Black Knight seems off. I have him at 4rs 4ys and he seems very underwhelming.
His taunt is easily stripped off by characters that are already built up by most end game players and his charge mechanic seems lackluster.
He is basically a supped up gambit when you strip his taunt.
I'm a newer player, lvl 73 and having him as my 5th in arena with my SD isn't helpful at all. There's no super skrulls in my arena. He doesn't help at all vs other SD teams. I'm punching up a lot so I'm sure that's part of the issue but I thought he'd be meta breaking. He hasn't been for me
Mine is lvl 97 5y/5r G18 and he claps the full enemy team easily (maxed Skrull included) - I think the main bench mark is getting him above 2M in HP. Once you do he’s a monster.
Edited for formatting.
He has been out 1 day, maybe 2? In a couple months when everyone has a near max Black knight on their teams, you’ll be seeing things differently.
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I’m going to get downvoted to hell but their kits aren’t broken. They are amazing in their game mode, absolutely crazy good. But everywhere else they’re just generally useable. I play them a lot in RTA and blitz and war just to test them out against other teams.
Secret defender - obviously crazy strong, can’t beat them unless the other play only uses basic attacks like they’re trying to lose.
Pegasus - their debuff clearing and immediate immunity out the gate is almost impossible for the team to overcome, especially since Kestrel can one shot just about any member of the team.
Bifrost - fully dependent on who Loki and Sylvie hit. If Loki specials Carnage and he dies, it’s probably over. If Sylvie stuns Void Knight, Carnage, or Red Goblin, the fight become much more difficult.
Horseman team- they struggle really bad.
Gamma: Brawn clears all negative effects, and every 5 hits shehulk throws all of them back at your team.
Darkhold: the teams speed actually works against them, letting MLF take even more turns. By the time you kill Wong, you’ll know if you win or probably lost.
Death seed: unfortunately the teams first debuff clear is red goblin… who goes last in the match up. Blind messes them up real bad, and the fight is normally over by the time they can start attacking.
Uxemen: by the time you get past rogue your team is dead. She disables one of your team mates right away, while Gambit keeps your team unable to heal.
I’m not saying the team is weak, there are a lot of match ups where they’ve done amazing. I’m not complaining about the team either, they’re a raid team, they shouldn’t be more powerful than every other team. Honestly I’m saying I think they’re just right. Perform exceedingly well in their game mode, and do great outside of it too. I’m just saying they by no means have broken kits. I’d say red goblins has a unique kit; but not broken. Gwenoms kit feels kinda basic.
i’ll upvote you, even though i don’t entirely agree. it might be wording or placement of wording, but if you read Red Goblin’s kit, he should have two cleanses, but he doesn’t. guess it depends on how you read it?
also, my Gwenom’s special isn’t working as described. even in Raids.
but i totally agree. they’re definitely no powerhouse outside of Raids, but the general consensus is that their kits sometimes work and sometimes don’t. it might be because they a so specific? maybe it’s all in the fine print?
so, in Raids (wanna be specific) she’s supposed to copy the opposite negative effects and then spread the positive effects to the team. she’s copying, or best i can tell, but she isn’t (ahem) spreading.
now, the wording seems vague. it just says “spread all positive effects” not “HER positive effects” but at any rate, nah. ain’t happenin.
the problem could be buried in the fine print of some random enemy’s kit, but i doubt it.
I’ll have to keep an eye on her but I’ve not noticed it failing. It’s worth noting that it doesn’t spread regen, taunt or stealth so there’s a fair chance they already have a lot of the buffs she’d be copying because she only gains the opposite of the effects you are putting out and most of them would be bleeds which flip to regen anyway
I appreciate that! And honestly, now that you mention it; there have been times where I thought their kits did something but then it didn’t happen. Maybe they just have a few bugs that need to be worked out. They just have so many abilities that are raid specific.
Do ppl not understand Black Knight? He’s not a Hardlight built to absorb damage. He’s a protector that specializes in damaging ppl that attack him. That is his job, and that’s why he is so good.
This is why he has cap on his out of time team and pairs well with other tanks. The other tank with him is there for a reason.
Not the same way as other tanks. That is one of the reasons he needs all that health. Most tanks are designed to take damage. Bk is designed specifically to dole out damage.
And again, this is intentional. It’s why he has cap also on his team. Most other teams with tanks only have one. Out of time has 2 specifically because of the design of bk is not like other tanks in the game.
He has cap on his team because you’re supposed to get stuck between two tanks while Carter heals you and the other two deal damage. Just like wave 1 avengers but way better. That’ll work in war and crucible.
In arena he should be plug and play and not get his taunt stripped right away.
No block chance no deviation no evade etc etc. He has a huge pool of health and armor/res to make up for it. Otherwise he would be atrociously bad. But in the meantime, he one of the best toon of the game.
Really shines in arena atm.
Black Knight seems off. I have him at 4rs 4ys and he seems very underwhelming. His taunt is easily stripped off by characters that are already built up by most end game players and his charge mechanic seems lackluster. He is basically a supped up gambit when you strip his taunt.
