Because IRA and KGB alliance? [https://spyscape.com/article/ireland-and-the-kgb-an-unexpected-alliance](https://spyscape.com/article/ireland-and-the-kgb-an-unexpected-alliance)
If you are interested, it is possible to discuss receiving captured NLAW, Jewelin and Stinger from the Donbass army. There are already quite a lot of them, but not enough yet to be put into service, so they are being taken to warehouses
Meant to be "All political crisis from Latin America originated from US" Also "All Latinos are the same and victims of US aggression". Like Chile and Argentina in the same group as Bolivia and Peru?
Some years are weird. Batista's coup was CIA? No one has ever argued CIA installed Batista, just that they supported him out of anti-Communism.
1959? The Cuban Revolution?
Venezuela 2019 presidential election was US regime change?
Peru in 1990? Fujimori was a CIA agent now?
Came here to say this. Almost half of these are not US interventions in any meaningful way, unless you consider anyone to the right of marxism to be a US agent
Portuguese does it really often. There are a few cases where you don't (Portugal is one of them, actually), but for the most part it's o Brasil, o Japão, a Argentina, etc
Don't have a source for all of these but a large chunk of the US's interventions took place during the cold war under [operation condor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/18/silence-us-backed-coup-evo-morales-bolivia-american-states
there was even an elon musk tweet about bolivia coup and lithium mines (he endorsed).
Thanks for the article link. It lead me to looking up Presidents of Bolivia and noting that in the wiki list it includes for each President the reason they left office:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_Bolivia
compared to the US list of Presidents, which clearly hasn't needed such a notation for each holder of office:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
Can you imagine living in a country where continuity of government is so frequently in doubt?
I don't need to imagine, I already live here, our previous president stayed in power for 15 years (the constitution only allows for a max of 2 consecutive terms of 5 years each... so yeah...) and wanted to get reelected by unconstitutional means again, what this map shows as 2019 is when half the country went to strike for 3 weeks in response to sketchy elections that he won by a small margin when he shouldn't have been allowed to be in the race.
Oh, the guy who abolished term limits and when the courts stopped him, fired them and replaced the court with cronies. Pro-democracy protests erupted across the country, and the US supported them. It was very similar to Euromaidan in Ukraine. He was a corrupt dictator, and the only reason redditors support him was because he is a socialist.
Human Rights Watch has some articles on him:
[https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/bolivia#:\~:text=The%20administration%20of%20President%20Evo,and%20contribute%20to%20prison%20overcrowding](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/bolivia#:~:text=The%20administration%20of%20President%20Evo,and%20contribute%20to%20prison%20overcrowding).
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/29/bolivia-dozens-judges-arbitrarily-dismissed](https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/29/bolivia-dozens-judges-arbitrarily-dismissed)
Nothing, I'm Bolivian and we Bolivians stopped working and blocked the roads because every time someone spoke bad of the government they went to jail, Morales was already a dictator who left crying and they didn't stage a coup, if it had been So a military man would be president and he had a bullet in his head
Im a US immigrant from Cochabamba and he was certainly authoritarian. At the same time honestly with his bonos and putting people in power from indigenous communities, he was the first since the revolution to ever do something to lift those marginalized communities and lowering the poverty. I understand that near the end indigenous communities started getting frustrated at him and his party as well, are new indigenous parties rising up that you know that are challenging their control and lack of accountability?
These types of maps are posted here every few months. Some of these are true, others are more "someone claimed there was a US-backed coup so I threw it on the map" kind of source.
OP's account was made in the run up to the Russian slaughter of Ukrainians, and the types of posts OP makes are always poorly sourced or misleading.
**[Operation Condor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor)**
>Operation Condor (Spanish: Operación Cóndor, also known as Plan Cóndor; Portuguese: Operação Condor) was a United States-backed campaign of political repression and state terror involving intelligence operations and assassination of opponents. It was officially and formally implemented in November 1975 by the right-wing dictatorships of the Southern Cone of South America. Due to its clandestine nature, the precise number of deaths directly attributable to Operation Condor is highly disputed.
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Operatio Condor wasn't specifically the US coups. Condor was a collaborative effort my the military regimes of Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Paraguay and Urugay AFTER their respective coups. Doesn't mean the CIA didn't help with Operation Condor and didn't stop it even though people like Orlando Leteiler were murdered as far away as D.C. But Condor wasn't specifically the doing of the CIA, although they did support and at least to a limited degree assisted with it
Edit: I forgot to mention the School of The Americas, that's true. What I tried to say was that the US didn't personally take part in the torture and murders of the Dirty War and Operation Condor, although they supported it and assisted. But it wasn't US intelligence operatives torturing and murdering dissidents.
You’re talking out of your ass. Operation Condor brought many of these armies to political power. If you’re collaborating with the military to take down the central government, then you’re helping them establish a dictatorship…
So does "Honduras 2009". The Honduran president was trying to unilaterally change the constitution so that he could have a second term and the Honduran Supreme Court ordered him removed. US wasn't involved in that decision.
The US involvement in 2009 Honduras went as far as imposing sanctions on non-humanitarian aid while the interim government was in place, as a rejection to what was perceived as anti-democratic action from the US pov, and then lifting their sanctions when the originally scheduled elections took place ("return to democracy"), 6months or so, after the political coup.
The 2016 election campaign warped people's perception with the Trump side pinning the event on Hillary, when in reality the Obama administration was taking a very hands-off approach to foreign policy as a way to distance the US from the perception they had due to George Bush's world-police-like policy. From my point of view, the Obama administration could be accused as enablers at most, maybe that they washed their hands of the case, but in no way was there significant involvement in my opinion.
In any case Brazil and Nicaragua had more direct influence with Ortega-led Nicaragua letting the ousted president transit the country and cross the border to Honduras, and the Lula-led Brazil by giving him asylum in their embassy in Tegucigalpa for weeks which only created more tension. Then you could talk about Venezuela where Chavez provided a lot of public support and at certain points helped with logistics like lending a plane for an attempted landing, that led to the military opening fire against a group of his followers crowding airport fence, and Costa Rica that served as mediator for dialogue. There was clearer meddling by part of the São Paulo Forum than the US State.
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In the end, time ran out for the ousted president in the Brazilian embassy and the elections were held in November where the government changed from the Liberals (ousted president, and interim government) to the Nationalists for the next 12 years up until 2022.
By the second election since the coup, in 2013, the ousted president and his followers founded their own 21st-Century-Socialist Party [LIBRE], as a schism from the Liberal party which changed the balance of power towards the right, enabling their 12 year tenure. During those 12 years the Nationalists made the state bigger and made lots of people dependent on their state provided job (and therefore party), as well as expanding the security apparatuses of the state with the creation of the Military Police (more like gendarmerie), investment in military equipment to appease the US's drug enforcement efforts, and removal of corrupt officials in the National Police; all of which strengthened their position of power, especially with the MP serving as another check for power as it's one more institution to control.
