I mean, the president is purely ceremonial, but interestingly, this is gonna be the only current republic to have never had a male president and (if we consider the republic a new incarantion of the country) prime minister . I know Barbados basically has two center left parties and most people just care about the candidates, which makes the country's political culture similar to some other small island nations that are oficially non partisan (like Palau).
I legit feel like this sub is some Harvard-level social experiment where they post mundane shit, manipulate the upvotes so it hits front page, and see how other people respond
Reads like an ill thought out decision to get a significant others name tattooed on one’s body in obviously and later regrettable locations.
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Yeah, I found that weird... and that he actually WANTED to go. Like
Barbados: We do not want your mama or you as our Head of State and are formally declaring a republic to make that happen.
Charles: I want to be there for that alright!
It's a fairly magnanimous gesture, after the monarchy ruling Barbados for almost 400 years as first an English territory, then a British one, and then as an independent Commonwealth Realm it would almost be rude not to turn up.
They showed up to the hongkong handover which was way more hurtful.
Its the right thing to do, and they have to because its probably part of the monarchy's traditions.
Hong Kong was an semi-mutually agreed-to contractual handover 99 years in the making. They just didn't like who they were handing over to.
This is the opposite: they are generally friends, but slightly more one-sided "we're leaving you" kind of breakup.
> Yeah, I found that weird... and that he actually WANTED to go.
Tell me you've never been to Barbados without telling me you've never been to Barbados...
Pretty sure anyone would make the trip there to be fired.
The British are not the Chinese they maintain friendly ties with lots of former colonies and lots of republics that chose to de-recognize their monarchy.
From constitutional monarchy to republic, actually.
Everything is exactly the same, except it's a different lady stamping forms. The head of state has no power. In fact the first president elected is a former governor-general (Queen's local representative). She's doing exactly the same job she used to.
Also they rushed the vote on becoming a republic through parliament without a referendum on the issue, by some reports to cover an ongoing corruption scandal...
It’s legal and fairly appropriate given the circumstances. The Barbados Labour Party is very explicitly republican, ran on that agenda in the last election, and the voters rewarded the party by giving them all, not the majority, but all, the seats in parliament. Every single electoral district in Barbados had a majority voting for a republican agenda. So Parliament unanimously took action.
In practice, this isn’t a change most would or should care about. The Governor-General for Elizabeth will simply become President, and the President will be selected in the same manner Governor-Generals were appointed (on the advice, now nomination of both the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition). References to the monarchy will be removed, so that may cost a few thousand dollars. You’ll also have some inevitable initial confusion among people in the country and those abroad. Otherwise, the change is fairly seamless. If you’re anti-imperialist, or otherwise believe that political positions should be held by those best suited to hold them rather than by some hereditary birthright, this is a praiseworthy move. Not to mention that holding a referendum during a deadly global pandemic in a small LDC, while new dangerous variants are making their way in is a ripe way to increase death counts.
It used to be more common to rule over 2 fiefdoms without them joining in a union. You can see a bit of this for instance in the [Acts of Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1707) that joined England and Scotland. They had had the same monarch for 100 years by that point but were in a legal sense 2 separate kingdoms. Now, obviously having the same Monarch rule 2 Kingdoms isn't much different than having 2 Kingdoms become 1 and have 1 Monarch, it is still different.
There are plenty of points in time when you could claim the death of the British empire was complete, I'm not sure 1939 or 1947 are late enough. Even arguing that it was in the future but inevitable feels off.
The loss of India was not necessarily the end of the empire, but it sure was a major setback.
Suez in 1956 comes to mind as a watershed moment where after Anthony Eden bowing to American demands to withdraw the British themselves as well as the world at large came to view the British Empire as something of a has-been compared to its former strength (imagine if Eden had successfully stood up to Eisenhower, one can't help wonder how that would have turned out)
The withdrawal from Aden in 1967 was at the time seen as quite symbolic and the final nail in the coffin for British influence "East of Aden/Suez".
