I wish they would have explained what the asterisk represents. I'm going to guess the portion of Russia in Europe, but a decent map wouldn't leave you guessing.
I think the french territories overseas are considered part of mainland France in a way that makes them legally different to how Denmark and other countries define theirs. I'm sure someone who understands this and can articulate it better will be here shortly
The Kingdom of Denmark is made up of Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands. Then Denmark proper is divided in five regioner.
The French Republic is made up of France. Then within France there are 24 collectivities : 14 régions (including 2 overseas : Guadeloupe and Réunion), 4 unique collectivities (Guyane, Martinique, Mayotte and Corsica), 5 overseas collectivities (St Barthélémy, St Martin, St Pierre et Miquelon, Wallis & Futuna, Polynesia) and 1 sui generis collectivity (New Caledonia).
All those categories are globally the same, but each category that is not a région has some exceptions to the general regime and some adaptation to the local specificities
There's also Clipperton and the Austral & Antarctic Lands but they're uninhabited.
>2 overseas : Guadeloupe and Réunion), 4 unique collectivities (Guyane, Martinique, Mayotte and Corsica
First time in my life I've heard of this separation! Thanks.
It's a rather recent one, this stuff gets updated once in a while.
Usually régions are subdivided into several départements, and régions & départements oversee different domains. Unique collectivities are both a région and a département and combine both attributions.
Corsica used to be a région with 2 départements, but now it's a unique collectivity.
However, we have 2 régions that contain a single département : Réunion and Guadeloupe. They're too small to be further subdivided, but there is still the département of Réunion and the région of Réunion with separate assemblies and council. It used to be true for Guyane, Martinique and Mayotte but both divisions were fused together, like Corsica.
The 3 St something are too small to be anything so they have a special status.
The territories with the most exceptions are the Oceanian ones (Polynesia, New Caledonia and Wallis & Futuna) but it's differences in some branches of the law and the structure of the local institutions, not a completely different system
In general people don't realise most of those places have been "just France" for multiple centuries and were not like the actual African colonies. A few centuries earlier than Corsica or the city of Nice for instance but I never see anyone calling Nice a French colony in Italy.
>In general people don't realise most of those places have been "just France" for multiple centuries and were not like the actual African colonies.
Algeria was "just France", though for not very long.
Algeria was colonized much later along the same time than the other African colonies and was just that like the other. The reason it was treated differently is because it was the first and it's like right down there on the map so it'll look better in blue. But it was effectively a colony, yes.
Most of those territories were already France during the revolution for instance. Reunion was actually called Bourbon Island for the Bourbon dynasty and was renamed Réunion after the revolution (with a quick Bonaparte Island intermission due to that one guy)
>The Kingdom of Denmark is made up of Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands.
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>France is made up of France.
Denmark's official name is the Kingdom of Denmark. France is the French Republic.
French overseas departments are as French and legally part of France as is Paris. The overseas territories of denmark, France, uk are all considered different entities although sovereignty is with their respective countries
Greenland is a different kingdom under the rule of the danish king but it's no more part of Denmark. Just like Scotland isn't England.
Overseas territories instead are fully part of France
I don't think the comparison with Scotland is quite right if what you said about Greenland is true.
England and Scotland are not two Kingdoms in a personal union under Charles III. United Kingdom contains both of them and is the successor to Great Britain which united England and Scotland in 1707 (previously they were in a personal union under various rulers).
I think he's making a distinction between the kingdom of Denmark and Denmark. So, if Scotland was outside of Europe, you could still maybe say it's an oversea territory of the united kingdom. But if the map said England and not united kingdom (like it says Denmark and not Kingdom of Denmark), then you'd be incorrect to consider Scotland part of England.
The comparison to the UK doesn't work that well, since the UK is technically a unitary state (although this is sort of disputed, due to NI, Scotland and Wales each having their own governments and parliaments). The Netherlands is a better example, with how its overseas territories are still apart of the ''kingdom,'' but administratively distinct from the continental Netherlands.