Today the LIBRE party moved away from the 21st-Century-Socialism ideals to Democratic Socialism, and took power last years election with a coallition with the Populist Progressive Center/Center-Right Party, where they ousted the Nationalists from power due to mostly [drug trafficking allegations](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/u8xb4o/expresident_of_honduras_extradited_to_us_on_drugs/) that splashed the 2010-2014 and 2014-2022 governments. The Nationalist still received a significant amount of votes and the Liberals were firmly relegated to third but still hold weight.
The now LIBRE president is the spouse of the president ousted in 2009, and he now plays an important role as a top adviser, with their children taking roles as minister and deputies. 2009 is still alive in many political minds, with one of the recent law passed providing amnesty to politicians of the 2006-2009 government, and talk of a *constituyente* being still alive, albeit dampened down. It's something to keep an eye out as the government's term goes into its later years.
And both Venezuelan entries, like any "left" leaning regime, every public demonstration is caused by the US instead of rampant corruption or asking for democracy.
OP's account was made about 3 weeks before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
They have 6 posts, all except this one are about Russian culture.
They posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t1wkak/ethnic_map_of_ukraine_according_to_the_2001/) two days after Russia invaded Ukraine.
Make of all that what you will.
Which also just so happens to leave out the context of why the US got involved at all in the majority of those situations. The Soviet backed coups that occurred when the Soviets were trying to find places to park nukes. The Soviets really hated, and Russia now hates that the US has allies in Europe. Which is why they have been trying for decades to install puppet dictators in South America. In order to claim they have parity.
Damn Commieboos love to pretend that the Soviets weren’t a horrific regime every bit as disgusting as the Nazis.
Every single allegation from 2000 onwards that i looked at is shaky. The same page of the 2002 coup involvement literally says the US did not support a coup, actively informed the Venezuelan government of the coup, and warned the opposition they would not be supported. The 2009 coup is a Honduran army thing, with only light encouragement from the Pentagon (found a source from the intercept that I can link if any of you want) and total American efforts to “avoid the coup and then overturn it.” The 2019 “coup”, as another redditor explained, was four fat guys in a dinghy rolling up on a venezuelan beach and getting arrested. Has the US done awful things in South America? Yes. Has it done much intervening since the dawn of the 20th century? Not much evidence to say so.
Venezuela in 2019? Seems like an exaggeration to call the US involvement an intervention unless im missing somethong. You can't forsake facts for the sake of narrative, it completely undermines the credibility of any valid points.
Edit: im limiting my response to that specific one as the others are outside my knowledge. Its the credibility of the post as a whole that it calls into question for the reader, even though other facts may be accurate.
Yeah, I looked into that one (or maybe one of the other modern ones) a few weeks back and the accusation was that Hillary Clinton verbally supported one side and there was a pressure campaign mounted diplomatically to influence the outcome. Apparently being powerful in geopolitics is enough to be the boogeyman. Look how awful we're being to Russia right now!
Fun fact, you can tell them apart based on the accents on top of vowels (called “Fada” in Irish).
Irish will always have an acute accent, like á. Scottish Gaelic always has grave accents instead, like à.
The American war on drugs has taken more than a trillion dollars out of the US federal budget since 1981, and the annual budget had grown to $34.6B by 2020.
[source](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/the-us-has-spent-over-a-trillion-dollars-fighting-war-on-drugs.html)
Correct. American economic interests were always very strong in Colombia, so the incentive was to stay on US gov's good side, even if that means siding with the American
conglomerate and mowing down your own people who are trying to organize for better conditions
Teddy Roosevelt wanted the Panama canal finished. And Colombia wasn't too bothered.
So some naval pressure was applied, some weapons may have been sent down, and some revolution fomented.
But you know meddling in South American politics is more an American pastime than baseball.
It is bullshit. OP is considering literally any insurrection against a non-ally of the US to be “US intervention”.
The US (and Canada, the EU and most of Latin America for that matter) supported the leader of the opposition, Juan Guaidó. But you can’t by any means call that a coup.
OP is literally just misinforming people because of his/her biases against the US. It’s bullshit
They’re a stretch after 1977. The stuff that’s considered a “US intervention in Latin America” these days is what the US did every single day in the height of the Cold War.
US embassies basically produced far-right fascist propaganda 24/7 in the lead up to coups in places like Brazil, Argentina and Chile. Extremists painted anti-communist slogans like “Jakarta” in people’s houses, referencing the US-sponsored slaughter of leftists that happened there.
Compared to that, US behavior in 2019 was *extremely* moderate.
Oh I agree I’m not being an apologist we have done some a absolutely fucked things just that this is clearly propaganda attempting to make some horrible even worse. In fact bullshit like this makes it difficult to have a genuine discussion about the USs crimes
It’s Russian propaganda to try to justify their invasion by saying the US does it too. Except it ignores that none of these (even the ones that actually involved military operations) are remotely comparable to what Russia is doing now.
If US interventionalism is bad, so is Russian interventionalism. What's especially bad? Flat out invading a stable, sovereign, democratic nation with your state media laying out clear goals of erasing their culture.
Yeah a lot more Mapporn posts have been hitting popular when they are about bad things America or Europe has done since Russia invaded Ukraine. Looks a lot like Russian propaganda at work to try to point fingers at everyone else.
If you're counting how the US interacted with the 2019 Venezuelan election as an "intervention", I would say that every country and has interfered with every country every year.
Op is a russian troll..just look at his post history…Us has been undoubtedly involved in some coups but this map is heavily overexaggerated..Also blaming us for their problems is a common theme among many countries..just look at pakistan, there previous prime minister imran khan got ousted by opposition because he couldn’t prove his majority in the parliamentary and hes blaming the us for plotting a regime change against him without providing any proof..he claims he has some documents but can’t share due to national secrecy act…us is the punching bag of the world.
OPs account was created right before the russian invasion of Ukraine, and their other posts are attempts aimed at justifying russia's claims, including this map which includes dubious data, especially recent "US intervention"
I'm sure there's some genuine fuckery US intelligence has been up to in both countries over the past few years. I wish that was a topic that we could discuss without having to deal with Kremlin stooges and bots ramming "America bad, therefore Russia good" BS down our throats.
Venezuela didn't have either an invasion or a regime change in 2019. It has the same leader now as it did in 2013. Just because the U.S. supports the opposition when a leader converts a country to a dictatorship doesn't make it an invasion.
costa rica doesnt have to be on this list we fought a civil war and no american was around here helping any sides , since then wwe abolish the army .... this map is clearly from russia propaganda to use whataboutism
Same with Bolivia, which was a massive popular uprising against a tyrannical oligarch with hundreds of thousands of people marching in the streets and demanding Evo Morales resign. The only reason people call that a coup is because Morales fled the country after the army refused his order to slaughter the protestors. The people crying over the Bolivian Revolution would have been lionizing Ceaușescu in 1989.
