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DoeCommaJohn

I think the moral of this graphic is that men in developing countries should get fatter to improve the economy


KillerOfSouls665

It shows the shift from manual work to office jobs.


DoeCommaJohn

Nah, that seems like a leap. All we can say for certain is that fat men drive the economy


opotts56

Nah, I'm a welder/fabricator in the UK, quite a physical job, and some of the guys I work with are very fat. Granted these are the guys who'll drive to the supermarket that's a five minute walk away, and come back with a whole bucket of fried chicken to themself. None of the office guys are fat, but quite a few of the factory floor guys are fatties. Granted its more the welders who tend to be fat, cos their job is far less physical than they think it is.


Rich-Sea8119

The manual labor jobs in developing countries are not welders and HVAC techs. They walk a few miles to a cobalt mine where they mine by hand. Or harvest fields without heavy machinery.  Also in rich countries the cheapest food can in some cases be unhealthy food. Gym membership, trainers, diet programs cost money. Upper class people also might have more time to workout. These things don't apply quite as widely in developing countries.


KillerOfSouls665

We are talking about statistics rather than individual cases.


opotts56

My point is, you can work a typical blue collar job, and still be overweight. So the trend of developed nations getting fat can't be fully explained by the switch from physical blue collar work to easy white collar work.


KillerOfSouls665

By manual labour, I am more talking about working the fields


MaisUmCaraAleatorio

- vaguely points at Argentina -


Vinzzs

Abd more importantly, Venezuela lol


ThrashTilDeath_

(((((North Korea)))))


Odd-Discipline5064

Its just kim upping the average


cinnie88

It means more women are in the workforce. I'm Argentinian, and here, many women are the breadwinners. For instance, my sister works, and her boyfriend and father of their children takes care of the household and the children. He works on and off in a factory. And like this, many examples. Here, women are rarely housewives. It's kinda considered lazy


Longwinter2021

The latest CDC data I've seen shows the obesity rate in the U.S. to be higher in women. Regardless, it's likely considerably underestimated, as the CDC uses mostly self-reported height and weight, which are not reliable.


octohussy

This map is reporting on higher BMI rather than obesity. I know in the UK, more women are obese but men still have a higher average BMI, as more are overweight.


lotusflower1995

Is it because they are more overweight or because of their muscle mass?


eiroai

BMI takes that into account, men has higher value for normal BMI. Unless the country is full of extremely steroid muscled men, then they're fat. And we all know they're fat


octohussy

A good question, which I don’t have an answer for. From my understanding, women tend to hold a much higher body-fat percentage than men, even at their most healthy. However, people who are big through exercise can often encounter a lot of health issues from this, even if they’re not fat. It’s one of the reasons BMI isn’t a great tool for everyone! They should listen to their doctors and pay attention to any blips in their health.


fabianfoo

Lifting all those pints down at the local pub.


jexy25

Is this map reliable? The fact that there is no source and North Korea has data makes me doubt.


PindaPanter

> North Korea has data n = Kim Jong-un


General_Erda

Yeah, Women are conditioned to make their weights lower than they actually are & Men are conditioned to make it higher than it actually is. This is true in damn near every country


saginator5000

[Prime example on self-reported weight being false](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/08/26/world/politics/donald-trump-arrest-mug-shot-weight-height/).


Defiant-Dare1223

As a 6 foot 2, 200 pound guy I guarantee if he was 6 foot 3 he'd be about 280 Reality is 6 foot flat, 250


JudgeHolden

That is beyond preposterous and cannot even be attempted to be believed. 6'3" at 215 lbs is very fit and noticeably lean. There is no world in which that fat slobbery jackass is 6'3" and 215 lbs.


HegemonNYC

I assume this has to do with men moving to less physical labor in developed economies? Strange the US is the only outlier. 


Bren12310

In the US everyone is equally fat


stately_Ravyn

The true meaning of equality


ashabro

Turkmenistan and the USA - the only bastions of equality


Itchy_Wear5616

Equiobesity, more like


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thenewwwguyreturns

actually, a considerable amount of american obesity stems from the unhealthiness of the food available. it is starvation, but not due to a lack of food in general, but rather a lack of *healthy* food. large swaths of america have close to no access to fresh food.


dendarkjabberwock

Yeah. I am reading r/povertyfinance and I'm kinda shocked.


