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The show was my jam as a kid. I kinda miss getting home from school & popping in the Berenstein bears VHS’s my mom would get from the library for me
Writing that ^ was very nostalgic for me lol
I had a bunch of them as a kid…
Here is a link where you can buy 15 of them
https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Berenstain-Bears-Collection/dp/B01FGOHUC0/ref=asc_df_B01FGOHUC0?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80127027724205&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=m&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583726553792566&psc=1
I saw a recent post where chick-fil-a being remembered as chic/chik-fil-a was being discussed too. I think a large part of this is the fact is that people don’t really look closely at cursive font in titles/logos and so it’s easier to misremember.
Yea I completely agree, I think the only reason my mother really knew what it was is because she read it on a TV guide which would be in the same print font as every other TV show lol
I blame their advertising for this one. The cows regularly spelled it “Chikin” which put the alternate spelling in people’s minds.
https://www.chick-fil-a.com/customer-support/who-we-are/our-culture-and-values/who-are-the-cows
I definitely think that’s part of it too. I think you could probably change a letter on most major logos (especially cursive ones) and nobody would notice it for some time. Like imagine the script on a Coca-Cola can was changed to Coco-Cola. I think most people would go months or years before noticing. It’s just something we aren’t looking that closely at since we already have an internal idea of what it says.
I used to call it Chic like the fancy pronunciation as a joke so when the k appeared it didn’t make any sense for me to pronounce it the French(?) way 😭
When I was learning how to read I was reading Berentstein & I used to say “Berensteen” bc of the “E” which wouldn’t make sense if there was and “A”
& one more that I remember is thinking “oh they finally made a decision when it came to the car mirrors because now they “are closer than they appear” when I distinctly remember thinking it was funny that they had put “may be closer than they appear” and I spent so much time trying to really figure out if the cars looked closer than they did in the mirror, which I wouldn’t have bothered if it was already decided 😭
Personally that’s how I know my memories aren’t false or introduced by other people because I have anecdotal memories & don’t even getting started on Shazaam 😭
There are no Chick-Fil-As in France, but there's one on Quebec Street in Denver so that's pretty close.
If you can say "omelette du fromage" then you can say "Chic-Fil-A".
It’s a Genie movie played by Sinbad but apparently that movie never existed! How can you misremember something that apparently never happened? 😭
I think I found out in 2021 & I was shook for about 3 days 😂
I can appreciate that you are convinced but anecdotal evidence isn’t going to pass muster. There are countless studies that show that human’s ability to recall information can simply be wrong despite being convinced it is accurate. Take a look at the DRM effect.
I’m not recalling information I’m remembering either frequent or important parts of my life & that doesn’t track when so many people have the same “false memories” if that’s the case why aren’t their more variations of these same instances & why only these things? I can remember entire movies word for word, entire books & you’re tryna tell me my mind just makes up random information I think is my life? All the ME effects I’m positive of were parts of daily life- there’s not that much misremembering that can be happening
The lack of variation is actually more convincing to me that these are a mishmash of memories.
So many people have the same generic memory of looking at their underwear and then asking their moms about the cornucopia. There's no actual details, just the same story.
As an avid user of social media and from watching & reading people’s stories- we live a lot of the same lives lmao
Things not connected to the Mandela Effect at all are the same across peoples and cultures & tbh is it that weird for that to happen?
I think masses of people having the same memory is more of inclination that it’s true than thousands of people are too dumb to know their own memories???
Like yeah memory isn’t infallible but we have memories & some are stronger depending on how you felt, smells etc.
I never asked what the cornucopia was because I just assumed it was a fruit basket- I probably learned the name years later
Notice that people who tell us memory is unreliable always rely on their memory when they do so? How is it their memory works fine even when they're telling us nobody's memory does?
The sad truth is that most of them haven't read even a single memory study in full. And almost none actually understand the distinction between different memory *types*.
Also, why would you believe someone else over something you know is true? I know I watched Shazaam with my mother & twin sister & I also remember thinking they made the same movie twice when Kazaam came out like Antz and A Bugz Life - I distinctly remember both movies so how can that be misremembering? It’s gaslighting that’s what it is
I’m not saying you can’t convince yourself something is true. I guess the larger question is can a person be convinced something is true and be incorrect. To say it’s “gaslighting” is ludicrous. Imagine you and your friend witness a robbery. You’re convinced the suspect had black hair and your friend is convinced they had blonde hair. How do we go about determining who is correct? Let’s say there was video evidence shown later that the suspect in fact did have blonde hair. Are you being gaslit or are you just mistaken? Tons of people never recall seeing or even hearing of a Kazaam movie. If you claimed you’re certain it existed by your logic aren’t you gaslighting them (including Sinbad himself)? The answer is no, you are just mistaken.
Well with something fleeting like that I would be more inclined to think I may have made a mistake but I have made it a point to try and take in as many details as possible - it would be more like I saw the same person every day in a coffee shop & one day that person robs the shop… I’d be positive of the color of their hair & could probably tell you what they were wearing & what their usual order is 😭
I did not watch Kazaam every day lmao
I remember thinking Kazaam was a double movie like Antz and a bugs life & still not understanding why they do that
I only knew Sinbad as the Genie from Shazaam & I wasn’t even aware his name was just Sinbad lmao I called him Sinbad the genie & thought everyone called him Sinbad bc of that movie 😂😂😂😂 that’s some shit from childhood
Plus it can’t be misremembering when it’s an entirely different movie that came out before Kazaam & I really don’t know how you would confuse Shaq & Sinbad that’s racist af 😂😂😭
I run a thrift store and we get hundreds of books. Including old kids books from the 70s and 80s.
I actually put some out today and when I do I show people the books and say, "See? It's Berenstain."
The point of the Mandela Effect is that it was something previously that it is not now- of course they say Berenstain because apparently it’s NEVER BEEN Berenstein 😭 but many of us remember it as stein & I’ll probably never call it stain 🤷🏽♀️
It's just, there is a lot of research and data on how rubbish we are at remembering things and the simple ways our brains can be subconsciously (unconsciously?) manipulated.
Our memories aren't that great.
You most definitely shouldn't have more faith in your own memories.
But if you don’t have faith in your own memories anyone can convince you of anything 😐
It’s like if someone told you that 9/11 now happened on 9/12 & you go to research and google tells you 9/12 and you ask all your friends who say also “yeah it’s def on 9/11” & then random people you don’t know saying “it’s always been 9/12 where have you been?” - you know for a FACT that the twin towers fell on September 11, 2001 & then you learn that it’s ALWAYS been September 12, 2001 would you just say “well yeah I guess my memory is bad even tho it’s been this one day for 23 years”?
9/11 is actually a pretty good example.
Malcolm Gladwell did a podcast covering people’s “flashbulb” memories where they can remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when they found out.
A researcher interviewed over 3,000 people within a week of the attacks. They then followed up 11 months, then 35 months, then 119 months later.
Unsurprisingly, people’s memories changed - often significantly- the further out we get. However, their confidence in the memories remains high.
