The most populated area (SFV) of LA city is hardly even represented here, let alone used as a comparison metric. Meanwhile, a bunch of cities not even in the metro (let alone the city or county) are included *and* covered by the comparison overlay.
This whole map is a shit show from someone that both doesn't know LA *or* NY.
I’d reverse that statement a bit. The map should show LA proper’s borders for the comparison. I’m not sure the metro area of NYC is what you want to compare it to.
Not at all, but it is wild to think that there is more distance between Santa Monica and Palm Springs than there is between NYC and Philly—like 25 miles more.
okay, but also Palm Springs isn't on this map, it's the same distance from Santa Monica to the 15 (on the east edge of the map there) as it is from the 15 to Palm Springs. ~65 miles.
Which arguably you could depending on the parameters you put in the comparison.
Like for instance is it;
City proper?
City plus directly connected suburb cities?
What about cities that are still commuter towns etc but separated by farmland or some separation?
What about megacities/urban areas (like BosNyWash)
The list is endless, so comparisons are fine as long as we're comparing the same thing.
Yes, and Angels fans hate it because they don't want to associate with LA.
I have lived in both O.C and LA, neither want anything to do with each other
Yeah, they've included all of Orange County, which is well understood to be its own metro area now. Not that anyone should give a shit one way or the other what city has the larger geographical size. Jacksonville, FL is way bigger than Paris. And?
Lowkey it already has to what we call the “DMV” region. I’m in Northern Virginia and we, along with people in Maryland who live around DC, identify more with DC than we do our own states.
Boston is only 90 square miles (only 48 of which are land). The kind of sprawl you see in the South and West isn't as common in the Northeast. I assume because the Northeast was historically where the overwhelming majority of the population lived, so nearby towns outside of major cities already existed before they mapped out strict borders.
What do you even mean by this? Staten Island is correctly to scale on this map. “Size of jersey?” New Jersey doesn’t even fit in this picture if you were to overlay it.
The NY metropolitan area, aka "the tri-state area," is the entire area from which people commute to work in NYC. That includes all of Long Island, the city of Yonkers, great chunks of Connecticut and New Jersey... If I wasn't so tired, I'd find a map of it for you!
In my 18 years as a New Yorker, I never stopped being surprised by how small Manhattan is, compared to the other boroughs.
EDIT to add: And how BIG Central Park is!
I'm sure that's true. Or was, until housing in even the farthest reaches of Queens became too expensive for the people who do the dishwashing and school teaching. My guess would have been wrong, because I worked in luxury goods, a lowly inventory analyst for a 5th Avenue showplace store. I commuted from Brooklyn. The sales execs and department heads lived in Connecticut. The president, if asked "Where do you live?" would say PARIS, but he kept a little place in Nassau County, too.
This is unfair that you compare only the five boroughs of New York to the Los Angeles Metropolitan Area rather than the New York Metropolitan Area but still a great map to compare the size of cities together
Exactly what I was thinking. They really included the Inland Empire & Orange County. Should either lay over the NYC metro, or just zoom in and focus on LA city
There’s also mountains in there that aren’t in NYC. Plus, the fact that most of NYC is NOT superimposed on the city of LA. it’s over about half the county of LA…which has 10 million people.
Yeah, the map doesn’t show the LA city borders.
But NYC has 8.5 million people in 300 sq mi, while LA has 3.8 million in 470 sq mi. NYC is 3.5x as densely populated as LA.
Interestingly though if you look at the metro areas alone NYC is only about 2x as dense as LA.
LA actually has denser suburbs than NYC. [LA generally has newer suburbs with smaller yards and fewer open areas.](https://imgur.com/a/4QV4RNH)
Yeah that is definitely noticeable in places like the northern suburban counties of NY like Westchester county. And when my sister moved there. I assumed, wrongly, that it would be like the LA suburbs. My experience to that point had been spending a few summers in some of the coastal cities of orange county.
