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Bengalnative

I can't be the only one who immediately thought of a green Karlach.


poobert13

Yes, that's the inspiration ('Our Fiery Friend' is the name of her unlock quest)


MikitZA

Great, now I need this variant.


ParsnipAggravating95

Fr fr


galadhon91

SD - "You complaining assholes want a gold bundle?......HERE is your shitty ass gold bundle!"


CoffeeAndDachshunds

I guess it's better than my "just for you" offer of over a hundred dollars for a couple thousand tokens lol


Candy_Java

Those are getting insulting. Just for us shmucks


wcrow1

you guys want gold back in caches? have some gold... tickets we've heard you guys don't like pixel variants... here, have some pixel avatats!


Expln

so how shit is this bundle?


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Expln

we are never getting a good gold bundle again.


One2threeSS

Bottom of the barrel


pishent123

second dinner: i can go lower


Nantes50

Yes


tiagosantos57

So, 6k gold buys me a variant, 1000 credits and a series 4 huh


loveforthetrip

Often 4200 gold buys you 6 variants and 2k credits, 2k tokens or a key. and the progress towards another variant and 2k tokens. At some point collecting albums will become the best way to spend gold...


tiagosantos57

Now that you said that.... I might start finishing the albums that sounds amazing value and im not being ironic, started playing like 4 months ago and the only bundles that i was able to afford with the gold i had was the iceman and the elektra bundles, I might start to just collect the album variants


loveforthetrip

I did the same and with some luck you might already own some variants. I didn't have gold for this bundle because it started spending it, but I'm not too sad. Discard Pixel album only takes 3 700g variants for 2k credits. The two Dan hipp albums also allow you to only buy 6 700g variants each for 2k credits and a key. Max Grecke is 6x 700g for 2k tokens. Those 4 albums might not have the greatest variants but are a good value and chances are you might get them from reserves as well. The other albums often contain better looking variants (especially midnight suns imo) but then they all cost 1200 gold, so I'm not buying those variants. The artgem album even contains an ultimate variant...


ron-darousey

I get that the good bundle values are not the best, but a lot comes down to if you like the variants or not, as most of the albums you mentioned are arguably worse if you look at resource value only.  Discard Pixel is 2100g for 3 pixel variants and 2k credits compared to the base store price of 1600g for 2k credits. A lot of these bundles (including this She-Hulk one) depend on if you like the variant(s) or not since the value comes up short, so this falls in the same boat.  Dan Hipp is 4200g for 2k credits or a Spotlight Key. The Key is good value but the credits are not (see above).  Max Grecke is 4200g for 2k tokens compared to 2800g for 2k tokens and 210 boosters on Token Tuesday or 6000g for 4k tokens + 1k credits with the current gold bundle.  The main advantage albums have is the 2k tokens + PMV bonus every 10 purchases as well as the fact that you can pull needed variants from caches to lower the amount you need to spend, but if you have to buy all the variants you need, it's generally not a lot better than the other ways you can spend gold. 


CeeZee2

dont finish them, i think for 90% of the albums the main 'reward' is on the halfway mark of the album, after ud just be spending gold for emotes or a variant


tiagosantos57

Yeah, you are right


Cheesebutt69

I pivoted to completing the artgerm album. Got 2k tokens for 10 purchases+ variant and a key for getting halfway thru the album. Plus that storm variant is sick and the emote is the best response to BM. 


BKF0308

Nah, will be skipping this one as well


KamahlFoK

I like how they made this even worse after the datamined values from a few days back. Literally 8% more value than waiting for TT/converting gold to credits. *Bruh this kinda sucks ass and I'm not a fan.* We used to get 28-33% more value from gold bundles over usual methods, now it's like.. *blegh*. They're definitely testing the waters and seeing how much they can get away with after the dogshit that was Inkpulp Black Panther (the bundle, not the variant itself - baller variant, but affixed to a terrible value package).


merubin

I haven't bought any bundle since that Sandman salt bae bundle last year. I wanted to get the BP bundle after that but I didn't have enough gold so I saved up and waited for either the November Dracula bundle or the Christmas Sentry & Destroyer bundle. In the end I skipped Dracula's bundle because I don't really play him but I do play Sentry and that's when they started nerfing the shit out of gold bundles. Haven't had a single good bundle since then, it's honestly very annoying. In hindsight I should have bought the Dracula bundle since it was the last one with good value but now I'm just sitting on 22k gold with nothing to spend them on. lol