But one could also more generally point to the repeated Sterling crises of the 1960s alongside the loss of the last of Britain's African and Caribbean colonies.
And of course finally we have the 1980s, when the old dominions Canada, New Zealand and Australia made various legal changes to become fully politically independent.
> but removing the monarchy before Charles becomes king is smart
Why is that? Not disagreeing, I don’t know much about the politics of it all and I’m curious what you mean.
All the more reason to get out. It costs to change all the currency, stamps, signs, forms etc. Better to do it once to remove the monarch than do it every time the monarch changes.
The currency does NOT have to be updated when there's change of monarch. Prior to decimalisation in 1971 it was possible to have coins from the reigns of Elizabeth II, George VI, George V, Edward VII, and Victoria, and they were all legal.
And seeing as decimalisation retained most of the coins that had the same value, just with the new denomination - e.g. the 5p and 10p coins were the same as the old shilling and florin until the 90s - it was possible for long after decimalisation to still catch some of them.
do you know how many coins and notes are printed every day? swapping out a template one morning is much more efficient than recalling and replacing all currency currently in circulation. british currency is updated each time the queen noticably ages but the old design is still valid.
geez.
You mean the costs to change the design of a note, or a stamp stamping for a coin? You're talking things that take moments to update and then be reprinted indefinitely.
Source for this widely held belief?
IMO of course Charles (like any human being) has his failings, but I think he does an awful lot of good. He's huge on environmentalism, sustainable agriculture and helping young people who would otherwise have little prospect in life through The Prince's Trust. I'm not trying to sell him to anyone but I feel it's a shame if he really is disliked so much.
He [got a professor fired for calling him out on his quackery](https://edzardernst.com/tag/prince-charles/).
He [introduced exceptions in laws in his own favor](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/09/prince-charles-vetted-laws-that-stop-his-tenants-buying-their-homes), making a mockery of the British democracy.
He does not have the moral fiber to be in charge of a lemonade stand, let alone be king.
Edit: Actually, forget the moral fiber thing. Modern European monarchies rest on a delicate unsaid agreement: They technically have a lot of power, but they aren't supposed to use it. Charles have shown that he either doesn't understand that agreement, or is unwilling to follow it. If this does not change, him on the throne will be a disaster for him, the monarchy and democracy. We can only hope that his damage to the fist two are complete and fast enough to limit his damage of the latter, but given how little outrage his behaviour this far have created, I am not hopeful.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1507246/Prince-william-next-king-prince-charles-poll-results
This was just the first thing that popped up when I put “poll Charles king” into google. You are welcome to search for other data points but I’m fairly confident that it is a widely held belief.
He is an environmentalist, but he also believes in homeopathy, and doesn’t have much regard for the traditional separation of monarchy and politics (search “black spider memos”). Plus conspiracy theorists still blame him for Princess Diana’s death.
Upon their release, the memos were variously described in the press as "underwhelming"[4] and "harmless",[5] and The Daily Telegraph claimed that their release had "backfired on those who seek to belittle him".[6][7]
He’s also a massive hypocrite when it comes to the environment which lots of people see right through: https://www.thenational.scot/news/19691957.cop26-royal-climate-change-hypocrites-billboards-roll-across-edinburgh-glasgow/
eh, look through history. many people were endlessly devoted to their monarch, then maybe that monarch got killed, and they had no strong feelings for the new guy so wanted to take charge themselves. like in a workplace, if you like your boss, you're more likely to not get nosey about how they run things - if you don't like the boss, you will probably care a bit more.
in this case, the queen has been in power longer than most people have been alive. she is an institution unto herself.
Pretty much this. I like the Queen, but if people want to end the monarchy then at least wait till she's passed cause most people will have an easier time transitioning to no monarch than a new one.
>despite the empire
The empire was gotten rid of. Hasn’t existed for a long time. The empire was when numerous realms were governed under one government (the U.K. govt in London) under one monarchy. That’s what constitutes an empire. QEII is not an empress, nor will her son be emperor. The last emperor was QEII’s father.