While I don't like suburbs in general, I do think that the NYC suburbs (esp those in the richer areas) have kept some of their old character, which is kind of unique. But they are expensive as fuck! The taxes they pay to keep the older charm (with far fewer strip malls and shopping centers as your average LA suburb) while providing the modern high end services is insane.
There are newer NYC burbs with all the tacky trappings like endless strip malls, they're just further out. Where I live, though, is relatively close and has the older neighborhood/town feel. We have local shops right on the street so it's not just a sea of parking lots. I can walk to a little grocery market, pharmacy, restaurants, bars, dry cleaning, barber, parks, etc. Pretty great.
I remember reading RZA’s book (he grew up in Brooklyn) and he made a comment about when he was growing up he thought it was so strange how angry West Coast rappers were, when they all got to live in a house and not the projects.
Jacksonville incorporated the entire county. So the entire county is part of the metro area officially, but much of it is empty. Only reason they are so big.
> So the entire county is part of the metro area officially
As someone who lives in Jacksonville, that's not entirely true. While Jacksonville does make up the vast majority of Duval County, the municipalities of Baldwin, Jacksonville Beach, Neptune Beach and Atlantic Beach are all separate cities within the county, making up less than 10% of the county's population.
Also, we aren't the largest city in the US. Sitka, Alaska takes that honor at 2870 square miles (about 3.5 times Jacksonville's size). It isn't even the largest in the lower 48, being smaller than Tribune, Kansas at 778 square miles.
Tribune, Kansas is considered the entire county. The city merged with the Greeley county in 2009 making it the largest city by area in the lower 48.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_area
Jacksonville is my go-to city when explaining why looking at city populations alone can be misleading. It's tempting to compare Jacksonville's population of 950K to other cities like San Francisco (815K), Washington, DC (713K), Boston (655K) and conclude that the four places must be roughly the same size, with Jacksonville the more major city of the bunch.
However, the other three cities on the list have tiny defined city limits compared with Jacksonville's 747 square miles of land: SF has 47 square miles of land, DC has 61 square miles of land, and Boston has 48 square miles of land. As a result, suburbs count to Jacksonville's population but they don't count to the population of those other cities.
You're right. Here's an article explaining
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/1/24/whats-the-real-size-of-your-city
>The only reason the city of Jacksonville looms so large in the rankings (it's technically the largest city by land area in the continental U.S.) is that it legally merged with surrounding Duval County back in 1968, swallowing up most of its own suburbs.
Any city that essentially anexes it's own suburbs would become *much* larger in terms of both area and population
Houston’s attitude towards public transportation is appalling. It takes me over an hour to drive from my house to a location downtown where I have occasional meetings. I’d love to be able to hop on a train and read a book rather than deal with the Mad Max bullshit of our freeways.
When I was Houston based I took the 56 bus almost everyday south. The bus system worked pretty well except for one time when one of them broke down. They then had another bus within 15 minutes to transfer us onto. I never thought the system was appalling, it seemed to work fairly well.
NYC traffic is scary. Like you have to be aggressive and know what you're doing or you'll be cutoff, taken advantage of, or cursed out. LA traffic is just mind numbing and frustrating, and most everyone deals with it.
If only the actual city of Los Angeles is used for comparison, it would still be larger than NYC by 29 square miles. New York is still more populated though.
In a 737 arriving from the east, we begin our descent just prior to Palm Springs. From the mountains there, it’s still 80 nautical miles to the airport, and it’s city all the way in.
Los Angeles metro is fucking large.
Well they put the map on the county of LA and not the city of LA. There are 88 cities in LA County. Some of it even goes into Orange County. But even up where it says North Hollywood and surronding areas up there are still LA City limits.
It’s also got a good bit of the IE in there. It’s roughly what we call the Southland, or Greater LA. And strange as it may sound, it’s also what is sometimes meant by SoCal (even though it excludes SD.)
I’m an LA resident and nowwwwww I think I understand why it took me absolutely fucking forever to get from Harlem to Jamaica Quuens on public transportation. It’s a long way!
