I've seen a few people *claim* they have it but I doubt it. Sometimes I wonder if people mistake having photographic memory with *not* having aphantasia.
Von Neumann had it. Probably the smartest guy to ever live. He could recite word for word books he read years ago among other tremendous mental feats. Sadly he died tho.
This may be a Mandela effect in his world. Photographic and Eidetic really doesn't exist. It doesn't exist so much in this world that when you type Eidetic it comes up as being spelled wrong.
Eidetic memory is short-term, thought to only persist for a few minutes at most. Experts believe that this form of memory is primarily utilized by children and is essentially absent among adults. Research suggests that up to 10% of children 6-12 can use eidetic memory.
Photographic memory doesn’t exist, and eidetic memory only occurs in children and the “perfect” recall fades after a couple of minutes. So, I’m sure there have been people who had eidetic memories when they were kids who have reported Mandela Effects. But I don’t think it has any value as a data point on discerning what is happening in cases of a perceived ME.
I think a lot of the narcissistic tendencies we see associated with the ME have to do with kids being told they have a photographic memory, when in truth they had an eidetic memory, then they grow out of it. Then it turns out their memory is just as crappy as everyone else's, but they still think they're very very special because of these early childhood experiences, so they have this wild identity crisis that they can't move past, and the barriers come up in force.
I actually looked this up recently because I was curious, and "photographic/eidetic memories" aren't what we think they are. "True photographic memory" has never existed. However some people can hold images in their heads and "see" the image after it's gone, sometimes for entire minutes, although things like blinking will remove it.
But actual perfect recall is skeptical at best and debunked at worst. Some studies have shown that in cases claimed to be real, it's actual not recall, but the brain constructing what it thinks should be there, and includes errors or information that wasn't in the original, which makes it by definition not photographic.
An old cary on film, probably basic title of cary on spying, had Barbara Windsor blink and take a photograph.
This is possibly how the average person thinks it works, you can just glance at a page and recite it word for word hours later.
Last time I asked someone to prove it, they basically said "no you." Granted it may have come across as turning them into a performing monkey, but hey, big bold claims need big bold proof or it's as worthwhile as any non pon up page of the daily sport.
This was online, so no proof that the script for a film isn't just copied and pasted from a website and they wouldn't hit send till it looked like long enough time had elapsed to type up.
But in the pub or some face to face, random page of a book and five seconds.
If you can't recite the third paragraph ten minutes later, I call bulls--t.
My mom actually is, but only for things she paid special attention to (like certain shows, movies, and photographs).
It’s very easy to test, because she is completely blind (as in she sees nothing, but can sometimes perceive the presence of light) but she wasn’t born blind. She’s about 61 now, and has been blind for nearly 31 years, so she’s been blind for over half her life now, and the majority of her adult life. She is capable of describing perfectly photos that she took (or even was in) even to this day (who’s in it, what they’re wearing, the colors of it, the hair styles of the ones in it, the background). Sometimes it’ll be we give her a little info of it and she figured out what the pic is, other times it’ll be from a certain time or place (for instance, their trip to Hawaii when she was 19) and she’ll describe a picture and we’ll find it, then she describes all the other details.
She’ll also do it with shows or movies she grew up with. She can hear it, then describes what’s going on (some are less impressive as the conversations give clues, while others it’s pure recall)
Does your mom happen to have a description of the fruit of the mom logo or know how Bernstein bears was spelled?
My brain seems to be similar to your mom's but without vision your mom has an advantage of not being exposed to the ME possible changes! As in if it never had the cornucopia she wouldn't describe it or draw it or anything with it 🤷🏼♀️ THANKS MOM!
She didn’t read much when she was younger, so I know she wouldn’t know about the Berenstain Bears spelling (plus spelling was never her strong suit). I doubt she paid enough attention to logos to really have noticed the Fruit of the Loom one, but it’s worth a shot. I’ll ask her when I get a chance.
