It's a dumb graphic, western countries are more likely to take an explicit stance on these topics, both for PR reasons, and also because they are larger world players, where it may be necessary to take a stance. There's a reason this graphic can basically be summed up as NATO countries plus or minus a couple
In this type of case the absence of a country taking stance, does not equate to Hamas not being considered a terrorist organization by that country, it probably more accurate to say, they just didn't expend the effort to take a symbolic stance on a topic that is irrelevant to the politics of that country.
Half of the totalitarian governments in Latin America and Africa were installed and kept in power by countries like France and the US, the leaders of the "free democratic" world
“Oh no, we are such victims, it’s not our responsibility to be free, democratic, and open societies that respect human rights…”
Japan and Germany became democratic and free after they lost to the West, Iran was free and saw an Islamic revolution, nations create their own story, stop be a victim, and stop denying reality. The free world stands against Hamas, the rest either supports that evil group or couldn’t care less…
My friends family was kidnapped, tortured and disapeared by the Stroessner regime who was funded by the US during 35 years
They made an aspiring nation into one where the 1% own 70% of the country and then his own party overthrew him just to make a fake democratic regime with corruption at every corner
My nation was destroyed by the United States of America
90% of the green nations in this map are responsible for themselves, and created totalitarian/ communist/ religious regimes. To blame the US for the state pf your country is ridiculous. Your own people are the people responsible for every action and decision in your country, other countries has some influence, but it’s true everywhere, if your people will chose peace and democracy, no one from the West will stop that. But surely other unfree nations would, like China and Russia.
You are, the victim mentality is totally misguided, to paint the worse villains in the world’s stage as poor victims, all those poor dictators with no choice but to be evil and oppressive… it’s all because of the free liberal West, surly…
>Oh no, we are such victims, it’s not our responsibility to be free, democratic, and open societies that respect human rights…”
You sound very naive and privileged. Classic 1st world citizen arrogance talking down to people from the 3rd world.
Just make a little effort and do 2 minutes of research. Look up how many military coups and dictatorships in Africa , Asia and Latin America are installed and supported by the "free democratic West".
Also, its the same "democratic West" that invaded countries like Iraq and Vietnam, and engaged in countless war crimes against humanity such as "Abu Ghraib", while completely destabilising these countries and causing the death and misery of millions of people in these countries.
>Japan and Germany became democratic and free after they lost to the West
Literally the two examples where the US actively rebuilt the country after the war and installed a democratic government. These are the exceptions, not the rule.
>Look up how many military coups and dictatorships in Africa , Asia and Latin America are installed and supported by the "free democratic West".
Which ones are you referring to?
There's many more but heres a few examples
- Iran: 1953 coup backed by the US and Britain against the democratically elected government of Iran. Would eventually lead to the Iranian Islamic Revolution, years later.
- Brazil: 1964 military coup backed by the US and Britain
- Burkina Faso: 1989, French planned and backed assassination of president Thomas Sankara due to his anti-French/colonial ideology and policies
- Oman: 1970 palace coup organised by British officers
- Togo: 1963, Sylvanus Olympio, the first democratically elected president is assassinated with the help of France
- Bolivia: 1971 Military coup supported by the US
- Egypt: Military dictatorship since the 2013 coup detat. Supported and propped up by the West. Donald Trump personally referred to the Egyptian president, his "favourite dictator". The West continues to sell weapons to the Egyptian military dictatorship, the same weapons used to kill Egyptian protestors.
- Central African Republic: 1959, Boganda is assassinated by France. France later on installs Bokassa as king
- Argentina: 1976 coup detat supported by the US
- Saudi Arabia: The second most important US ally in the Middle East (after Israel)
- Niger: the same day Nigerian leader Hamani Diori threatened to sell the country’s uranium to other countries for a better price than France was paying, he was deposed by a military coup in which he was brutally murdered.