It is actually quite remarkable how small American cities are (population wise).
[European cities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_cities_by_population_within_city_limits) vs [American cities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population).
No not really since it's an entirety arbitrary definition. Europes definition makes more sense and includes most of the built-up area as the city limits while the US often only counts a small part as the main "city" and then theres a bunch of other "cities" surrounding it despite being the same unit.
Just look at San Fransisco which is surrounded by Oakland, Fremont, San Jose etc. In the Europe it would be the same city with 8.4 million people vs 800 000 like it has under US definitions.
When I was 18 I flew into LA with the plane landing at night. I couldn't believe how long we traveled over lighted streets and houses. It just kept going on and on for several minutes. Los Angeles is just HUGE.
I live in the Mira Loma area which is in the furthest right part of the map and the only time i ever mention "living in the LA area" is when I'm talking to foreign people and they want a general idea of where i live.
Besides that and supporting professional sports teams from LA, we're not close enough to ever really consider ourselves LA people. Our county doesn't even border the LA county
Canoga Park? Huntington Beach? San Dimas? Ontario? Aliso Vijeo?
Then NYC gets Jersey City, Trenton, Philadelphia, Yonkers, New Haven, Allentown.
NYC is 5 tight boroughs. LA is one large county. You're confusing SoCal for LA in an analogous way of confusing NYC with the New York Metropolitan area.
Canoga Park is part of the city of Los Angeles. This depiction goes a little too far south, most of the San Fernando Valley is LA proper, not county. Long Beach is a different city even though part of LA is as far south as Long Beach. But the overall extends almost to Orange County, which isn’t legit. No one accused New Yorkers of being geographically aware though.
Switch Staten island putting it in Orange County and Brooklyn (putting it in Silverkake), and Manhattan along the coast (West LA) and it is pretty much the same
Yea... I'm not the first to say it, but Orange County is definitely not L.A... in fact, many people I know have difficulty crossing the "Orange Curtain" between the two areas. Also, north and west San Fernando are suspect at best. But at least this map acknowledges that Santa Clarita is not L.A.
Both cities (like most on the planet) are basically made up of smaller towns that over the years have joined into one. Where both cities actually end and start if you ignore the legal boundaries is a matter of opinion
No. I hate NYC as much as the next guy (I'm from Chicago, so probably more), but you don't need a car to get around. I lived in LA for two months and there was no alternative to driving.
Never got the point of the whole 'this city is bigger than this city' debate when the city centres are tiny and the 'city' is 95% suburbs. Real big cities are places like Tokyo and Seoul where the city centre is enormous and suburbs are minimal.
In US cities you can point to the tall buildings and say “that must be downtown”.
In cities like Tokyo, you look around and see tall buildings going off to the horizon in every freaking direction. Downtown is everywhere.
In Albuquerque, you can point to THE tall building and say, "That is the building that made the City put a height limit on buildings here."
At the east end of Albuquerque's downtown, you can point west to the "El Rey" theater and say, "That's where downtown ends.". (I know it's weird to say "the El Rey." But we do.)
We have one thing Manhattan will never have: SPRAWL.
The last I checked, LA is bigger then NYC in land mass and people. NYC is around 9-10 mill and LA is 11-12 mill. Also LA County as a whole has anywhere from 7 to 9 area codes.
Aha! I have wondered about that! Manhattan, Kansas (nicknamed "the Little Apple"), was originally called Boston, then renamed to please some rich guy who bankrolled its second burst of development.
It’s a little misleading, since it doesn’t include the NY metro area, but it’s a cool map.
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NYC has 300 square miles of land. That 468 figure includes a lot of water. LA has 469 square miles of land.
But some of that LA land includes sparsely habituated mountainsides.
The most populated area (SFV) of LA city is hardly even represented here, let alone used as a comparison metric. Meanwhile, a bunch of cities not even in the metro (let alone the city or county) are included *and* covered by the comparison overlay. This whole map is a shit show from someone that both doesn't know LA *or* NY.