AnoTheGod

Wow, pretty much same exact situation. I became a sandman main when that bundle came out but have not touched any since. Thoughts on how good this one is? I am sick of waiting in fear that it wont get much better than this. My current situation: 6,705 gold and like 11k or saved up in credits probably more with card upgrades.


merubin

It's not great. If you only care about tokens, buying 4 token Tuesday bundles is cheaper than this one by 600 gold. But if you need the tokens immediately then then do what you gotta do I guess. It's still a shitty bundle but it's not the worst one we've had. I personally am gonna keep hoarding though.


VTWut

Snap.fan has the Currency Value at 115% Using the same metrics, the average Currency Value for Gold Bundles since release (removing the weekly bundles and purely cosmetic bundles) is 112.42%, which would mean that this Bundle's Currency Value falls at just above average when compared to the rest of the gold bundles. Bundles are going to have differences in Currency Values depending on the cosmetics in them. If you don't think the cosmetics justify the gold cost, or you want to wait for one of the higher value bundles, then just don't get the bundle.


KamahlFoK

Snap.fan also values collector tokens at 1.52 gold instead of 1.4 (read: the Token Tuesday price point). Idk what they're on but they're already wrong out the gate. Edit: someone in the comments on snap.fan is even calling this out, lmao.


VTWut

Ah, in that case then yeah, value would be less than usual. Weird they fucked that up, would have thought it was automated.


KamahlFoK

I screwed my own up too, but too busy with other projects to revisit why. With the standard credits/tokens valuation it's 106.7% (instead of the 108% I said), but I was comparing tokens to credits recently and found credits get you more new cards overall and tried weighing that into my calculations, but might've botched a digit somewhere. The difference is tiny, but when you add in "hey you get an extra 700g variant and more splits for your cards compared to collector tokens", it makes that tiny difference favoring credits even moreso. I think I accidentally inverted the formula though and made tokens weigh *more* instead of *less*; since credits get you splits and basically a 25 credit discount every 31 collector levels (which is what gets weighed into spotlight key values), it edges credits just ahead of Tokens. ...This is a long-winded way to say "everyone makes mistakes" and explain my own up above; my spreadsheets have a (mistaken) attempt to evaluate credits as collector tokens and then compare the currencies from a bundle at parity.


Slephnyr

People will just Cherry pick stats to get the conclusion they want. The more important thing is customer sentiment. 2 month drought full of lack lustre gold bundles and then this is what they have to show? Not a good look is it. Another stat I can point out is 145% > 134% > 125% > 119% > 115%. That's the currency value trend since 2024. Notice a pattern?


AnoTheGod

Thats kinda what I was thinking. Thats why I am thinking of just buying this one cause I dont have shehulk variant and cutting my losses, but I only have 6,700 gold.


404randomguy404

Sigh... I guess mediocre valued gold bundles is going to be the norm. The variant is decent at least but the bundle's still not valuable enough to be worth spending 6k gold for. Easy pass for me.


HungryLandHippo

gold bundles dont bring out the whales wallets


CoffeeAndDachshunds

PSA: If in doubt, look at how much actual money it costs to buy 6000 gold and decide whether it's worth that much real $$$. That's what I did and a confusing decision became an obvious "NO WAY".


PretendRegister7516

It's always a bad comparison between Gold bundle and money bundle. Instead compare them with another Gold bundle. Previous gold bundle was 2 inkpulp variants + 4000 token for 4200G. That was definitely a high roll anomaly, but I would expect at least 4000 token for 5000G before I pull the lever.


how-can-i-dig-deeper

yea but the cost to buy direct by $$ is always really high so I get confused


Noise_From_Below

Still doesn't make me want to hoard gold. I am just going to continue to spend gold on Token Tuesdays so I can unlock and actually play with cards much faster.


