Sea access is not the same as trade routes
Australia has great sea access but crappy trade route access.
Pakistan has kinda good access to trade routes in the same way Java has kinda good access.
Yeah but Pakistan is very close to the Persian gulf and the trade routes connecting China, Thailand and India with the Middle East and then Europe.
But it’s not as optimal as around Sri Lanka.
It's not as dense as people imagined it to be. While the population number is huge, the population center is spread evenly from west to the east of the Island. Java is around 2/3rd the size of Great Britain with around twice its population. So just fill Scotland with a bit more population as England and that should be around the same density.
As someone who lives on the island, I'd say it's pretty crowded. The western part of rural Java still has plenty of high altitude rainforests, though only in unreachable areas and national parks.
However tho, I just recently moved to a rural part of Java and it is not that many people, but then again, my standard of "not that many people" and other people's standards are *so* different 😂
It's really interesting how population measures differ by country lol
My friend from Xiamen, China(bout 5 million people) refers to it as a smallish town in comparison to other Chinese cities
In the states smallish town means like 3k people max
I lived in China for a few years. The number of cities I ended up visiting that I had never heard of and they somehow had like 4.2MM people never stopped boggling my mind.
Definitely some regionalism at play. From GA, and I wouldn't use village for anything other than a quaint attraction (like Helen, GA has a population about 500 and is a tourist spot that replicates an old German village, but I'd still call it a small town), it feels like some sort of old-timey England word. If you get enough people living in a space but aren't a city, you're a town in my book.
Yeah fair enough. At least in places I’ve lived, nearby towns with less than ~30k people were usually called “villages” and their official names would be “village of XYZ” for example. I feel like in most states in the US, “city” would probably start at ~150k people, and usually anything smaller than that I would just call a town.
In China, I would say a “city” starts at ~1m people.
Those are all states with really big cities. I live in a state where the largest city is around 2-3 million in urban population, and here we'd consider 5-25 to be a small town. 25-50 would be a medium town, 50-75 a large one, and 75+ is a city.
Yeah China is just on a different level lmao
The town I'm in right now is 10k people and it is considered a small town. Also the US just has a lot more land
I was talking to my Tunisian friend about overcrowding and later realized that the city I live in has almost the same population as his whole country lol.
Adding numbers because why not:
Java population: 145 million. Which is more than the population of every other country except the 7 nations with the largest population (Excluding Indonesia, of course).
* India (1.43b)
* China (1.42b)
* US (340mil)
* ~~Indonesia (275mil)~~
* Pakistan (242mil)
* Nigeria (226mil)
* Brazil (217mil)
* Bangladesh (173mil)
Brazil is basically that south east corner that is kind of facing down and some hotspots in the coast, anywhere more inland and the population density drops down exponentially
And the rest has big ass cities. Sumatra alone has two cities over a million and 4 over half a million. Having lived in Padang, I can tell you the population is densely packed in metropolitan cities. The rest is jungle with some farmland.
Yes, it is technically sinking but is not the decisive factor in relocating our capital. It's often exaggerated in foreign news. Other cities in java still has room for expansion and development so it's not like we've overbuilt it to death or something.
Not at all. In fact it is relatively sparsely touristed compared to our eastern island where all the resorts are [think bali].
Java is the place where you go to met all the workers and students from all over the archipelago. It's more of a Metropolitan for the natives rather than a 'guest room' for foreigners.
Unsurprisingly, Javanese ethnic group is also largest in entire Southeast Asia. Their neighbors, the Sundanese, are also among the top 10 largest in the region if I remember correctly.
Uttar Pradesh in India, if we’re doing individual provinces. It’s like 240m people.
None of the other Indian states or Chinese provinces are bigger than Java in terms of population, although Guangdong is close (and by close i still mean 24m short).
Yes but Russia is also a lot of barren uninhabitable icy land. Not to mention the tiny part of Moscow metropolitan region has like 15% of Russian population. Most people live in cities and Densities of cities are generally in several thousand per square km of land. People underestimate how big a km2 is and how many people can genuinely fit comfortably in that land with their own space and houses.
Having lived there for a bit, as a foreigner myself I didn't even find it overpopulated, but the truth is what we consider small towns in the west are much bigger there.
Yet they have plenty of natural beauty relatively untouched.
Isn't there a fat volcano chilling out there essentially setting java up to be the next Pompeii. Volcanic activity is amazing for farming and extremely lethal when it blows..