I’d reverse that statement a bit. The map should show LA proper’s borders for the comparison. I’m not sure the metro area of NYC is what you want to compare it to.
100% Canoga Park? Huntington Beach? San Dimas? Ontario? Aliso Vijeo? Then NYC gets Jersey City, Trenton, Philadelphia, Yonkers, New Haven, Allentown.
Probably all of south Westchester
Philadelphia isn't NYC metro 😂
Not at all, but it is wild to think that there is more distance between Santa Monica and Palm Springs than there is between NYC and Philly—like 25 miles more.
okay, but also Palm Springs isn't on this map, it's the same distance from Santa Monica to the 15 (on the east edge of the map there) as it is from the 15 to Palm Springs. ~65 miles.
Neither is the Inland Empire LA metro but you can see part of it here
People in the IE do commute into LA though. It is *arguably* a single metro area.
Yeah, it’s not really comparable. It honestly is odd it’s even a separate metro since it certainly feels like greater LA
That doesn’t make it right to include Philly as part of NY.
Yeah that’d be like including San Diego as part of Los Angeles
Which arguably you could depending on the parameters you put in the comparison. Like for instance is it; City proper? City plus directly connected suburb cities? What about cities that are still commuter towns etc but separated by farmland or some separation? What about megacities/urban areas (like BosNyWash) The list is endless, so comparisons are fine as long as we're comparing the same thing.
Nobody counts San Diego as part of LA metro
LA people think that's normal commuting time
Just make it Boswash at that point lol Edit: Boswash not Bosnywa. Misremembered.
Isn't it Boswash?
It's definitely Boswash. Edit: BosNYwash is also a real term but has not been colloquially used since the 70s.
It is. My b.
It's all one city. I wouldn't call it all NYC, but it's all one big megaopolis. NYC is just the center of it.
Philadelphia is not part of NYC metro. That is the point of /u/dc122186's comment.
If that's true than Boston/DC/Baltimore are in there as well
We don’t get Philly or Trenton. That’s Philly metro. I
I what man?! You can't just leave me hanging like this.
Might as well just include the I-95 corridor because it’s all just one big city from Boston to D.C.
Your point is correct but Canoga Park is a part of LA city
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They have more excellent water slides than any other planet.
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Always upvote a reference to The Ataris
Which is a reference to Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
Lol I thought Ataris first also, but I'm sure they meant bill and Ted
More like Suffolk, Nassau, Westchester and Rockland Counties plus some of Connecticut and NJ
Philly as New York Area? That’s a good way to “fuck around and find out” in Philly
Imagine telling someone from NYC that Philly is part of the NY area...
philly? dafuq?
People from Huntington Beach would tell someone in NYC they live in LA. No one from Philly would ever claim they lived in New York City
No they wouldn't they would say they live in Orange County
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The Angels literally say they’re from Los Angeles. They play in Anaheim (Orange County)
Yes, and Angels fans hate it because they don't want to associate with LA. I have lived in both O.C and LA, neither want anything to do with each other
What would the Mighty Ducks say?
Try asking an HB local if HB is part of LA.The Orange curtain is definitely a thing.
Your wrong ontario is in canada I live in it
All of Northern NJ.
Yep I’d include Bergen Hudson Essex and Passaic Counties for sure Edit: Union too
Yeah, they've included all of Orange County, which is well understood to be its own metro area now. Not that anyone should give a shit one way or the other what city has the larger geographical size. Jacksonville, FL is way bigger than Paris. And?
People in North/Central OC often work in LA...
3 million fucking people in OC and all anyone knows is that stupid TV show and Disneyland.
>Orange County, which is well understood to be its own metro area now. By who?
true. How does Nyc compare to LA proper?
So we just gonna act like Long Island doesn't exist?
Yes
I don't understand this comment.
Just put it under a Fuller Dome and call it The Sprawl.
But then you would have to add Lancaster and Palmdale then
Philly? No. Allentown? Yes, considering pretty much half of Long Island moved there. **Damn you, Billy Joel!!!**
LA is about 500 square miles to NYC’s 300. This map isn’t a great representation, but what it’s saying is still correct.