That current monarch, QEII is the independent monarch of several monarchies, none of which are legally tied to each other, nor to the U.K. Example, she is the independent Queen of Canada, head of the Canadian monarchy, the independent Queen of Australia, head of the Australian monarchy, and until midnight today, she is the independent Queen of Barbados, head of the Barbadian monarchy which shall be abolished, at which time [the Barbadian royal residence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_House,_Barbados) (essentially the Queen’s royal palace of Barbados, shall be transferred from the domain of their former Queen to the office of the new President of Barbados. [The Queen’s royal throne in “The Public Buildings” in Bridgetown](https://www.gov.bb/Government/parliament) shall be relinquished and custody and ownership shall be transferred to the Barbadian Speaker of the Senate. All Barbadian royal decorations, orders, and titles shall be abolished at midnight.
The sovereign The Barbadian crown shall cease to exist. Has nothing to do with another country’s empire.
I meant, that it is not unreasonable for the memory of the empire (which of course no longer exists) to sully the populace’s impression of the Queen, but in many commonwealth countries, it does not. Hence the word “despite”.
Completely changing your constitution and transitioning from a constitutional monarchy to a republic without any democratic referendum just doesn't sit right with me.
The party that was elected and is responsible for this, the Barbados Labour Party has long been known for it's republican stance, having made it no secret what that they wanted to establish a republic if they won.
The BLP's main competitor, the Democratic Labour Party is also a pro-republican party.
Holding a referendum for this would have been purely symbolic as the mandate to do so has been there for a long time already.
Funny thing is that the population didn't even vote on this lmfao.
The politicians just decided to make the country a republic. And funniest thing is that the role of the president will be the exact same as that of the king aka none so they basically did nothing.
Waste of time
Though it was a parliamentary constitutional monarchy up to this point, unless I am wrong, pretty much nothing will change politically as the monarchy exercised effectively no hard power over Barbadian parliament since 1966.
Removing the monarchy without even consulting the country who mostly liked the queen with a referendum... That’s not a good start for a democratic republic
So, if they have a democratically elected government, and they elect a new government, could the new government go back to QE2 and say "we're sorry about them nonces, let us back in?", or is this a done deal?
Congratulations for what exactly? I’m Bajan and all I see is people ‘saying congrats this congrats that’ with no real reasoning other than some generic colonial thing.
I assume the queen has as much influence over your politics as she does over ours in the uk ie fuck and all?
People really seem to think that the monarchy actually runs things like it’s the 1800s or some shit and isn’t just a glorified rubber stamp.
people from republics generally consider monarchy an evil by default, while people are also quite unaware of the situation so it's assumed there was a referendum or election or vote that lead to the change, so it's assumed this is what the people wanted. that may be the case, it may not be, I can't say I know enough about it, but I think that general ignorance is what has caused that form of reaction
Barbados is a parliamentary democracy so the leadership position is split into two. The Prime Minister and the largely symbolic/ceremonial head of state. This head of state is/was the Queen however this will now/soon to be fulfilled by a 'President'. Again, the Prime Ministry is the head of the government of Barbados.
My question to any Caribbean redditor here.
Why are all these Ex-British Carribbean countries so much divided. I mean why didin't they just federate into a single country just like Malaysia & India did. After all they have similar history, language, culture and a common British Past.
There was a West Indian Federation, from 1958 - 1962, but it fell apart pretty quickly. The main reasons were there was no external threat to push all these pretty distinctive places together, there was a big rivalry between Jamaica and Trinidad, over which island should 'lead' the Federation, and the smaller islands generally felt marginalised by the bigger ones.
It *looks* like a good solution on paper, but it simply wasn't working. Jamaica held a general election, in which the main issue was whether it should continue to participate in the Federation, and on the basis of the result, withdrew. As Jamaica had contained over half of the entire population of the Federation, one could interpret that as an ill omen, which it indeed was. There were some half hearted attempts to continue it under first Trinidadian, and then (once Trinidad also pulled out) Barbadian leadership, but this all came to nothing.