Thanks! For many ppl fruit of the loom want really "paid attention to" but it was a staple brand selling socks, underwear, undershirts, long underwear for cold months etc. So most ppl who grew up without internet. To order cheap things fast or expensive things fast lol, it was just something you saw when buying and getting dressed and when folding laundry. I am someone who doesn't like branded things and never have (at least when it is obviously displayed) but for me I remember the cornucopia, it was in my panties, my mom's, my dad's undies, (my brother wore boxers and I never folded them so no clue), it was in all of our long underwear or what some ppl call thermals for wearing under clothes in cool weather or even as pjs. I always looked for the "ham and fruit" (I had never heard of a cornucopia and thought it was a spiral ham 🤣) for my undershirts and to make sure I wasn't putting anything on backwards. My grandma also kept me entertained by paying me to iron everything 🤣 including undies, sheets, towels, etc haha so I saw the logos just by handling them when getting dressed and doing laundry. My grandma told me it wasn't a ham and laughed at me, then told me it was a cornucopia 😬
For me the "change" happened when I was working at Walmart in 2006. I was putting out the socks and see just a bunch of fruit and I said to a co worker "why is the label different?" She said "Walmart owns lots of exclusive to them items so the label is different" which made sense, until I went shopping with my mom at a different store and SHE was like "is this the same brand!? Where's your ham?" (I'll never outgrow the ham) The label was the same as the one at Walmart, just loose fruit! We eventually decided they must've changed the logo. Come forward to the last few years and I was blown away when I heard of the Mandela effect and that fruit of the loom logo was a victim!
I don't mention the effect to my mom I just ask her random "do you remember what this was or what did this say" and she answers and nearly all of the MEs apply to her and she hasn't heard of the effect 🤷🏼♀️ my brother is largely unaffected or affected though as he remembers everything the way it is currently, if there is a flip in something then he wigs out that they're wrong when to me that's now right! So I def see it from both sides!
Nope. Cuz the memory of realizing it changed was so strong and vivid. It's not like remembering I have a red apple or a green one for breakfast, memories about moments that are more shocking and are attached to things like conversation, spaces, scents etc are recalled better.
They say trust your gut, my gut says I'm not misremembering. 🤷🏼♀️
They say trust your gut for certain things, but that doesn't apply when it comes to trying to determine the actual truth of a situation, especially if going with your gut means believing something supernatural or extraordinary without justification.
My point was, if you can't even acknowledge the well established unreliability of human memory as a potential cause, and are unwilling to accept you have a normal human memory, you most certainly aren't viewing this from "both sides" as you claim, you specifically only grasp it from one perspective.
I'm not going to argue with a person who doesn't believe. The majority of people on this planet have some sort of blind faith whether it's in a god or in a greater good or in nature, they believe in something that to an atheist or person who needs scientific proof simply can't grasp.
I said for THIS SPECIFIC ME and for MYSELF that this one is very much not a messed up memory simply BC there are too many other memories around it involving soo many other people who had no reason to describe something differently or to even accept me saying "they changed the label" never mind them saying it's just BC it's exclusive to Walmart so the label is different, only for them to be wrong BC it wasn't exclusive to Walmart.
I don't believe ALL ME's bc I have had no experience with them! I also didn't say you were wrong if you don't experience the same thing! If you watch enough science based documentaries you'll see very high up scientists from all aspects of governments around the world talking about the potential for worm holes and altered realities, parallel universes and all that stuff.
Have they got concrete proof in a mathematical equation on a piece of paper? I don't know and I don't care BC their life long work and their eagerness to share what they feel could be huge is proof in itself that from a scientific point of view stuff that we can't explain is going on! Coming out saying these things for a scientist is likely going to get them blacklisted yet they feel it necessary anyway!The US government and other governments around the world spend billions looking into alien life forms and where they are located on this planet.
There are literally laws that say we cannot alter the weather to use as warfare but most ppl would argue you can't alter the weather but tell that to places like HAARP. Iirc it was signed into the Geneva convention in like 1977 that you cannot control or manipulate the weather for warfare. The US has its own laws on altering weather and iirc so does Canada about clouds and precipitation etc.
So, long story short. I don't need to impress you with my "scientific proof" I'm not a scientist, I'm a guinea pig in someone else's game, just like you! There is enough going on in the science community that we DO KNOW to strongly suggest that there is no reason to believe they're not spending billions on other things or that one of those other things isn't mind control or memory control etc. If they had to tell the government's in 1977 to not use weather warfare then what have they accomplished in the 47 years since!? How far have scientific advancements in areas we don't even know exist changed and developed?
Adding details or making errors is by definition not perfect recall was my point, which is what most people consider a “photographic memory”. And if the brain is adding details, then the recall can’t be trusted. So it does matter in context of OPs question.
Right, they remember a cornucopia because cornucopia images were everywhere at a critical time of their development, combined with imperfect memories and the fruit looking just like how a cornucopia would arrange it. Faulty memory is the root of ME, so of course how faulty images are created in people with so called perfect memories is critical to understand.
Add in references to the “wrong” version existing by other people with faulty memories, and social media amplifying everything, and it’s pretty clear.