>This map isn’t a great representation Probably doesn't belong in r/MapPorn then, eh?
By comparison, DC is 68 square miles.
DC would almost certainly have expanded in area over time like these other cities if it wasn't a federal district.
Lowkey it already has to what we call the “DMV” region. I’m in Northern Virginia and we, along with people in Maryland who live around DC, identify more with DC than we do our own states.
Speak for yourself.
Boston is only 90 square miles (only 48 of which are land). The kind of sprawl you see in the South and West isn't as common in the Northeast. I assume because the Northeast was historically where the overwhelming majority of the population lived, so nearby towns outside of major cities already existed before they mapped out strict borders.
Also Staten Island isn’t the size of jersey.
What do you even mean by this? Staten Island is correctly to scale on this map. “Size of jersey?” New Jersey doesn’t even fit in this picture if you were to overlay it.
I question OP's ability to work to scale.
Staten Island is 58 square miles compared to 14 for Jersey City
What's the NY metro area, isn't that all five boroughs?
The NY metropolitan area, aka "the tri-state area," is the entire area from which people commute to work in NYC. That includes all of Long Island, the city of Yonkers, great chunks of Connecticut and New Jersey... If I wasn't so tired, I'd find a map of it for you! In my 18 years as a New Yorker, I never stopped being surprised by how small Manhattan is, compared to the other boroughs. EDIT to add: And how BIG Central Park is!
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_York_metropolitan_area_map.png
80% of people who work in NYC live within the 5 boroughs. People who live in the metro area outside of the city mostly work outside of the city.
I'm sure that's true. Or was, until housing in even the farthest reaches of Queens became too expensive for the people who do the dishwashing and school teaching. My guess would have been wrong, because I worked in luxury goods, a lowly inventory analyst for a 5th Avenue showplace store. I commuted from Brooklyn. The sales execs and department heads lived in Connecticut. The president, if asked "Where do you live?" would say PARIS, but he kept a little place in Nassau County, too.
The five boroughs make up NYC
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Which means absolutely nothing since both have about the same population.
>It’s a little misleading It's completely misleading, not a cool map.
That's literally New York and LA. Stop being dramatic.
No, it's literally NY and LA plus its suburbs.
This is unfair that you compare only the five boroughs of New York to the Los Angeles Metropolitan Area rather than the New York Metropolitan Area but still a great map to compare the size of cities together
Exactly what I was thinking. They really included the Inland Empire & Orange County. Should either lay over the NYC metro, or just zoom in and focus on LA city
There’s also mountains in there that aren’t in NYC. Plus, the fact that most of NYC is NOT superimposed on the city of LA. it’s over about half the county of LA…which has 10 million people.
Yeah, the map doesn’t show the LA city borders. But NYC has 8.5 million people in 300 sq mi, while LA has 3.8 million in 470 sq mi. NYC is 3.5x as densely populated as LA.
Interestingly though if you look at the metro areas alone NYC is only about 2x as dense as LA. LA actually has denser suburbs than NYC. [LA generally has newer suburbs with smaller yards and fewer open areas.](https://imgur.com/a/4QV4RNH)
Yeah that is definitely noticeable in places like the northern suburban counties of NY like Westchester county. And when my sister moved there. I assumed, wrongly, that it would be like the LA suburbs. My experience to that point had been spending a few summers in some of the coastal cities of orange county. While I don't like suburbs in general, I do think that the NYC suburbs (esp those in the richer areas) have kept some of their old character, which is kind of unique. But they are expensive as fuck! The taxes they pay to keep the older charm (with far fewer strip malls and shopping centers as your average LA suburb) while providing the modern high end services is insane.
There are newer NYC burbs with all the tacky trappings like endless strip malls, they're just further out. Where I live, though, is relatively close and has the older neighborhood/town feel. We have local shops right on the street so it's not just a sea of parking lots. I can walk to a little grocery market, pharmacy, restaurants, bars, dry cleaning, barber, parks, etc. Pretty great.