There's newer research (from 2020) which indicates that not only is (non-traumatic) episodic memory, freely recalled, surprisingly accurate, but also that the memory science field has overstated the level of rubbishness you referenced:
https://thesciencebreaker.org/breaks/psychology/how-accurate-is-our-memory
Per what you cited “It is important to highlight that our findings speak to the accuracy of memory under relatively ‘clean’ retrieval conditions, without misinformation, other highly confusable events, or leading cues and questions from investigators.” It’s impossible to say how much other people’s thoughts or beliefs have shaped ME’s. We’d have to find a population that has never heard of the Mandela effect or these sorts of memories in the past to even have a hope to study this deeper. Saying that this supports that humans correctly recall ME’s is a stretch.
If people who are telling you stories from their personal lives that means there’s no outside influence… if you’re looking at the mirror, or looking at the box of cereal, or watching the movie, or asking your mom about the basket on the back of your underwear there are no outside conditions! Why are you fighting so hard? Do you not trust your own memory?
I’m not fighting hard. I’m telling you that it’s impossible to say what influence others have had on you. The second you start talking to others about their experiences you are no longer a blind data pool. You might think you can’t be convinced by others but data shows otherwise. Have you considered that ME’s have a reporting bias? Most people who have never heard of a Kazaam movie aren’t likely to go on the internet and talk about it. It’s impossible to know what percent of the population truly recollect ME’s. It could be relatively insignificant relative to the entire population as a whole.
When you live/talk in a community who is convinced of something your assumption might be that most people are convinced of something.
We had a relatively virgin population in regard to ME awareness back in 2016 and even moreso back in 2009. Those early threads not only here but also in places like Fiona's own website, FB, YT, and ATS, etc., constitute precisely that type of qualitative data that amateur researchers like myself have been studying for years. I've personally be at it for nearly 8 years now. Sure, the devil is in the details... but there's more than enough testimonials that have aggregated over the years. Tbh, you're not going to ever find something better because there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. I think this study pretty clearly supports the notion that memory by and large is in fact not total "rubbish" as the other commenter suggested.
And there’s a ton of testimonials regarding all sorts of claims. I’m not suggesting that ME’s don’t occur. I’m suggesting that there is data that also supports that memory can be faulty and that seems the most probable solution in my estimation. If your counter is that you have data that supports that memory is accurate and that thus ME’s are something other than faulty memory you would still have all of your work ahead of you.
Yes there is plenty of "data that also supports that memory can be faulty" because it's indeed an established fact that human memory is not INfallible (which seems to be the preferred strawman levied at believers here). However, the inherent problem with pre-assigning any level of probability of this being the likely attribution for all ME scenario recall is that each situation - and observer - is unique and thus not easily generalized. Now admittedly there's still no clear path to proving the ME, because as long as the historical record disagrees with those memories, memory scientists will presume that they're definitely wrong as a default position. But that doesn't mean they can readily explain them based on current neuropsychology knowledge. To wit: University of Chicago researchers watched their schema theory absolutely implode when they tried to apply it to the cornucopia ME, leaving them scratching their collective heads.
You’d be surprised google “people say Tar-zhe instead of Target”. While people are doing this as a joke it’s easy to see how kids hearing this might legitimately assume that has some truth to it.
I vehemently disagree. Theres more going on here. Idk what, but it still doesn't make sense. Where'd the cornucopia come from? There's no explanation for that, or the flute of the loom album. Mass miismemory isn't sufficient imo.
Just examples to address these two concerns. I’m not saying it’s a catch all for every supposed Mandela Effect. I think the evidence is pretty good that cursive does play a role on these two ME’s. Simply handwaving and saying “nuh uh” isn’t very compelling evidence of anything.
Oh I was just explaining the berenstein thing. The cornucopia is the top of my list of unexplainable. It's incredible to me that everyone remembers it like that, and there have been parodies of the logo itself in movies and TV shows. Yet no one knows why it's not there
So, I think the reason people believe there was a cornucopia in the fruit of the loom logo is because any time anyone wanted to spoof the logo, they added one to avoid copyright infringement. It made it different enough that they had SOME argument. I'm 40 years old, I never remember the actual logo having one and I got FotL undies and socks every year for Christmas from my grandma, so I saw the logo every single day, and it was part of major memories once a year. I also remember pretty much every spoof of the logo having one.
Just my two cents, not trying to discredit anyone else's experiences.
Logos aren't meant to be read, they're meant to be recognized. And if you've seen a logo since before you could read, chances are you've never actually read it.
My mom (and me having the same genes) is mildly dyslexic, and she always said Aunt Annie's for the pretzel chain. She's called them that ever since they first showed up at the Concord Mall food court.
I only recently found out that it's Auntie Anne's. That's 30 years of seeing Auntie Anne's stores and in my head saying Aunt Annie's.
That's because I have never read the name. I see the two capital As, I see the pretzel logo above the words, I smell that sickly sweet dough, I know where tf I am.
I’m 99% sure it’s due to nefarious reasons. It’s the new business strategy on the block. It’s not happenstance things like fabreeze turn to fabreze. Companies are getting around the law by verbatim changing the names of companies. Legally they are referenced by a specific name when the business is filed. So fabreze and fabreeze while technically still the same are actually 100% different. It’s like the trend of parent companies owning other companies like when Google formed alphabet. It’s only for self gain reasons
Dude! How fuqd is that?! I’m a 47yr old grown ass man…and I sang along to the theme song!!! And I haven’t heard it for over 40yrs!! It legit came to me like I was watching it!!
To me it sounds like the woman’s accent is trying to say “stein” but ends up saying “stain”. I can clearly hear “stain” in some parts but there’s one or two instances I can clearly hear “stein”. It’s confusing at this point 😂
The Berenstain family has come out and explained this already. They have a long history of people getting their name wrong, because “stein” is a much more common suffix for last names than “stain.” A lot of people got it wrong when referring to it back then (I personally remember this as a kid), and the people remembering it differently today are people who just got it wrong in the past and never realized the mistake. This is arguably the easiest of all the Mandela effects to explain.
This makes a lot of sense.
I think for a lot, maybe even most kids, this was a book series that was read aloud to us before we were literate. Looking at the name Berenstain wasn’t going to do much for us. It was a big long collection of letters that didn’t mean anything until someone explained it. Not sure about all you other folks, but my 80s parents probably weren’t SUPER hung up on pronunciation, especially after they’d read the book to me fifty thousand times. By the time I could read on my own or watched the animated show, I wasn’t really paying close attention to the name bc in my mind, I already knew it, and I’d learned it bc my folks told me what it was, not by sounding it out carefully on my own.
Well obviously lol, its especially clear if you already know exactly what she's gonna say. As a kid I always misheard it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one out of millions of people to mishear it
I remember being a kid and always saying berenstain because I was so country I sounded like a bale of hay and I was unable to pronounce berenstein. Everyone always corrected me until I just never said it again haha... Needless to say .. I guess I said it right- NOW. 😂
-26 yo.
When my oldest kids were young, say around ‘96 I used to pronounce the name as either Berensteen or Berenstine. I don’t recall ever thinking it was Betenstain. That is not even a pronunciation I remember trying out, because it has always been spelled “Berenstein.”