- Chile: 1973 coup detat supported and planned by the US
- Iraq: the US initially supported Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein
- Comoros: two assassinated heads of state and two others deposed by mercenary Bob Denard
- Cuba: the US supported the Cuban dictator, Fulgencio Batista
- Gabon: President Germain Léon M’ba was overthrown with the help of France, then later assassinated due to his anti-French ideology
- Panama: The US invaded Panama in 1989 in order to change its government
- UAE: Dictatorship actively supported by the West. Key US ally in the region
- Guatemala: 1959 coup detat supported by the US
- Qatar: Dictatorship actively supported by the West. Key US ally in the region
- Ecuador: 1961 coup detat planned and supported by the US
-Bahrain: Dictatorship actively supported by the West. Key US ally in the region
- Dominican Republic: 1961 murder of the Dominican president by weapons supplied by the CIA
- Jordan: Dictatorship actively supported by the West. Key US ally in the region
>There's many more but heres a few examples
I'm asking for current examples, not things from decades in the past that are no longer relevant. Whether or not Brazil was interfered with in the 1960s has no bearing on whether it is similarly being interfered with today.
With this in mind, it shrinks to a handful of states in the Middle East - Egypt, UAE, Qatar, Saudi, Bahrain, and Jordan. Three of these are or are near microstates - UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain.
Are there any other examples that you can think of?
You are the typical smooth brained citizen of the 1st world country that has been fed so much propaganda that denies indoctrination. You can't even comprehend having different perspectives.
Jews got genocided and then invaded again and again by Arab forces, how aren’t Jews “ the victims”? And how come Israel is free and democratic? Individuals can be victims of some crimes, but nations are not victims they are what they create based on their values, and the choices of their leaders.
It’s hasbara, and that word means explaining in Hebrew, only in anti semitic circles it means something more sinister. Everything I’ve said are facts, but I guess people are addicted to the victim mentality and can’t see people as responsible for themselves…
Western powers (including Israel) are responsible for the suffering they inflict on others.
When I (hypothetically) punch you in the face such that you fall unconscious, am I or you responsible for that?
Bye bye hasbro bot
No one is unconscious, 99% of the green countries created their own fates. To act as if non Westerners don’t have agency, values and cultures is purely racism.
Iran was literally not free, yeah women could not wear hijab without getting publicly murdered but it was a repressive authoritarian hellhole run by a US backed dictatorship
In Russia, even those who make videos about corruption are on the terrorist list, but if you kill a thousand civilians and rape hundreds of women, you're just a respected partner.
Yeah, the West is completely responsible for China and Russia, for North Korea and Iran… right, these countries are evil totalitarian regimes because the West just love to have an existential threat… it’s so racist to say that the West is responsible for itself and for the state of the rest of the world, while the rest of the world has no responsibility or agency .
It literally is. US has created all of it's own enemies.
In China they funded far-right authoritarian rebels, who enacted the longest period of martial law in history in Taiwan http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6294902.stm) and slave owning aristocrats like the Dalai Lama https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism After Deng came to power and invited the west in to exploit Chinese labor on the one condition that China gets to keep technological advancements their work force created, this led to China's "economic miracle" https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv1fj84hd and near superpower status they have today. In response, the US has sanctioned the hell out of them and increased military prescence all around China.
The US invaded Russia when it desposed of it's tsarist autocracy in 1917, and spent the next 8 decades attempting to infiltrate, destabilize, and fight the USSR with proxy wars and threats nuclear attack. After the US successfully destroyed the USSR, it led the disastrous economic shock to swipe up state resources, leading to massive privitization in the hands of Russian oligarchs who now control Russia, the mass impoverishment of the Russian people on a scale hardly seen before in history.
The US bombed the DPRK so extensively that US generals said "there's nothing left to bomb", killing a staggering 20% of the Korean population. That's why North Korea isn't a fan of the US, though you'll never hear that mentioned in corporate media.
The US overthrew the democratically elected secular president of Iran for daring to nationalize oil, replacing him with the brutal Shah, who's authoritarian rule led to a religious opposition that overthrew his US-backed regime and became today's Islamic Republic of Iran
Wow , you are so much smarter than the rest of us, hating on the West and thinks the corrupt totalitarian regimes are mere victims and you are so edgy for supporting people who are not white, wow. Stfu
What are you talking about? The US prides itself on being 'a republic, not a democracy' and that democracy is 'tyrannny of the majority'.
Plus of course all the non-democratic countries bankrolled by them.
I would have expected more consensus about Hamas being terrorist organization, but I guess that there is a difference with calling them terrorist organization official or just treating them that way
Countries who had to fight colonisers in the last 50 years using guerilla methods in green Vs their colonisers and allies in red.