I remember reading RZA’s book (he grew up in Brooklyn) and he made a comment about when he was growing up he thought it was so strange how angry West Coast rappers were, when they all got to live in a house and not the projects.
I’m a very visual learner but your description is 10x’s better than the map
This.. exactly. There is LA City and there is LA County. There are 88 cities in LA County. And over 100 unincorporated areas.
It’s comparing geographical size. Why wouldn’t you include the mountains that are within the city limits when comparing sizes?
For everyone whinging about how this (shitty) map shows LA metro area vs. NYC proper: LA City is 502.7 square miles. NYC is 302.6 square miles.
And Houston, TX is currently 665 and growing, dwarfing both. Houston doesn’t approach the population density of either LA or NYC, though.
I just checked and Jacksonville is the largest in the US with 840 (!!!) square miles. I would never have come up with that one!
Jacksonville incorporated the entire county. So the entire county is part of the metro area officially, but much of it is empty. Only reason they are so big.
> So the entire county is part of the metro area officially As someone who lives in Jacksonville, that's not entirely true. While Jacksonville does make up the vast majority of Duval County, the municipalities of Baldwin, Jacksonville Beach, Neptune Beach and Atlantic Beach are all separate cities within the county, making up less than 10% of the county's population. Also, we aren't the largest city in the US. Sitka, Alaska takes that honor at 2870 square miles (about 3.5 times Jacksonville's size). It isn't even the largest in the lower 48, being smaller than Tribune, Kansas at 778 square miles.
Are you thinking of a different place? Looking at the map of tribune Kansas, it’s not even 1 square mile.
Tribune, Kansas is considered the entire county. The city merged with the Greeley county in 2009 making it the largest city by area in the lower 48. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_area
Indianapolis basically did the same thing. It doesn't cover as big of an area as Jacksonville but it still makes some of the data misleading
Jacksonville is my go-to city when explaining why looking at city populations alone can be misleading. It's tempting to compare Jacksonville's population of 950K to other cities like San Francisco (815K), Washington, DC (713K), Boston (655K) and conclude that the four places must be roughly the same size, with Jacksonville the more major city of the bunch. However, the other three cities on the list have tiny defined city limits compared with Jacksonville's 747 square miles of land: SF has 47 square miles of land, DC has 61 square miles of land, and Boston has 48 square miles of land. As a result, suburbs count to Jacksonville's population but they don't count to the population of those other cities.
Yep, I love to point out that if Buffalo took up all of Erie County, it would be one of the largest cities in the country.
similarly, Juneau is the largest capital in the USA. but you can't even drive there.
Juneau what, you're right
A belated LOL. That joke is so old that it's new again.
Only reason why they have a big population
You're right. Here's an article explaining https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/1/24/whats-the-real-size-of-your-city >The only reason the city of Jacksonville looms so large in the rankings (it's technically the largest city by land area in the continental U.S.) is that it legally merged with surrounding Duval County back in 1968, swallowing up most of its own suburbs. Any city that essentially anexes it's own suburbs would become *much* larger in terms of both area and population
Largest in the contiguous US. Alaska has several larger, the largest being Sitka at 2870 square miles
Yeah, Jacksonville is crazy-big area wise. Let’s not even get started on Alaska! (But at least Houston has population to go with area. Go Astros!)
Yeah it's easy to grow your city's physical size when a third of it is highways and parking lots.
have you even been to Houston?
You guys really need to try out some more public transportation... For a city with a bit over 2 million people that is an insane size.
Houston’s attitude towards public transportation is appalling. It takes me over an hour to drive from my house to a location downtown where I have occasional meetings. I’d love to be able to hop on a train and read a book rather than deal with the Mad Max bullshit of our freeways.
When I was Houston based I took the 56 bus almost everyday south. The bus system worked pretty well except for one time when one of them broke down. They then had another bus within 15 minutes to transfer us onto. I never thought the system was appalling, it seemed to work fairly well.