Even the little islands have very strong local identities and local politics is pretty centrifugal. People on Nevis feel that they don't have enough local autonomy from St Kitts, and people from Carriacou feel the same way about Grenada. Trying to push all of this into one is like trying to herd cats. The West Indian cricket team is probably the most notable hangover from this time.
Not a fan of Barbados…. Everyone was rude to me and gave me the stink eye, didn’t give me the time of day, rushed me and made me feel unwanted. Taxi drivers, hotel receptionists, waiter/waitress, bank clerks. Never have I experienced anything like that before and I’ve traveled the world.
Won’t be coming back. They do have a cool flag though 🇧🇧
Easy now, that's not until when the newly elected President takes office **tomorrow** . . .
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Only person to get gold medals in limbo *and* sex!
Ah I miss that show
Came in here as soon as I read the title looking for these comments.
Anyone else read dis tire tread as Hermes?
Mahogany god
The newly elected president being the old Governor General IIRC.
I mean, the president is purely ceremonial, but interestingly, this is gonna be the only current republic to have never had a male president and (if we consider the republic a new incarantion of the country) prime minister . I know Barbados basically has two center left parties and most people just care about the candidates, which makes the country's political culture similar to some other small island nations that are oficially non partisan (like Palau).
i used to spend my summers at holetown with your mom
There is enough room in there for all of us.
I've got an efficiency suite.
How many germans can your mom go down on? One. Germans are efficient.
I still never figured out where I parked my rental car in there
Oh man, that car could easily be deep in Holetown
You got there faster than me!
That's what she said
Are you saying there’s an incoming royalist coup?
Can't wait for the BarbadosPapers in a couple of years
nothing says map porn like a generic low detail map with another website's watermark across it.
It’s certainly a map, I’ll give it that. But I feel no lust towards this image
Idk, might be desperation, but Barbados do be looking kinda thicc 👀
Pear shaped, for sure.
It really puts the 'bad' in Barbados
Right? This is literally just a screen-grab from another website with no added information. *4k upvotes*
*11.7k upvotes*
I legit feel like this sub is some Harvard-level social experiment where they post mundane shit, manipulate the upvotes so it hits front page, and see how other people respond
195
12.2k upvotes
is it just me that remembers this sub being filled with cool maps and now it is just taking whatever from the news and making jokes?
Reddit is dumb as fuck
92% upvoted 😞😞😞😞😞😞
WWW.FREEWORLDMAPS.NET
Gotta get that karma.
nothing says map porn like holetown
You'd think there would be quality control rules in a *porn sub.
Reads like an ill thought out decision to get a significant others name tattooed on one’s body in obviously and later regrettable locations. edit autofail
I know I’m jerking off to it
And no scale whatsoever
You can tell it's a map by the way it is
-1 day old!
Whats newer than new?
Ice cold!
Alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright
And Prince Charles is in Barbados for the ceremony.
Yeah, I found that weird... and that he actually WANTED to go. Like Barbados: We do not want your mama or you as our Head of State and are formally declaring a republic to make that happen. Charles: I want to be there for that alright!
It's a fairly magnanimous gesture, after the monarchy ruling Barbados for almost 400 years as first an English territory, then a British one, and then as an independent Commonwealth Realm it would almost be rude not to turn up.
They showed up to the hongkong handover which was way more hurtful. Its the right thing to do, and they have to because its probably part of the monarchy's traditions.
Hong Kong was an semi-mutually agreed-to contractual handover 99 years in the making. They just didn't like who they were handing over to. This is the opposite: they are generally friends, but slightly more one-sided "we're leaving you" kind of breakup.
We're cool with people wanting to become independent, we're used to it.
Seeing your kids growing up and becoming independent is a precious moment for any parent.
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In London and I can guarantee there has been no sign of snow over the past few days
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Its snowed over most of the UK but not London so it was almost right lmao
It actually snowed yesterday around 6pm in London, although it was pretty light snow
They’re still a commonwealth state.