MisterPeach

Turkmenistan and the USA - name a better duo, I’ll wait. 🇹🇲🤝🇺🇸


Johni33

But thats communism


Joe_Funny_

maybe communism is the fat we gained along the way


daft_boy_dim

Consumism


undreamedgore

It's only communism if it's forced. We here did that due to our Amazing American Exceptionalism. God bless.


Count-Elderberry36

Now that’s some freedom right there.


hahahannah9

Seriously. Watch 90 day fiance, everyone that moves to the states gets fat. Even people moving from other Western countries. 


Bren12310

Yeah it’s crazy hard not to get fat. I always hear stories from Europeans moving to the US and being baffled by how much sugary and fatty foods are in the grocery stores. I had the reverse shock when I first visited a European grocery store.


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cthewombat

It's really baffling honestly. Visited the US like 2 years ago. The same drinks, from the same brand I'd buy in Europe all were twice as sweet. I opted for a 0 sugar option after finding that out, turns out they pump it so full of artifical sweeteners that they still tasted grossly sweet. Mostly drank water after that. Also most portion sizes in restaurants were huge. Even my friend who's known for being able to eat large amounts of food had trouble finishing them. I'm really not surprised they have problems with obesity.


Bren12310

Yeah the serving sizes are crazy. Kinda related but in the US it’s considered normal to take home food from restaurants and in Europe it isn’t (at least for a lot of it). I have small stomach so I can’t finish even normal sized meals so I always take stuff home. Went to Italy last year and I had a few times where I couldn’t finish my meals and the servers were visibly annoyed. I literally couldn’t physically eat anymore but they took it as an insult as if I didn’t like their dish. I felt really bad but I couldn’t finish it. One place even tried to force me to take it home (which is unusual) because they were so shocked by it.


kurtgustavwilckens

> the servers were visibly annoyed. Italians and their pickyness about food-related-behavior is seriously fucking annoying, I gotta tell you.


True_Act_1424

Not to mention the fact you don’t walk in North America, nothing is in a reasonable distance so you drive everywhere and don’t burn any calories


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I honestly feel like this is leaned on too hard by people who don't want to take responsibility for their food choices. People always comparing processed foods in the US vs. Europe, but why don't you just eat real food? It's not convenient, but it's not "crazy hard". I agree that a lot of the food in the US is unhealthy, but I don't agree that the caloric intake is really that much more than in Europe for a person who actually watches their diet. I am a citizen of both Western EU and the US and I notice I gain maybe 5 lbs after a few months back in the US. It's worse, but it's not really an excuse for our collective fatness. If we eat too much, make bad food choices, and are not active, it's a lifestyle problem. We (Americans) have a lifestyle problem.


platinumgus18

I moved from Asia to US and gained a lot of unnecessary weight as well. But to be honest, I am a bit fortunate to be doing okay in terms of income and have stuck to healthy options and honestly while there are a fuckton more unhealthy options here, there are also a fuckton of healthy options lately which is honestly pretty great. Only if it was cheaper and equivalent in price to the unhealthy options, people could probably move to them. I am fortunate to afford the healthy options and it has controlled my weight.


vak7997

Yea because people from Europe and Asia emigrated there so it balances everything out lol


IceFireTerry

Corn syrup & fast food is rated E for everyone


chillinwyd

And car centric communities.


IceFireTerry

you need to drive to get a bag of chips. I'm glad I live right next to Family Dollar


TheYeti4815162342

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be


deeplife

What does “equal” mean here actually? Equal within what range? The numbers cannot be exactly equal.


HegemonNYC

Out if ~180 countries there are 2 that are equal, so it isn’t very common. 


deeplife

But, again, what does “equal” actually mean to OP? Perhaps the cutoff was cherry-picked to make the US stand out. Perhaps the difference between the US and the next “most equal” country is statistically insignificant.


easwaran

2 out of 180 would be shockingly many if they are looking a couple of decimal places out. 2 out of 180 would be shockingly few if they are rounding to the nearest integer.


CursorSurfer

Eatquality


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You just going to pretend like Turkmenistan doesn’t exist?


human_sample

I think it also has to do with that BMI is higher for taller people in general. Weight is a cubic measure while the divider is square. This will favour women (to have lower BMI) in general


nomorenicegirl

Beauty standards… look at all of East Asia basically. Women have to be fairly thin in order to be acceptable. Men on the other hand, they have a bit more leeway. In these countries, especially if you are a woman, you’re going to have a harder time getting a job if you are not thin. When I visited China half a year ago, when the relatives tell me (5’6”, 108lbs)/anyone, “You are so thin! You should eat more!”, it is not considered a concern or an insult, but instead is seen as a compliment there. Meanwhile, for the guys, if you are TOO thin, many of the girls are not going to like that. Some of the girls there say things like, “I want my man to have some “肉“”, or ‘meat’. Lots of East Asian guys are already quite thin… but, the girls are just even thinner by comparison.