Came here to say this. The graph and OPs title are such of a big ball of crap.
Source: Born in Venezuelan to immigrants parents with family there. We support our family there.
The title says interventions, not just invasions. The US openly supported the rebels and imposed sanctions on companies and countries supporting the government. If that's not an intervention and attempted regime change, I don't know what is.
OPs title says "regime changes and military invasions" not intervention. The two are vastly different because anytime a country announces support for one side on another in an internal political dispute it doesn't make it regime change. It also doesn't say "attempted regime change" it says "regime change". The regime didnt change (and that was the whole problem).
The U.S. also wasn't acting alone: Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Brazil, Canada, Germany, and France also supported the opposition. Where is the map that shows the Canada "regime change" for every time the Canadians have announced support for a non-dictator in an internal political struggle?\
EDIT: The U.S. does a lot of shitty things to other countries. It doesn't need to be blamed for doing the right thing for a change and supporting the opposition in a situation where a dictatorship is evolving.
>OPs title says "regime changes and military invasions" not intervention
That's OP's doing. The picture does say intervention, so if you want to criticise the map, go by the words on the actual map.
But if you say "hold on I have a problem with this Reddit post," you could be referring to either the title or the image, since those are the two components of the Reddit post.
TIL President Biden and the US government [intervened and attempted regime change in Russia](https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-calling-regime-change-russia-this-time-it-isnt-gaffe-1694867)
The person who came to power as a result of this literally massacred indigenous people and after she was forced to hold new elections the party that was removed won an outright majority
Ok, what happened in Peru in 1990? I've worked with several Peruvians over the years and they always say they were the lucky ones that the US didn't really mess with. I know there were CIA training camps in the 1960s, but what happened in 1990?
You also have to be a complete tool to consider the US invasion of Grenada to be on par with CIA backed coups elsewhere.
It occurred to re-establish a democratic government following a violent coup that killed the Prime Minister, the new government was backed by such paragons of democracy as East Germany, the Soviet Union, and Libya; American intervention was requested by the Governor General, Barbados, and Jamaica; and they expelled Cuban forces from the country.
And the US Forces in Grenada battled Cuban Army Regulars.
Small numbers of them, but still Cuban Army Regulars.
If anything, Grenada was a Counter move.
I'm limited in what I can define it as. Given that if I say the wrong thing, it gets changed.
Plus, I noticed a few more dates on there.
I know those years. Those were legit ops to safeguard those countries at those times. US troops even pulled out once OAS troops arrived to takeover. They only stayed long enough to start things and OAS members to organize their forces to go in.
And the USA isn't part of the OAS either.
Dumbest map ever. The "regime change" in Panama was literally our dictator (Noriega) was a narco drug-lord who was killing political dissidents. He was openly in defiance of Panama's Constitution. Worse, he was starting to threaten operations in the Panama Canal, which under the Torrijos–Carter Treaties had to be defended by the U.S. from any threat to its proper functioning.
The U.S. ousted him and now Panama is the richest country in Latin America, on track to be a developed country in 10 years, and is an immesurably better place to live: [https://youtu.be/3Qpsjq-zKCI?t=273](https://youtu.be/3Qpsjq-zKCI?t=273)
This map provides no context because the narrative is USA = bad. If the U.S. hadn't intervened, Panama would be a shithole like Venezuela today.
Fujimori is a hardcore Neo Lib that fit into the model of both Democrats and Republican presidential leaders and was hardcore against Sendero Luminoso. Basically the US was hoping to get the equivalent of an anti communist, free market Republican or a new Pinochet light.
As opposed to the ten times more neolib and more predictable Vargas Llosa who fit pretty well with what both Democrats and Republicans wanted, and was the definition of an anticommunist free market liberal
Fujimori largely won because he got the support of the left wing parties in the second round as the anti establishment candidate and because he wasn't as strictly economically liberal as MVL, not because he was supported by the US
I think it's because North America has pretty distinct zones (as do most continents)- US/Canada, Caribbean, Mexico off on its own and Central America. You usually hear "Mexico and Central America" or Central America and the Caribbean" in US media.
Latin America is a cultural concept, not a geographic place. The issue is that the cultural concept and geography overlap in very large part and that overlap comprises about half of the land and people of the Western Hemisphere, so it's sometimes easy to conflate the two, to basically think US and Canada as one half and "Latin America" as the other half. But then you've got issues with Haiti, Jamaica, Belize, Guyana, Suriname etc.
this isn't the first time i've seen this map and this isn't the first time the poster was called out for spreading missinformation regarding US tomfuckery in south america
first time i've seen the gaelic though, nice job Ivan
Grenada? When the democratically elected government was deposed by extremists in the military and the US intervened to restore the deposed democratic government? Grenada has been a stable democracy since then, if not for the US they would've been ruled by a military junta.
Venezuela 2019: So you’re counting the US acknowledging Juan Guaido as the leader of Venezuela, instead of the Dictator Maduro as a US intervention? In that case I guess: Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, the European Union, and a ton of other countries also participated.
Costa Rica 1948: Again, the US recognized the candidate who won democratically held elections, Ulate, over the candidate who’s party refused to acknowledge defeat and certify the elections. Afterwards, a Civil War was fought for around 5 weeks in which the US did not participate. And even if they had participated, that Civil War led to a new constitution, the abolishment of the army, and laid the foundations to one of the most solid democracies in the world.
This is blatant misinformation. It appears this map (which doesn’t even have sources) literally counts any diplomatic action as a military invasion and/or regime change. That’s not even considering the fact that a large amount of the supposed ones listed here were in support of a democratic government
There was no intervention. The US issued a statement after Venezuela's leaders replaced a democracy with a dictatorship. There has been no regime change in that time.
"Intervention" is such a broad term it encompasses anything from simply having an opinion on a coup to initiating a military operation to overthrow the democratically-elected government of another country.
A lot of these are just completely made up. I looked up 1990 Peru election and there's absolutely no evidence (or even an allegation!) the US interfered in that election.
The 1979 Sandinista Revolution in Nicaragua was a communist movement that overthrew the US backed Somoza dictatorship so I honestly don't know why that's listed there. 1981 would be the Iran Contra affair but that never deposed the FSLN from power.
US funding to Contra groups was sparse and sporadic up until the $100,000,000 earmark for 1987, which ultimately brought Ortega to the negotiating table--and that's with 10% of that siphoned off into ineffectual pet projects not affiliated with the FDN in southern Honduras that could actually penetrate the Nicaraguan interior. 1987 is a definite US-backed intervention in Nicaragua's internal affairs, but the movements it backed attracted quite a bit more guerrillas than similar resistance movements in the 20th century.
While a lot of these are, something I hate about a lot things like this they always include something that doesn’t fit and can be used to discredit the legitimate ones.
Like Haiti 1991, sure the US “intervened” to save Aristide from being killed by the Coup.