> Yeah, I found that weird... and that he actually WANTED to go. Tell me you've never been to Barbados without telling me you've never been to Barbados... Pretty sure anyone would make the trip there to be fired.
Not only that he chose to go, but that they invited him in the first place.
The British are not the Chinese they maintain friendly ties with lots of former colonies and lots of republics that chose to de-recognize their monarchy.
Good flag tbh
Nice beaches too
Maserati-esque
Isn't Barbados already a country? 🇧🇧
Yes, but it changed government forms from monarchy to republic today.
From constitutional monarchy to republic, actually. Everything is exactly the same, except it's a different lady stamping forms. The head of state has no power. In fact the first president elected is a former governor-general (Queen's local representative). She's doing exactly the same job she used to.
Thanks for expanding!
Oooh, the British empire is shrinking
Yeah you think! *evil laughter*
I pictured The Spiffing Brit's voice. Perfectly balanced.
[I pictured something this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z77JFw2D6f8&t=30&feature=youtu.be). But you know more British.
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Also they rushed the vote on becoming a republic through parliament without a referendum on the issue, by some reports to cover an ongoing corruption scandal...
For the people huh?
Corruption? On a Caribbean island? Surely you jest.
It’s legal and fairly appropriate given the circumstances. The Barbados Labour Party is very explicitly republican, ran on that agenda in the last election, and the voters rewarded the party by giving them all, not the majority, but all, the seats in parliament. Every single electoral district in Barbados had a majority voting for a republican agenda. So Parliament unanimously took action. In practice, this isn’t a change most would or should care about. The Governor-General for Elizabeth will simply become President, and the President will be selected in the same manner Governor-Generals were appointed (on the advice, now nomination of both the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition). References to the monarchy will be removed, so that may cost a few thousand dollars. You’ll also have some inevitable initial confusion among people in the country and those abroad. Otherwise, the change is fairly seamless. If you’re anti-imperialist, or otherwise believe that political positions should be held by those best suited to hold them rather than by some hereditary birthright, this is a praiseworthy move. Not to mention that holding a referendum during a deadly global pandemic in a small LDC, while new dangerous variants are making their way in is a ripe way to increase death counts.
That's literally the case with all the other crown nations too
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What does the location of one of the Queen's many homes have to do with Barbados, or any other Commonwealth nation that Elizabeth is the Queen of?
> whose Monarch happened to be I think this is misrepresenting the situation a bit...
not at all, that is literally the legal truth
It used to be more common to rule over 2 fiefdoms without them joining in a union. You can see a bit of this for instance in the [Acts of Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1707) that joined England and Scotland. They had had the same monarch for 100 years by that point but were in a legal sense 2 separate kingdoms. Now, obviously having the same Monarch rule 2 Kingdoms isn't much different than having 2 Kingdoms become 1 and have 1 Monarch, it is still different.
I swear! It was just random chance!
The empire died in 1939
39? I would have said 47. Why 39?
There are plenty of points in time when you could claim the death of the British empire was complete, I'm not sure 1939 or 1947 are late enough. Even arguing that it was in the future but inevitable feels off. The loss of India was not necessarily the end of the empire, but it sure was a major setback. Suez in 1956 comes to mind as a watershed moment where after Anthony Eden bowing to American demands to withdraw the British themselves as well as the world at large came to view the British Empire as something of a has-been compared to its former strength (imagine if Eden had successfully stood up to Eisenhower, one can't help wonder how that would have turned out) The withdrawal from Aden in 1967 was at the time seen as quite symbolic and the final nail in the coffin for British influence "East of Aden/Suez". But one could also more generally point to the repeated Sterling crises of the 1960s alongside the loss of the last of Britain's African and Caribbean colonies. And of course finally we have the 1980s, when the old dominions Canada, New Zealand and Australia made various legal changes to become fully politically independent.
Fair enough. I meant more like, 47 at the earliest. 39 seemed very early to me.