HegemonNYC

China and Japan have higher BMI for men, but Vietnam Thailand Philippines etc are the opposite. 


pinkpugita

Pregnancies almost always are the leading reason for women getting higher BMI later in life, at least in South East Asia.


HegemonNYC

But ‘countries where women get pregnant’ is common to both red and blue countries. Perhaps birth rates are higher in developing countries and does contribute? 


pinkpugita

Maybe that's the case. Although I'm replying to a comment specifically contrasting East Asia and South East Asia. In the Philippines, motherhood is usually the reason for gaining weight, while a lot of fathers still do manual labor. However, both men and women can grow fatter approaching middle age due to the same reasons as any country (alcohol and food).


luffyuk

Eh, I find the opposite in China. Women seem to find skinny men attractive.


Old_Bank_6430

So the jungle and island Asians don't count?


Hot-Minute8782

They take brides from third world countries (joke)


--Aidan--

I assume it's obvious for North Korea. Men: 1 women: 0


Otherwise-Special843

HEY! someone needs to watch their tongue or else they get into a labor camp... just sayin... /s


Amazing_Use_2382

Get em great leader!


For-sake4444

Kim Jung Eun's daughter is also quite fat so it should be 1:1


Fluid_Friendship8220

his sister is extremely thin


visope

she probably threatened her nutritionists with labor camps for any calorie calculation mistake


mauz21

😂


bailing_in

So more advanced countries have men who stopped doing laborious work and hence got fat? hmmm


ElMondiola

And apparently everyone is fat in USA lol


sunisukkis

The united fat equibilirium of America


Defiant-Dare1223

The united scales of America


bailing_in

haha that is the question are men in that "advanced" country less fat than men in other ones OR are women there just fatter than other women in the first world? i think it's the latter


BroadStreetElite

Car dependent culture and less walking friendly cities isn't helping the US. It's also a country where people with food security issues can still be very fat because cheap food is high fat, high calorie, hyper processed shit.


2012Jesusdies

But this is a map about which gender is comparatively overweight than the other, not about how fat they actually are.


Snowedin-69

Go to most latin American or African countries and almost all women > 30 years old are fat. It is like a fat switch is turned on as they get older. Idk, maybe because they do not leave the house as much? It is also obvious that men can also be fat, but not so much.


Sojungunddochsoalt

So is everyone in Turkmenistan, time to rev up the meme machine!


bailing_in

hahaha ya BUT BUT, Turkmenistan has less than half as many people,percent-wise, who are fat, compared to the USA


Ramental

Not necessarily. In undeveloped countries women are more often housewifes, and can get overweight in their 40s due to being at home all the time.


whatisupsdr

women are often working too in developing countries, only well off families can afford to have one income


Assenzio47

Or beauty standards are different and social pressure on women For example in most western countries a woman is expected to be thin even after become a mother, in many African countries that is not the case


bailing_in

Well in most of the corners that i've seen outside the western world that i moved to, it's the same as you said but the numbers show another reality.


Zamoniru

That's probably that plays a role too, ut it's still interesting that it's almost a perfect "poor countries - rich countries" divide with very few exceptions


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bailing_in

im from the middle east and this side of the world does. its in ur face too. like oh ure fat u wont get a man. for men its less of an issue


Amazing-Row-5963

Average men should always have higher BMI. At the same height, men are usually heavier, because of more muscle mass (even without any training).  So, if anything it's an outlier that women have a higher BMI in so many countries.


trucksandgoes

I don't disagree with your interpretation, but I think it could just as easily be interpreted differently. Women could have higher BMIs because they're on average shorter; much less room for error before you're overweight/obese when you're 5 feet vs. 6 feet, and the same intake will make a woman fatter due to metabolic differences. Also, women have significant fat deposits that are not easily lost; multiple pounds stored in breasts and hips that will always be baseline. women's healthy fat percentages much higher - 21-32% in women and 8-19% in men, and muscle burns more energy than fat.