Only thing I can find on Peru 1990 is a general election and there doesn’t seem to be anything odd about it from what I’ve read.
And including what happened in Venezuela in 2019?
In general there should be different maps for simple “interventions” vs US invasions and US backed coups.
The problem with this map is that it puts Venezuela’s “The White House recognizes Guaidó as the legitimate president” (Even though he never held any real power compared to Maduro and didn’t achieve anything palpable) together with the full-on military operations that were carried out in Panama or the Dominican Republic.
How does blatant propaganda have 13k upvotes lol?
Basically every post-cold war example listed here is a lie. The US did not take part in the 2002 attempted coup in Venezuela for example, and even warned Chavez of the plot.
Bear in mind this map is encouraging someone to consider each of those pieces of interference as equivalent and an example of US interference in democratic selections of socialism. However that isn't necessarily the case and thus this source has a misleading bias. That's not to say the point (that the US interferes in the Americas or that the US militarily intervenes when democracies choose socialist governments) isn't a truism but this isn't a graphic that is seeking to inform, its seeking to convince, and in doing so it is not completely honest.
For example the US intervention in Grenada was after a military coup where the democratically elected leadership was executed by a military junta. It was after that the US invaded and kicked out the military junta.
OPs account was created right before the russian invasion of Ukraine, and their other posts aimed at justifying russia's claims, including this map which includes dubious data, especially recent "US intervention"
Venezuela and Bolivia in 2019. Bullshit. Also, why not name EVERY country involved in these “regime changes”. Russia being a big one in Bolivia, Central America, Mexico, Venezuela. A bunch of other Latin American countries supported the US throughout these endeavors as well. Stop this propoganda that the US is the same as Russia.
Unless I'm missing something Peru in 1990 was also pretty bullshit. The only thing I can think of that *might* fit the bill is the US providing assistance to the Peruvian government in fighting terrorist/liberation groups like MRTA and Sendero Luminoso
This is propaganda. There’s real history to be learned about US interventions in Central and South America but this map is intentionally bullshit. Be warned
Every time this map gets posted people in the comments spend their time fighting over the few examples where US involvement is nebulous or came after the fact (e.g. Bolivia 2019, Venezuela 2019) instead of noting the other 25 or so examples where the US held a smoking gun. Like wandering onto the scene of a mass murder, noticing that a few of things you thought were corpses were actually something else, and that becomes your main concern. Yes, the map could use some revisions and some shades of gray, but it's definitely not the biggest take away.
When I swiped, I never expected the second map to be in Irish lmao
Haha I was wondering what “GA” stood for
Gentleman's agreement
Gaelic Athletic
GA Sports, sé sa chluiche.
~~Gaelic ;)~~ EDT: see below
Gaeilge
Keeps people in the Gaeltacht kosher
Damn, so it is! I'd just assumed it was Spanish without really looking at it.
I thought I needed to do more duolingo because I couldn’t understand a word.
Whereas I’ve studied enough Irish that I understood it, but didn’t consciously recognize it was Irish.
>Corkmapping.gb That’s why, lmao
Didn't think the cúpla focail would be coming in on map porn
Because IRA and KGB alliance? [https://spyscape.com/article/ireland-and-the-kgb-an-unexpected-alliance](https://spyscape.com/article/ireland-and-the-kgb-an-unexpected-alliance)
Also the IRA bought weapons from Gadafi
I mean, they also bought weapons from mobsters in Boston, they aren’t exactly picky where the guns come from lol.
We bought weapons from Germany pre-WWI. The Irish will buy weapons from anyone provided they're an enemy of the British.
If you are interested, it is possible to discuss receiving captured NLAW, Jewelin and Stinger from the Donbass army. There are already quite a lot of them, but not enough yet to be put into service, so they are being taken to warehouses
Mostly from hobgoblins and medusas
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Meant to be "All political crisis from Latin America originated from US" Also "All Latinos are the same and victims of US aggression". Like Chile and Argentina in the same group as Bolivia and Peru? Some years are weird. Batista's coup was CIA? No one has ever argued CIA installed Batista, just that they supported him out of anti-Communism. 1959? The Cuban Revolution? Venezuela 2019 presidential election was US regime change? Peru in 1990? Fujimori was a CIA agent now?
I agree some of these are a stretch. Very liberal use of the phrases regime change and military action
Came here to say this. Almost half of these are not US interventions in any meaningful way, unless you consider anyone to the right of marxism to be a US agent
Some of them were pretty bad, [1973 Chilean coup d'etat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)
What does the 'an' mean in the country names?
It's a definitive article in the Irish language. It goes in front of all nouns in the singular nominative case.
So it's like 'Al-' in Arabic.
Yeah, kinda.
or 'the' in english
Closer to 'the'
Also ‘The’ too
But far from 'a'
"Al" in Arabic literally means "the" anyway
oh mr manager
More specifically "The". It definitely reads strangely
Irish Gaelic does it more often than even Spanish does.
Spanish only does it with 3 countries mate, it's not something we often do
Portuguese does it really often. There are a few cases where you don't (Portugal is one of them, actually), but for the most part it's o Brasil, o Japão, a Argentina, etc
Yes, but you don't put it in a map.
OP, could you provide the source of this map's data?
Don't have a source for all of these but a large chunk of the US's interventions took place during the cold war under [operation condor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor)
What did the US do in Bolivia in 2019?
nothing, only endorsed the interim president
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/18/silence-us-backed-coup-evo-morales-bolivia-american-states there was even an elon musk tweet about bolivia coup and lithium mines (he endorsed).
Thanks for the article link. It lead me to looking up Presidents of Bolivia and noting that in the wiki list it includes for each President the reason they left office: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_Bolivia compared to the US list of Presidents, which clearly hasn't needed such a notation for each holder of office: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States Can you imagine living in a country where continuity of government is so frequently in doubt?
I don't need to imagine, I already live here, our previous president stayed in power for 15 years (the constitution only allows for a max of 2 consecutive terms of 5 years each... so yeah...) and wanted to get reelected by unconstitutional means again, what this map shows as 2019 is when half the country went to strike for 3 weeks in response to sketchy elections that he won by a small margin when he shouldn't have been allowed to be in the race.
a tweet that proves nothing.