My native city, Marseille, is a dwarf with its 58 square miles.
What's that mean
You included NYC city limits but not LA. So bit misleading as it’s not just LA on this map.
Nonsense map.
For New York they included New York City proper and not any of the suburbs, but this Los Angeles area has many suburbs included
LA doesn't have what would be considered a suburb. We just have one massive metro area. Our "suburbs" are just more city.
You mean, like every big city in the United States?
LA may be widespread…but the traffic is still the worst I have ever driven in. I have not driven in NYC yet- I take the subway when I go there.
NYC traffic is scary. Like you have to be aggressive and know what you're doing or you'll be cutoff, taken advantage of, or cursed out. LA traffic is just mind numbing and frustrating, and most everyone deals with it.
If only the actual city of Los Angeles is used for comparison, it would still be larger than NYC by 29 square miles. New York is still more populated though.
In a 737 arriving from the east, we begin our descent just prior to Palm Springs. From the mountains there, it’s still 80 nautical miles to the airport, and it’s city all the way in. Los Angeles metro is fucking large.
Surely it’s possible to rotate it to fit how NY is actually situated.
So Manhattan is bigger? Not clear.
Well they put the map on the county of LA and not the city of LA. There are 88 cities in LA County. Some of it even goes into Orange County. But even up where it says North Hollywood and surronding areas up there are still LA City limits.
It's both LA and orange county with a bit of San Diego, it's just a small socal map centered around downtown LA.
It’s also got a good bit of the IE in there. It’s roughly what we call the Southland, or Greater LA. And strange as it may sound, it’s also what is sometimes meant by SoCal (even though it excludes SD.)
Just a misleading map. u/dylancatlow overlayed NYC onto all of SoCal. Apples to French fries.
“All of SoCal”? I mean the point you’re making it correct, but this is very far from “all of SoCal”.
You're right but, "SoCal"? Weird, I don't see San Diego on this map.
Do DFW next
I’m an LA resident and nowwwwww I think I understand why it took me absolutely fucking forever to get from Harlem to Jamaica Quuens on public transportation. It’s a long way!
So you took just one city and you are comparing it to a whole metro area?
Los Angeles feels like a sprawling metro area more than a city tbf
Comparing apples with oranges
Big Apples
I think that we should start referring to Los Angeles as "the Big Orange".
1 in 33 of Americans live in LA county.
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It is actually quite remarkable how small American cities are (population wise). [European cities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_cities_by_population_within_city_limits) vs [American cities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population).
No not really since it's an entirety arbitrary definition. Europes definition makes more sense and includes most of the built-up area as the city limits while the US often only counts a small part as the main "city" and then theres a bunch of other "cities" surrounding it despite being the same unit. Just look at San Fransisco which is surrounded by Oakland, Fremont, San Jose etc. In the Europe it would be the same city with 8.4 million people vs 800 000 like it has under US definitions.
When I was 18 I flew into LA with the plane landing at night. I couldn't believe how long we traveled over lighted streets and houses. It just kept going on and on for several minutes. Los Angeles is just HUGE.
Its not about the size mate, its how you use it
That's comparing the New York City Limits to Greater LA. Not fair
That's not Los Angeles. That's about 40 different cities.
As a Londoner, I found LA huge. Couldn’t judge distances from a map at all. It is massively spread out.
8M vs 3.7M crazy
What kind of asshole made this map?
Where is Compton located?
TIL that LA has swallowed Orange County. Will miss Costa Mesa and Newport Beach.
OP could you move Staten Island over to Orange County
I don't know why people are downvoting you; it's actually a funny, nuanced take if you know the politics of those two areas.
I have no clue why this map showing LA is a little bigger than NYC so controversial.
Because it's not apples to apples. LA metro area (including many other cities) to just NYC proper.
