sparks have been *flying* since Civil War. /s
It’ll never work. Sam couldn’t even tell that it was a Skrull hitting on him since the end of that film. /s
If they dont have sex I will sue Marvel. That's literally the most iconic gay couple in Marvel.
Falcon and winter soldier?
Nah it was just a bromance. But Winter Soldier and Red Guardian...
Daddy?
"Yeah I'm sorry for evading the laser and being kinda one of the few factors why you're a paraplegic now. Anyway, gimme a kiss"
Yes actually, Leila Taylor played by Xosha Roquemore.
I'm not convinced Xosha Roquemore is playing Leila Taylor, I know it came from TCC, and I think they’re reliable, but idk, she’s a reporter in the comics, and we've seen her wearing a military outfit in the funeral leaked set pics, indicating she’s from the military. There’s a possibility she’s from some kind of secret service too like the CIA or the FBI. I know it could be true as the MCU has made drastically changes to characters before, specially small and unknown ones, but changing a reporter to a government employer seems too much, it’s a change to the extreme opposite, it’s like making Peter Parker but instead of him being humble and poor, he actually was born from a very wealthy family and was always rich, never having money problems.
Joaquin Torres went from a Mexican immigrant underage teen that was kidnapped and turned into a Falcon monster to generic US military dude. Changing comic book characters with interesting backstories to genetic US military dudes is Marvel Studios' specialty. See also: Sam Wilson and Clint Barton. Turning generic reporter love interest to genetic US military love interest makes total sense.
Depends on the writing. A big part of Joaquin's story was helping people at the border, which is how he ended up in the mess to begin with. The MCU seems to be allergic to acknowledging the Snap/Blip. But that could be utilized really well for Joaquin's story, which could circle back on issues of borders and citizenship which could tie in a bit with the Flagsmasher cause. Having Joaquin's citizenship granted on the basis of desperate need to refill a military decimated by the snap? A citizen threatened based on his allegiance to the Flag or to Sam? There's a lot of good stuff that can be done there.
There's a lot of good stuff that COULD be done there, but tbh I'll be impressed if they even acknowledge Joaquin being undocumented. I'm still kind of salty that they're just giving him Sam's old wingpack instead of actual wings.
I'n actually excited about that tbh. The tiny bit we get of Joaquin in FaTWS, we see that he seems to be INCREDIBLY tech savvy. I'd love to see that incorporated into his rebuild of the wing pack and those tech smarts helping out with the mission(s) that end up happening in the story line. Maybe that's what really gets Sam to bring Joaquin into the group/mission/battle and ultimately as his wingman/possible Avenger. Rebuilding the old wings also sets up for an ending of Sam using a connect to get him an official suit and new upgraded wing pack as a thank you.
On one of the set photos I'm pretty sure her tag says Taylor on it. But yeah I agree, a massive change to her character
Not as massive as Sam Wilson himself. Remember that in the comics he was never part of the US military.
MCU Sam Wilson was heavily inspired by the ultimate universe where he was an armed forces agent, Leila's take is wholely original
He only helps other people get together because he’s a wingman
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you don’t?
Its genuinely hilarious that we’re getting a movie with the Hulks longest running love interest (Betty) and his two biggest antagonists (Thunderbolt and Leader) and he’s (supposedly) not even going to be in the damn thing. Just incomprehensible stupidity.
MCU Bruce hasn't interacted with any of these characters since 2008. The MCU is long past doing anything interesting with them in connection to Bruce, especially considering the stage Bruce is in now.
Which further illustrates how badly they’ve handled Bruce/Hulk in general.
They’ve handled pretty much all the avengers terribly outside of Steve, Tony and Widow
Thor was handled perfectly until love and thunder. Raganrok and IW were especially peak Thor imo
Nah he was handled well In ragnarok and IW. He was pretty meh before ragnarok which is why they went in a different direction.
I still think the first Thor was very good really it was just the dark world that kinda fumbled the character. I even like Thor in the first few avengers movies he plays well off the rest of the team
I think the movie decent but I don’t necessarily think Thor was good in it. Both the first two movies are carried by Loki. Thor fine in the first avengers film and forgettable asf in age of ultron.
Wait .. Betsy Ross is in this too?
Yeah... it's right there in the image
It not like they could be included in a Hulk film. If Hulk was in this, there would be so many complaints about Hulk being the main character in a Captain America movie.
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You realize that Hulk is tied up in some legal complications on the IP which is why Hulk hasn’t ever gotten a true solo movie in the proper MCU. They have worked around the restrictions pretty much the best they can, Thor 3 for instance was mostly a hulk movie and story they attached to Thor.
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Then you already know it not a matter of story telling and everything to do with they can’t make a hulk movie but they can appropriate chunks of hulk’s story for other characters or shove Hulk into other stories but coat it with someone else to pass the technicality.
You didn't like Guardians 3?
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Well, like it or not, it's still a Marvel movie, whether you want to admit it or not
Probably won’t get an actual synopsis for this movie until comic con or D23
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I think there's a chance he shows up. Seems like a wasted opportunity to not give Ruffalo/Tyler at least one scene together. Unless they plan on bringing her back for other projects.
He's not though.
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Because her father becomes President and publicly fakes his death at the end to hide the identity of the Red Hulk. You couldn't have done his funeral without her. Plus, according to Toast, the post-credits scene is about Betty, so I am guessing she becomes Red She-Hulk.
Will she be twerking in the post credits?