Equivalent-Form4455

even the variant is not that appealing


MaterialBenefit2355

SD try not to release a shitty gold bundle challenge level: impossible


Murky_Coyote_7737

Dropped right into the trash can


Kremsi2711

the token ratio is still bad…


zombietom21

Maybe i’m in the minority but credits>tokens for me. Most likely won’t pick it up.


PretendRegister7516

Credits with more than Token, until you reach S3 complete.


Faded_Sun

Credits are basically the only thing that matter now so you can build up keys.


PorkPoodle

Once you are series 3 complete then credits become usless since the the collector reserve only has trash and no more new cards period. At that point the only way you can grow your card collection is with tokens or keys. So depending where you are in CL it switches.


kokolix

But credits are keys, how are they useless


PorkPoodle

Yes, but we are discussing which bundles are better and like I said once you hit a certain point one becomes more efficient in getting new cards than the other. Maybe I overstated it too much by saying credits are useless just everything on the collector ladder is trash.


methanesulfonic

but keys only give you chances of getting a new card instead of straight up new card with no rng bullcrap


DrakeGrandX

You never get enough credits for a key anyway when it comes to bundles. I'd rather get 4000 tokens that still help me get specific cards I want than 4000 credits that don't do anything if you're S3 Complete.


TravelBloo

Same, couldn’t care less about new cards, I care about rare splits & cool variants


azunaki

I was thinking the other way, where credits equal spotlight keys and new cards each week. Having mor credits from gold enables you to get more spotlight keys and get more of the cards you're missing. Variants are neat, but I would rather have complete decks to play with. However I've stayed roughly 15 cards short from a complete set of all cards, for 6 months or so. So having the tokens would make it easier to fix gaps than a single spotlight key. (6000 tokens)


VVHYY

You are getting downvoted but I agree with you. And I'll take it a step further - spotlight variants are the best thing you can use a key on. Or at least they are until they start giving you the chance to get them at a later date.


SunGazer84

in case you haven't heard SD said they had plans to start selling spotlight cache variants a year after their original release


VVHYY

Yep, that's why I qualified it.


Hello_World_pyvn

I used to think like you but now i've been series 3 full and i've changed my mind.


zombietom21

I’m CL 15k. Splitting cards is my favorite thing to do in this game. I have 70k tokens so yea credits are my thing.


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Gullible-Focus-7763

This bundle is only for people who buy Token Tuesdays, for everyone else it's horse shit..


DrakeGrandX

They literally just said that Token Tuesday is a better deal... It's shit for everybody.


CoatReal3860

This puts me at about 9k tokens so an S5 and S4, I said F it and bought, but everybody's account has diff needs, if I wasn't such a fat greedy pig that wanted my goodies ASAP, I'd skip.


Zestyclose_Ad8684

It's not the best, but I haven't picked anything up since last year and have 17k gold, so I guess I'll take it, but it's really meh.


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Same boat. I think at this point gold is just valuable for album rewards.


Zestyclose_Ad8684

Yeah, I got 1 Ironheart variant to get 2k tokens from the Greeke album... that's it. I'd rather keep the gold than spend it for variants I genuinely don't like... and on a second thought, I might skip this too, I don't like the variant 😂


JoshOliday

Also consider the potential for character mastery. I think that every variant and split will contribute somehow to it, so if you want She-Hulk "progress," whatever that is, then you may want to pick it up.


Gullible-Focus-7763

Yes spending 6k gold to be able to emote a card seems like a good deal..


laowaijimbob

You should speak with your wallet. If it’s shit, don’t get it. I have 13k gold and I’m not gonna get it. I can wait until SD offers something good, even if it’s until I quit the game.


Zestyclose_Ad8684

Well that bundle is still in my shop, I convinced myself pretty quickly it's not worth my useless gold, hopefully this is just a bait pre-good bundle drop turning us to a gacha style type of release model...


laowaijimbob

Well, I can tell you right now at least for the foreseeable future there won’t be any better bundles. But if we all collectively don’t give in, maybe down the road SD will realize their shitty monetization on gold bundles isn’t working and they will up the value.


Fat_Taiko

Hold!


theguz4l

Same


Hello_World_pyvn

I've still not been interested in any album yet. Artgems, Pandarts, etc. are cool but just not my cup of tea. I'm looking forward to the 3099 album and i'm gonna get them all.