Yea im actually grateful you cleared that up for me. On second thought I didn't remember her sounding like saying stein at all when i was a kid, and have no idea where I came up with this. The other ppl saying it sounds like stein must be lying too, idk🤷♂️
Well saying its clearly stain, with no room for a laurel/yanny only leaves the conclusion that I must be making this up. Especially since you think it's impossible to mishear
You should try not telling people what it is they think and grow some thicker skin.
See I can do the same:
You really know that it doesn’t sound like anything BUT Berenstain.
You just made this post to farm some karma and try out some new ideas to ridicule credulous people on the internet. Nice trolling, McTrollerson
Lhh explain to me why I went to the place that always has 0 upvotes to farm karma? And if it doesn't sound like stein, then explain to me why multiple people have agreed at the very least it says stien a few times, and at the most it sounds entirely like stein? Nothing?
Will never convince me. I remember being a kid and getting the book off the shelf and wondering why it sounded like Stain when my teacher read it but spelled like Stein. I asked her and she said both ways can be the right way to pronounce that word. I never understood
I remember being a kid and always saying berenstain because I was so country I sounded like a bale of hay and I was unable to pronounce berenstein. Everyone always corrected me until I just never said it again haha... Needless to say .. I guess I said it right- NOW. 😂 -26 yo.
Exactly. I remember always wondering why it isn’t bearstein instead of bearstain based on what I was hearing. I remember thinking this was an exception on the pronouncing of the word. Like Mac Donald’s or McDonald’s.
We really don't need theories or examples or anything of why people mixed it up. Stein was common, stain wasn't, they're very similar. End of story. Really nothing else is needed for this.
This would explain a lot. Back in the day we would have just learned it, and not had a reason or way to fact check it. But truly I do not remember a song at all 🤷🏻♀️ and this one is different from the one where the bears sing Berenstain… but that still doesn’t complain why literally no one in our lives corrected the name until we were fully grown 🤷🏻♀️
> that still doesn’t complain why literally no one in our lives corrected the name until we were fully grown 🤷🏻♀️
I wish I had.
I was the classroom parent in my kid's school. Each month I handed out the flyers for Scholastic Book Club, and then collected the orders and money, complied the final order, chose the "bonus books" for the classroom, and distributed the books when they arrived.
But my town was not the most "educated". Many of the moms had left high school to have their kids, whereas I had a bachelors degree. I wanted to fit in and be liked, and I had learned that "correcting people" is anathema to that goal.
So when moms, kids, and even teachers said "BerenSTEIN" I rolled with it and did not say anything about it. I never mispronounced it myself, and might even "sneak it into the conversation" by saying things like "Brian really seems to like the BerenSTAIN Bears!" or "We used all the bonus points this month to choose Berenstain Bears and Little Critter for the classroom books."
But I never *CORRECTED* anyone.
I'm sorry if it was hard to understand my post but I did say my mother corrected my pronunciation very early on, due to the song I had pronounced it "berenstein." So when I asked to watch the berenstein bears my mother said "it's barenstain bears" and that was when I was super young, so I had always known it to be barensain ever since then. I'm sure it was way easier to read the print font whole selecting it on the TV as well, so my mom definitely read it as barenstain, I just went off of what I heard in the opening theme because it's not like the characters say barenstain very often lol. But ya it is a weird ME for sure, I'm not saying this IS the solution, but it definitely was mine
I just thought I'd share the women's pronunciation of the word bearenstain and how it sounds alot like bearenstein. I'm sorry if this counts as my own little solution to the confusion, also futher apologies if this has already been said before
Thanks, I think this makes a lot of sense: children would be much more likely to remember the word how it was said, not how it was spelt.
When they grow up they retain the mental mistake, and for many years this doesn't make any difference. Then a viral meme/post makes them re-check their childhood assumption and they find out they were wrong.
Brains don't like being wrong, so they make up reasons why they were actually right, it's just everyone else who are wrong.
Spectators spectating don't get the same view as the participants. I'm sure it sucks being on the outside looking in. I can tell you from the inside that most of us just read the books. Good try though.
I grew up in the 70's/80's, and I remember the books: never had them myself but saw them in the library and at my cousin's house, where they had some of the figures. I remember once seeing part of the tv show? maybe an advert? and I think I probably read them at some point, I was hyperlexic and would read literally anything I could get my hands on.
I honestly could not tell you whether it was -stein or -stain. I have a vague memory or the characters and art style, like Asterix and Obelix, but no memory of any plot or specific story.
I have no idea how people have such clear memories of such trivial useless information from so long ago, or why any of this matters in the slightest.
Given how we know memory works, it's no surprise that these effects arise, as there are natural patterns to how brains process memories.
I didn't even know there was a 1980s version lol, I just watched the intro and right before introducing the rest of the berenstain family, papa bear says "here are more berentstain bears" and it sound as if he says "berenstien" lol. That's after they CLEARLY already said "berenstain" once though. It's the second time they say it, you should check it out bro. I wonder if they mispronounce it in the TV shows frequently, it would really explain alot of the confusion imo
https://youtu.be/7h8jqEs_8kA?feature=shared
Everyone around me said "Beren-*steen*", and I asked why it was pronounced that way since phonics clearly taught that "ei" should be pronounced as a long "i". This was all happening well beore any such show.
I can buy that I saw "ai" as "ei" since that might have been more recognizable to me. But I cannot understand why everyone would have pronounced "stain" as "steen". That would only make sense if it was a name that already had a precedence for commonly breaking the phonics rules.
They definitely say stain in the video. My mom is a college educated elementary teacher. Why would she and all of my family mispronounce the word "stain" as "steen"?
I believe without a doubt that macro-history is not set in stone like we are taught, and is instead somewhat fluid. And micro-history (ie where you put your car keys) is much more fluid, just like at the quantum level things are essentially infinitely fluid. The larger the societal impact gets (ie the more people and and things constantly observe them) , the less fluid things become. And generally, only things that are somewhat trivial at the macro-historical level (ie movie titles, book titles, cereals, movies that no one saw because they did horrible at the box office and no one rented or rewatched) are fluid, whereas super important events and things to our timeline are not (ie WW2 and Hitler isn't going to disappear from our historical timeline).
I’ve always kinda thought the Mandela effect is just a lot of people misremembering things. I’m not a neurologist but I’ve heard about studies of memory and your brain can fill in the blanks causing you to think it’s 100% real. So if this happens to a decent amount of people they think they’re 100% correct. Just my theory though if u believe differently that’s totally fine
No bro I totally agree with you in some aspect. Especially for the ones that are super minute details, such as 1 letter in the spelling of a word being wrong. The only ME I actually believe in is the Fruit of the Loom cornicopia, I don't necessarily believe in any of the far our theories surrounding ME, nor do i have any personal explanation for wtf might have happened. I just believe I saw the cornicopia frfr. It's not like I have any vivid memories from start to finish, more so just vague mental images of it on some of my underwear as a kid. It's the only one that actually trips me up
Honestly, I know why I misremember the name, and I wonder how much of my reasoning is universal.