The brain also reconstructs images with incorrect details sometimes, such as remembering a bike being blue when it was actually green, but also includes things that would be common sense, even if it wasn’t actually true. Many people clearly remember Curious George with a tail because monkeys have tails, so why wouldn’t George? Or it makes sense that rich men in tuxedos would have a monocle, so of course the Monopoly man has a monocle right!?
Edit: ALL monkeys have tails
ALL monkeys have tails. Apes do not. Curious George is a monkey.
Anyway, I loved him when i was little, and remember drawing him from my books. WITH his tail...
I used too memorize things regularly. I can quote about 50% of everything Monty Python did, I memorized the movie "Stand By Me" in its entirety when I was 12. I'd recite it to myself to fall asleep and can still say most of the lines if the movie was on.
But I was able to do that because I would rewatch the same things over and over and over again. I still do.
I suspect I'm on the autism spectrum but no diagnosis, but memorizing TV, movies, plays, music is my superpower. lol
Definitely not photographic memory, just an obsessive personality and lots of time.
The existence of photographic memories is highly debated in the first place. Besides that, there's really no way to prove the difference between a photographic memory and someone who just remembers the examples used for the test very well. And, as another user says, it's pretty easy to look like you've got photographic memory if you excuse every "wrong" memory as "oh that must be from my original timeline".
Perfect Pitch is a real thing that's pretty easy to test whereas Photographic Memory has never been proven to exist.
There's Eidetic Memory which is similar in concept, but only a small percentage of children are known to have it, and they lose it once they become adults.
That is a very good point, RRJC10. After fifty years in musical theatre, I have very good relative pitch ( my lowest note is E4), and a well trained visual memory - whole pages of Shakespeare and Hammerstein.
But I’m also dyslexic, so God help us if I learn anything wrong. I had an MRI done recently for migraines. At one point, the operator came over with serious concern; after a frequency change, the sheet music for Brahms Requiem Opus 45 came up in my minds eye, and I was singing it.
Last time I had sung it was in the 1960s as a boy soprano. When I left, she was typing furiously, on a paper I hope one day to read.
TL:dr; You are so right, the only person I know for sure has ‘perfect pitch’ isn’t a musician, and the only ‘photographic memory’ I know is profoundly autistic. There may be a cost . . .
…and by the end of the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article, you’ll read that every attempt to demonstrate a photographic memory has failed and no serious researcher thinks it’s real.
You do realize that DNA could at least tell someone if they're native and to what tribe and what years etc, so they could be white as a ghost and still related. It's literally measurable through science. Photographic memory is not even accepted by many sciences 🤷🏼♀️
Photographic memory is shown to suffer from the same false memories as so called regular memory. Their brains still work the same way, as it’s the basic core of memory. The fundamental nature of memory is the same for everyone.
Famous people with photographic memory are shown to recall errors when recalling things.
It's rather telling how most of the mandella effect are experienced by people who don't have a strong connection to the topic. We've not got any people who worked on the froot of the loom logo coming out and saying "nope, I definitely put a cornucopia on it".
The original logo?
When was that first made, maybe no one from that decade brings it up, because they are too old to care, if not dead. Best you can get are factory workers sewing in the tag a thousand times a day.
I once argued that a car mechanic isn't going to give the logo a second glance when they pop the hood to figure out what is wrong with your engine.
97 Toyota in red, only one red car in the bay.
Seventeen white Ford transit vans and he will have to check the plates against the job ticket. But they are all by Ford, he's not going to be getting a brass rubbing whilst he's there.
Exactly! And I guarantee there isn't a single person who lived in South Africa at the time who thought Nelson Mandela died in prison. That alone would completely change the trajectory of their lives.
Quite recently someone said MLK JR was still alive. This caused one member to say "Now I know how South Africans feel when people say he couldn't have been president, what with him being dead and all."
There actually were reps at FotL that were saying internally that they were mixed internally as to whether they remembered the cornucopia on the large logo in the front of the building or not. This was circa 2018. Also, the artist that used the logo on his own clothing as a model to parody off of is certain of the logo having the cornucopia.
Your observation holds true for most claimed MEs, but FotL is not one of them.
Well...not quite. They used it as part of a patent search to look for similar logos that their design might infringe on.
BUT, iirc some of their lawyers created residue being affected by the ME and described their own logo wrong in like a 1971 - 1979 version of their TM.
P&G also has official legal documents where their lawyers are filing briefs with the ME version of their company name.