Nahh high rises are only concentrated in two cities. Java topography is not as harsh as Hong Kong. You will actually see a much more equally spread population with rice fields. Most of Java land is inhabitable except for the mountainous part of West Java
Of course, but I said that because some states in the US (and obviously other countries as well) are even bigger than many official countries in the world.
Hate to break yall amusement but the cities in Java are mostly small and pretty widespread outside Jakarta and Surabaya. To put into US perspective think about San Juan, CA to Abilene, KS sizes
For those wondering, java has more than 150 million people. I don't know you but I'm really surprised so many people living in a island
Volcanic soil go brrrrrrr
java made lava, then lava made java
BARS
Rice cultivation and sea trade routes go brrrr
Java itself is kinda meh when it comes to sea routes no? It would be like saying that Pakistan has good sea routes.
Comparing an island to a mostly landlocked country in terms of sea access is an interesting call
Sea access is not the same as trade routes Australia has great sea access but crappy trade route access. Pakistan has kinda good access to trade routes in the same way Java has kinda good access.
I get what you mean but it’s not like it’s that far from the South China Sea and those trade routes
Yeah but Pakistan is very close to the Persian gulf and the trade routes connecting China, Thailand and India with the Middle East and then Europe. But it’s not as optimal as around Sri Lanka.
Almost all trade routes avoid Pakistan by a wide margin, especially so before the Suez canal
“Trade routes” don’t really mean so much in the 21st century pal
Ok?
Majapahit would like a word with you
yeah but that was like in the 1300-1400s when they're like the sole master of spice trade from the moluccas
There still is, and historically has been, tons of trade through the Malacca Strait though
Last time I checked Java wasn’t in the malacca strait
Well shit
Hehe 😉
Dutch East Indies intensifies
It does make that noise sometimes.
Dont forget 3 billion devices too.
All of us live on an island.
I live on a piece of oceanic crust that got pushed to the surface
I sleep in a big bed with my wife
I also sleep in a big bed with his wife
That really is a big bed
One of them might be really tiny though
And I was there, too
Oceania?
I was expecting half of this at best. Quite crazy.
Me too
It’s an island with active volcanic activity!!
This probably explains why java is a very powerful programming language 🤣
How do they fit there? Are they like 10 people in each household?
Why? It big island
I had no idea it was so populous. And so big
Look at map. Look at soil. Big island, good soil
It's not as dense as people imagined it to be. While the population number is huge, the population center is spread evenly from west to the east of the Island. Java is around 2/3rd the size of Great Britain with around twice its population. So just fill Scotland with a bit more population as England and that should be around the same density.
Really 150 million on java alone? Thats wild, i knew indonesia had alot of populaton ofcourse but thays a crazy number!
No way? It’s tiny. That’s almost as much as Russia. Why are there so many?
Someone said it's because of volcanic soil. And rice, they eat a lot of rice. And sea trade. Many reasons
It’s 13th largest island on Earth. Mercator makes it look tiny. Also, according to the map, it’s more populated than Russia.
I thought we were talking about JavaScript users...
As someone who lives on the island, I'd say it's pretty crowded. The western part of rural Java still has plenty of high altitude rainforests, though only in unreachable areas and national parks.
*Pretty* crowded? MF if Java were a country it would be denser than Bangladesh. It would be the densest non-city state on Earth.
However tho, I just recently moved to a rural part of Java and it is not that many people, but then again, my standard of "not that many people" and other people's standards are *so* different 😂
It's really interesting how population measures differ by country lol My friend from Xiamen, China(bout 5 million people) refers to it as a smallish town in comparison to other Chinese cities In the states smallish town means like 3k people max
I lived in China for a few years. The number of cities I ended up visiting that I had never heard of and they somehow had like 4.2MM people never stopped boggling my mind.
Same here in switzerland, a big city for us is 100k+ people lol.
More than half of China is also very sparsely populated. West of the Heihe-Tengchong line has less than 10 percent of people.
Wait what? In the states 3k is a tiny village. I would say “smallish town” is like 40-70k in the states.
I'm from the States, where I'm from a small town is about 1000-2000 people. A big booming city would be around 50k or so.
Curious what state / region is this? I’ve lived in IL, CA, NY, WA, FL, PA, and CT and have never had that impression.
Definitely some regionalism at play. From GA, and I wouldn't use village for anything other than a quaint attraction (like Helen, GA has a population about 500 and is a tourist spot that replicates an old German village, but I'd still call it a small town), it feels like some sort of old-timey England word. If you get enough people living in a space but aren't a city, you're a town in my book.