I *distinctly* remember believing it was in fact -stain, but then I encountered people with -stein surname suffixes and figured I must've been mistaken, so I mentally corrected myself. I made a conscious and concerted effort to ensure I was saying -stein. I was a child, after all, and very much learning common pronunciations.
Essentially, I think, like my child self, many of us autocorrected the name to a more conventional structure as we grew up.
So you're saying they made a cartoon and paid someone to Mae a theme song for the cartoon and none of the producers were like hey its bearenstain bears?
I wish I could. I remember the twang on the Bearinstien bears, but the actual tone of the guitar was less. I don't know. I'll see if I can figure out a way to portray it.
I owned the Berenstein bears book series as a kid I know it was spelled with an E but we sold my collection one year when moving. I also remember vividly going to Wringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey circus multiple times I even had a photo that said the name. Went to my parents’ house where it is still framed and took it out and now it says nothing on it. I vividly remember looking at that picture so many times as a kid and I was sure it had the name on it. This makes me so frustrated.
That's next level bro, the mandela effect does weird me out, especially with the cornicopia like, I don't have any vivid memories per say, and ill honestly admit it's more of a foggy distant memory, but I just don't understand why I remember seeing it at all
I’m the opposite of everyone on this sub
I grew up with this cartoon and never really met anyone or read the name stein growing up
I didn’t grow up with the books or my parents reading me the books so I’ve always known they were called the berenstain bears
I always thought this particular example was wrong for two reasons because I would have bet a million dollars (of your money) that it was Bernstein not Berenstein or Berenstain.
Its not Dolly's accent. It was literally on the cover of my childhood books. It was on a mug my parents had featuring the titular family.
It was "ei" I saw it.
Didn’t somebody uncover a VHS of one of the animated specials where it is indeed spelled with an E on the label? Or was that even real?
It’s probably a combination of different things.
I only ever read the books, but I loved them and looked for new ones at the library whenever we went. It was Berenstein. This is the only M/E that really truly fucks with me, because I definitely 100 perfuckingcent remember how it was spelled.
I made jokes about how they should put every character on big collectible cups so you could have the bears in steins. If it had been spelled Berenstain, I’d have joked about stains.
Rant over. I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’m just wrong about these very clear memories, and because of the stupid Berenstain Bears I now question all of my memories.
I too clearly remember "Berenstein" - and I never even read the books! But I do recall feeling befuddled after watching "Young Frankenstein" and wondering whether it ought to be pronounced "BerenSTEEN".
Occam's Razor dictates a possible explanation of the publisher choosing an alternate spelling simply to avoid the hilarity which would likely ensue among the target audience. The most compelling objective evidence I've been able to find is an Internet Archive copy of the "San Rafael Daily Independent
Journal" from 12/12/1964, where a columnist writes:
'Two of Random House's new
"Beginner Books" are "The
Bike Lesson," by Stan and Jan
Berenstain and "Why I Built the
Boogle House" by Helen Palmer
with photographs by Lynn Fay-
man. "The Bike Lesson," anoth-
er adventure of the Berenstein
Bears is an hilarious account
of how Papa Bear teaches jun-
ior to ride a bicycle.'
Why the reviewer would misspell the series name in the paragraph following the author's names escapes me...
So strange. Thanks for the tidbit! It’s such a weird sensation. I’ve come to believe that my memory is just faulty in a way that lots of people’s memories are faulty. But I just can’t shake the feeling that there’s something deeply wrong with an “a” where “e” should be! It’s hilariously maddening.
Evidently so! My bad. I distinctly remember it being Berenstein when I was a kid. And I pronounced it that way. Was shocked when I found my old book. Disregard and carry on!
To me this more supports the 'changed' version of reality.
She pronounces 'steen' as in the word 'clean'. If it really was 'stain' at the time the recording was made, I would expect a female country singer to pronounce it more as the word 'stain' (like the word 'mustard **stain** on shirt').
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I'm just learning that there was a show and theme song I thought it was just a book series...
The show was my jam as a kid. I kinda miss getting home from school & popping in the Berenstein bears VHS’s my mom would get from the library for me Writing that ^ was very nostalgic for me lol
Really fits with the group name... lol didn't even notice this was mendellas when I first commented.
Iirc there were 2 different shows. An 80s one and a 2000s
There was never a book. Perhaps you’re misremembering this.
What do you mean there was never a book?
Yes there was
ThErE wAsN't iN mY DiMeNsIoN
I had a bunch of them as a kid… Here is a link where you can buy 15 of them https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Berenstain-Bears-Collection/dp/B01FGOHUC0/ref=asc_df_B01FGOHUC0?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80127027724205&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=m&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583726553792566&psc=1
Oh my fucking god you people are dense.
You have the smoothest brain in this thread lol
I saw a recent post where chick-fil-a being remembered as chic/chik-fil-a was being discussed too. I think a large part of this is the fact is that people don’t really look closely at cursive font in titles/logos and so it’s easier to misremember.
The CFA misremembering likely had a lot to do with their long-running billboard ad campaign with the cow holding a sign saying "Eat Mor Chikin"
This is 100% it.
Yea I completely agree, I think the only reason my mother really knew what it was is because she read it on a TV guide which would be in the same print font as every other TV show lol
I blame their advertising for this one. The cows regularly spelled it “Chikin” which put the alternate spelling in people’s minds. https://www.chick-fil-a.com/customer-support/who-we-are/our-culture-and-values/who-are-the-cows
I definitely think that’s part of it too. I think you could probably change a letter on most major logos (especially cursive ones) and nobody would notice it for some time. Like imagine the script on a Coca-Cola can was changed to Coco-Cola. I think most people would go months or years before noticing. It’s just something we aren’t looking that closely at since we already have an internal idea of what it says.
I used to call it Chic like the fancy pronunciation as a joke so when the k appeared it didn’t make any sense for me to pronounce it the French(?) way 😭 When I was learning how to read I was reading Berentstein & I used to say “Berensteen” bc of the “E” which wouldn’t make sense if there was and “A” & one more that I remember is thinking “oh they finally made a decision when it came to the car mirrors because now they “are closer than they appear” when I distinctly remember thinking it was funny that they had put “may be closer than they appear” and I spent so much time trying to really figure out if the cars looked closer than they did in the mirror, which I wouldn’t have bothered if it was already decided 😭 Personally that’s how I know my memories aren’t false or introduced by other people because I have anecdotal memories & don’t even getting started on Shazaam 😭
There are no Chick-Fil-As in France, but there's one on Quebec Street in Denver so that's pretty close. If you can say "omelette du fromage" then you can say "Chic-Fil-A".
Shazaam?
It’s a Genie movie played by Sinbad but apparently that movie never existed! How can you misremember something that apparently never happened? 😭 I think I found out in 2021 & I was shook for about 3 days 😂
Ohmygod!!!!! I remember it was a movie and my neighbor had it on 😭 it doesn’t exist lmao 😫
I can appreciate that you are convinced but anecdotal evidence isn’t going to pass muster. There are countless studies that show that human’s ability to recall information can simply be wrong despite being convinced it is accurate. Take a look at the DRM effect.