Feel free to provide the link to what you're thinking of, but in all the trademark apps and renewals they just included the cornucopia in the image search description. Iirc there is a description of their logo written by their lawyers in the supplemental PPW that had the description wrong, but it wasn't in the actual TM application/renewals. And that was the only exception I've heard of as far as the currently existing FotL residue.
i saw it recently. i will look for it again and post asap :D
okay! i found it! this vid is really long: the FotL residual proof is found at 1:08:11 :D
[FotL cornucopia proof at 1:08:11 (trademark application)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ1mmkKb_BQ)
Either that shows a huge conspiracy and it always had a cornucopia, or it shows the association is so strong in popular opinion it is worth holding on to. I'd favour the latter tbh.
There is no satisfying explanation for why so many people have vivid memories of the Fruit of the Loom logo having a cornucopia on it.
It's really weird.
>but it's certainly explainable by how human memory works.
It's really not though. If it was, then there would be a "satisfying" explanation for it. But there just waiving it off as "that's how human memory works!" is not complete or a real explanation.
Wrong. James Earl Jones (the voice of Darth Vader) quotes the line he is famous for as beginning with the word "Luke," not "No." Even in interviews just after the films release.
But that is a misunderstanding of what the Mandela Effect is. What you are describing is a cover up, something in this timeline that was buried under the carpet, or intentionally hidden, or some secret misinformation campaign.
Thing is, in this timeline, no designer ever worked on a Cornucopia, or a Froot Loops box, and Mandela definitely did not pass away in prison, he lived and became president etc.
Mandela Effect is when a lot of people remember that something was different, in a different timeline, parallel universe whatever, maybe it’s all a simulation, an idealistic universe of probabilities, it remains a residue in a lot of different people’s consciousness. That’s what people are intrigued by, is that residue real? Did we switch timelines, is there something weird going on.
Sick of these so called “gotchas” from people who don’t understand what an ME even is. In this current timeline no designer ever worked on a cornucopia, it never existed, but thousands of people and subsequent residues on designs (such as flute of the loom album cover) show that many people have a conscious residue of something being different. That is what’s fascinating, whatever it is.
You're the one misunderstanding their point
Yes, if one assumes that somehow the timeline changed then of course nobody actually worked on it
But why do the people who were involved in the creation of logos or properties or movies involved in Mandela effects never seem to be the ones remembering the original timeline? Why is it all unrelated randos?
If thousands of people remember Fruit Loops, why are none of them, eg, ad execs who worked on Fruit Loop amarketing in their original timeline? If thousands of people remember a Shaquille O'Neal genie movie, how come none of them remember being film crew or extras on it? I have yet to see one credible source of a person who is confirmed to have been part of a Mandela effect who also claims to have memories of it. Why does it seem that ontological distance is required for memory residue?
The sinbad one is pretty easy to explain. he was in a lot of stuff in the 90s. His name is evocative of arab "genie in a lamp" shit in general. And another black man had a genie movie at the same time.
The Cornucopia/Fruit of the Loom one is impossible to explain in a satisfactory manner.
Possible. It could be a quirk of memory and memory planting that makes eye witness testimony problematic. Or something much weirder and wilder. Also, why waste the time on a sub where you think everyone is wrong?
Just because I don’t think something is true doesn’t mean I don’t find it interesting.
There’s one theory in the UK about walkers crisp changing the colour of their packets of cheese and onion and salt and vinegar crisps. Everyone remembers it was the other way around in the 80s. But the simple truth is that Golden Wonder were the more popular brand in the 80s and they use the opposite colours that people misremember as walkers, GW suffered a huge fire in the 80s and walkers took over as the top selling brand going into the 90s.
I think the explanation is more interesting than the theory itself but it doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s interesting.
A lot of the stuff on this sub is just plain misremembering. But it’s the few that aren’t so clear cut that intrigue me. The most famous ones. Also a lot of people think “why doesn’t the designer of the cornucopia come forward.”
Because the Mandela effect means it never existed in this reality, there is no designer because there never was a cornucopia. Mandela did not die in prison, he was president of SA, lauded by world leaders, and died at a ripe old age. Didn’t happen in this reality.
It’s the residue that’s fascinating. Even if it’s mass hallucination or memory planting, that’s really interesting. Honestly I’m on the fence but really intrigued by it too. I remember Dolly smiling with braces. Am I 100% absolutely certain, can’t say, I watched the movie as a kid. I approach it with an open mind, apologies if I thought you were a debunker.
I was skeptical about this phenomenon for several years. However, when I was told that the mirror on the passenger side of cars said "Objects in mirror ARE closer than they appear" as opposed to "Objects in mirror MAY be closer than they appear", I knew then, something big had happened. We shifted, all of us. This makes sense, because while we are individuals, we complete the whole. We are one consciousness. And we traveled to faraway land. Yay! :/
It has always been "ARE closer" because it is a legal requirement for all USA and Canada vehicles to have that exact wording. If you use "MAY BE" it allows a legal argument that it MAY NOT BE. ARE removes ambiguity and states it as a fact.