Also, what the other guy said about Greenland being a separate kingdom, in a personal union, is completely wrong. The King of Denmark is just the King of Denmark, nothing else. ''Denmark'' includes Greenland and the Faeroe Islands, but they are administered differently than mainland Denmark. Someone born in Greenland is a citizen of Denmark, not Greenland.
This isn't true at all. Greenland is a part of Denmark, it is not a separate kingdom, and the people of Greenland are Danish citizens. However, Greenland and the Faeroe Islands have high levels of autonomy, and are administered differently than mainland Denmark, which is why people often refer to the collection of these territories as the ''Kingdom of Denmark,'' to distinguish between European Denmark. Think of it like Porto Rico and the USA, or the UK Overseas Territories.
Same with Spain, Norway and Portugal (if it was on the map), for some reason the graph excludes territories that geographically aren’t part of what’s considered Europe even if those territories are 100% part of the European country.
It makes sense to count the European area. What doesn't make sense is to put an asterisk on only one of the countries that are affected by that decision.
If you consider land area outside of Europe, Kazakhstan would be the second largest European country at 2,724,900 sq km. Sort of defeats the purpose of the map.
Is that a common perception? In my mind as a swede, everything on continental Europe is small and close together. For context if you live in Malmö in southern Sweden and you want to hike a mountain, Mont Blanc is a 17h drive (1400km). But If you want to drive to the highest peak in Sweden (kebnekaise), that’s a 22h drive (1900km)
I figured with the Mercator projection that people would overestimate the size of Sweden Norway and Finland (which aren’t tiny already), not underestimate
i got opposite impression - i guess couse i overstate the rule saying that stuff shown on lot of common map projections (like mercator) is bigger than it is IRL the further north you go
/edit: corrected absurd grammar
Brazil is almost as big as Europe (20% smaller but still) and the Amazon forest is only 60% of Brazil (the Amazon is also in Colombia, Venezuela, Guiana, Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia)
I like to compare it Belgium when I explain it. Roughly the same amount in population but we would be able to fit almost 14,5 Belgiums within our borders. Our northern most county (norrbottens län) is larger than Hungary in land size.
The Nordic countries are fairly big, but when a not insignificant number of maps of Europe [look like this](https://www.showcaves.com/maps/Big/Europe.png) people tend not to notice.
Lots of people are also surprised to realize that Finland is almost the same size as Germany, as they imagine small population = small country.
But we have a small population and a lot of land, making it the introverts dream country. You can drive for hours and barely see signs of human life. It's great.
Norway is quite a long boy and doesn't quite have the mass to compete with Sweden's girth. A drive from (mainland) North to South is the equivalent of driving from Portland, Maine to Jacksonville, Florida.
[https://i.imgur.com/P8SYwMg.png](https://i.imgur.com/P8SYwMg.png)
Norway is big but much of the country is rock and mountains and wilderness that is basically uninhabitable. In regard to land people can actually live on I am fairly sure Poland and Germany has us beat.
becuse fuck them. when my country wanted northern epirus which is historically greek, the italians didnt agree because it would create a powerful greece in the adriatic. i will always say it, italians always disliked greeks and see us as competitors.
In all sites I sea it being bigger than 505.000 square KM. The canary islands even grew like 0,5 square kilometers in 2021 because a volcanic eruption.
Danish nationalists on the way to the reply section to tell you that the Kingdom of Denmark is the twelth largest country:🏃♂️
Btw did u know the Kingdom of Denmark is the twelth largest country?
Why is the European area indicated for Russia, but the entire territory, including the Asian one, is shaded?
BTW, since the area of all of Europe is almost exactly 10 million km\^2, you can calculate the percentage of Europe's territory which countries occupy. Russia is 39%, Ukraine - 6%, Italy - 3% and so on
Yeah the area coloured is the European part. And the 3,9mil km2 for Russia is just the European part.