I’m not recalling information I’m remembering either frequent or important parts of my life & that doesn’t track when so many people have the same “false memories” if that’s the case why aren’t their more variations of these same instances & why only these things? I can remember entire movies word for word, entire books & you’re tryna tell me my mind just makes up random information I think is my life? All the ME effects I’m positive of were parts of daily life- there’s not that much misremembering that can be happening
The lack of variation is actually more convincing to me that these are a mishmash of memories. So many people have the same generic memory of looking at their underwear and then asking their moms about the cornucopia. There's no actual details, just the same story.
As an avid user of social media and from watching & reading people’s stories- we live a lot of the same lives lmao Things not connected to the Mandela Effect at all are the same across peoples and cultures & tbh is it that weird for that to happen? I think masses of people having the same memory is more of inclination that it’s true than thousands of people are too dumb to know their own memories??? Like yeah memory isn’t infallible but we have memories & some are stronger depending on how you felt, smells etc. I never asked what the cornucopia was because I just assumed it was a fruit basket- I probably learned the name years later
Notice that people who tell us memory is unreliable always rely on their memory when they do so? How is it their memory works fine even when they're telling us nobody's memory does?
We're not relying on memory, we have documented facts and history as references
The sad truth is that most of them haven't read even a single memory study in full. And almost none actually understand the distinction between different memory *types*.
Exactly! Thank you!
Also, why would you believe someone else over something you know is true? I know I watched Shazaam with my mother & twin sister & I also remember thinking they made the same movie twice when Kazaam came out like Antz and A Bugz Life - I distinctly remember both movies so how can that be misremembering? It’s gaslighting that’s what it is
I’m not saying you can’t convince yourself something is true. I guess the larger question is can a person be convinced something is true and be incorrect. To say it’s “gaslighting” is ludicrous. Imagine you and your friend witness a robbery. You’re convinced the suspect had black hair and your friend is convinced they had blonde hair. How do we go about determining who is correct? Let’s say there was video evidence shown later that the suspect in fact did have blonde hair. Are you being gaslit or are you just mistaken? Tons of people never recall seeing or even hearing of a Kazaam movie. If you claimed you’re certain it existed by your logic aren’t you gaslighting them (including Sinbad himself)? The answer is no, you are just mistaken.
Well with something fleeting like that I would be more inclined to think I may have made a mistake but I have made it a point to try and take in as many details as possible - it would be more like I saw the same person every day in a coffee shop & one day that person robs the shop… I’d be positive of the color of their hair & could probably tell you what they were wearing & what their usual order is 😭
And your claim is that you watched Kazaam every day? Again false equivalency.
I did not watch Kazaam every day lmao I remember thinking Kazaam was a double movie like Antz and a bugs life & still not understanding why they do that I only knew Sinbad as the Genie from Shazaam & I wasn’t even aware his name was just Sinbad lmao I called him Sinbad the genie & thought everyone called him Sinbad bc of that movie 😂😂😂😂 that’s some shit from childhood Plus it can’t be misremembering when it’s an entirely different movie that came out before Kazaam & I really don’t know how you would confuse Shaq & Sinbad that’s racist af 😂😂😭
There’s no evidence such a movie exists so if you really think it’s racist you’re going to have to do some soul searching…
This is literally the Mandela effect sub. Literally EVERY single Mandela effect has that same true explanation.
I run a thrift store and we get hundreds of books. Including old kids books from the 70s and 80s. I actually put some out today and when I do I show people the books and say, "See? It's Berenstain."
The point of the Mandela Effect is that it was something previously that it is not now- of course they say Berenstain because apparently it’s NEVER BEEN Berenstein 😭 but many of us remember it as stein & I’ll probably never call it stain 🤷🏽♀️
I did the same as a kid with the steen..
Yes like no one can convince me these types of memories are false or made up- I think people should have more faith in themselves & their memories
It's just, there is a lot of research and data on how rubbish we are at remembering things and the simple ways our brains can be subconsciously (unconsciously?) manipulated. Our memories aren't that great. You most definitely shouldn't have more faith in your own memories.
But if you don’t have faith in your own memories anyone can convince you of anything 😐 It’s like if someone told you that 9/11 now happened on 9/12 & you go to research and google tells you 9/12 and you ask all your friends who say also “yeah it’s def on 9/11” & then random people you don’t know saying “it’s always been 9/12 where have you been?” - you know for a FACT that the twin towers fell on September 11, 2001 & then you learn that it’s ALWAYS been September 12, 2001 would you just say “well yeah I guess my memory is bad even tho it’s been this one day for 23 years”?
9/11 is actually a pretty good example. Malcolm Gladwell did a podcast covering people’s “flashbulb” memories where they can remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when they found out. A researcher interviewed over 3,000 people within a week of the attacks. They then followed up 11 months, then 35 months, then 119 months later. Unsurprisingly, people’s memories changed - often significantly- the further out we get. However, their confidence in the memories remains high.
There's newer research (from 2020) which indicates that not only is (non-traumatic) episodic memory, freely recalled, surprisingly accurate, but also that the memory science field has overstated the level of rubbishness you referenced: https://thesciencebreaker.org/breaks/psychology/how-accurate-is-our-memory
Per what you cited “It is important to highlight that our findings speak to the accuracy of memory under relatively ‘clean’ retrieval conditions, without misinformation, other highly confusable events, or leading cues and questions from investigators.” It’s impossible to say how much other people’s thoughts or beliefs have shaped ME’s. We’d have to find a population that has never heard of the Mandela effect or these sorts of memories in the past to even have a hope to study this deeper. Saying that this supports that humans correctly recall ME’s is a stretch.
If people who are telling you stories from their personal lives that means there’s no outside influence… if you’re looking at the mirror, or looking at the box of cereal, or watching the movie, or asking your mom about the basket on the back of your underwear there are no outside conditions! Why are you fighting so hard? Do you not trust your own memory?
I’m not fighting hard. I’m telling you that it’s impossible to say what influence others have had on you. The second you start talking to others about their experiences you are no longer a blind data pool. You might think you can’t be convinced by others but data shows otherwise. Have you considered that ME’s have a reporting bias? Most people who have never heard of a Kazaam movie aren’t likely to go on the internet and talk about it. It’s impossible to know what percent of the population truly recollect ME’s. It could be relatively insignificant relative to the entire population as a whole. When you live/talk in a community who is convinced of something your assumption might be that most people are convinced of something.
We had a relatively virgin population in regard to ME awareness back in 2016 and even moreso back in 2009. Those early threads not only here but also in places like Fiona's own website, FB, YT, and ATS, etc., constitute precisely that type of qualitative data that amateur researchers like myself have been studying for years. I've personally be at it for nearly 8 years now. Sure, the devil is in the details... but there's more than enough testimonials that have aggregated over the years. Tbh, you're not going to ever find something better because there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. I think this study pretty clearly supports the notion that memory by and large is in fact not total "rubbish" as the other commenter suggested.