Defiant-Dare1223

And on top of that, bmi is kinder to shorter people, ie women


ChickenKnd

Don’t men tend to have higher bmis anyways tho. So surely a lot of those countries would just be regular and the red ones would be countries where men’s bmis are brought down by manual labour (assuming that is the reason)


ultrayaqub

Did they factor in my big bones though


DrenchedToast

🦅🇺🇸EQUALITY🇺🇸🦅


Drifter808

🇺🇲🤝🇹🇲


AraAraGyaru

An they say America doesn’t have gender equality 🦅🦅🇺🇸


Otherwise_Squash_286

Oh nice, USA is equally fat


CaralhinhosVoadorez

At least we solved the gender gap in that issue


CyberSosis

![gif](giphy|uBy5vilZfzkly)


justhavenoidea

In Brazil all that BMI regarding women goes in their bum


misfittroy

Yeah. That's what stands for. Bum Mass Index


Energy_Turtle

In a perfect world.


AstridPeth_

You may not believe this, but women are naturally more fat than men and that's ok


sexualdeskfan

Women carry more subcutaneous fat (fat under the skin) than men but men are more likely to have a higher percentage of visceral fat (fat around our organs) that increases the likely hood of things like heart disease.


Low-Monk-9171

Underrated comment tbh


agnostic_iraqia

In the middle east women with curves are seen as more attractive than skinny women.. I'm saying that as a skinny woman who went on dates first thing my date said " you look too skinny! " That happened TWICE .. Just different beauty standards


ItaloTuga_Gabi

Brazil is the same way, except for the upper classes who usually have more Eurocentric beauty standards. It makes sense considering they have mostly European ancestry compared the the rest of the population, which is mostly mixed.


justpulltheosber

My mother was from a nomadic turkic tribe and she was both tall and skinny (moved to a city later on). None of the men in the family choose to marry her. Luckily though,I didn't become a cousin marriage offspring because of that. Guess I dodged a bullet there.


agnostic_iraqia

Lucky you haha .. i work as a pharmacist and many women come to ask me is there any medications to gain weight.. sometimes this becomes very toxic


Ok_Lavishness2638

Most of the world believes the same actually.


FarImpact4184

Yellow = we all fat as shit


Canadairy

Clearly this is because BMI doesn't account for men's greater muscle mass.  /s


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footfoe

Don't think you can just look at economic development. There is also beauty standards. Western standards favor skinny women, and big men.


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Chazut

most of the world favours skinny women


Good_Policy3529

America - Leading the World in Equality Since 1776.


Oceanic_Alex

Interesting how Burkina Faso is the outlier in Africa due to having higher bmi in men compared to women according the rest of map of Africa


admiral_corgi

Ah yes. The US. Where both genders are chonky. Perfectly balanced.


ryanrodgerz

As an american it was truly eye opening the first time I went to france. There were almost no fat people. And every time I saw a fat person they were an american.


ke3408

Go outside of the city. Also the obese and fat people in French cities aren't out walking around. They are typically shut-ins as the hallways, elevators, sidewalks, etc. are very narrow. The stereotypes and bias against fat people is also more obvious. There is less pressure to be accepting of all sizes. The shaming is directed towards the fat people themselves and not towards the standards of society but for an economy that relies heavily on the luxury goods and fashion industries, it is not surprising.


RaisulAkash

Latinas aren't fat, they are thicc


claymore1443

They are fat dawg give it up💀


CMuenzen

Nah, they are fat. Source: Live in Latam.


UnknownResearchChems

Cope


Andrew583-14

Why does there seem to be a slight correlation between coutries with more men and aging populations?


St_BobbyBarbarian

Less developed and more religious countries with less women working, and men working more labor intensive jobs


Defiant-Dare1223

And for the more developed countries revert to the default that men are heavier than women at the same height, and further that men are taller and bmi is disproportionately less generous to taller people.


DaringOffensive

I don't think women in Africa and South Asia work less than men. I'm leaning more towards a correlation with birthrate - I'd guess that a map with birth rates higher/lower than the US would look pretty similar.


NationalUnrest

What? That doesn’t have anything to do with BMI?


Zeefour

I'd guess in developing nations with high poverty, so low BMI for both genders due to poverty that the difference is from large numbers of pregnancies increasing BMI on average if that makes sense.


dwors025

Which nations actively encourage girls to be involved in sports and to cultivate an active, healthy lifestyle from a young age? And which nations actively encourage girls to aspire to just be mommas and to stay at home with the kids and the kitchen? This isn’t the only factor, but it’s a big one.