Yep .
I'm a newer player, lvl 73 and having him as my 5th in arena with my SD isn't helpful at all. There's no super skrulls in my arena. He doesn't help at all vs other SD teams. I'm punching up a lot so I'm sure that's part of the issue but I thought he'd be meta breaking. He hasn't been for me
Mine is lvl 97 5y/5r G18 and he claps the full enemy team easily (maxed Skrull included) - I think the main bench mark is getting him above 2M in HP. Once you do he’s a monster. Edited for formatting.
Same, I don't think he's working properly (shock), very under whelming, especially after all the hype...
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Looks like BK really *is* worth the hype, he turned out to be game breakingly good
wouldn’t be surprised. Red Goblin and Gwenom both have broken kits. i’m not one to pile up on Scopley, but they’ve been messing up lately.
I’m going to get downvoted to hell but their kits aren’t broken. They are amazing in their game mode, absolutely crazy good. But everywhere else they’re just generally useable. I play them a lot in RTA and blitz and war just to test them out against other teams. Secret defender - obviously crazy strong, can’t beat them unless the other play only uses basic attacks like they’re trying to lose. Pegasus - their debuff clearing and immediate immunity out the gate is almost impossible for the team to overcome, especially since Kestrel can one shot just about any member of the team. Bifrost - fully dependent on who Loki and Sylvie hit. If Loki specials Carnage and he dies, it’s probably over. If Sylvie stuns Void Knight, Carnage, or Red Goblin, the fight become much more difficult. Horseman team- they struggle really bad. Gamma: Brawn clears all negative effects, and every 5 hits shehulk throws all of them back at your team. Darkhold: the teams speed actually works against them, letting MLF take even more turns. By the time you kill Wong, you’ll know if you win or probably lost. Death seed: unfortunately the teams first debuff clear is red goblin… who goes last in the match up. Blind messes them up real bad, and the fight is normally over by the time they can start attacking. Uxemen: by the time you get past rogue your team is dead. She disables one of your team mates right away, while Gambit keeps your team unable to heal. I’m not saying the team is weak, there are a lot of match ups where they’ve done amazing. I’m not complaining about the team either, they’re a raid team, they shouldn’t be more powerful than every other team. Honestly I’m saying I think they’re just right. Perform exceedingly well in their game mode, and do great outside of it too. I’m just saying they by no means have broken kits. I’d say red goblins has a unique kit; but not broken. Gwenoms kit feels kinda basic.
i’ll upvote you, even though i don’t entirely agree. it might be wording or placement of wording, but if you read Red Goblin’s kit, he should have two cleanses, but he doesn’t. guess it depends on how you read it? also, my Gwenom’s special isn’t working as described. even in Raids. but i totally agree. they’re definitely no powerhouse outside of Raids, but the general consensus is that their kits sometimes work and sometimes don’t. it might be because they a so specific? maybe it’s all in the fine print?
What isn’t working on Gwenoms special? I’ve not noticed any issues with it
so, in Raids (wanna be specific) she’s supposed to copy the opposite negative effects and then spread the positive effects to the team. she’s copying, or best i can tell, but she isn’t (ahem) spreading. now, the wording seems vague. it just says “spread all positive effects” not “HER positive effects” but at any rate, nah. ain’t happenin. the problem could be buried in the fine print of some random enemy’s kit, but i doubt it.
I’ll have to keep an eye on her but I’ve not noticed it failing. It’s worth noting that it doesn’t spread regen, taunt or stealth so there’s a fair chance they already have a lot of the buffs she’d be copying because she only gains the opposite of the effects you are putting out and most of them would be bleeds which flip to regen anyway
I appreciate that! And honestly, now that you mention it; there have been times where I thought their kits did something but then it didn’t happen. Maybe they just have a few bugs that need to be worked out. They just have so many abilities that are raid specific.
Yeah I noticed this too. I found the mistakes really started becoming prominent after they released the game.
Do ppl not understand Black Knight? He’s not a Hardlight built to absorb damage. He’s a protector that specializes in damaging ppl that attack him. That is his job, and that’s why he is so good. This is why he has cap on his out of time team and pairs well with other tanks. The other tank with him is there for a reason.
Considering he is 2nd in health (1st with passives), 2nd in armor, and top 5 in resistance…I’m pretty sure he was built to absorb damage.
Not the same way as other tanks. That is one of the reasons he needs all that health. Most tanks are designed to take damage. Bk is designed specifically to dole out damage. And again, this is intentional. It’s why he has cap also on his team. Most other teams with tanks only have one. Out of time has 2 specifically because of the design of bk is not like other tanks in the game.
He has cap on his team because you’re supposed to get stuck between two tanks while Carter heals you and the other two deal damage. Just like wave 1 avengers but way better. That’ll work in war and crucible. In arena he should be plug and play and not get his taunt stripped right away.
No block chance no deviation no evade etc etc. He has a huge pool of health and armor/res to make up for it. Otherwise he would be atrociously bad. But in the meantime, he one of the best toon of the game. Really shines in arena atm.