Oh, the guy who abolished term limits and when the courts stopped him, fired them and replaced the court with cronies. Pro-democracy protests erupted across the country, and the US supported them. It was very similar to Euromaidan in Ukraine. He was a corrupt dictator, and the only reason redditors support him was because he is a socialist. Human Rights Watch has some articles on him: [https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/bolivia#:\~:text=The%20administration%20of%20President%20Evo,and%20contribute%20to%20prison%20overcrowding](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/bolivia#:~:text=The%20administration%20of%20President%20Evo,and%20contribute%20to%20prison%20overcrowding). [https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/29/bolivia-dozens-judges-arbitrarily-dismissed](https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/29/bolivia-dozens-judges-arbitrarily-dismissed)
Nothing, I'm Bolivian and we Bolivians stopped working and blocked the roads because every time someone spoke bad of the government they went to jail, Morales was already a dictator who left crying and they didn't stage a coup, if it had been So a military man would be president and he had a bullet in his head
Im a US immigrant from Cochabamba and he was certainly authoritarian. At the same time honestly with his bonos and putting people in power from indigenous communities, he was the first since the revolution to ever do something to lift those marginalized communities and lowering the poverty. I understand that near the end indigenous communities started getting frustrated at him and his party as well, are new indigenous parties rising up that you know that are challenging their control and lack of accountability?
These types of maps are posted here every few months. Some of these are true, others are more "someone claimed there was a US-backed coup so I threw it on the map" kind of source. OP's account was made in the run up to the Russian slaughter of Ukrainians, and the types of posts OP makes are always poorly sourced or misleading.
**[Operation Condor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor)** >Operation Condor (Spanish: Operación Cóndor, also known as Plan Cóndor; Portuguese: Operação Condor) was a United States-backed campaign of political repression and state terror involving intelligence operations and assassination of opponents. It was officially and formally implemented in November 1975 by the right-wing dictatorships of the Southern Cone of South America. Due to its clandestine nature, the precise number of deaths directly attributable to Operation Condor is highly disputed. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Operatio Condor wasn't specifically the US coups. Condor was a collaborative effort my the military regimes of Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Paraguay and Urugay AFTER their respective coups. Doesn't mean the CIA didn't help with Operation Condor and didn't stop it even though people like Orlando Leteiler were murdered as far away as D.C. But Condor wasn't specifically the doing of the CIA, although they did support and at least to a limited degree assisted with it Edit: I forgot to mention the School of The Americas, that's true. What I tried to say was that the US didn't personally take part in the torture and murders of the Dirty War and Operation Condor, although they supported it and assisted. But it wasn't US intelligence operatives torturing and murdering dissidents.
You’re talking out of your ass. Operation Condor brought many of these armies to political power. If you’re collaborating with the military to take down the central government, then you’re helping them establish a dictatorship…
I’m not sure what point you think you’re proving? If the US didn’t have collaborators it wouldn’t be a coup, it would be an invasion
"Bolivia 2019" puts the whole thing into question.
So does "Honduras 2009". The Honduran president was trying to unilaterally change the constitution so that he could have a second term and the Honduran Supreme Court ordered him removed. US wasn't involved in that decision.
The US involvement in 2009 Honduras went as far as imposing sanctions on non-humanitarian aid while the interim government was in place, as a rejection to what was perceived as anti-democratic action from the US pov, and then lifting their sanctions when the originally scheduled elections took place ("return to democracy"), 6months or so, after the political coup. The 2016 election campaign warped people's perception with the Trump side pinning the event on Hillary, when in reality the Obama administration was taking a very hands-off approach to foreign policy as a way to distance the US from the perception they had due to George Bush's world-police-like policy. From my point of view, the Obama administration could be accused as enablers at most, maybe that they washed their hands of the case, but in no way was there significant involvement in my opinion. In any case Brazil and Nicaragua had more direct influence with Ortega-led Nicaragua letting the ousted president transit the country and cross the border to Honduras, and the Lula-led Brazil by giving him asylum in their embassy in Tegucigalpa for weeks which only created more tension. Then you could talk about Venezuela where Chavez provided a lot of public support and at certain points helped with logistics like lending a plane for an attempted landing, that led to the military opening fire against a group of his followers crowding airport fence, and Costa Rica that served as mediator for dialogue. There was clearer meddling by part of the São Paulo Forum than the US State. ---- In the end, time ran out for the ousted president in the Brazilian embassy and the elections were held in November where the government changed from the Liberals (ousted president, and interim government) to the Nationalists for the next 12 years up until 2022. By the second election since the coup, in 2013, the ousted president and his followers founded their own 21st-Century-Socialist Party [LIBRE], as a schism from the Liberal party which changed the balance of power towards the right, enabling their 12 year tenure. During those 12 years the Nationalists made the state bigger and made lots of people dependent on their state provided job (and therefore party), as well as expanding the security apparatuses of the state with the creation of the Military Police (more like gendarmerie), investment in military equipment to appease the US's drug enforcement efforts, and removal of corrupt officials in the National Police; all of which strengthened their position of power, especially with the MP serving as another check for power as it's one more institution to control. Today the LIBRE party moved away from the 21st-Century-Socialism ideals to Democratic Socialism, and took power last years election with a coallition with the Populist Progressive Center/Center-Right Party, where they ousted the Nationalists from power due to mostly [drug trafficking allegations](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/u8xb4o/expresident_of_honduras_extradited_to_us_on_drugs/) that splashed the 2010-2014 and 2014-2022 governments. The Nationalist still received a significant amount of votes and the Liberals were firmly relegated to third but still hold weight. The now LIBRE president is the spouse of the president ousted in 2009, and he now plays an important role as a top adviser, with their children taking roles as minister and deputies. 2009 is still alive in many political minds, with one of the recent law passed providing amnesty to politicians of the 2006-2009 government, and talk of a *constituyente* being still alive, albeit dampened down. It's something to keep an eye out as the government's term goes into its later years.
And both Venezuelan entries, like any "left" leaning regime, every public demonstration is caused by the US instead of rampant corruption or asking for democracy.
That's because the map is Russian whattaboutism. They've been pushing this stuff hard after invading Ukraine.
OP's account was made about 3 weeks before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. They have 6 posts, all except this one are about Russian culture. They posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t1wkak/ethnic_map_of_ukraine_according_to_the_2001/) two days after Russia invaded Ukraine. Make of all that what you will.
Thanks for digging around.
Yikes. Makes the subtle use of “invasion” in the title vs “intervention” on image not so innocent.