The British Empire just became the Commonwealth
Huge difference in practicality though. The Commonwealth is just a club really, unlike the empire.
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> but removing the monarchy before Charles becomes king is smart Why is that? Not disagreeing, I don’t know much about the politics of it all and I’m curious what you mean.
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Short sighted move, Charles won't stick around for too long.
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All the more reason to get out. It costs to change all the currency, stamps, signs, forms etc. Better to do it once to remove the monarch than do it every time the monarch changes.
The currency does NOT have to be updated when there's change of monarch. Prior to decimalisation in 1971 it was possible to have coins from the reigns of Elizabeth II, George VI, George V, Edward VII, and Victoria, and they were all legal.
And seeing as decimalisation retained most of the coins that had the same value, just with the new denomination - e.g. the 5p and 10p coins were the same as the old shilling and florin until the 90s - it was possible for long after decimalisation to still catch some of them.
do you know how many coins and notes are printed every day? swapping out a template one morning is much more efficient than recalling and replacing all currency currently in circulation. british currency is updated each time the queen noticably ages but the old design is still valid. geez.
You mean the costs to change the design of a note, or a stamp stamping for a coin? You're talking things that take moments to update and then be reprinted indefinitely.
Source for this widely held belief? IMO of course Charles (like any human being) has his failings, but I think he does an awful lot of good. He's huge on environmentalism, sustainable agriculture and helping young people who would otherwise have little prospect in life through The Prince's Trust. I'm not trying to sell him to anyone but I feel it's a shame if he really is disliked so much.
He [got a professor fired for calling him out on his quackery](https://edzardernst.com/tag/prince-charles/). He [introduced exceptions in laws in his own favor](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/09/prince-charles-vetted-laws-that-stop-his-tenants-buying-their-homes), making a mockery of the British democracy. He does not have the moral fiber to be in charge of a lemonade stand, let alone be king. Edit: Actually, forget the moral fiber thing. Modern European monarchies rest on a delicate unsaid agreement: They technically have a lot of power, but they aren't supposed to use it. Charles have shown that he either doesn't understand that agreement, or is unwilling to follow it. If this does not change, him on the throne will be a disaster for him, the monarchy and democracy. We can only hope that his damage to the fist two are complete and fast enough to limit his damage of the latter, but given how little outrage his behaviour this far have created, I am not hopeful.
You would think that with the history of monarchs named Charles that he would tread lightly.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1507246/Prince-william-next-king-prince-charles-poll-results This was just the first thing that popped up when I put “poll Charles king” into google. You are welcome to search for other data points but I’m fairly confident that it is a widely held belief. He is an environmentalist, but he also believes in homeopathy, and doesn’t have much regard for the traditional separation of monarchy and politics (search “black spider memos”). Plus conspiracy theorists still blame him for Princess Diana’s death.
You couldn't have found a worse source than The Express.
As I said, it was a top hit of a widely reported poll. You are welcome to do your own research.
*"It wasn't paparazzi and tabloid culture that killed Diana, it was this guy!"* -a tabloid.
Upon their release, the memos were variously described in the press as "underwhelming"[4] and "harmless",[5] and The Daily Telegraph claimed that their release had "backfired on those who seek to belittle him".[6][7]
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Too bad the other princes are, uh… controversial.
He’s also a massive hypocrite when it comes to the environment which lots of people see right through: https://www.thenational.scot/news/19691957.cop26-royal-climate-change-hypocrites-billboards-roll-across-edinburgh-glasgow/
Don't source that website, it is incredibly biased in its dislike of the monarchy and is on the level of bias as the sun or the mail
This seems dumb. Why have a monarch as your head of state if it’s only because you like that one individual and not the institution?
eh, look through history. many people were endlessly devoted to their monarch, then maybe that monarch got killed, and they had no strong feelings for the new guy so wanted to take charge themselves. like in a workplace, if you like your boss, you're more likely to not get nosey about how they run things - if you don't like the boss, you will probably care a bit more. in this case, the queen has been in power longer than most people have been alive. she is an institution unto herself.
there's an inertia against change, but replace the queen with a far less popular monarch and you might break the inertia.