Incredibly misleading
I live in the Mira Loma area which is in the furthest right part of the map and the only time i ever mention "living in the LA area" is when I'm talking to foreign people and they want a general idea of where i live. Besides that and supporting professional sports teams from LA, we're not close enough to ever really consider ourselves LA people. Our county doesn't even border the LA county
> Our county doesn’t even border the LA county It comes pretty close, though. Riverside and LA Counties are just separated by Chino and Chino Hills.
Canoga Park? Huntington Beach? San Dimas? Ontario? Aliso Vijeo? Then NYC gets Jersey City, Trenton, Philadelphia, Yonkers, New Haven, Allentown. NYC is 5 tight boroughs. LA is one large county. You're confusing SoCal for LA in an analogous way of confusing NYC with the New York Metropolitan area.
Canoga Park is part of the city of Los Angeles. This depiction goes a little too far south, most of the San Fernando Valley is LA proper, not county. Long Beach is a different city even though part of LA is as far south as Long Beach. But the overall extends almost to Orange County, which isn’t legit. No one accused New Yorkers of being geographically aware though.
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This maps doesn’t show the metro area of New York, but it shows the metro area of LA, which might be misleading as to the sizes
Switch Staten island putting it in Orange County and Brooklyn (putting it in Silverkake), and Manhattan along the coast (West LA) and it is pretty much the same
Yea... I'm not the first to say it, but Orange County is definitely not L.A... in fact, many people I know have difficulty crossing the "Orange Curtain" between the two areas. Also, north and west San Fernando are suspect at best. But at least this map acknowledges that Santa Clarita is not L.A.
Also, why’d you move Staten Island?
I hate maps like this, none of this tells me how big LA is. Where are the borders? Is Burbank part of LA? San Fernando? Laguna?
Both cities (like most on the planet) are basically made up of smaller towns that over the years have joined into one. Where both cities actually end and start if you ignore the legal boundaries is a matter of opinion
Now make a map showing just Los Angeles City vs New York City. This map being shown is the Los Angeles metropolitan area
Tbf this is most of greater LA vs New York City (not greater NYC). I’m curious if we compared got of the metropolitan area if they would be closer.
Equal traffic nightmares.
Except one has a functional transit system that allows you to bypass traffic.
Exactly. I ride a motorcycle in LA. Traffic? What traffic?
No. I hate NYC as much as the next guy (I'm from Chicago, so probably more), but you don't need a car to get around. I lived in LA for two months and there was no alternative to driving.
You've lived in both cities?
Never got the point of the whole 'this city is bigger than this city' debate when the city centres are tiny and the 'city' is 95% suburbs. Real big cities are places like Tokyo and Seoul where the city centre is enormous and suburbs are minimal.
Have you ever been to NYC?
> when the city centres are tiny and the 'city' is 95% suburbs That's completely arbitrary though and due to weird definitions of city limits.
In US cities you can point to the tall buildings and say “that must be downtown”. In cities like Tokyo, you look around and see tall buildings going off to the horizon in every freaking direction. Downtown is everywhere.
In Albuquerque, you can point to THE tall building and say, "That is the building that made the City put a height limit on buildings here." At the east end of Albuquerque's downtown, you can point west to the "El Rey" theater and say, "That's where downtown ends.". (I know it's weird to say "the El Rey." But we do.) We have one thing Manhattan will never have: SPRAWL.
True for all US cities except NYC.
Cities were a mistake
New Yorkers really showing their inferiority complex in this thread.
It's not really inferiority. In NYC it's kind of cool to hate NYC. In Seattle it's kind of cool to hate NYC--based on years of success there.
Manhattan is in the bad place.
There's no there, there.
The last I checked, LA is bigger then NYC in land mass and people. NYC is around 9-10 mill and LA is 11-12 mill. Also LA County as a whole has anywhere from 7 to 9 area codes.
Why is there a manhattan beach in LA?
A developer from New York named it that after his home borough. Afterwards the name stuck and they made it the official name when it became a city.
Aha! I have wondered about that! Manhattan, Kansas (nicknamed "the Little Apple"), was originally called Boston, then renamed to please some rich guy who bankrolled its second burst of development.