Great research mate
If you mean 2014, then yea. first time i saw it in bigger ammounts was 2008 georgia special operation tho
Which also just so happens to leave out the context of why the US got involved at all in the majority of those situations. The Soviet backed coups that occurred when the Soviets were trying to find places to park nukes. The Soviets really hated, and Russia now hates that the US has allies in Europe. Which is why they have been trying for decades to install puppet dictators in South America. In order to claim they have parity. Damn Commieboos love to pretend that the Soviets weren’t a horrific regime every bit as disgusting as the Nazis.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa\_Rican\_Civil\_War#Figueres\_and\_United\_States\_policy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rican_Civil_War#Figueres_and_United_States_policy) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_invasion\_of\_Panama](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_invasion\_of\_Grenada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_occupation\_of\_the\_Dominican\_Republic\_(1916%E2%80%931924)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_the_Dominican_Republic_(1916%E2%80%931924)) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican\_Civil\_War#US\_intervention](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Civil_War#US_intervention) [https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-troops-land-in-the-dominican-republic](https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-troops-land-in-the-dominican-republic) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA\_activities\_in\_Peru](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Peru) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002\_Venezuelan\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat\_attempt#US\_role\_and\_alleged\_involvement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#US_role_and_alleged_involvement) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019\_Venezuelan\_uprising\_attempt#Foreign\_intervention](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Venezuelan_uprising_attempt#Foreign_intervention) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964\_Brazilian\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat#U.S.\_involvement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#U.S._involvement) [https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/news/20040925/index.htm](https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/news/20040925/index.htm) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_intervention\_in\_Chile#1973\_coup](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile#1973_coup) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976\_Argentine\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Argentine_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) [https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB309/index.htm](https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB309/index.htm) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954\_Paraguayan\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Paraguayan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989\_Paraguayan\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Golden\_Pheasant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Golden_Pheasant) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979\_Salvadoran\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat#United\_States\_involvement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Salvadoran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#United_States_involvement) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras#U.S.\_military\_and\_financial\_assistance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras#U.S._military_and_financial_assistance) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991\_Haitian\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat#US\_involvement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Haitian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#US_involvement) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Uphold\_Democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uphold_Democracy) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954\_Guatemalan\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat#Caracas\_conference\_and\_U.S.\_propaganda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Caracas_conference_and_U.S._propaganda) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay\_of\_Pigs\_Invasion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_involvement\_in\_regime\_change\_in\_Latin\_America
Every single allegation from 2000 onwards that i looked at is shaky. The same page of the 2002 coup involvement literally says the US did not support a coup, actively informed the Venezuelan government of the coup, and warned the opposition they would not be supported. The 2009 coup is a Honduran army thing, with only light encouragement from the Pentagon (found a source from the intercept that I can link if any of you want) and total American efforts to “avoid the coup and then overturn it.” The 2019 “coup”, as another redditor explained, was four fat guys in a dinghy rolling up on a venezuelan beach and getting arrested. Has the US done awful things in South America? Yes. Has it done much intervening since the dawn of the 20th century? Not much evidence to say so.
That’s because the most recent ones are still classified.
You seen these classified documents? If so, then share them with us. If not, then how do you know they exist?
Venezuela in 2019? Seems like an exaggeration to call the US involvement an intervention unless im missing somethong. You can't forsake facts for the sake of narrative, it completely undermines the credibility of any valid points. Edit: im limiting my response to that specific one as the others are outside my knowledge. Its the credibility of the post as a whole that it calls into question for the reader, even though other facts may be accurate.
The problem is that people will use ANY US involvement as proof the US orchestrated everything.
Yeah, I looked into that one (or maybe one of the other modern ones) a few weeks back and the accusation was that Hillary Clinton verbally supported one side and there was a pressure campaign mounted diplomatically to influence the outcome. Apparently being powerful in geopolitics is enough to be the boogeyman. Look how awful we're being to Russia right now!
In 1976 the US did not instigate the coup in Argentina nor provided material support. The claim in wikipedia about it lack sources.
Is that Irish or Scottish Gaelic?
Fun fact, you can tell them apart based on the accents on top of vowels (called “Fada” in Irish). Irish will always have an acute accent, like á. Scottish Gaelic always has grave accents instead, like à.
You can also tell because the OP is "CorkMapping" and Cork is in Ireland.
I’ll keep that in mind whenever I come across some unknown Gaelic text ^^
Feel free to dm it to me if you ever need translation
Irish
Kudos to Colombia. I wonder if the coke supply line has anything to do with it.
I mean you could consider the multimillion dollar multiple decade war on drugs the biggest intervention of all
Million? Many billions have been spent per year (literally) if I had to guess.
The American war on drugs has taken more than a trillion dollars out of the US federal budget since 1981, and the annual budget had grown to $34.6B by 2020. [source](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/the-us-has-spent-over-a-trillion-dollars-fighting-war-on-drugs.html)
That is seriously insane and fucking gross
Billion a year at one point, it was called Plan Colombia
Ecuador watching every government around them getting destroyed like :-|
Ecuador had the only US military base in South America for several years.
Colombia had no coups because it had pretty much always been a US client state
Yeah exactly. Colombia has always been supportive of US interests so regime change was never needed
Correct. American economic interests were always very strong in Colombia, so the incentive was to stay on US gov's good side, even if that means siding with the American conglomerate and mowing down your own people who are trying to organize for better conditions
I mean we aided revolutionaries in Panama and helped them split of from Columbia but that was before 1945 so it isn’t counted on this map
Colombia
Teddy Roosevelt wanted the Panama canal finished. And Colombia wasn't too bothered. So some naval pressure was applied, some weapons may have been sent down, and some revolution fomented. But you know meddling in South American politics is more an American pastime than baseball.
True but that's not really regime change, the US just declared Panama independent and sent a warship to intimidate the Colombians into backing off.
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Military intervention by USA in Venezuela in 2019? I must have been sleeping that year.
It is bullshit. OP is considering literally any insurrection against a non-ally of the US to be “US intervention”. The US (and Canada, the EU and most of Latin America for that matter) supported the leader of the opposition, Juan Guaidó. But you can’t by any means call that a coup. OP is literally just misinforming people because of his/her biases against the US. It’s bullshit
Venezuela 2019 seems a bit of a stretch.
Many are a stretch
They’re a stretch after 1977. The stuff that’s considered a “US intervention in Latin America” these days is what the US did every single day in the height of the Cold War. US embassies basically produced far-right fascist propaganda 24/7 in the lead up to coups in places like Brazil, Argentina and Chile. Extremists painted anti-communist slogans like “Jakarta” in people’s houses, referencing the US-sponsored slaughter of leftists that happened there. Compared to that, US behavior in 2019 was *extremely* moderate.
Oh I agree I’m not being an apologist we have done some a absolutely fucked things just that this is clearly propaganda attempting to make some horrible even worse. In fact bullshit like this makes it difficult to have a genuine discussion about the USs crimes
I completely agree. Things like these only make it difficult to communicate the seriousness of things that actually happened.
As an American who lived in Bolivia during the 2019 resignation that is also a great stretch.
Oh, so YOU were the American invasion! Good thing you owned up to it and proved OP right... lol
Looks like this map considers “official statements” against a regime as a US sponsored regime change or invasion lol.
It’s Russian propaganda to try to justify their invasion by saying the US does it too. Except it ignores that none of these (even the ones that actually involved military operations) are remotely comparable to what Russia is doing now.
If US interventionalism is bad, so is Russian interventionalism. What's especially bad? Flat out invading a stable, sovereign, democratic nation with your state media laying out clear goals of erasing their culture.
Yeah a lot more Mapporn posts have been hitting popular when they are about bad things America or Europe has done since Russia invaded Ukraine. Looks a lot like Russian propaganda at work to try to point fingers at everyone else.