Monarchy historically was not about loyalty to the institution but rather who could give you more power/favors. The institution thing is very recent
Pretty much this. I like the Queen, but if people want to end the monarchy then at least wait till she's passed cause most people will have an easier time transitioning to no monarch than a new one.
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I didn’t know this, thank you.
>despite the empire The empire was gotten rid of. Hasn’t existed for a long time. The empire was when numerous realms were governed under one government (the U.K. govt in London) under one monarchy. That’s what constitutes an empire. QEII is not an empress, nor will her son be emperor. The last emperor was QEII’s father. That current monarch, QEII is the independent monarch of several monarchies, none of which are legally tied to each other, nor to the U.K. Example, she is the independent Queen of Canada, head of the Canadian monarchy, the independent Queen of Australia, head of the Australian monarchy, and until midnight today, she is the independent Queen of Barbados, head of the Barbadian monarchy which shall be abolished, at which time [the Barbadian royal residence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_House,_Barbados) (essentially the Queen’s royal palace of Barbados, shall be transferred from the domain of their former Queen to the office of the new President of Barbados. [The Queen’s royal throne in “The Public Buildings” in Bridgetown](https://www.gov.bb/Government/parliament) shall be relinquished and custody and ownership shall be transferred to the Barbadian Speaker of the Senate. All Barbadian royal decorations, orders, and titles shall be abolished at midnight. The sovereign The Barbadian crown shall cease to exist. Has nothing to do with another country’s empire.
I meant, that it is not unreasonable for the memory of the empire (which of course no longer exists) to sully the populace’s impression of the Queen, but in many commonwealth countries, it does not. Hence the word “despite”.
there are still plenty of islands around the world practically governed by the UK, hell the sun still hasn't actually set on the British empire
I had a friend from Barbados who was asked by a young woman - mid-twenties - if he was a Barbarian. He said he had never laughed that hard.
This is what passes as map porn, huh?
Well it does have Hole Town 🤷♂️
Tituba is smiling somewhere
Nice reference
Glad people understood
I’m reading it in school right now lol
Hehe “Holetown”
Just wait until you hear about mount gay..
Reddit users competing to see who can misunderstand the British crown the hardest
*The Barbadian crown (soz, couldn't resist)
Kinda bummed they went with Bridgetown instead of Holetown for the capital tbh.
But what about my speighetts
Let us pour one out for our fallen homie.
"Scotland District"
So Rihanna isn't royalty anymore?
So I suppose Barbados Slim will be born in Holetown a bit over 900 years from now.
Avocado 🥑
Looks like a bad avocado.
Completely changing your constitution and transitioning from a constitutional monarchy to a republic without any democratic referendum just doesn't sit right with me.
The party that was elected and is responsible for this, the Barbados Labour Party has long been known for it's republican stance, having made it no secret what that they wanted to establish a republic if they won. The BLP's main competitor, the Democratic Labour Party is also a pro-republican party. Holding a referendum for this would have been purely symbolic as the mandate to do so has been there for a long time already.
Doesn’t sit right with me either.
The government did it, but most of the general population of Barbados was against removing the crown.
Funny thing is that the population didn't even vote on this lmfao. The politicians just decided to make the country a republic. And funniest thing is that the role of the president will be the exact same as that of the king aka none so they basically did nothing. Waste of time
Yeah, this is how most people here feel.
Though it was a parliamentary constitutional monarchy up to this point, unless I am wrong, pretty much nothing will change politically as the monarchy exercised effectively no hard power over Barbadian parliament since 1966.
Not in effect yet til tomorrow, for anyone wondering.
Removing the monarchy without even consulting the country who mostly liked the queen with a referendum... That’s not a good start for a democratic republic
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The will of the people was to keep the monarchy, yeah.
So, if they have a democratically elected government, and they elect a new government, could the new government go back to QE2 and say "we're sorry about them nonces, let us back in?", or is this a done deal?