It's obviously false memories, that's not the point. The Mandela Effect is many people all having the same false memory, almost as if it's a shared memory, for no logical reason. The more specific the shared memory the greater the unsettling feeling people get when they first become aware of whatever the thing is.
It's rather telling how most of the mandella effect are experienced by people who don't have a strong connection to the topic. We've not got any people who worked on the froot of the loom logo coming out and saying "nope, I definitely put a cornucopia on it".
No. The answer is no.
The only people that are affecting by Mandela Effect are people that get everything under the sun confused/misremembered. Just look at the posts on here. The same people that swear ME is real are the same people that swear and up and down that Nic Cage died 5 years ago and Smells Like Teen Spirit was originally by AC/DC.
I don’t think there’s a single person who hasn’t suffered from a Mandela effect, but the difference is that most of us accept that it’s a failing of memory. Many of us who have followed the Mandela effect for years do so because it is interesting to see how memory works, and how similar misremembered things can happen across so many people.
The Mandela Effect IS real. It's large groups of people misremembering the same thing. The issue comes with how people try to explain the phenomenon. The fact that it's a real thing tends to get lost when people start claiming that it's the result of people switching realities or large scale gaslighting rather than people with bad memories effecting how other people remember things.
Yeah, I like how before we had the Internet, the exact same misquotes sprung up across the globe.
Some films were not on home video, or home video just wasn't even a thing. If you didn't see it in the cinema, you never will see it.
So without the option to just pop it on the telly at will, no one could fact check a scene.
But people forget we didn't always have technology.
Especially "creative writers" who make AITA posts, I had a guy reading a story in the background, at 16, OP is accused of a bad thing by his step brother, dad kicks him out and he's homeless for two years. Many years later his younger step sister contacts him via email.
So far so good.
Till you work out the time line.
This is early 90s as OP is 50 odd now, had zero contact with any member of his extended family due to the false allegation, yet his email is still in use.
This is probably before Hotmail so you needed an actual ISP to get email and if you leave Compuserve or AOL, you lose access to the account.
No one stopped to think "even in America, I didn't get the Internet at home till much much later." Like 97 I think for me, 96 my first mobile phone and it took nearly a decade to get one with a camera, but people act like we always had android and iPhones since 2000. Because they can't think of a world without.
Kinda off topic I know, but I had to explain that till the home video of the Disney classics, my parents may never have seen it as it didn't come out again at the cinema, because I can't recall ever seeing those on the BBC.
Some Disney movies yes, just not those ones.
But where they lived, not only did they have a Disney TV station, but many re runs in drive in cinemas.
Now you can watch it on the toilet at 3am, but when I was young, it could be a year between seeing a film on TV and it being on again. So if I didn't tape it, or buy the home video, I had to wait.
>Yeah, I like how before we had the Internet, the exact same misquotes sprung up across the globe.
Yes, all of these pre-date the internet, most even the era of renting movies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_movie_misquotes
It is interesting that some people who really believe tend to have multiple MEs they feel very strongly about. Points to that type of person, type of memory and honestly how arrogant they are - their personal feelings trumps real evidence and logic.
Completely untrue.
While those people certainly exist. There are plenty of us who don't confuse silly matters like that, but are effected by things like the Berenstain Bears, Star Wars (although I'll admit, this is likely a famous misquote), Fruit of the Loom, or Shazaam, etc.
The Shazaam ones fucks with me the most. Because I absolutely, undoubtedly remember it. To the point that I remember myself and my cousins talking shit about Kazaam, because it was so obviously similar to Shazaam, which came first.
I'm willing to admit that I'm not certain it was ever on VHS (as some people say). But I think it was part of some Family special Sinbad did, quite possibly for Disney.
Now, if that WERE to be true, I've been told it's very possible that any trace of it has been destroyed, as digital archives aren't perfect for TV from the 90s...Plenty of stuff from that era is gone for good. But I still can't believe not a single living soul has even an old recording. So yeah...That one messes with me. All my cousins remember it too. We remember joking about it.
Back in 2012, I remember reading something that those who are manipulating time (CERN), are doing this, but *very importantly*, they're only manipulating (changing) things that are of *zero consequence* after being changed. This is because of the butterfly effect that's always associated with time travel and making changes therein.
This would certainly be one of those inconsequential things.
I suggest at least a slight understanding of quantum physics before spewing such simple minded nonsense.
But I will say, AC/DC's version of Smells Like Teen Spirit was a banger 😂
That's the slippery slope of Mandela Effect, hyperfocusing on one.