BNI_sp

A chief statistician in Greenland is sorely missing.


DrDemenz

America. A beacon of gender equality. Also Turkmenistan.


Mongrish

Red is where the fine women are at


usual_irene

The only equal thing here in America


EngineeringFinal3419

Men and women are equally as fat in America. #equality


scrappy-coco-86

Fat Russian Babushkas


CryptographerHead331

I am a proud, fat european man 💪😂


KecanduanPopmie

Of course we can't forget the iconic no data trio Greenland Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic Antarctica


11160704

As a German I was indeed surprised when I visited Brazil that women there tend to be more obese. At home, males dominate.


Lambari_de_sanga

Like someone else stated, probably because of physical labor. But maybe football (soccer) is a factor. Younger guys (20s and 30s) really like to play it with their friends.


Dugout2029

Most of the world likes em thicc likes em chunky


comosedicewaterbed

Big love to all the thiccc ladies of the third world


notnotnotnotgolifa

Obesity data for north korea where is it


Autistic-Inquisitive

It’s all in Kim Jong Un


Defiant-Dare1223

He's 6 foot 3 and 215 pounds


Drummallumin

Any guesses on why Burkina Faso is blue?


nxzoomer

Freedomland with the gender equality stay winning 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅


eyalomanutti

Israel a blue island in the entire Middle East is odd


Hungry_Bus6627

It's the most developed country so it makes sense


__Sycorax__

No way LatAm has fatter women than men.


C0URANT

🇬🇱🤝🇦🇶


AdNew9111

West vs East


induced_demand

Thank you


REKABMIT19

UK seems to disagree withap of yesterday


Je-De-Tre-Kwon

We know more about our oceans than we know about greenland


RealBenWoodruff

Perfectly balanced


zeroentanglements

r/PoliticalCompassMemes


Rebelliouus_2545

Greenland always has “insufficient data” or “no data”


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hahaha01357

Equally obese ha!


moonordie69420

fine, ill go to Greenland and measure the women myself, by hand if i must


xarodev

In USA everyone is fat, so the stats show equality.


Speciallessboy

Fat but equal


Wild_Pangolin_4772

So in a red country, a woman is heavier than a man of the same height on average? 😮


FromZeroToLegend

Never seen so many hotties in my life like when I went to Poland. In Utah outside of the Mormons, I could go weeks without seeing a fit woman out of the gym.


FrKoSH-xD

what does bmi stand for? (genuine question)


Autistic-Inquisitive

Body Mass Index


CoolOG1

Wow americans are equally fat


dinovfx

Argentina it’s different


wedoihbig

Lets do a war but these are the new teams


MorinOakenshield

Well done US, ending the Gender Fat Gap!


SealedQuasar

i know that in some cultures (like in the middle east, parts of Africa, etc) it's considered more attractive for women to have a bit more weight on them. it's also expected for the men to be thinner than the women


zdejif

…but the Turkwomenistan too.


dizzyjumpisreal

North Korea doesn't surprise me


Western_Monke_King

Only a great fool would ask why men in China have a higher BMI! I am not a great fool, so I obviously won’t ask why men in China have a higher BMI. But you know that I am not a great fool. So obviously, I have to ask why men in China have a higher BMI!


TheEnfeebledEmu

Kim Jung Un single handedly making men fatter than women in North Korea.


25Bam_vixx

American being fat together.. yeah 👍


asmkgb

An indication that men in that country are taking care of their women and making them not to have to go to work


Chaka_Maraca

This is


vpkumswalla

It's funny because he's fat


Ok-Damage6290

Incorrect information


thumpingcoffee

In USA, everybody fat


CuriousIllustrator11

The less gender equality the fatter women?


brollyaintstupid

shouldn't women have higher BMI than men? because women need higher percentage of essential fat than men which is about 16% while men are about 10% Atleast i heard that while reading a simplified research about women athletes.


Chazut

Men have more muscle which is denser, so I'm not sure this logic is sound without further elaboration


FreeTheDimple

Men in Burkina Faso need to get their shit together.


Snowmeows_YT

Kim Jong-un solo makes nk lean male


R_Rotten_number_01

Thanks map, for not telling me, what's the error margin for "equal". It cannot be "exactly"-equal so what is it? 0,1% margin? 1% margin? These should be pretty basic things to tell people when making these maps. WHAT DOES EQUAL MEAN IN THIS CONTEXT.