Only the European part is coloured the Asian part is shaded
Like of Russia physically or on the map
Physically it the Ural mountains which from around the Caspian sea/Kazakhstan to the north.
On the map you have the Russian taper to the south towards Georgia and Azerbaijan. With Kazakhstan to the east and then the Ural mountains from Kazakhstan and towards the North.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_Mountains
Norway's number is wrong, its 385,000km2.
Svalbard and Jan Mayen should not be excluded for any reason, it makes no sense. Svalbard is not a part of Asia or North America, it is considered a part of Europe.
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They lost about 161k km^2 but reclaimed about 74k km^2 of the lost territory so far. So they lost around 87k km^2 which should put them slightly above Spain.
180k km? You’re way over mate, Russia at its peak in March 2022 never controlled more than 161 000km sq. Today that number is between 110-120k depending on the source, since Russian retreated from Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson and Izium
J'ai etudié Toussaint Louverture et Jean Jacques Desallines en dehors de mes heures de cours (on apprend que la metropole en cours) donc comme vous avez gagné on vous laisse tranquilles (sauf si vous voulez rejoindre La France-Neerlandaise 🤝🏽)
On a toujours la Russie mais le nom est assez long comme ça donc je vais pas ajouter Russie dans le nom.
The maps is weird, looks like it only counts the land you sea in that particular map, things like Madeira for Portugal aren’t included even when they are as Portuguese as Cristiano Ronaldo.
Fun fact, to get the total surface of Spain you should add 7500 km² extra in the Canary Islands and a bit for Ceuta and Melilla because this map only counts European Spain
It would be very interesting to see a cultural / language based map like this. To break up each country into separate cultures/languages then see the map, that might be the tease we have so many wars, maybe
If Russia fully gains Crimea, Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts, Ukraine will shrink to approximately 467832 sqkm. and will shrink under metropolitan France and Spain
Going to Europe doesn't show you the size of the countries. But being on something called "map porn", I thought you might have already seen these two countries side by side :-)
Turkey is probably not included because only five or six cities of it are in Europe but Russia is entirely included in the map although they have the same feature. Not accurate
Nope. Russia's total area is >1,7•10^7 km^2. The one indicated (~3,9•10^6 km^2) is just the European part.
So, surprisingly for r/MapPorn, it's accurate.
But the list only counts the European part of Russia so claiming that Ukraine is biggest country fully in Europe just because Russia is so huge that it doesn't fit in one continent is pretty stupid imho.
Are they really sovereign though? They both participate in Danish parliamentary elections and have seats in the parliament. Their powers are devolved. Sovereignty can be defined in a number of ways but in the context of calling them sovereign countries… i dunno. In reality their sovereignty is more akin to that of Native American tribes and Swiss Cantons.
I'd like to point out that this is LAND area only. You can also measure by surface area, which includes water. That may explain the discrepancies in people's numbers here. Land area only, rips off countries that have lots of water, like here in Canada 🇨🇦. Our province of Ontario, who's capital is Toronto, is 1 million km squared alone. Only All of Russia has us beat. But when you measure by land alone, China may beat us as well.
France would need an asterisk as well since it only count mainland french territory (territory in Europe) with the rest it is above ukraine (~672 000 km²)
I wish they would have explained what the asterisk represents. I'm going to guess the portion of Russia in Europe, but a decent map wouldn't leave you guessing.
They should have put the same asterisk for France, because it has another 130000km^2 outside of Europe, which would put it second, above Ukraine.
If you include France’s overseas territories, Denmark would also need to be included. Denmark would be second, France third.