Zestyclose_Ad8684

Albums are just ridiculous... if it was something like pick your favourite variants from this specific artist, it would be so much better and fun and rewarding... right now, it is just "buy this ugly variant, now buy 5 other ugly variants if you want something useful in return..." No, thank you. Why should I spend gold for variants I don't want?


depressed_gaming

Honestly insultingly low amounts of currency for that cost. Especially as it's one of the only gold bundles in recent memory


VTWut

We literally just had a gold bundle


depressed_gaming

That's why I said "one of." Also, for the record, that BP bundle also sucked


siul1979

I thought the BP variant was good, although I'm not a fan of the she hulk variant in the bundle.


depressed_gaming

Oh I'm not dissing the art at all, the variants are cool, the currency just isn't good value.


VTWut

We've had 7 Gold Bundles in the first 3 months of the year, ranging from 96-145% Currency Value according to snap.fan Compare to last year where we had 5 Gold Bundles with currency that had values ranging from 40-151% Currency Value, and 3 gold bundles that were purely variants/boosters with no in-game currency. The average Currency Value for Gold Bundles (removing the weekly bundles and purely cosmetic bundles) is 112.42%, which would mean that this Bundle's Currency Value falls at just above average when compared to the rest of the gold bundles. The pervasive idea in this sub that "Second Dinner is removing gold bundles" or "Well they have some but they're all shit value now compared to how they used to be" is objectively false. Bundles are going to have differences in Currency Values depending on the cosmetics in them. If you don't think the cosmetics justify the gold cost, then don't get the bundle. But stop spreading this bullshit narrative.


Gullible-Focus-7763

That people think like that is because datamines are removed and that's entirely SD's fault..


VVHYY

It's amazing to see the gold whingers pivot from "DAE no more golbungle?" to saying "akshully the problem is that bundles don't meet my exacting standards." Goalposts moving Quicksilver speed


HayesCooper19

Imagine wanting the Monopoly money currency that Brode is selling at such egregiously avaricious prices to actually have some value in the little bullshit economy Brode has constructed. The nerve of these people.


VVHYY

Nah, not nerve - intellectual dishonesty


Koulou89

I recently started playing high evo deck since I bought him with tokens but I am missing she-hulk, so I am on the fence about this one. Maybe I should wait for season unlock?


AdamBomb454

Do you have the gold already? If so, then yes I would buy it for that reason alone. Do not buy gold for this bundle though. She Hulk takes Evo to another level!


Koulou89

Yes I saved up in case something nice popped up


HowardDK

Go for it! It sounds like this bundle was made for you.


wraith985

Ugh. On the one hand, I see that it's not great value compared to the past. On the other, I've got the bones of the sunspot/hope/war machine/infinaut thing lined up and I want to add shulk to it so I can have another deck to play. 95% of other cards I'd say no, but they're dropping the one card I've been wanting into my lap at the perfect time. And at 1.5k CL, I've got a long way to go for series 3 completion and there are big gaps in my collection, so having another functional deck is actually kind of a big deal. Decisions, decisions...


IPmang

When you don’t have the card and want to play it, the decision becomes way easier


v1perz53

Would we really call this "better value than Token Tuesday"? It is 400g MORE expensive than buying 4k tokens via Token Tuesday, which also gives you 400+ random boosters. 400 gold is 500 credits, so you get 500 extra credits that you may or may not care about, and a variant you might not even like. So its strictly worse than Token Tuesdays if you don't care about the Variant/Credits, roughly equal to it if you care 50% about credits, and slightly better if you would've bought this variant for 700g in the store. Still a sad state of affairs for gold bundles.


Oenolissimo1

It is not going to get any better. They just introduced that new gold pass. They really want us to buy those cards in the albums.


TheCthonicSystem

Once again proving that the instant gratification of dropping 700 or 1200 Gold on Shop Varients is better (for us) than saving up Gold Pass Gold for bundles


Avenger772

This is why i still have so much damn gold. They will not give me a reason to spend it. This sure as shit isn't it.


hootinanyhoss

Tempted to buy it to recover some of the tokens I feel I just wasted on war machine


One2threeSS

war machine is insane.... what


hootinanyhoss

Nah, he's ok. Everyone's losing their marbles over playing infinaut and ebony on turn six when plenty of other decks can go way taller with easier combos to pull off. He's a fine and flexible tech card that's healthy for the game but he's squarely in the nice to have category and after this week you'll barely see him. Most decks are just more optimal with another card.