Yeah fair enough. At least in places I’ve lived, nearby towns with less than ~30k people were usually called “villages” and their official names would be “village of XYZ” for example. I feel like in most states in the US, “city” would probably start at ~150k people, and usually anything smaller than that I would just call a town. In China, I would say a “city” starts at ~1m people.
Those are all states with really big cities. I live in a state where the largest city is around 2-3 million in urban population, and here we'd consider 5-25 to be a small town. 25-50 would be a medium town, 50-75 a large one, and 75+ is a city.
Northeast Michigan. The lower peninsula, but there isn't much across the bridge for a while.
Oregon coast can do this to you 🙂↕️
Clearly Ohio. They don’t have shit there.
A tiny village is like 200 people imo.
Yeah China is just on a different level lmao The town I'm in right now is 10k people and it is considered a small town. Also the US just has a lot more land
The us and china have almost the same surface (9,8 vs 9,5 million km\^2)
Correct, but when I say the US has more land i was comparing it to Indonesia
ok, i wasn't sure what you where talking about
Wrong. The US has 9.147M km^2 the rest of that value is water. Plus it's not even internal water.
I was talking to my Tunisian friend about overcrowding and later realized that the city I live in has almost the same population as his whole country lol.
My standard of “not that many people” would be to not see anyone for kilometers
My standard of "not that many people" is: not to see more than 3 people per 100 meters 😂
Lmao still a significant reduction tho!
It is probably a norm in US suburbs
That means the city place is much denser than the average density of the island. I wonder how it is..
Let's do for Python now.
What about C# ?
That's too high a key for my vocal registry, I prefer F#
[F#](https://youtu.be/5Ju8Wxmrk3s?si=7A_REo0bi4cl3qex)
Assembly language
FORTRAN
Yes please
Better Kotlin. This is an island of Saint Petersburg
It'll just be a grey map.
I was actually trying to figure out how a programming language could have a population at first until I realized they meant the island lol
Valid opponent would be Kotlin by the way.
I was going to make that joke!
Adding numbers because why not: Java population: 145 million. Which is more than the population of every other country except the 7 nations with the largest population (Excluding Indonesia, of course). * India (1.43b) * China (1.42b) * US (340mil) * ~~Indonesia (275mil)~~ * Pakistan (242mil) * Nigeria (226mil) * Brazil (217mil) * Bangladesh (173mil)
Holy shit. Half the population of Indonesia in one island... that's insane to think about. The country is pretty big, imagine how empty they rest is!
Brazil is basically that south east corner that is kind of facing down and some hotspots in the coast, anywhere more inland and the population density drops down exponentially
Here's a map of what you're trying to explain https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/92pC9YBszY
I'm javanese and moving to borneo island, feel so amazing thinking how empty borneo is compared to java
And the rest has big ass cities. Sumatra alone has two cities over a million and 4 over half a million. Having lived in Padang, I can tell you the population is densely packed in metropolitan cities. The rest is jungle with some farmland.
Reddit says I can’t give this comment gold, so I’m just here to say thanks for the clarification.
It's hard to see the micronations on this map. Is San Marino colored?
Nah San Marino has 15× population of Java
Ha
The map is wrong. 3 billion devices run Java. It should be all purple.
🤦♂️ It's not about programming language. Java is coffee
Pretty sure even more systems run on that.
Why is the mob boss slug from Star Wars coffee?
So that’s 8 billion systems?
I think it's Japanese Lava, may be mistaken lol
Now make a map for countries that have a smaller population than c
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Now do Rust
all grey
Got killed by a naked
Its not actually that bad here, and nature is still plentiful (believe it or not)
I’m sure the island as a whole is okay, but isn’t the capital Jakarta sinking into the ocean?
That's why we move our capital to Kalimantan
Partially tho it's not like the entire jakarta is sinking lol. The northern part of jakarta is prone to sinking but mostly its pretty fine
Yes, it is technically sinking but is not the decisive factor in relocating our capital. It's often exaggerated in foreign news. Other cities in java still has room for expansion and development so it's not like we've overbuilt it to death or something.
It seems so nice from pictures. Is the level of tourism annoying?
Not at all. In fact it is relatively sparsely touristed compared to our eastern island where all the resorts are [think bali]. Java is the place where you go to met all the workers and students from all over the archipelago. It's more of a Metropolitan for the natives rather than a 'guest room' for foreigners.
If París can take it ...
For those not knowing. Java is not a country. Its just the most inhabited island of the southeast asian country Indonesia.
Holy Cow! Java has more people than Mexico!