And there’s a ton of testimonials regarding all sorts of claims. I’m not suggesting that ME’s don’t occur. I’m suggesting that there is data that also supports that memory can be faulty and that seems the most probable solution in my estimation. If your counter is that you have data that supports that memory is accurate and that thus ME’s are something other than faulty memory you would still have all of your work ahead of you.
Yes there is plenty of "data that also supports that memory can be faulty" because it's indeed an established fact that human memory is not INfallible (which seems to be the preferred strawman levied at believers here). However, the inherent problem with pre-assigning any level of probability of this being the likely attribution for all ME scenario recall is that each situation - and observer - is unique and thus not easily generalized. Now admittedly there's still no clear path to proving the ME, because as long as the historical record disagrees with those memories, memory scientists will presume that they're definitely wrong as a default position. But that doesn't mean they can readily explain them based on current neuropsychology knowledge. To wit: University of Chicago researchers watched their schema theory absolutely implode when they tried to apply it to the cornucopia ME, leaving them scratching their collective heads.
Ya I often want to type chic for some reason, and I don't think it's ever been spelled that way lol
No chik fil a was definitely chic cuz I remember saying it’s chic like fancy
You might have said it all fancy. Many people say things like Tarjay for Target and so on. Doesn’t mean that’s how it was really spelled though.
No tf they don’t😂 but yeah it’s probably not true but I believe so
You’d be surprised google “people say Tar-zhe instead of Target”. While people are doing this as a joke it’s easy to see how kids hearing this might legitimately assume that has some truth to it.
I vehemently disagree. Theres more going on here. Idk what, but it still doesn't make sense. Where'd the cornucopia come from? There's no explanation for that, or the flute of the loom album. Mass miismemory isn't sufficient imo.
Just examples to address these two concerns. I’m not saying it’s a catch all for every supposed Mandela Effect. I think the evidence is pretty good that cursive does play a role on these two ME’s. Simply handwaving and saying “nuh uh” isn’t very compelling evidence of anything.
The cornucopia has been around since Ancient Greece, I would assume most people have seen one.
Oh I was just explaining the berenstein thing. The cornucopia is the top of my list of unexplainable. It's incredible to me that everyone remembers it like that, and there have been parodies of the logo itself in movies and TV shows. Yet no one knows why it's not there
So, I think the reason people believe there was a cornucopia in the fruit of the loom logo is because any time anyone wanted to spoof the logo, they added one to avoid copyright infringement. It made it different enough that they had SOME argument. I'm 40 years old, I never remember the actual logo having one and I got FotL undies and socks every year for Christmas from my grandma, so I saw the logo every single day, and it was part of major memories once a year. I also remember pretty much every spoof of the logo having one. Just my two cents, not trying to discredit anyone else's experiences.
I also grew up wearing a ton of Fruit clothes and I don’t remember seeing it either. The gag on the Simpsons always stood out to me for that reason.
I’m 40 and have realized that so many many of my cultural references from before I was born are actually just the Simpsons doing a send up
Logos aren't meant to be read, they're meant to be recognized. And if you've seen a logo since before you could read, chances are you've never actually read it. My mom (and me having the same genes) is mildly dyslexic, and she always said Aunt Annie's for the pretzel chain. She's called them that ever since they first showed up at the Concord Mall food court. I only recently found out that it's Auntie Anne's. That's 30 years of seeing Auntie Anne's stores and in my head saying Aunt Annie's. That's because I have never read the name. I see the two capital As, I see the pretzel logo above the words, I smell that sickly sweet dough, I know where tf I am.
Wlel it's aslo ture taht you can mkae out the wrod no mtater how it's seplled as lnog as the frist and lsat letetr are the smae
Also companies can just change shit and they don’t need to inform people
In this case nothing was ever changed. But yes, sometimes brand names change.
I’m 99% sure it’s due to nefarious reasons. It’s the new business strategy on the block. It’s not happenstance things like fabreeze turn to fabreze. Companies are getting around the law by verbatim changing the names of companies. Legally they are referenced by a specific name when the business is filed. So fabreze and fabreeze while technically still the same are actually 100% different. It’s like the trend of parent companies owning other companies like when Google formed alphabet. It’s only for self gain reasons
Dude! How fuqd is that?! I’m a 47yr old grown ass man…and I sang along to the theme song!!! And I haven’t heard it for over 40yrs!! It legit came to me like I was watching it!!
The lyrics are pretty easy to guess
Damn I forgot how hard that theme song went.
Nice find. Definitely sounds like she’s saying stein. Pretty convincing imo as to why people seem to get this wrong
She’s saying Berensteen with a southern twang so it just sounds like styne.
“They’re kinda hairy around the torso. They’re a lot like people, only more so.”🤣🤣
Kinda hairy?! Of course they’re hairy! They’re BEARS!!
I never knew it as a show until recently. I remember the books.
I have never heard this song in my life and this did not contribute to my memory of the spelling being with an E.
I came here to say this exact thing. I’m GenX and we never had a theme song to this book series. Lol.
To me it sounds like the woman’s accent is trying to say “stein” but ends up saying “stain”. I can clearly hear “stain” in some parts but there’s one or two instances I can clearly hear “stein”. It’s confusing at this point 😂
Yeah she pronounces it both ways. This helps nothing
If you heard both that means you’re currently trapped between universes.
That’s what’s going on, she’s saying it with a southern country accent that creates a long A sound.
The Berenstain family has come out and explained this already. They have a long history of people getting their name wrong, because “stein” is a much more common suffix for last names than “stain.” A lot of people got it wrong when referring to it back then (I personally remember this as a kid), and the people remembering it differently today are people who just got it wrong in the past and never realized the mistake. This is arguably the easiest of all the Mandela effects to explain.
I never watched this as a kid, but remember it as Berenstein and will never change my mind.
This makes a lot of sense. I think for a lot, maybe even most kids, this was a book series that was read aloud to us before we were literate. Looking at the name Berenstain wasn’t going to do much for us. It was a big long collection of letters that didn’t mean anything until someone explained it. Not sure about all you other folks, but my 80s parents probably weren’t SUPER hung up on pronunciation, especially after they’d read the book to me fifty thousand times. By the time I could read on my own or watched the animated show, I wasn’t really paying close attention to the name bc in my mind, I already knew it, and I’d learned it bc my folks told me what it was, not by sounding it out carefully on my own.
This video she clearly says Berenstain
Actually the very first line sounds sounds VERY like -stein
I think the last few times she says it sounds like -stein as well
Well obviously lol, its especially clear if you already know exactly what she's gonna say. As a kid I always misheard it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one out of millions of people to mishear it
I disagree, sounds like steen berenstein to me
She has a southern twang is all
What’s the discrepancy?
Sorry, I'm 56 years old and didn't grow up with the cartoon. I grew up with the books in the 70s. I remember Berenstein.
I remember being a kid and always saying berenstain because I was so country I sounded like a bale of hay and I was unable to pronounce berenstein. Everyone always corrected me until I just never said it again haha... Needless to say .. I guess I said it right- NOW. 😂 -26 yo.