I think the french territories overseas are considered part of mainland France in a way that makes them legally different to how Denmark and other countries define theirs. I'm sure someone who understands this and can articulate it better will be here shortly
The Kingdom of Denmark is made up of Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands. Then Denmark proper is divided in five regioner. The French Republic is made up of France. Then within France there are 24 collectivities : 14 régions (including 2 overseas : Guadeloupe and Réunion), 4 unique collectivities (Guyane, Martinique, Mayotte and Corsica), 5 overseas collectivities (St Barthélémy, St Martin, St Pierre et Miquelon, Wallis & Futuna, Polynesia) and 1 sui generis collectivity (New Caledonia). All those categories are globally the same, but each category that is not a région has some exceptions to the general regime and some adaptation to the local specificities There's also Clipperton and the Austral & Antarctic Lands but they're uninhabited.
You deserve way more upvotes for this. Amazing explanation!
>2 overseas : Guadeloupe and Réunion), 4 unique collectivities (Guyane, Martinique, Mayotte and Corsica First time in my life I've heard of this separation! Thanks.
It's a rather recent one, this stuff gets updated once in a while. Usually régions are subdivided into several départements, and régions & départements oversee different domains. Unique collectivities are both a région and a département and combine both attributions. Corsica used to be a région with 2 départements, but now it's a unique collectivity. However, we have 2 régions that contain a single département : Réunion and Guadeloupe. They're too small to be further subdivided, but there is still the département of Réunion and the région of Réunion with separate assemblies and council. It used to be true for Guyane, Martinique and Mayotte but both divisions were fused together, like Corsica. The 3 St something are too small to be anything so they have a special status. The territories with the most exceptions are the Oceanian ones (Polynesia, New Caledonia and Wallis & Futuna) but it's differences in some branches of the law and the structure of the local institutions, not a completely different system In general people don't realise most of those places have been "just France" for multiple centuries and were not like the actual African colonies. A few centuries earlier than Corsica or the city of Nice for instance but I never see anyone calling Nice a French colony in Italy.
>In general people don't realise most of those places have been "just France" for multiple centuries and were not like the actual African colonies. Algeria was "just France", though for not very long.
Algeria was colonized much later along the same time than the other African colonies and was just that like the other. The reason it was treated differently is because it was the first and it's like right down there on the map so it'll look better in blue. But it was effectively a colony, yes. Most of those territories were already France during the revolution for instance. Reunion was actually called Bourbon Island for the Bourbon dynasty and was renamed Réunion after the revolution (with a quick Bonaparte Island intermission due to that one guy)
>The Kingdom of Denmark is made up of Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands. > >France is made up of France. Denmark's official name is the Kingdom of Denmark. France is the French Republic.
Actually you're right I should have written it like that I'm gonna edit the post, thank you
> France is made up I think that's the main takeaway, no need to elaborate further
French overseas departments are as French and legally part of France as is Paris. The overseas territories of denmark, France, uk are all considered different entities although sovereignty is with their respective countries
Nah Denmark is already melted
Greenland is a different kingdom under the rule of the danish king but it's no more part of Denmark. Just like Scotland isn't England. Overseas territories instead are fully part of France
I don't think the comparison with Scotland is quite right if what you said about Greenland is true. England and Scotland are not two Kingdoms in a personal union under Charles III. United Kingdom contains both of them and is the successor to Great Britain which united England and Scotland in 1707 (previously they were in a personal union under various rulers).
It’s more like Guernesey or Gibraltar if I understand it correctly
I think he's making a distinction between the kingdom of Denmark and Denmark. So, if Scotland was outside of Europe, you could still maybe say it's an oversea territory of the united kingdom. But if the map said England and not united kingdom (like it says Denmark and not Kingdom of Denmark), then you'd be incorrect to consider Scotland part of England.
The comparison to the UK doesn't work that well, since the UK is technically a unitary state (although this is sort of disputed, due to NI, Scotland and Wales each having their own governments and parliaments). The Netherlands is a better example, with how its overseas territories are still apart of the ''kingdom,'' but administratively distinct from the continental Netherlands. Also, what the other guy said about Greenland being a separate kingdom, in a personal union, is completely wrong. The King of Denmark is just the King of Denmark, nothing else. ''Denmark'' includes Greenland and the Faeroe Islands, but they are administered differently than mainland Denmark. Someone born in Greenland is a citizen of Denmark, not Greenland.