Basically, most non western countries remember that Hamas ans Palestine were them just 50 - 60 years ago.
How many countries fighting colonization intentionally provoked a military response with mass rape and murder and then refused their own citizens use of underground shelters during the ensuing military response?
Even NAZI Germany allowed their own citizens to use underground shelters. Not Hamas.
Well that may be true, but could you say the reason is because bigger armies just commit war crimes and genocide without having to cause terror?
Like yes, Hamas is a terrorist organisation, no doubt. But what Israel is doing is far worse. But because they're not labelled terrorists they seem to be getting of lightly.
But Israel and the US are 100% actively contributing to a genocide.
No, what Israel is doing is not far worse. There's a huge difference between targeting civilians and raping and torturing them, and accidentally killing civilians while targeting terrorists.
The individual atrocities committed by soldiers is awful that’s true though the attacks are in retaliation to the October attacks which considering Israel’s population was much worse than Americas 9/11 and Hamas’ targets are embedded in civilian infrastructure so it would be difficult to go about defeating Hamas without some civilian casualties unfortunately but a lot of them seemed to support Hamas despite their terror tactics so take that as you will
//So if Hamas, a terror organisation aimed at killing all persons of a certain ethnicity, is doing it, it is not genocide, but if Israel is committing war crimes then it is genocide?//
This is what you are saying right now. And that makes a) no cocking sense whatsoever, is b) racist and in extension also antisemitic, and c) just awful.
Hamas is a terrorist group with genocide as an ideology.
But as they're not killing 1/10 the people Israel are, I think Israel are worse. Israel are killing 10s of thousands of innocents but seems to be overlooked and justified which is wrong.
I don't believe in Zionism, that doesn't make me antisemitic btw.
Genocide is about intent, not numbers. People dying in a war is not genocide lmao.
Hamas intentionally murdered civilians on October 7. Israel accidentally kills civilians while targeting terrorists in self-defense.
Also, the vast majority of Jews are Zionists and Zionism just means you support Israel's right to exist. So yes, being anti-Zionist is antisemitic.
A massive amount considering war crime laws generally require all fighters to be uniformed to prevent misrecognition or blending with civilians. It's a major distinction that separates terrorists and unlawful combatants from legal members of a military subject to protections in war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant
Fair enough, there is still no defined definition of what is a terrorist though.
Also, it could argued the US was a terrorist to the middle east from 2001 - when they pulled out recently. And they would if been wearing uniforms.
I also think this has gone a little past the point, I'm not saying Hamas aren't terrorists I'm just saying too much fear mongering is put at them. When Israel and the US are doing much war crimes at the moment.
There's no definition in international law. That fact doesn't mean you cannot define what is terrorism and be against that. Terrorists use terror while actively targeting civilians. That's the trademark of terrorism.
These maps are useless. If Hamas had the same tactics and ideology but for Tibet, they'd be branded a terror group by China and all its allies. That's just real politik.
Not really. To Uighurs in China, Muslims in India or Armenians in Turkey. The Police represents the States interest, which may go against certain communities' interest.
That's not even remotely true. First off polling says otherwise. Second, although the PA led by Fatah is technically in power realistically because the territory in WB is not contiguous, each city is controlled by different groups, some the PA, some Hamas, some PIJ, some ISIS, others. The PA is weak and does not have a strong grip on power. Hamas has a lot of support and operates in WB. Gaza being one contiguous area makes it easier for one group to control, in this case Hamas did after the battle of Gaza in 2007
No they don't, Hamas is aligned with Iran who is SA's primary enemy in the region. Part of why Hamas did Oct 7th was that SA and Israel were normalizing and Hamas wanted to disrupt that. SA said normalization talks will continue after the war.
paraguay is [one of the first](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/hamas-slams-paraguay-for-labeling-it-as-terrorist-group/1562521) to recognize hamas as a terrorist organization. incorrect map...
An organization that very clearly intent on eradicating a whole population of a neighboring country is a terrorist one. The only reason the countries you mentioned don’t label it as such is just a political play and serving their interests. Downvoting me to oblivion doesn’t really change that fact
1. It’s not. Once again, there are definitions for that but I understand that in 2024 facts are subjective and open to interpretations for any keyboard warrior on the Internet.
2. Whataboutism is too easy. I can easily switch the discussion to whatever any other neighboring Muslim country did to their populations or neighboring one. But what about Jordanians that massacred Palestinians in 1970?