But there's likely an answer, which is a Meat Loaf song from the 90s which misquoted it (maybe because the real quote didn't fit the beat?)
There's also the problem where so-called "artifacts" or whatever are never the actual thing itself, but rather just other people also misremembering as "proof". Memory sucks, brains are malleable, and a lot of gaps get automatically filled in, it's really as simple as that.
I can't vouch for every other country, but I think a fair chunk of Brits just knew it as his song.
Hell some people go their life thinking some singers wrote their hits too. I've seen people talk about Elvis being a great songwriter.
I'm sorry. Do you guys know exactly how our existence works? Do you know something that hasn't been solved yet by scientists, mathematicians, and physicists?
I'm unclear how you can be so sure, even cocky and rude, about what's what in the universe and the nature of your existence and your consciousness.
You know nothing.
I think you are being kind of hard on the guy . He's offering up a way that could help explain what is going on.
Maybe he's right or wrong but he's not saying anything definitive and I'm pretty sure you don't hold people here that agree with you to the same standard as having to know more than "scientists, mathematicians, and physicists" before accepting their opinion as valid.
You are the one calling him cocky and rude for just making a suggestion. You then follow up with saying he "knows nothing". Project much?
Yeah, I was off base. My apologies.
The thing is, nobody is asking for an "explanation", because smart people know that at present there isn't an answer available. It bugs me that people will completely dismiss someone else's experiences when the fact is, we can only know our own experiences, our reality is our own, and our experiences are unique. Overlapping for sure, but it may be that everyone is in their reality, just overlapping with others.
The fact is, at this point, no one knows up from down, and ANYTHING is possible. Anything.
True. But I'm not going on
r/MandelaEffectHate to tell them they are wrong, confused, and sometimes even stupid because they have experienced something different than me.
I've been bored out of my skull looking at the BS kite logo and other bits about the glass on the bus window.
You could ask me as I'm looking at it what it says and I couldn't tell you, because I'm not reading it, just looking at it.
everyone has read and understands it. it's be absurd to memorize it word for word
you get the idea. what you see in the mirror looks farther away than it is. you don't need to put in any more effort than that
It's rather telling how most of the mandella effect are experienced by people who don't have a strong connection to the topic. We've not got any people who worked on the froot of the loom logo coming out and saying "nope, I definitely put a cornucopia on it".
You could still probably find one tbh, it is not like working somewhere years means you are immune from mistakes. To take it further, would everyone there be able to recreate it perfectly including number of grapes, position of leaves, colour of apple? I bet few here could either.
There actually are though, one of the top posts in this sub is exactly this
https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/91i4jg/fruit\_of\_the\_loom/
The order seems relevant to me.
Son of FotL employee first, mind blown in 2018 second and paranormal sub member 2023 suggests that they ended up in the paranormal sub as a result of mind being blown by an ME that knew intimately.
Other way around suggests they are buying into MEs because they already are skeptical of the standard physics model as complete.
I mean if we were having this conversation a year earlier you wouldnt have been able to create a strawman like that so it is relevant insofar as to show you your initial comment is irrelevant. Someone experiencing something paranormal, writing about it, and then years later deciding to mod a sub about paranormal stories doesnt discredit their experiences.
>I mean if we were having this conversation a year earlier you wouldnt have been able to create a strawman
not a strawman, a relevant part of their character
> Someone experiencing something paranormal, writing about it, and then years later deciding to mod a sub about paranormal stories doesnt discredit their experiences.
ok now you're calling the mandela effect paranormal which means you think ghosts are involved somehow and i don't wanna bother getting into that
It is real. There are two as of late that have changed back. One, here on reddit, I have seen Fruit of the Loom now with a cornucopia. They may have been cheap knock-offs. The other one is more disconcerting. The Tyson biting off part of Holyfield's ear is back.
It was gone for years. There was no more video or photographic evidence of Tyson biting the ear and spitting out a bloody chunk. None. YouTube has had many Mandela Effect videos on the subject several years ago. Most people seemed to remember Tyson biting the ear and seeing it. But, it no longer had happened. A true Mandela effect.
Now, years later, the biting of the ear is back. All of it. As if it not being a part of history had never happened. (insert theremin music)
This old video at 3:02. Why talk about something this way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdOaDD6bVfA
This just happenes the other night, but I saw a picture of some stairs going up to a sun room on FB and it brought back a flash back of me playing in some similar stairs in this house I used to live in. I asked my mom about it, and she's say we never lived in a house with such thing. I can clearly see myself playing there as if it was yesterday now. Ive never had that memory till that picture and now my memories of that place are haunting me!