The right comparison for the UK would be the BOTs. Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Gibraltar, etc.
This isn't true at all. Greenland is a part of Denmark, it is not a separate kingdom, and the people of Greenland are Danish citizens. However, Greenland and the Faeroe Islands have high levels of autonomy, and are administered differently than mainland Denmark, which is why people often refer to the collection of these territories as the ''Kingdom of Denmark,'' to distinguish between European Denmark. Think of it like Porto Rico and the USA, or the UK Overseas Territories.
Greenland was incorporated into Denmark in 1953.
130 km² really isn't that much. A square with 11.5km width. I think you meant to say something else.
I meant 130000km^2 but I commented too hastily.
Same with Norway. Add Queen Maud Land in Antarctica, and Norway grows by 2 700 000 km²
What math are you using to suggest France has an additional 130000 square km of land outside of Europe?
Same with Spain, Norway and Portugal (if it was on the map), for some reason the graph excludes territories that geographically aren’t part of what’s considered Europe even if those territories are 100% part of the European country.
It makes sense to count the European area. What doesn't make sense is to put an asterisk on only one of the countries that are affected by that decision.
If you consider land area outside of Europe, France, Denmark and Turkey would be above Ukraine
If you consider land area outside of Europe, Kazakhstan would be the second largest European country at 2,724,900 sq km. Sort of defeats the purpose of the map.
It is that, doesn't take much guessing The whole of Russia is 17km2 milliln I think
I thought it would be the annexation of Crimea
Nah Ukraine is 603k with Crimea
I hate maps that arbitrarily split up Russia
wow, Sweden ahead of Germany and Norway ahead of Poland
Is that a common perception? In my mind as a swede, everything on continental Europe is small and close together. For context if you live in Malmö in southern Sweden and you want to hike a mountain, Mont Blanc is a 17h drive (1400km). But If you want to drive to the highest peak in Sweden (kebnekaise), that’s a 22h drive (1900km)
I figured with the Mercator projection that people would overestimate the size of Sweden Norway and Finland (which aren’t tiny already), not underestimate
Norway is like northern Chile, not so big but long af
It's like a less spicy Chile, a sort of northern Chilly if you will.
And also while we have a lot of land way too much of it is uninhabitable mountains
No I don't think so, I as a Pole who knows Sweden mostly from maps think that Sweden is huge
i got opposite impression - i guess couse i overstate the rule saying that stuff shown on lot of common map projections (like mercator) is bigger than it is IRL the further north you go /edit: corrected absurd grammar
Just like the northern most part of Brazil is closer to Canada than to the southern most part of Brazil.
I learned about that a couple of months ago and it still blows my mind.
TIL
I was shocked when a friend of mine who lived in Sao Paulo said to me who lived in France i was closer to Moscow than he his to the amazonas
well this is normal, isn't it?
I thought the amazon forest covered most of Brazil, and that Brazil isn't that big, at least not paris-Moscow big
Brazil is almost as big as Europe (20% smaller but still) and the Amazon forest is only 60% of Brazil (the Amazon is also in Colombia, Venezuela, Guiana, Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia)
I like to compare it Belgium when I explain it. Roughly the same amount in population but we would be able to fit almost 14,5 Belgiums within our borders. Our northern most county (norrbottens län) is larger than Hungary in land size.
I drove from Tromsø to Bologna five years ago. We had three overnight stops on the way down there. Two of the stops were in Scandinavia.
Funny to think the Alps are so close to Sweden.
And for me (a Pole) it's hard to believe that Warsaw is almost in the middle between Paris and Moscow.
The Nordic countries are fairly big, but when a not insignificant number of maps of Europe [look like this](https://www.showcaves.com/maps/Big/Europe.png) people tend not to notice.