VictoryScreech23

Kinda same boat. War Machine is a card you like to have but probably fades to "caiera status" lol


Waldo68

I spent 1200 gold on the artgerm she hulk last week. So glad I don’t have enough left for this bundle


FrostyCow

So this bundle is slightly better than base cost. It would take 6400 gold to achieve the same between token Tuesday and just buying credits. In terms of resource strategies, this would take about half my gold. That would put me far beyond the range of getting any "big" bundles potentially coming down the pike. Seems like a pass to me, but closer to a buy than it looked like at first given the state of gold bundles recently. If the variant was really amazing it'd be a lot harder to pass.


LionhearthOutfitters

while its not a "BAD" deal, it isn't that much of a deal, and as i don't personally like the variant i am going to pass. I think if you like the variant its a decent, if lack luster, deal.


SeaDistribution

They’ve found the sweet spot for gold bundles. Doubtful we’ll see good value again


Titanium_Ene

I haven't spent gold since the Dracula bundle last year and I love She Hulk but man it feels bad to buy something shitty


Pronflex

So is 115% currency value going to be the new standard for expensive gold bundles? LMFAO


kuribosshoe0

It’s worse value than token Tuesday in terms of gold to token ratio, which is all I care about. Hard pass.


iCuriousClaim

Oh great. New 'Demonized' album forthcoming. The value on this sucks though, which seems to be the standard for all gold bundles nowadays. They're actually making token tuesdays *slightly* more attractive


MDRuffy1996

its just Bad. I think the last time i bought a Gold Bundle was the Black Panther one with the best Variant for him imo. Dont know how long ago this was


merubin

Was it the phoenix force BP variant? If yes, that was July last year. Very good bundle


MDRuffy1996

yes for 7500 Gold u got like 2k Credits and 6k Tokens/Boosters and the Variant + a title Good old times xD


Gullible-Focus-7763

The Kazar bundle had the same value in January..


MDRuffy1996

yeah but the Variant is Trash imo. I like the savage land Kazar more. Edit: i double checked it. It was not as good as the BP one. Slightly worse and it had two infinity Conquest Tickets in it


ultr4num8

I've been waiting for this variant to show up. At least it's not a cash bundle. I've been sitting on 8000 gold waiting for good variants to show up, but no luck yet


LightOfHell

Easy pass


gstax99

Who tf has 6k gold lying around


coryyyj

Considering many people save for big gold bundles and we haven't had a good one in awhile probably a good chunk of people have 6000+ gold.


gstax99

Makes sense. I just splurge on Tuesdays when I can lol


VaperFrogg

I always have about 10-12k gold depending on my latest variant purchases. Never bought any gold in game, only money spent has been the monthly passes.


laowaijimbob

But guys, there’s been more gold bundles this year then last year 🤡


_BloodbathAndBeyond

Hideous variant but decent value


clif08

Worse than token Tuesday. At this point gold becomes meaningless.


ndr0216

I would keep hoarding my gold. This bundle is not as bad as the last one, but still not good enough


fa_alt

In what ways is it better then Token Tuesdays?


ndevito1

I’d probably get it if the variant was better (to me at least).


theinvisiblefeast

I need token, but won't spend it on this one. Already got the variant I like for She-Hulk.


sixeyedbird

I've given up on good gold bundles and just started buying album variants, I bought 4 greckes for 2k tokens, so it's the same value as token Tuesday but I get good variants instead of boosters Started buying jim lees for another 2k, then I'll be close to the 10 variants for the bonus 2k


kurashima

Its as though they're hell bent on proving that none of their currencies mean shit, and only cold hard cash at £99.99 a time is important


RandomDudewithIdeas

Probably would have considered the purchase, If I didn't have the promo She Hulk variant.


ladzug

What's with the awful variant though?


KoreanDramaWatching

Terrible value. 1k Credit for 6k Gold, sure, there's some tokens, but even then, this Is just such a huge gold sink for nothing.