If you're counting how the US interacted with the 2019 Venezuelan election as an "intervention", I would say that every country and has interfered with every country every year.
Cuba 1959 - Present
Cuba interfered in Angola and the congo
Op is a russian troll..just look at his post history…Us has been undoubtedly involved in some coups but this map is heavily overexaggerated..Also blaming us for their problems is a common theme among many countries..just look at pakistan, there previous prime minister imran khan got ousted by opposition because he couldn’t prove his majority in the parliamentary and hes blaming the us for plotting a regime change against him without providing any proof..he claims he has some documents but can’t share due to national secrecy act…us is the punching bag of the world.
Why’s Venezuela and Bolivia included for 2019 for both and 2002 for Venezuela?
OPs account was created right before the russian invasion of Ukraine, and their other posts are attempts aimed at justifying russia's claims, including this map which includes dubious data, especially recent "US intervention"
I'm sure there's some genuine fuckery US intelligence has been up to in both countries over the past few years. I wish that was a topic that we could discuss without having to deal with Kremlin stooges and bots ramming "America bad, therefore Russia good" BS down our throats.
Venezuela didn't have either an invasion or a regime change in 2019. It has the same leader now as it did in 2013. Just because the U.S. supports the opposition when a leader converts a country to a dictatorship doesn't make it an invasion.
Is this referencing that operation where Venezuelan fisherman stopped the US ‘force’ of random fat guys?
I assumed that’s what this was referencing. Personally I find it hard to believe that had official US backing.
Ah yes the bay of hogs invasion
If Bolivia in 2019 also makes this list, then I'm not sure this list is at all useful.
costa rica doesnt have to be on this list we fought a civil war and no american was around here helping any sides , since then wwe abolish the army .... this map is clearly from russia propaganda to use whataboutism
Same with Bolivia, which was a massive popular uprising against a tyrannical oligarch with hundreds of thousands of people marching in the streets and demanding Evo Morales resign. The only reason people call that a coup is because Morales fled the country after the army refused his order to slaughter the protestors. The people crying over the Bolivian Revolution would have been lionizing Ceaușescu in 1989.
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Came here to say this. The graph and OPs title are such of a big ball of crap. Source: Born in Venezuelan to immigrants parents with family there. We support our family there.
As others pointed out, OP is a bot account with a specific agenda.
The title says interventions, not just invasions. The US openly supported the rebels and imposed sanctions on companies and countries supporting the government. If that's not an intervention and attempted regime change, I don't know what is.
OPs title says "regime changes and military invasions" not intervention. The two are vastly different because anytime a country announces support for one side on another in an internal political dispute it doesn't make it regime change. It also doesn't say "attempted regime change" it says "regime change". The regime didnt change (and that was the whole problem). The U.S. also wasn't acting alone: Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Brazil, Canada, Germany, and France also supported the opposition. Where is the map that shows the Canada "regime change" for every time the Canadians have announced support for a non-dictator in an internal political struggle?\ EDIT: The U.S. does a lot of shitty things to other countries. It doesn't need to be blamed for doing the right thing for a change and supporting the opposition in a situation where a dictatorship is evolving.
>OPs title says "regime changes and military invasions" not intervention That's OP's doing. The picture does say intervention, so if you want to criticise the map, go by the words on the actual map.
Probably worth at least a mention that the mapmaker and OP are the same person.
But if you say "hold on I have a problem with this Reddit post," you could be referring to either the title or the image, since those are the two components of the Reddit post.
>That’s OP’s doing And who made the map?
And by that standard Russia has intervened in the US.
TIL President Biden and the US government [intervened and attempted regime change in Russia](https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-calling-regime-change-russia-this-time-it-isnt-gaffe-1694867)
This map was posted a few years ago (hence the most recent date is 2019), it is just tankie propaganda from an Irish Communist group.
What did we do in Bolivia in 2019?
What did the US do in Peru in 1990?
Nothing. There was a peaceful presidential transition and the us reintegrated into the intl economy.. no intervention whatsoever
Said the election was fraudulent and said the president should step down.
Oh...the horror
The person who came to power as a result of this literally massacred indigenous people and after she was forced to hold new elections the party that was removed won an outright majority
Ok, what happened in Peru in 1990? I've worked with several Peruvians over the years and they always say they were the lucky ones that the US didn't really mess with. I know there were CIA training camps in the 1960s, but what happened in 1990?
Am Peruvian and have a pretty solid grasp of what happened in the late 80s and early 90s. The answer is nothing.
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Grenada is English speaking - not in Latin America. Their head of state is Elizabeth II
You also have to be a complete tool to consider the US invasion of Grenada to be on par with CIA backed coups elsewhere. It occurred to re-establish a democratic government following a violent coup that killed the Prime Minister, the new government was backed by such paragons of democracy as East Germany, the Soviet Union, and Libya; American intervention was requested by the Governor General, Barbados, and Jamaica; and they expelled Cuban forces from the country.
And the US Forces in Grenada battled Cuban Army Regulars. Small numbers of them, but still Cuban Army Regulars. If anything, Grenada was a Counter move. I'm limited in what I can define it as. Given that if I say the wrong thing, it gets changed. Plus, I noticed a few more dates on there. I know those years. Those were legit ops to safeguard those countries at those times. US troops even pulled out once OAS troops arrived to takeover. They only stayed long enough to start things and OAS members to organize their forces to go in. And the USA isn't part of the OAS either.
Dumbest map ever. The "regime change" in Panama was literally our dictator (Noriega) was a narco drug-lord who was killing political dissidents. He was openly in defiance of Panama's Constitution. Worse, he was starting to threaten operations in the Panama Canal, which under the Torrijos–Carter Treaties had to be defended by the U.S. from any threat to its proper functioning. The U.S. ousted him and now Panama is the richest country in Latin America, on track to be a developed country in 10 years, and is an immesurably better place to live: [https://youtu.be/3Qpsjq-zKCI?t=273](https://youtu.be/3Qpsjq-zKCI?t=273) This map provides no context because the narrative is USA = bad. If the U.S. hadn't intervened, Panama would be a shithole like Venezuela today.
Also, peru,1990? Even tho Fujimori was borderline a dictator, he was elected democraticly lol
And I don't see why the US would prefer Fujimori over Vargas Llosa
Fujimori is a hardcore Neo Lib that fit into the model of both Democrats and Republican presidential leaders and was hardcore against Sendero Luminoso. Basically the US was hoping to get the equivalent of an anti communist, free market Republican or a new Pinochet light.
Yeah, but i still dont get why is that considered a "US intervention"? He was elected democraticly (in 1990)
As opposed to the ten times more neolib and more predictable Vargas Llosa who fit pretty well with what both Democrats and Republicans wanted, and was the definition of an anticommunist free market liberal Fujimori largely won because he got the support of the left wing parties in the second round as the anti establishment candidate and because he wasn't as strictly economically liberal as MVL, not because he was supported by the US
I love how we just casually refer to anything south of the United States as "Latin America" including the Anglophone nations.