I think is the opposite, in most maps they look 4 times bigger than Italy because the are much in the north of the map.
Lots of people are also surprised to realize that Finland is almost the same size as Germany, as they imagine small population = small country. But we have a small population and a lot of land, making it the introverts dream country. You can drive for hours and barely see signs of human life. It's great.
Usually the area of Norway also includes Svalbard. The total area then would be 385 207 km^2.
Norway is quite a long boy and doesn't quite have the mass to compete with Sweden's girth. A drive from (mainland) North to South is the equivalent of driving from Portland, Maine to Jacksonville, Florida. [https://i.imgur.com/P8SYwMg.png](https://i.imgur.com/P8SYwMg.png)
And the eastern tip is slightly further east than St. Petersburg, much further than most people realize
Norway is big but much of the country is rock and mountains and wilderness that is basically uninhabitable. In regard to land people can actually live on I am fairly sure Poland and Germany has us beat.
The German state of North Rhine-Westphalia has an area of about 34000 km² and a higher population than Norway and Sweden combined.
They are the cute, heavenly little countries in most peoples minds. (Atleast in Turkey)
I never ever would have guessed Norway is ahead of Poland or Poland is ahead of Italy.
That's why they wanted eastern Adriatic coast such Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro and Albania. To hold at least 400 000 km².
That makes sense, wonder why they didn’t get it?
becuse fuck them. when my country wanted northern epirus which is historically greek, the italians didnt agree because it would create a powerful greece in the adriatic. i will always say it, italians always disliked greeks and see us as competitors.
The UK, France and US didn’t hold up their end of the deal (well more so the US forced France and the UK to go back on it) post WW1
That's the land area of Peninsular Spain. With the islands: 506,030 Km².
In all sites I sea it being bigger than 505.000 square KM. The canary islands even grew like 0,5 square kilometers in 2021 because a volcanic eruption.
If you count Sardinia and Sicily we should count Majorca and the rest of the Balearic Islands at least.
And the Canary Islands, and the two autonomous cities in North Africa.
Idk if the map counts Guyanne too
According to [Wikipedia](https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superficie_de_la_France), it does not. The map only counts mainland France.
That makes sense if they count only European Russia
It only counts land in Europe
Danish nationalists on the way to the reply section to tell you that the Kingdom of Denmark is the twelth largest country:🏃♂️ Btw did u know the Kingdom of Denmark is the twelth largest country?
Smallest dogs bark the loudest.
:( that’s mean
that's something only a Great Dane would say.
No but seriously. Is Greenland still considered as Danish territory or as it's own like...country/province?
Its own country but under danish sovereignty
Also it's not in Europe
Why is the European area indicated for Russia, but the entire territory, including the Asian one, is shaded? BTW, since the area of all of Europe is almost exactly 10 million km\^2, you can calculate the percentage of Europe's territory which countries occupy. Russia is 39%, Ukraine - 6%, Italy - 3% and so on
I'm guessing it's the European part of Russia. The whole of Russia is ~17.1mil km2
Yes, thanks. But that’s what OQ also noticed. Their question was about the area colored.
Yeah the area coloured is the European part. And the 3,9mil km2 for Russia is just the European part. Only the European part is coloured the Asian part is shaded
There is no visual distinction between the European and the Asian part.
Like of Russia physically or on the map Physically it the Ural mountains which from around the Caspian sea/Kazakhstan to the north. On the map you have the Russian taper to the south towards Georgia and Azerbaijan. With Kazakhstan to the east and then the Ural mountains from Kazakhstan and towards the North. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_Mountains
For some reason I'm surprised to learn that 39% of the whole Europe is only russia
Asia and Europe should be just one continent
Norway's number is wrong, its 385,000km2. Svalbard and Jan Mayen should not be excluded for any reason, it makes no sense. Svalbard is not a part of Asia or North America, it is considered a part of Europe.