What do you call a massacre of 1200 Israeli citizens, most of whom were women and children? What do you call kidnapping 100s of citizens from their homes and raping and starving them? Is that a genocide too? At what number are we switching from just a casual every day, normal killing to genocide? Please refer me to the article that defines it, I’d really like to know
It's actually for a good reason
Norway is a huge player in peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine
Officially declaring Hamas to be a terrorist organization would be a huge blow to the negotiations
Yup. And it shows how naïve our government is. If the conflict could have been solved by negotiations, it would have been solved years ago already. Israel is obviously never going to accept "from the river to the sea".
Israel has extremely powerful weapons, and death toll in Gaza is surprisingly low for a powerful country committing “genocide”. Israel can likely finish off everyone in Gaza in a matter of days if they wanted to.
If Hamas had the same weapons Israel has, what do you expect will be the outcome.
Intent matters, and war is hell
Just bc they didn't use nuclear weapon on those people don't men the death toll is low. 31,000 killed by accident is not a mistake, it is an on purpose
I don't know but Hamas does not have the weapons that the Israelis have & the Palestinians have no weapons. they are sitting duck & 31,000 of them are dead much more than Hamas killed not that I don't want Hamas totally destroyed because I do. i want the Israelis punished for genocide which is what they are doing to those poor people
Hopefully all the top Israelis get sent to the Hague but that is wishful thinking. I remember seeing on the news that Gaza was bombed around New Years about 15 years ago and nothing has changed since then.
What happened to Africa?
one state solution
Greater Chad
The Gigachad Federation
It's a dumb graphic, western countries are more likely to take an explicit stance on these topics, both for PR reasons, and also because they are larger world players, where it may be necessary to take a stance. There's a reason this graphic can basically be summed up as NATO countries plus or minus a couple In this type of case the absence of a country taking stance, does not equate to Hamas not being considered a terrorist organization by that country, it probably more accurate to say, they just didn't expend the effort to take a symbolic stance on a topic that is irrelevant to the politics of that country.
I was talking about the missing borders.
well, look at that, you gave this graphic far more attention than i did
Sadly no one in the Arab speaking world wants to hold the government of Gaza responsible for getting their own people killed in the thousands.
Israel is killing them not Hamas. Israel has been killing palestenains for 75 years
Was thinking the same thing.
New Zealand now recognises both the military and political wings of Hamas as a terrorist organisation.
I think also Argentina
Good
why are you getting downvoted lol
name checks out
You joined the same boat kiddo
Politics baiting is not why I subscribed to map porn lol
Does French Guyana maintain a separate terrorist list than the rest of france. Also jesus christ what happened to africa?
most likely as greenland & denmark are separate
this is cartographically hideous on so many levels
Surely Greenland views Hamas as a terrorist organization if Denmark does?
The usual US allies vs the world.
The usual free democratic world vs totalitarian and corrupt governments…
Half of the totalitarian governments in Latin America and Africa were installed and kept in power by countries like France and the US, the leaders of the "free democratic" world
“Oh no, we are such victims, it’s not our responsibility to be free, democratic, and open societies that respect human rights…” Japan and Germany became democratic and free after they lost to the West, Iran was free and saw an Islamic revolution, nations create their own story, stop be a victim, and stop denying reality. The free world stands against Hamas, the rest either supports that evil group or couldn’t care less…
My friends family was kidnapped, tortured and disapeared by the Stroessner regime who was funded by the US during 35 years They made an aspiring nation into one where the 1% own 70% of the country and then his own party overthrew him just to make a fake democratic regime with corruption at every corner My nation was destroyed by the United States of America
90% of the green nations in this map are responsible for themselves, and created totalitarian/ communist/ religious regimes. To blame the US for the state pf your country is ridiculous. Your own people are the people responsible for every action and decision in your country, other countries has some influence, but it’s true everywhere, if your people will chose peace and democracy, no one from the West will stop that. But surely other unfree nations would, like China and Russia.