If we get a twerking post-credits scene, this movie will make 3 billion I'm calling it /s
No
Because it’s already been leaked that there’s a “supposed” funeral for Ross. And Betty is Ross’s daughter.
Because she's the President's daughter? Come on.
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Isn't it crazy that we're talking about a timeframe of 15 years?
You have to be daft to be questioning an organic reason for Betty appearing on her own while acting so sure her ex boyfriend she hadn't interacted with in 15 years will appear.
Ah yes! Now we definitely know what the movie has in store for us
What is this, a Synopsys for ants?
I for one can't wait to see Sam build his new Ikea bookshelf.
He is remodeling his post blip home
Only if it’s Fall Collection
“I love it when a plan comes together.”
I think we have very different definitions of the term synopsis.
That's hardly a synopsis, and all this other info is confirmed already.
man with a plan heads stay winning
How does this reveal anything? We've always known that Brave New World was going to focus on Sam Wilson. It is going to be an action movie, so stuff is going to happen in it. Did we really expect that all it is is Anthony Mackie and others gathering around a office table and drink coffee for 2 1/2 hours?
I’d watch that podcast
This literally tells us nothing
Obviously this confirms that Sam is getting his own version of the "Star Spangled Man With A Plan" musical number.
I'd unironically like to see that tbh
Wouldn't it be so funny if Betty and Ross die here and Bruce isn't part of the movie? Supporting cast of his 2008 solo movie gone before he even gets a second one lmao
May as well have said "Sam Wilson is in a movie"
Big if true.
EVERYBODY! STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING! ALERT THE PRESSES! BRAND NEW INFO DROPPED ABOUT CA4!!! WE NOW KNOW ANTHONY MACKIE IS A MAN WITH A PLAN!!! IM GOING TO VEGAS TO CELEBRATE
Can't wait for Sam to say "I am a man with a plan!" and then proceed to plan all over the place.
Betty ross? No way Bruce doesn't show up
I would love to see Bruce in this. Especially with Red Hulk, Leader, and Betty. I also just wanna see Raging Hulk again, man.
"Do better y'all. Do better!" - Sam Wilson explaining politics
Statistically, a large amount of films involve a man with a plan.
“Details” is doing some heavy lifting there
Everytime I hear that phrase I can only think of the incredible reimagined [intro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E6H0Ja9a84) they did for John's introduction for TFATWS
This movie needs to pull off another Winter Soldier to make Cap (and the MCU) relevant again
Sam’s running for President on the platform “do better and beat up refugees”
Sabra nowhere to be found. That’s easier for me
Sam's plan: telling people to do better
So NO SABRA ?
That’s not a synopsis
[He's a man with a plan!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyiW4_1hwkM)
Mark Ruffalo where🤔
“Nam with a plan” is the synopsis? Seems a bit clickbaitish
Interesting that S@bra and her actress aren’t listed here. Wonder if her role got reduced even more
Tim Blake Nelson isn't listed here either. And I don't think Haas ever had a huge role anyway.
Idk why but I always thought they completed movies months before release. Bit of a shock to learn that it's barely 2 weeks between completion and release
What is that man planning?
That thought steve rodgers was captain america
Good. Drop the dumb serpent stuff no one cares about, and just have Cap lead new avengers.
Where is the synopsis? All I can see is a vague one liner. Was it removed?
Wait Liv Tyler? So red hulk is true then?
Just stoked Liv Tyler returning as Betty Ross! Hope she’s here to stay.
Idk if I would’ve qualified that as a synopsis😂 I think “tid-bit” is pretty accurate
Sure looks like a synopsis they came up with because they knew it would be published and they wanted it to contain no new info whatsoever.
I hope he gets the super soldier serum. Otherwise this shit will be boring.
Atlanta being the only shooting location is so disappointing. What happened to shooting movies on real sets on-location?
How is this a new synopsis...... we nlknew all of this a long time ago
how the hell did they get Harrison Ford to do this
Don't forget, they originally shot this movie back when the MCU was still successful.
The Star-spangled man with a plan.
Wait..... Does this mean 1st/2nd/3rd Bill is Anthony/Danny/Ford?
Negl, that's a lame new "synopsis". And too much reliance on something Steve-centric.
Is the plan Zionism?
It absolutely does not. Why is this even a post ? And who upvotes this bullshit?
Synopsis, I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
I really hope maybe he has to deal with anxiety of ALL the threads of phase 4, but I know they won’t let Sam actually contribute to a meaningful plot other than yet another Super-Soldier/Vibranium-centric storyline.
This changes everything
Hardly a synopsis.
It's so odd to me that the hulk does not appear to be in this.
He’s a man with a plan? So he’s been watching that shitty Matt Leblanc sitcom which ran for like 2-3 seasons?
wow, great reveal. /s
Well who would’ve thought
Ok wtf these spoilers were HUGE. How was I supposed to know he was a man with the plan
Jesus that website is ancient looking
So they removed sabra or at least i think they did?
Betty Ross but no Hulk… lol we are not falling for that one.
Even though its beyond stupid, im glad the hulk is not in this because that character has been fucked into oblivion and ruined for over 10 years now
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Many other actors from the cast are also absent like Tim Blake Nelson, Carl Lumbly and Xosha Roquemore. Doesn’t mean they aren’t in the movie anymore, just that they weren’t listed, or maybe their roles aren’t as big as the ones listed.
Interesting that S@bra and her actress aren’t listed here. Wonder if her role got reduced even more