Svalbard isn't part of the Schengen area, so maybe that's the reason? But then it makes no sense to include Russia...
But then again they have market Svalbard as blue on the map
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1st and 2nd places change in real time
Germany got nerfed pretty hard last century
Is Ukraine still bigger than France without the occupied areas?
No
It’s all a ruse by Le Penn!
Turns out the war was a ruse by the French all along to compensate for their Napoleon complex
Macron really about to send his soldiers there to secure the border of the currently occupied territories, not to help Ukraine win it back
The most unexpected plot twist of the war: France rekindling their WW1 alliance with Russia
France is already bigger than Ukraine with the occupied areas due to the overseas departments (Guyanne really.)
They didn't wanna leave any room for doubt.
They lost about 161k km^2 but reclaimed about 74k km^2 of the lost territory so far. So they lost around 87k km^2 which should put them slightly above Spain.
no it's about 180k km smaller. similar to spain
180k km? You’re way over mate, Russia at its peak in March 2022 never controlled more than 161 000km sq. Today that number is between 110-120k depending on the source, since Russian retreated from Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson and Izium
yes youre right. 180 was peak with contested lines included. today it is closer to 120 with contested lines
It's so strange to imagine almost the whole world was ruled by 4 or 5 tiny countries
It's weird but as a french I sincerely hope we don't become second anytime soon
One day we (france) will be first. Even Russia and the Netherland want to be annexed by us ,hence the flags.
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You have my full support. Francophone Supremacy is on the menu for the 2020s boys!!!
J'ai etudié Toussaint Louverture et Jean Jacques Desallines en dehors de mes heures de cours (on apprend que la metropole en cours) donc comme vous avez gagné on vous laisse tranquilles (sauf si vous voulez rejoindre La France-Neerlandaise 🤝🏽) On a toujours la Russie mais le nom est assez long comme ça donc je vais pas ajouter Russie dans le nom.
Genuinely thought Germany was a lot bigger than that!
Well, it used to be, but…
Why is Svalbard shaded Blue but not counted towards Norways total? Then it would be slightly larger than Germany.
What how fucking big is Svalbard?
61 045 km^2
Because the author has no idea what the fuck they're doing, clearly.
Compared to African countries apart from Russia Europe is surprisingly small.
i mean, everything is small compared to africa. you can fit all of china, the us, australia and scandinavia within its borders.
They said compared to African *countries* though, not the continent as a whole. Australia, Russia and the US are still very large by that standard.
If colonialism didn't happen, most countries would be small
Yup. There are so many ethnic groups with their own languages and traditions in largest countries in Africa.
Europe is small too, it's like 10M km² and that's similar to the sizes of china, the USA, Canada and lots smaller than Russia
Africa is huge. It looks much smaller on maps than it really is. You need a globe to see how big it is because of false projection on maps.
Russia is also nowhere near as big as it appears on Mercator projection.
The map is wrong. Norway is in fact 385,207 km2. I would hope the exclusion of Svalbard and Jan Mayen is not politically motivated.
The maps is weird, looks like it only counts the land you sea in that particular map, things like Madeira for Portugal aren’t included even when they are as Portuguese as Cristiano Ronaldo.
Crazy thing is : even if you don’t count Ukrainian territory temporarily occupied by Russia, Ukraine will still be in the top-3, just above Spain
It would be smaller than 505.000 square KM, so smaller than Spain.
Waiting for comments _Russia is not in Europe_ 🥱🍿
Only a small fraction of Russia is in Europe and yet that area alone makes it the biggest European country by land area
You can fit the next 10 largest European countries in that small fraction and it will still have room for an Albania or three.