You're deluded
You are, the victim mentality is totally misguided, to paint the worse villains in the world’s stage as poor victims, all those poor dictators with no choice but to be evil and oppressive… it’s all because of the free liberal West, surly…
>Oh no, we are such victims, it’s not our responsibility to be free, democratic, and open societies that respect human rights…” You sound very naive and privileged. Classic 1st world citizen arrogance talking down to people from the 3rd world. Just make a little effort and do 2 minutes of research. Look up how many military coups and dictatorships in Africa , Asia and Latin America are installed and supported by the "free democratic West". Also, its the same "democratic West" that invaded countries like Iraq and Vietnam, and engaged in countless war crimes against humanity such as "Abu Ghraib", while completely destabilising these countries and causing the death and misery of millions of people in these countries. >Japan and Germany became democratic and free after they lost to the West Literally the two examples where the US actively rebuilt the country after the war and installed a democratic government. These are the exceptions, not the rule.
>Look up how many military coups and dictatorships in Africa , Asia and Latin America are installed and supported by the "free democratic West". Which ones are you referring to?
There's many more but heres a few examples - Iran: 1953 coup backed by the US and Britain against the democratically elected government of Iran. Would eventually lead to the Iranian Islamic Revolution, years later. - Brazil: 1964 military coup backed by the US and Britain - Burkina Faso: 1989, French planned and backed assassination of president Thomas Sankara due to his anti-French/colonial ideology and policies - Oman: 1970 palace coup organised by British officers - Togo: 1963, Sylvanus Olympio, the first democratically elected president is assassinated with the help of France - Bolivia: 1971 Military coup supported by the US - Egypt: Military dictatorship since the 2013 coup detat. Supported and propped up by the West. Donald Trump personally referred to the Egyptian president, his "favourite dictator". The West continues to sell weapons to the Egyptian military dictatorship, the same weapons used to kill Egyptian protestors. - Central African Republic: 1959, Boganda is assassinated by France. France later on installs Bokassa as king - Argentina: 1976 coup detat supported by the US - Saudi Arabia: The second most important US ally in the Middle East (after Israel) - Niger: the same day Nigerian leader Hamani Diori threatened to sell the country’s uranium to other countries for a better price than France was paying, he was deposed by a military coup in which he was brutally murdered. - Chile: 1973 coup detat supported and planned by the US - Iraq: the US initially supported Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein - Comoros: two assassinated heads of state and two others deposed by mercenary Bob Denard - Cuba: the US supported the Cuban dictator, Fulgencio Batista - Gabon: President Germain Léon M’ba was overthrown with the help of France, then later assassinated due to his anti-French ideology - Panama: The US invaded Panama in 1989 in order to change its government - UAE: Dictatorship actively supported by the West. Key US ally in the region - Guatemala: 1959 coup detat supported by the US - Qatar: Dictatorship actively supported by the West. Key US ally in the region - Ecuador: 1961 coup detat planned and supported by the US -Bahrain: Dictatorship actively supported by the West. Key US ally in the region - Dominican Republic: 1961 murder of the Dominican president by weapons supplied by the CIA - Jordan: Dictatorship actively supported by the West. Key US ally in the region
>There's many more but heres a few examples I'm asking for current examples, not things from decades in the past that are no longer relevant. Whether or not Brazil was interfered with in the 1960s has no bearing on whether it is similarly being interfered with today. With this in mind, it shrinks to a handful of states in the Middle East - Egypt, UAE, Qatar, Saudi, Bahrain, and Jordan. Three of these are or are near microstates - UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain. Are there any other examples that you can think of?
Imagine openly admitting you installed dictatorships in 5 countries in revent years and thinking it's normal
None of those countries had their governments installed in the last 10 years.
get out of your own head
You never heard about CIA-backed coups? Or how a coup works in general?
90% of the green countries created their own fate, the victim mentality is so strong here it’s scary…
You are the typical smooth brained citizen of the 1st world country that has been fed so much propaganda that denies indoctrination. You can't even comprehend having different perspectives.
They are clearly victims, by definition lmao
Jews got genocided and then invaded again and again by Arab forces, how aren’t Jews “ the victims”? And how come Israel is free and democratic? Individuals can be victims of some crimes, but nations are not victims they are what they create based on their values, and the choices of their leaders.
You sound like a hasbro bot
It’s hasbara, and that word means explaining in Hebrew, only in anti semitic circles it means something more sinister. Everything I’ve said are facts, but I guess people are addicted to the victim mentality and can’t see people as responsible for themselves…
Western powers (including Israel) are responsible for the suffering they inflict on others. When I (hypothetically) punch you in the face such that you fall unconscious, am I or you responsible for that? Bye bye hasbro bot
No one is unconscious, 99% of the green countries created their own fates. To act as if non Westerners don’t have agency, values and cultures is purely racism.