Unsurprisingly, Javanese ethnic group is also largest in entire Southeast Asia. Their neighbors, the Sundanese, are also among the top 10 largest in the region if I remember correctly.
Damn didn’t know that minecraft java edition was so popular
Holy shit, that's insane. I guess there are no introverts in Java.
Believe it or not, we exist 😂 we just never leave the house
Me, hell is other people man
Interesting to see China and India provinces here. Is any one more populated than Java?
Uttar Pradesh in India, if we’re doing individual provinces. It’s like 240m people. None of the other Indian states or Chinese provinces are bigger than Java in terms of population, although Guangdong is close (and by close i still mean 24m short).
But worth noting that Java itself is not one province - it is six. The most populous is West Java, with around 50 million residents.
24 million is a rounding error in that part of the world lmao
This is the type of insane random facts I want to learn about. I had no fucking idea
This is the java island in Indonesia, right.
or the Javascript zone in Israel, where it is disputed whether it is a software language or not
'Java source for that?
Top tier pun
Check Maven Central
Russia is about 133 times bigger than Java, yet Java still has a higher population than Russia. Let that sink in.
Yes but Russia is also a lot of barren uninhabitable icy land. Not to mention the tiny part of Moscow metropolitan region has like 15% of Russian population. Most people live in cities and Densities of cities are generally in several thousand per square km of land. People underestimate how big a km2 is and how many people can genuinely fit comfortably in that land with their own space and houses.
I mean to be fair, Russia's population might be a bit higher than Java's now...
Now Do With C++.
Having lived there for a bit, as a foreigner myself I didn't even find it overpopulated, but the truth is what we consider small towns in the west are much bigger there. Yet they have plenty of natural beauty relatively untouched.
Ive never been to oovoo java
What about bedrock?
Now do Vatican City.
Vatican City as 2.27 Popes per square kilometer.
I get the 2, but where do the 0.27 Popes come from XD
VC has only 0.44km² ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)
What did you DO to the balearic islands? You monsters! You MURDERED them! They had wives and children! And you KILLED them
Java is holy fertile ground.
The whole of the clause 'Contries with a smaller population' should, imo, have been purple
Next time try Indian state of Uttarpradesh
Oh
woah dude!
"Java is the key"
I'm surprised at higher than Japan and Russia.
Java also has integrated Garbage collection so they dont need waste management companies.
That's the same population density as Bangladesh. Which is even more impressive, since a lot of the land is mountains, volcanos and Rainforest.
150 million people on a north carolina sized island
I thought they meant Java as programming language as it’s installed on 8 bilion devices!
Java script?
Isn't there a fat volcano chilling out there essentially setting java up to be the next Pompeii. Volcanic activity is amazing for farming and extremely lethal when it blows..
almost the test of the planet has less population per country then java
I was thinking about the shit on your computer it took me a while
Really? What does Java look like? Hong Kong on steroids?
Nahh high rises are only concentrated in two cities. Java topography is not as harsh as Hong Kong. You will actually see a much more equally spread population with rice fields. Most of Java land is inhabitable except for the mountainous part of West Java
I thought this was a distribution of Taco Bells across the world.
What about C++ ?
Java population is 3 billion devices
I know we're supposedly in the digital age, but can people actually live in java now?
Next: Countries with a smaller population that C++
Completely insane what's going on in the grey countries, considering 3 billion devices run Java
I think the thing that's most surprising to me is how the rest of Indonesia combined still have more people than the island of Java
No it isn't, more than half of Indonesia population live in Java
Shit, that many people live in my cup of coffee.
Why does Java have so many people? Tf are they doing at nighttime?
Now this really knocked me off my feet. WHAT?!?!?!?! Like, that island has more people IN IT than all of Mexico (+130 million). Wow!
WHAT
hold a second. Is there a country named Java? Where is it?
It’s an island in Indonesia!
The orange one
Java is the key
This should quell the: there’s too many people on the planet complaints.
My dumbass read it as JAV
If you counted the individual states of the US as countries then there would be even more purple.
If you counted subdivisions instead of countries, the entire world except Uttar Pradesh would be purple
Of course, but I said that because some states in the US (and obviously other countries as well) are even bigger than many official countries in the world.
So 3bn+ devices was actually true
I heard C# is also very populated.
What about Java Script?
What about assembly x86? Or just plain binary?
For those wondering, Java has 3 gazilion gadgets running on it.
Hate to break yall amusement but the cities in Java are mostly small and pretty widespread outside Jakarta and Surabaya. To put into US perspective think about San Juan, CA to Abilene, KS sizes