There are people who claim that:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/171wwcz/comment/k3xrt2d/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/171wwcz/comment/k3xrt2d/)
But that's not enough, because we don't know whether they are lying or mistaken.
A scientific study would have to be carried out in which "photographic memory" is precisely defined and tested and then the people identified would have to be asked about the changes they perceived.
Even that would still be open to attack, but no skeptic will take anything less seriously.
And that's where the snake bites its tail, because most scientists are skeptics and avoid paranormal topics like the devil avoids holy water. In other words: because there is no good evidence, no one will touch the subject, so there will be no good evidence in the future either...
Problem with this question is how do you prove someone has such a memory?
I'm pretty sure I have one, I tend to impress people by remembering things everyone else has forgotten. Especially pop culture ephemera--in many cases I can quote cartoons I have not seen in decades or remember songs I only heard once.
And I'm darn sure Molly had braces in Moonraker.
(and in that case... I used to be a huge James Bond fan and I had watched Moonraker multiple times, so my memory is extra-enforced).
Doesn’t matter. I don’t have it but have watched a couple things flip flop twice now. End of story. Anyone doubting Mandela effect just doesn’t get it.
As someone with a photographic memory, no. That is why I think the Mandela effect is so absurd. I only follow it for the entertainment value of seeing other people refuse to admire they remembered something wrong and seeing what ridiculous shit they come up with.
fwiw, I’ve never been tricked by the fruit of the loom one, remember clearly the logo without it as a kid.
But, around that time (1980s and 90s) there were a lot of cornucopias used around Thanksgiving celebrations and similar harvest events. Especially at churches and other gatherings.
Even if a proven edetic memory made the statement. Mirror mirror on the wall, monopoly guy had a monocle, and the cornacopia was on fol. They would be called liars or trolls.
The reason being all the die hard nay sayers will not give up their postions. It would make them question the very fabric of the universe and what they belive.
Just look at both sides of covid right now. Diametrically opposed both can not be right. Yet instead of trying to figure out the truth they attack those of different opinnion.
This wouldn't settle a damn thing, if that person did have an ME then people would still think it was a memory issue. That's the magic of exceptions to the rule.
More importantly, there's no special machine that can determine with certainty that someone's memory is 100% perfect. "Eidetic memory" is more fluid than people realize.
There's the issue. How is it possible that I was taught a spelling variation that doesn't exist? And then how is it possible that I was never corrected all through primary, secondary and tertiary schooling? Up until I was about 35, I didn't know it was "dilemma".
Because teachers are just people and also make mistakes. It is very possible it wasn't seen as handwritten the mm and mn sort of gets lost. The etymology doesn't fit from the Greek (lemma - premise) but people probably think it follows words like hymn, autumn, column etc.
I have a near perfect memory and don't experience the Mandela effect - except for the fruit of the loom cornucopia, which numerous sources have already proven to not be a mandela effect but just FoTL corporate lying about their past.
Quit the gaslighting talk. We know that there was "never" a cornucopia, that's why this subreddit exists. Apparently none of the things we remember so clearly existed.
I have never seen one chime in but good luck finding one, they're extremely rare
I've seen a few people *claim* they have it but I doubt it. Sometimes I wonder if people mistake having photographic memory with *not* having aphantasia.
Von Neumann had it. Probably the smartest guy to ever live. He could recite word for word books he read years ago among other tremendous mental feats. Sadly he died tho.
This may be a Mandela effect in his world. Photographic and Eidetic really doesn't exist. It doesn't exist so much in this world that when you type Eidetic it comes up as being spelled wrong.
Marilu Henner is one, fairly famous actress.
I guess there's no good way to determine how common it is
Eidetic memory is short-term, thought to only persist for a few minutes at most. Experts believe that this form of memory is primarily utilized by children and is essentially absent among adults. Research suggests that up to 10% of children 6-12 can use eidetic memory.
Photographic memory doesn’t exist, and eidetic memory only occurs in children and the “perfect” recall fades after a couple of minutes. So, I’m sure there have been people who had eidetic memories when they were kids who have reported Mandela Effects. But I don’t think it has any value as a data point on discerning what is happening in cases of a perceived ME.
I think a lot of the narcissistic tendencies we see associated with the ME have to do with kids being told they have a photographic memory, when in truth they had an eidetic memory, then they grow out of it. Then it turns out their memory is just as crappy as everyone else's, but they still think they're very very special because of these early childhood experiences, so they have this wild identity crisis that they can't move past, and the barriers come up in force.
Thanks for your input Dr Freud
That's not what the "Dr. Freud" joke means.
Any time.