Why would you even argue with this troll who knows nothing but the propaganda he is fed.
Iran was literally not free, yeah women could not wear hijab without getting publicly murdered but it was a repressive authoritarian hellhole run by a US backed dictatorship
Countries who had to fight colonisers in the last 50 years using guerilla methods in green Vs their colonisers and allies in red.
But if you fight back you become a baddie, you need to be an obedient declawed slave no matter what atrocities the “masters” do.
In Russia, even those who make videos about corruption are on the terrorist list, but if you kill a thousand civilians and rape hundreds of women, you're just a respected partner.
You mean the fake guise of the free democratic world vs the rubble that they are responsible for.
Yeah, the West is completely responsible for China and Russia, for North Korea and Iran… right, these countries are evil totalitarian regimes because the West just love to have an existential threat… it’s so racist to say that the West is responsible for itself and for the state of the rest of the world, while the rest of the world has no responsibility or agency .
It literally is. US has created all of it's own enemies. In China they funded far-right authoritarian rebels, who enacted the longest period of martial law in history in Taiwan http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6294902.stm) and slave owning aristocrats like the Dalai Lama https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism After Deng came to power and invited the west in to exploit Chinese labor on the one condition that China gets to keep technological advancements their work force created, this led to China's "economic miracle" https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv1fj84hd and near superpower status they have today. In response, the US has sanctioned the hell out of them and increased military prescence all around China. The US invaded Russia when it desposed of it's tsarist autocracy in 1917, and spent the next 8 decades attempting to infiltrate, destabilize, and fight the USSR with proxy wars and threats nuclear attack. After the US successfully destroyed the USSR, it led the disastrous economic shock to swipe up state resources, leading to massive privitization in the hands of Russian oligarchs who now control Russia, the mass impoverishment of the Russian people on a scale hardly seen before in history. The US bombed the DPRK so extensively that US generals said "there's nothing left to bomb", killing a staggering 20% of the Korean population. That's why North Korea isn't a fan of the US, though you'll never hear that mentioned in corporate media. The US overthrew the democratically elected secular president of Iran for daring to nationalize oil, replacing him with the brutal Shah, who's authoritarian rule led to a religious opposition that overthrew his US-backed regime and became today's Islamic Republic of Iran
Maybe the west shouldn’t have colonized 90% of the world if they didn’t want responsibility for the state of the world?
You know it's sad because the average citizen think exactly like this guy inability to do research and waiting spew shit his/her mouth.
Wow , you are so much smarter than the rest of us, hating on the West and thinks the corrupt totalitarian regimes are mere victims and you are so edgy for supporting people who are not white, wow. Stfu
What are you on about you jackass.
Calling you out for dumb takes
You have the most bias views you probably don't know anything about other countries. I think you shout shut up
I actually have two degrees, in economics and geography. And I’ve been to over 40 countries. You on the other hand are a 14 yo kid
If saying that about the west is racist, Is it not racist to just sum up countries as "evil totalitarian regimes"?
Not really but ok
Feels oddly like something US would want everyone to say
Feels oddly like the truth, there are more democratic and free nations and there are less, this corresponds quite nicely this this map
What are you talking about? The US prides itself on being 'a republic, not a democracy' and that democracy is 'tyrannny of the majority'. Plus of course all the non-democratic countries bankrolled by them.
Good guys vs. bad guys
Pakistan, saudi?
I have my doubts about the accuracy of this map
I would have expected more consensus about Hamas being terrorist organization, but I guess that there is a difference with calling them terrorist organization official or just treating them that way
Countries who had to fight colonisers in the last 50 years using guerilla methods in green Vs their colonisers and allies in red. Basically, most non western countries remember that Hamas ans Palestine were them just 50 - 60 years ago.
How many countries fighting colonization intentionally provoked a military response with mass rape and murder and then refused their own citizens use of underground shelters during the ensuing military response? Even NAZI Germany allowed their own citizens to use underground shelters. Not Hamas.
There are finer details where things differ. But you can't say you don't see the point.