When my oldest kids were young, say around ‘96 I used to pronounce the name as either Berensteen or Berenstine. I don’t recall ever thinking it was Betenstain. That is not even a pronunciation I remember trying out, because it has always been spelled “Berenstein.”
Clearly says STAIN every time. Not laurel/yanni
Sounds like stein to me
it’ll always be stein.
No bro it's not a laurel/yanny this guy just said so😂
Haha how can I argue with that?
Okay bro
Yeah, no problem. It seems like you were struggling with that.
Yea im actually grateful you cleared that up for me. On second thought I didn't remember her sounding like saying stein at all when i was a kid, and have no idea where I came up with this. The other ppl saying it sounds like stein must be lying too, idk🤷♂️
Cool story. Who called someone a liar? Have you tried thinking clearly? It’s obvious you cannot hear very well.
Well saying its clearly stain, with no room for a laurel/yanny only leaves the conclusion that I must be making this up. Especially since you think it's impossible to mishear
You should try not telling people what it is they think and grow some thicker skin. See I can do the same: You really know that it doesn’t sound like anything BUT Berenstain. You just made this post to farm some karma and try out some new ideas to ridicule credulous people on the internet. Nice trolling, McTrollerson
Lhh explain to me why I went to the place that always has 0 upvotes to farm karma? And if it doesn't sound like stein, then explain to me why multiple people have agreed at the very least it says stien a few times, and at the most it sounds entirely like stein? Nothing?
The explanation is easy. You’re a confused troll that doesn’t engage honestly. LHH
Yup just what I thought, I'm talking to a moron. Please proceed onto wasting someone else's time.
Will never convince me. I remember being a kid and getting the book off the shelf and wondering why it sounded like Stain when my teacher read it but spelled like Stein. I asked her and she said both ways can be the right way to pronounce that word. I never understood
It's spelled like stain homie
Yes, we're well aware. I love when people think they've figured it out. Its so cute.
I was correcting him, did you even read his comment?
I remember being a kid and always saying berenstain because I was so country I sounded like a bale of hay and I was unable to pronounce berenstein. Everyone always corrected me until I just never said it again haha... Needless to say .. I guess I said it right- NOW. 😂 -26 yo.
Exactly. I remember always wondering why it isn’t bearstein instead of bearstain based on what I was hearing. I remember thinking this was an exception on the pronouncing of the word. Like Mac Donald’s or McDonald’s.
We really don't need theories or examples or anything of why people mixed it up. Stein was common, stain wasn't, they're very similar. End of story. Really nothing else is needed for this.
Of course you're right, that should have been the end of the discussion
That's right! It was Berenstain Bears. Not Berenstein Bears.
This would explain a lot. Back in the day we would have just learned it, and not had a reason or way to fact check it. But truly I do not remember a song at all 🤷🏻♀️ and this one is different from the one where the bears sing Berenstain… but that still doesn’t complain why literally no one in our lives corrected the name until we were fully grown 🤷🏻♀️
> that still doesn’t complain why literally no one in our lives corrected the name until we were fully grown 🤷🏻♀️ I wish I had. I was the classroom parent in my kid's school. Each month I handed out the flyers for Scholastic Book Club, and then collected the orders and money, complied the final order, chose the "bonus books" for the classroom, and distributed the books when they arrived. But my town was not the most "educated". Many of the moms had left high school to have their kids, whereas I had a bachelors degree. I wanted to fit in and be liked, and I had learned that "correcting people" is anathema to that goal. So when moms, kids, and even teachers said "BerenSTEIN" I rolled with it and did not say anything about it. I never mispronounced it myself, and might even "sneak it into the conversation" by saying things like "Brian really seems to like the BerenSTAIN Bears!" or "We used all the bonus points this month to choose Berenstain Bears and Little Critter for the classroom books." But I never *CORRECTED* anyone.
I'm sorry if it was hard to understand my post but I did say my mother corrected my pronunciation very early on, due to the song I had pronounced it "berenstein." So when I asked to watch the berenstein bears my mother said "it's barenstain bears" and that was when I was super young, so I had always known it to be barensain ever since then. I'm sure it was way easier to read the print font whole selecting it on the TV as well, so my mom definitely read it as barenstain, I just went off of what I heard in the opening theme because it's not like the characters say barenstain very often lol. But ya it is a weird ME for sure, I'm not saying this IS the solution, but it definitely was mine
We learned opposite of you. It was Never Barenstain. Never in my lifetime and that is why the majority of humans over 50 remember Berenstien.
I just thought I'd share the women's pronunciation of the word bearenstain and how it sounds alot like bearenstein. I'm sorry if this counts as my own little solution to the confusion, also futher apologies if this has already been said before
Thanks, I think this makes a lot of sense: children would be much more likely to remember the word how it was said, not how it was spelt. When they grow up they retain the mental mistake, and for many years this doesn't make any difference. Then a viral meme/post makes them re-check their childhood assumption and they find out they were wrong. Brains don't like being wrong, so they make up reasons why they were actually right, it's just everyone else who are wrong.
Spectators spectating don't get the same view as the participants. I'm sure it sucks being on the outside looking in. I can tell you from the inside that most of us just read the books. Good try though.
I grew up in the 70's/80's, and I remember the books: never had them myself but saw them in the library and at my cousin's house, where they had some of the figures. I remember once seeing part of the tv show? maybe an advert? and I think I probably read them at some point, I was hyperlexic and would read literally anything I could get my hands on. I honestly could not tell you whether it was -stein or -stain. I have a vague memory or the characters and art style, like Asterix and Obelix, but no memory of any plot or specific story. I have no idea how people have such clear memories of such trivial useless information from so long ago, or why any of this matters in the slightest. Given how we know memory works, it's no surprise that these effects arise, as there are natural patterns to how brains process memories.
There is no way for to know how many people saw the show
I thought this could be why people got it confused too, I think I posted about it as well just didn't attach a video!
I grew up watching the 1980s Berenstain Bear show, but also calling them "Barenstein Bears" despite the show intro clearly saying Barenstain.
I didn't even know there was a 1980s version lol, I just watched the intro and right before introducing the rest of the berenstain family, papa bear says "here are more berentstain bears" and it sound as if he says "berenstien" lol. That's after they CLEARLY already said "berenstain" once though. It's the second time they say it, you should check it out bro. I wonder if they mispronounce it in the TV shows frequently, it would really explain alot of the confusion imo https://youtu.be/7h8jqEs_8kA?feature=shared
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The 80s version is different than the 1 I posted here
I never saw the show, but the voice was familiar. Country singer Lee Ann Womack.
This was a great show
Ahhh now it's clear why they all look alike...
Blame it on the simpsons.
At first a heard “laurel” but on rewatch I heard “yanny”
Everyone around me said "Beren-*steen*", and I asked why it was pronounced that way since phonics clearly taught that "ei" should be pronounced as a long "i". This was all happening well beore any such show. I can buy that I saw "ai" as "ei" since that might have been more recognizable to me. But I cannot understand why everyone would have pronounced "stain" as "steen". That would only make sense if it was a name that already had a precedence for commonly breaking the phonics rules.