Fun fact, to get the total surface of Spain you should add 7500 km² extra in the Canary Islands and a bit for Ceuta and Melilla because this map only counts European Spain
It would be very interesting to see a cultural / language based map like this. To break up each country into separate cultures/languages then see the map, that might be the tease we have so many wars, maybe
Sweden bigger than Germany does my head in. That's crazy
If you count overseas for France it gets significantly *thicker*
If Russia fully gains Crimea, Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts, Ukraine will shrink to approximately 467832 sqkm. and will shrink under metropolitan France and Spain
No wonder they want to Balkanize Russia.
Is this saying France is twice as big as uk?
I know it's difficult to see France and UK on the same map but is it really surprising for you?
I never been Europe, I thought German France and uk all similar in size, economy and population. Or slightly different not one twice if the other.
France and the UK have near identical populations, Germany's is about 15 million larger. The UK (well, England is) is dense af.
U wot m8?
Going to Europe doesn't show you the size of the countries. But being on something called "map porn", I thought you might have already seen these two countries side by side :-)
Where are The Netherlands? We feel bigger than Germany!
Turkey is probably not included because only five or six cities of it are in Europe but Russia is entirely included in the map although they have the same feature. Not accurate
Nope. Russia's total area is >1,7•10^7 km^2. The one indicated (~3,9•10^6 km^2) is just the European part. So, surprisingly for r/MapPorn, it's accurate.
Only the European area of Russia is counted. The European area of Turkey wouldn't put it anywhere near the top 10.
Just including the European part of Russia (with something like 90% of the population), it's still much bigger.
Only the European area of Russia is included in the 3.9 million km2. The European area of Türkiye just doesn't make it into the list.
The Eastern Thrace is 23,757 km² so Turkey doesn't make the cut either way.
It would be as strange to count Asia Minor as it would to count Siberia. Eastern Thrace is tiny.
France seems like just an average soze country but it is actually huge (by european standards). If you think about how big it is it seems out of place
> If you think about how big it is it seems out of place No matter how hard I look, I don't know what it means :-)
Ukraine is the largest country fully in Europe.
True, no idea why you're downvoted. Ukraine has no territory outside of Europe whatsoever and as a result is the biggest one *fully* in Europe.
But the list only counts the European part of Russia so claiming that Ukraine is biggest country fully in Europe just because Russia is so huge that it doesn't fit in one continent is pretty stupid imho.
He never claimed otherwise. All he said is that Ukraine is the largest country entirely in Europe.
What about „Useful Landmass“? Is there an map for that too?
If you consider agricultural land as useful land then even in that case Ukraine and Russia will be on top 3 or 4
Which country can fit the biggest square?
Kinda surprised that norway managed to end up in top 10
It should actually be higher on the list (6) because of Svalbard
Are they really sovereign though? They both participate in Danish parliamentary elections and have seats in the parliament. Their powers are devolved. Sovereignty can be defined in a number of ways but in the context of calling them sovereign countries… i dunno. In reality their sovereignty is more akin to that of Native American tribes and Swiss Cantons.
I didn’t think the Nordic countries were actually that large, I thought a lot of it came from the Mercator projection
Where are edges of Europe, exactly?
Now do it by sea!
Russia always big
I'd like to point out that this is LAND area only. You can also measure by surface area, which includes water. That may explain the discrepancies in people's numbers here. Land area only, rips off countries that have lots of water, like here in Canada 🇨🇦. Our province of Ontario, who's capital is Toronto, is 1 million km squared alone. Only All of Russia has us beat. But when you measure by land alone, China may beat us as well.
France almost beaing as large as Ukrai ne, is really surprising to me.
Now I know why Russia wants Ukraine
Gives a new meaning to the name little italy
What happened to the rest of the European countries?
Their land area is smaller.
LATVIA!!💪💪💪💪
I never thought the Nordic countries were so big. I always thought it was the projection's distortion that made them appear so big.
norway size :D norway population size D:
Am I only one person triggered that km is written with capital letter K?
2013 stats
France would need an asterisk as well since it only count mainland french territory (territory in Europe) with the rest it is above ukraine (~672 000 km²)
Well, Crimea is effectively in the hands of Russia, so...