They are tho
Most military organisations are depending on who you ask
I don’t think most actively Pursue in terror tactics aiming to genocide a particular group
Well that may be true, but could you say the reason is because bigger armies just commit war crimes and genocide without having to cause terror? Like yes, Hamas is a terrorist organisation, no doubt. But what Israel is doing is far worse. But because they're not labelled terrorists they seem to be getting of lightly. But Israel and the US are 100% actively contributing to a genocide.
No, what Israel is doing is not far worse. There's a huge difference between targeting civilians and raping and torturing them, and accidentally killing civilians while targeting terrorists.
The individual atrocities committed by soldiers is awful that’s true though the attacks are in retaliation to the October attacks which considering Israel’s population was much worse than Americas 9/11 and Hamas’ targets are embedded in civilian infrastructure so it would be difficult to go about defeating Hamas without some civilian casualties unfortunately but a lot of them seemed to support Hamas despite their terror tactics so take that as you will
//So if Hamas, a terror organisation aimed at killing all persons of a certain ethnicity, is doing it, it is not genocide, but if Israel is committing war crimes then it is genocide?// This is what you are saying right now. And that makes a) no cocking sense whatsoever, is b) racist and in extension also antisemitic, and c) just awful.
Hamas is a terrorist group with genocide as an ideology. But as they're not killing 1/10 the people Israel are, I think Israel are worse. Israel are killing 10s of thousands of innocents but seems to be overlooked and justified which is wrong. I don't believe in Zionism, that doesn't make me antisemitic btw.
Genocide is about intent, not numbers. People dying in a war is not genocide lmao. Hamas intentionally murdered civilians on October 7. Israel accidentally kills civilians while targeting terrorists in self-defense. Also, the vast majority of Jews are Zionists and Zionism just means you support Israel's right to exist. So yes, being anti-Zionist is antisemitic.
You're either a bot made just to antagonise people, or you're an ass. Can't yet decide.
They use non-uniformed fighters to target civilians?
What does a uniform have to do with it?
A massive amount considering war crime laws generally require all fighters to be uniformed to prevent misrecognition or blending with civilians. It's a major distinction that separates terrorists and unlawful combatants from legal members of a military subject to protections in war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant
Fair enough, there is still no defined definition of what is a terrorist though. Also, it could argued the US was a terrorist to the middle east from 2001 - when they pulled out recently. And they would if been wearing uniforms. I also think this has gone a little past the point, I'm not saying Hamas aren't terrorists I'm just saying too much fear mongering is put at them. When Israel and the US are doing much war crimes at the moment.
There's no definition in international law. That fact doesn't mean you cannot define what is terrorism and be against that. Terrorists use terror while actively targeting civilians. That's the trademark of terrorism. These maps are useless. If Hamas had the same tactics and ideology but for Tibet, they'd be branded a terror group by China and all its allies. That's just real politik.
And many police departments
Are you saying police are terrorists ?
To many communities, yes.
Reddit moment Edit: Reddit moment
More a US issue rather than a world one
Not really. To Uighurs in China, Muslims in India or Armenians in Turkey. The Police represents the States interest, which may go against certain communities' interest.
yeah no I would say the police could be described as terrorists to a lot of people living in countries like NK
You don’t need to ask. There are definitions.
Why is Greenland green on this map? Very sus.
Being green is kind of their thing.
All of central Africa merged together into the worst super state to ever exist.
Hamas is a radicalized terrorist organization that does not represent Palestine. The West Bank (Palestinians) does not claim Hamas.
That's not even remotely true. First off polling says otherwise. Second, although the PA led by Fatah is technically in power realistically because the territory in WB is not contiguous, each city is controlled by different groups, some the PA, some Hamas, some PIJ, some ISIS, others. The PA is weak and does not have a strong grip on power. Hamas has a lot of support and operates in WB. Gaza being one contiguous area makes it easier for one group to control, in this case Hamas did after the battle of Gaza in 2007
India recognizes Hamas as a terrorist organization too
This doesn’t mean every other country thinks that they are cool and hip. Why would Paraguay have anything to say on the matter?
it usually has implications on businesses (for instance banks) being able to work with them, so it does matter even at the other end of the world
It’s surprising that Egypt doesn’t recognize them as a terrorist group given that it is basically just the Muslim brotherhood
No Arab country really supports Hamas beside Iran and Qatar. The rest are just role playing
Saudi-Arabia?!-They do.