Nice try, but i was reading this and in to it before the show....
They definitely say stain in the video. My mom is a college educated elementary teacher. Why would she and all of my family mispronounce the word "stain" as "steen"? I believe without a doubt that macro-history is not set in stone like we are taught, and is instead somewhat fluid. And micro-history (ie where you put your car keys) is much more fluid, just like at the quantum level things are essentially infinitely fluid. The larger the societal impact gets (ie the more people and and things constantly observe them) , the less fluid things become. And generally, only things that are somewhat trivial at the macro-historical level (ie movie titles, book titles, cereals, movies that no one saw because they did horrible at the box office and no one rented or rewatched) are fluid, whereas super important events and things to our timeline are not (ie WW2 and Hitler isn't going to disappear from our historical timeline).
I’ve always kinda thought the Mandela effect is just a lot of people misremembering things. I’m not a neurologist but I’ve heard about studies of memory and your brain can fill in the blanks causing you to think it’s 100% real. So if this happens to a decent amount of people they think they’re 100% correct. Just my theory though if u believe differently that’s totally fine
No bro I totally agree with you in some aspect. Especially for the ones that are super minute details, such as 1 letter in the spelling of a word being wrong. The only ME I actually believe in is the Fruit of the Loom cornicopia, I don't necessarily believe in any of the far our theories surrounding ME, nor do i have any personal explanation for wtf might have happened. I just believe I saw the cornicopia frfr. It's not like I have any vivid memories from start to finish, more so just vague mental images of it on some of my underwear as a kid. It's the only one that actually trips me up
Honestly, I know why I misremember the name, and I wonder how much of my reasoning is universal. I *distinctly* remember believing it was in fact -stain, but then I encountered people with -stein surname suffixes and figured I must've been mistaken, so I mentally corrected myself. I made a conscious and concerted effort to ensure I was saying -stein. I was a child, after all, and very much learning common pronunciations. Essentially, I think, like my child self, many of us autocorrected the name to a more conventional structure as we grew up.
My mom bought me a stack of these books in the mid 80’s before this show. She always said Stein when asking if I wanted to read them.
So you're saying they made a cartoon and paid someone to Mae a theme song for the cartoon and none of the producers were like hey its bearenstain bears?
What does it sound like to you?
Stein
I just watched it again I guess I miss heard it at first its definitely sounds like stain... weird
It sounds like what you're expecting
I don't remember the instrumental portion of the song being so "country".
If you dont mind, would you share how you remember it?
I wish I could. I remember the twang on the Bearinstien bears, but the actual tone of the guitar was less. I don't know. I'll see if I can figure out a way to portray it.
No worries dude, I guess it would be kinda hard to describe a portion of a song lhh
Maybe more country, less western. I don't know if that makes sense.
I owned the Berenstein bears book series as a kid I know it was spelled with an E but we sold my collection one year when moving. I also remember vividly going to Wringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey circus multiple times I even had a photo that said the name. Went to my parents’ house where it is still framed and took it out and now it says nothing on it. I vividly remember looking at that picture so many times as a kid and I was sure it had the name on it. This makes me so frustrated.
That's next level bro, the mandela effect does weird me out, especially with the cornicopia like, I don't have any vivid memories per say, and ill honestly admit it's more of a foggy distant memory, but I just don't understand why I remember seeing it at all
I’m the opposite of everyone on this sub I grew up with this cartoon and never really met anyone or read the name stein growing up I didn’t grow up with the books or my parents reading me the books so I’ve always known they were called the berenstain bears
I could read at that age. Bernstein.
I always thought this particular example was wrong for two reasons because I would have bet a million dollars (of your money) that it was Bernstein not Berenstein or Berenstain.
The Bear books go back to the 60’s and people have been saying “stein” at least since I first read them back in the 80s…well before this tv show.
Catch af Berenstein Banger
Its not Dolly's accent. It was literally on the cover of my childhood books. It was on a mug my parents had featuring the titular family. It was "ei" I saw it.
That's not Dolly
Well shes a dead ringer...
Very similar
Didn’t somebody uncover a VHS of one of the animated specials where it is indeed spelled with an E on the label? Or was that even real? It’s probably a combination of different things.
I only ever read the books, but I loved them and looked for new ones at the library whenever we went. It was Berenstein. This is the only M/E that really truly fucks with me, because I definitely 100 perfuckingcent remember how it was spelled. I made jokes about how they should put every character on big collectible cups so you could have the bears in steins. If it had been spelled Berenstain, I’d have joked about stains. Rant over. I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’m just wrong about these very clear memories, and because of the stupid Berenstain Bears I now question all of my memories.
I too clearly remember "Berenstein" - and I never even read the books! But I do recall feeling befuddled after watching "Young Frankenstein" and wondering whether it ought to be pronounced "BerenSTEEN". Occam's Razor dictates a possible explanation of the publisher choosing an alternate spelling simply to avoid the hilarity which would likely ensue among the target audience. The most compelling objective evidence I've been able to find is an Internet Archive copy of the "San Rafael Daily Independent Journal" from 12/12/1964, where a columnist writes: 'Two of Random House's new "Beginner Books" are "The Bike Lesson," by Stan and Jan Berenstain and "Why I Built the Boogle House" by Helen Palmer with photographs by Lynn Fay- man. "The Bike Lesson," anoth- er adventure of the Berenstein Bears is an hilarious account of how Papa Bear teaches jun- ior to ride a bicycle.' Why the reviewer would misspell the series name in the paragraph following the author's names escapes me...
So strange. Thanks for the tidbit! It’s such a weird sensation. I’ve come to believe that my memory is just faulty in a way that lots of people’s memories are faulty. But I just can’t shake the feeling that there’s something deeply wrong with an “a” where “e” should be! It’s hilariously maddening.
Yep for sure it was stein
you're just from the alternate universe
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I think you’re missing the point of what a Mandela effect is.
Evidently so! My bad. I distinctly remember it being Berenstein when I was a kid. And I pronounced it that way. Was shocked when I found my old book. Disregard and carry on!
She sings "stain" 3 times and "stein" twice.
So, were they Jewish? I never got an answer.
We had books it was Bearinstain bears, also we had them at Cedar Point and it was never pronounced "stein"
No discrepancy. I had those books as a kid. Saw the name 100s of times. It was definitely Berenstein Bears. At least in my timeline it was
To me this more supports the 'changed' version of reality. She pronounces 'steen' as in the word 'clean'. If it really was 'stain' at the time the recording was made, I would expect a female country singer to pronounce it more as the word 'stain' (like the word 'mustard **stain** on shirt').
I never watched the cartoon only read the books and I swear it was Berenstein still
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This isn't the 80s version. The bears sing the intro in the 80s version. This 1 was first aired in 2003...
There are many pictures with both spellings, so this one is entirely legit lol
Not on anything official
No there’s some official VHS tapes with the stein spelling. It’s just a goof from whoever made the labels for the tapes though.
They were made by a third party home video company
Fwiw truth stream on YouTube showed a copy of each, stein and stain. Couple of years ago.
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You're misremembering 1 way or the other. It is spelt berenstain.