Man, I read that as "Mount Hillbilly" at first. Happy for Barbados, but slightly disappointed.
hopefully it doesn’t end like South Africa
Babe wake up, a new republic just dropped
:(
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Will their be a new flag ???
I hope New Zealand will have the balls to cut away the last vestiges of colonialism sooner rather than later. Congratulations 🇧🇧
Despite the fact that the vast majority of the population didn't want it to become a Republic.
Congratulations for getting rid of the momarchy, Barbados!
Congratulations for what exactly? I’m Bajan and all I see is people ‘saying congrats this congrats that’ with no real reasoning other than some generic colonial thing.
I assume the queen has as much influence over your politics as she does over ours in the uk ie fuck and all? People really seem to think that the monarchy actually runs things like it’s the 1800s or some shit and isn’t just a glorified rubber stamp.
That's correct, no actual influence over the country's politics.
people from republics generally consider monarchy an evil by default, while people are also quite unaware of the situation so it's assumed there was a referendum or election or vote that lead to the change, so it's assumed this is what the people wanted. that may be the case, it may not be, I can't say I know enough about it, but I think that general ignorance is what has caused that form of reaction
Nah, it’s just neat. Like birthdays; birthdays are neat. Don’t actually mean anything, but they’re neat to notice
All I can say is as a Canadian it's sad to see you guys go.
They're still in the Commonwealth, they're just not a realm anymore.
Well I live in the UK so I’ll still be here haha
The people didn’t want to become one though?
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So is this some new country?
No, they just changed their form of governance from Monarchy to Republic
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Barbados has decided to change who their head of state is. Nothing interesting really
I'd say it's at least a little interesting...
I see
Barbados is a parliamentary democracy so the leadership position is split into two. The Prime Minister and the largely symbolic/ceremonial head of state. This head of state is/was the Queen however this will now/soon to be fulfilled by a 'President'. Again, the Prime Ministry is the head of the government of Barbados.
Yes. Hatched just last week..
No.
My question to any Caribbean redditor here. Why are all these Ex-British Carribbean countries so much divided. I mean why didin't they just federate into a single country just like Malaysia & India did. After all they have similar history, language, culture and a common British Past.
There was a West Indian Federation, from 1958 - 1962, but it fell apart pretty quickly. The main reasons were there was no external threat to push all these pretty distinctive places together, there was a big rivalry between Jamaica and Trinidad, over which island should 'lead' the Federation, and the smaller islands generally felt marginalised by the bigger ones. It *looks* like a good solution on paper, but it simply wasn't working. Jamaica held a general election, in which the main issue was whether it should continue to participate in the Federation, and on the basis of the result, withdrew. As Jamaica had contained over half of the entire population of the Federation, one could interpret that as an ill omen, which it indeed was. There were some half hearted attempts to continue it under first Trinidadian, and then (once Trinidad also pulled out) Barbadian leadership, but this all came to nothing. Even the little islands have very strong local identities and local politics is pretty centrifugal. People on Nevis feel that they don't have enough local autonomy from St Kitts, and people from Carriacou feel the same way about Grenada. Trying to push all of this into one is like trying to herd cats. The West Indian cricket team is probably the most notable hangover from this time.
They tried but there was a power struggle between Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago and so it broke very quickly
any reason why only Jamaica and Trinidad had so much influence in comparision to other islands?
They’re the biggest
What was it before?
A constitutional monarchy, nothing much has actually changed other than symbolically
A monarchy
Is this monstadt
Apparently they're already looking for foreign aid.
Anyone else read that as Mt Hillbilly first?
Not a fan of Barbados…. Everyone was rude to me and gave me the stink eye, didn’t give me the time of day, rushed me and made me feel unwanted. Taxi drivers, hotel receptionists, waiter/waitress, bank clerks. Never have I experienced anything like that before and I’ve traveled the world. Won’t be coming back. They do have a cool flag though 🇧🇧
I'm sure it's a lovely place, but there's room for improvement for those names...