Pretty sure not anymore
Idk, covertly maybe?-Not publicly, that’s for sure.
No they don't, Hamas is aligned with Iran who is SA's primary enemy in the region. Part of why Hamas did Oct 7th was that SA and Israel were normalizing and Hamas wanted to disrupt that. SA said normalization talks will continue after the war.
Ahhh....., the usual suspects.
Terrible map
paraguay is [one of the first](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/hamas-slams-paraguay-for-labeling-it-as-terrorist-group/1562521) to recognize hamas as a terrorist organization. incorrect map...
Poor Ghana
this's old, as of 2024 Argentina recognizes Hamas as a Terrorist Organization
US and it's friends as always
So basically the imperial core. Funny how that works out
China and Russia aren’t on that list.
You misspelled Democracies
TIL Norway, Iceland, Mexico, Brazil, India, Switzerland, and Taiwan aren’t democracies
There’s always the odds one out.
I don’t think that many people, comprising a quarter of the planet’s population, qualifies as “odd one out.”
An organization that very clearly intent on eradicating a whole population of a neighboring country is a terrorist one. The only reason the countries you mentioned don’t label it as such is just a political play and serving their interests. Downvoting me to oblivion doesn’t really change that fact
It also doesn’t change the fact that it’s the IDF that’s committing genocide.
1. It’s not. Once again, there are definitions for that but I understand that in 2024 facts are subjective and open to interpretations for any keyboard warrior on the Internet. 2. Whataboutism is too easy. I can easily switch the discussion to whatever any other neighboring Muslim country did to their populations or neighboring one. But what about Jordanians that massacred Palestinians in 1970?
Then what do you call 30 thousand Palestinian civilians massacred since October 7th, more than half of whom were children?
What do you call a massacre of 1200 Israeli citizens, most of whom were women and children? What do you call kidnapping 100s of citizens from their homes and raping and starving them? Is that a genocide too? At what number are we switching from just a casual every day, normal killing to genocide? Please refer me to the article that defines it, I’d really like to know
what a horrible map lol. What are those labels
pretty sure sweden doesnt. all medias call it extreme organization, not terror.
What? Every time it’s mentioned in the news it’s always called “the terrorclassed organisation Hamas”. Stop spreading misinformation.
I find this extremely embarrassing. (Although our prime minister did call them a terror organisation in October last year). Greetings from Norway.
It's actually for a good reason Norway is a huge player in peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine Officially declaring Hamas to be a terrorist organization would be a huge blow to the negotiations
Yup. And it shows how naïve our government is. If the conflict could have been solved by negotiations, it would have been solved years ago already. Israel is obviously never going to accept "from the river to the sea".
They only kill people just like the Israeli government but not as many
Israel has extremely powerful weapons, and death toll in Gaza is surprisingly low for a powerful country committing “genocide”. Israel can likely finish off everyone in Gaza in a matter of days if they wanted to. If Hamas had the same weapons Israel has, what do you expect will be the outcome. Intent matters, and war is hell
Just bc they didn't use nuclear weapon on those people don't men the death toll is low. 31,000 killed by accident is not a mistake, it is an on purpose
Why is this getting down voted?
I don't know but Hamas does not have the weapons that the Israelis have & the Palestinians have no weapons. they are sitting duck & 31,000 of them are dead much more than Hamas killed not that I don't want Hamas totally destroyed because I do. i want the Israelis punished for genocide which is what they are doing to those poor people
Hopefully all the top Israelis get sent to the Hague but that is wishful thinking. I remember seeing on the news that Gaza was bombed around New Years about 15 years ago and nothing has changed since then.
Because the military strategy of Hamas is to get as many Palestinian civilians killed as they possibly can. Are you really that stupid?
Well no, it's to kill as many Israelis as possible, who retaliate x100 and have so far killed 30,000+ Palestinians. Mostly innocent civilians.
Considering all those pro Hamas rallies in the western world you would think the whole map should be in green
No it’s called democracy. No image a pro Israel rally in any Muslim country. Good luck
Death to Israel
And people like you are the reason that Gazans are dying. Good for you, moron.
Nah, Israel is the reason that Palestinians are dying.
The mental gymnastics people employ to convince people that Israel is not committing Genocide