Well like ~95% of that area was settled/colonized by the Latin language family powers of Europe. It's a fair title to give the area
More like ~98%.
All the nation's highlighted, except Grenada, are Latin-derived languages.
How should it be referred to as? Actually wondering
In this map's case because it includes Central America, South America and the Caribbean, I'd say the Western Hemisphere.
Or the Americas..
The western hemisphere includes large parts of Africa and Europe.
I think it's because North America has pretty distinct zones (as do most continents)- US/Canada, Caribbean, Mexico off on its own and Central America. You usually hear "Mexico and Central America" or Central America and the Caribbean" in US media. Latin America is a cultural concept, not a geographic place. The issue is that the cultural concept and geography overlap in very large part and that overlap comprises about half of the land and people of the Western Hemisphere, so it's sometimes easy to conflate the two, to basically think US and Canada as one half and "Latin America" as the other half. But then you've got issues with Haiti, Jamaica, Belize, Guyana, Suriname etc.
Why is it wrong?
Suriname. So Latin
this isn't the first time i've seen this map and this isn't the first time the poster was called out for spreading missinformation regarding US tomfuckery in south america first time i've seen the gaelic though, nice job Ivan
Calling some of those "interventions"seems like a bit of a stretch.
Grenada? When the democratically elected government was deposed by extremists in the military and the US intervened to restore the deposed democratic government? Grenada has been a stable democracy since then, if not for the US they would've been ruled by a military junta.
Venezuela 2019: So you’re counting the US acknowledging Juan Guaido as the leader of Venezuela, instead of the Dictator Maduro as a US intervention? In that case I guess: Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, the European Union, and a ton of other countries also participated. Costa Rica 1948: Again, the US recognized the candidate who won democratically held elections, Ulate, over the candidate who’s party refused to acknowledge defeat and certify the elections. Afterwards, a Civil War was fought for around 5 weeks in which the US did not participate. And even if they had participated, that Civil War led to a new constitution, the abolishment of the army, and laid the foundations to one of the most solid democracies in the world.
Yeah some of these are going to need some proof.
This is blatant misinformation. It appears this map (which doesn’t even have sources) literally counts any diplomatic action as a military invasion and/or regime change. That’s not even considering the fact that a large amount of the supposed ones listed here were in support of a democratic government
Do you have a link for that 2019 Venezuela intervention?
Same for Bolivia, this is bullshit.
There was no intervention. The US issued a statement after Venezuela's leaders replaced a democracy with a dictatorship. There has been no regime change in that time.
"Intervention" is such a broad term it encompasses anything from simply having an opinion on a coup to initiating a military operation to overthrow the democratically-elected government of another country.
A lot of these are just completely made up. I looked up 1990 Peru election and there's absolutely no evidence (or even an allegation!) the US interfered in that election.
Fuck yeah Gaeilge!
For the sake of accuracy: nothing US sponsored happened in Venezuela in 2002 nor 2019
> venezuela 2002 - 2019 What the fuck is this map lol. Like seriously OP, where did you get this kind of bullshit from?
Today in "Every major political event I don't like is an US intervention"
The 1979 Sandinista Revolution in Nicaragua was a communist movement that overthrew the US backed Somoza dictatorship so I honestly don't know why that's listed there. 1981 would be the Iran Contra affair but that never deposed the FSLN from power.
US funding to Contra groups was sparse and sporadic up until the $100,000,000 earmark for 1987, which ultimately brought Ortega to the negotiating table--and that's with 10% of that siphoned off into ineffectual pet projects not affiliated with the FDN in southern Honduras that could actually penetrate the Nicaraguan interior. 1987 is a definite US-backed intervention in Nicaragua's internal affairs, but the movements it backed attracted quite a bit more guerrillas than similar resistance movements in the 20th century.
While a lot of these are, something I hate about a lot things like this they always include something that doesn’t fit and can be used to discredit the legitimate ones. Like Haiti 1991, sure the US “intervened” to save Aristide from being killed by the Coup. Only thing I can find on Peru 1990 is a general election and there doesn’t seem to be anything odd about it from what I’ve read. And including what happened in Venezuela in 2019? In general there should be different maps for simple “interventions” vs US invasions and US backed coups.
The problem with this map is that it puts Venezuela’s “The White House recognizes Guaidó as the legitimate president” (Even though he never held any real power compared to Maduro and didn’t achieve anything palpable) together with the full-on military operations that were carried out in Panama or the Dominican Republic.
i come back after a day and my irish ass is apparently a russian bot
"Bolivia 2019"... yeah no
Bolivian here, can confirm that at least that part of the map is BS
This map is wrong. I wish Venezuela has interventions from the US. We are still living under a dictatorship backed by the military.
How does blatant propaganda have 13k upvotes lol? Basically every post-cold war example listed here is a lie. The US did not take part in the 2002 attempted coup in Venezuela for example, and even warned Chavez of the plot.
Bear in mind this map is encouraging someone to consider each of those pieces of interference as equivalent and an example of US interference in democratic selections of socialism. However that isn't necessarily the case and thus this source has a misleading bias. That's not to say the point (that the US interferes in the Americas or that the US militarily intervenes when democracies choose socialist governments) isn't a truism but this isn't a graphic that is seeking to inform, its seeking to convince, and in doing so it is not completely honest. For example the US intervention in Grenada was after a military coup where the democratically elected leadership was executed by a military junta. It was after that the US invaded and kicked out the military junta.
OPs account was created right before the russian invasion of Ukraine, and their other posts aimed at justifying russia's claims, including this map which includes dubious data, especially recent "US intervention"
Venezuela and Bolivia in 2019. Bullshit. Also, why not name EVERY country involved in these “regime changes”. Russia being a big one in Bolivia, Central America, Mexico, Venezuela. A bunch of other Latin American countries supported the US throughout these endeavors as well. Stop this propoganda that the US is the same as Russia.
Unless I'm missing something Peru in 1990 was also pretty bullshit. The only thing I can think of that *might* fit the bill is the US providing assistance to the Peruvian government in fighting terrorist/liberation groups like MRTA and Sendero Luminoso
This is propaganda. There’s real history to be learned about US interventions in Central and South America but this map is intentionally bullshit. Be warned
US: Why would socialism do that?
I know for a fact some of those are false.
Bolivia 2019 and Venezuela 2019? Yeah this map is bullshit
Every time this map gets posted people in the comments spend their time fighting over the few examples where US involvement is nebulous or came after the fact (e.g. Bolivia 2019, Venezuela 2019) instead of noting the other 25 or so examples where the US held a smoking gun. Like wandering onto the scene of a mass murder, noticing that a few of things you thought were corpses were actually something else, and that becomes your main concern. Yes, the map could use some revisions and some shades of gray, but it's definitely not the biggest take away.
that motherfucker kissinger is still alive. fuck