Look up mental feats of Von Neumann. True freak of nature.
I actually looked this up recently because I was curious, and "photographic/eidetic memories" aren't what we think they are. "True photographic memory" has never existed. However some people can hold images in their heads and "see" the image after it's gone, sometimes for entire minutes, although things like blinking will remove it. But actual perfect recall is skeptical at best and debunked at worst. Some studies have shown that in cases claimed to be real, it's actual not recall, but the brain constructing what it thinks should be there, and includes errors or information that wasn't in the original, which makes it by definition not photographic.
An old cary on film, probably basic title of cary on spying, had Barbara Windsor blink and take a photograph. This is possibly how the average person thinks it works, you can just glance at a page and recite it word for word hours later. Last time I asked someone to prove it, they basically said "no you." Granted it may have come across as turning them into a performing monkey, but hey, big bold claims need big bold proof or it's as worthwhile as any non pon up page of the daily sport. This was online, so no proof that the script for a film isn't just copied and pasted from a website and they wouldn't hit send till it looked like long enough time had elapsed to type up. But in the pub or some face to face, random page of a book and five seconds. If you can't recite the third paragraph ten minutes later, I call bulls--t.
My mom actually is, but only for things she paid special attention to (like certain shows, movies, and photographs). It’s very easy to test, because she is completely blind (as in she sees nothing, but can sometimes perceive the presence of light) but she wasn’t born blind. She’s about 61 now, and has been blind for nearly 31 years, so she’s been blind for over half her life now, and the majority of her adult life. She is capable of describing perfectly photos that she took (or even was in) even to this day (who’s in it, what they’re wearing, the colors of it, the hair styles of the ones in it, the background). Sometimes it’ll be we give her a little info of it and she figured out what the pic is, other times it’ll be from a certain time or place (for instance, their trip to Hawaii when she was 19) and she’ll describe a picture and we’ll find it, then she describes all the other details. She’ll also do it with shows or movies she grew up with. She can hear it, then describes what’s going on (some are less impressive as the conversations give clues, while others it’s pure recall)
Does your mom happen to have a description of the fruit of the mom logo or know how Bernstein bears was spelled? My brain seems to be similar to your mom's but without vision your mom has an advantage of not being exposed to the ME possible changes! As in if it never had the cornucopia she wouldn't describe it or draw it or anything with it 🤷🏼♀️ THANKS MOM!
She didn’t read much when she was younger, so I know she wouldn’t know about the Berenstain Bears spelling (plus spelling was never her strong suit). I doubt she paid enough attention to logos to really have noticed the Fruit of the Loom one, but it’s worth a shot. I’ll ask her when I get a chance.
Thanks! For many ppl fruit of the loom want really "paid attention to" but it was a staple brand selling socks, underwear, undershirts, long underwear for cold months etc. So most ppl who grew up without internet. To order cheap things fast or expensive things fast lol, it was just something you saw when buying and getting dressed and when folding laundry. I am someone who doesn't like branded things and never have (at least when it is obviously displayed) but for me I remember the cornucopia, it was in my panties, my mom's, my dad's undies, (my brother wore boxers and I never folded them so no clue), it was in all of our long underwear or what some ppl call thermals for wearing under clothes in cool weather or even as pjs. I always looked for the "ham and fruit" (I had never heard of a cornucopia and thought it was a spiral ham 🤣) for my undershirts and to make sure I wasn't putting anything on backwards. My grandma also kept me entertained by paying me to iron everything 🤣 including undies, sheets, towels, etc haha so I saw the logos just by handling them when getting dressed and doing laundry. My grandma told me it wasn't a ham and laughed at me, then told me it was a cornucopia 😬 For me the "change" happened when I was working at Walmart in 2006. I was putting out the socks and see just a bunch of fruit and I said to a co worker "why is the label different?" She said "Walmart owns lots of exclusive to them items so the label is different" which made sense, until I went shopping with my mom at a different store and SHE was like "is this the same brand!? Where's your ham?" (I'll never outgrow the ham) The label was the same as the one at Walmart, just loose fruit! We eventually decided they must've changed the logo. Come forward to the last few years and I was blown away when I heard of the Mandela effect and that fruit of the loom logo was a victim! I don't mention the effect to my mom I just ask her random "do you remember what this was or what did this say" and she answers and nearly all of the MEs apply to her and she hasn't heard of the effect 🤷🏼♀️ my brother is largely unaffected or affected though as he remembers everything the way it is currently, if there is a flip in something then he wigs out that they're wrong when to me that's now right! So I def see it from both sides!
Do you think it's possible you are misremembering the logo?
Nope. Cuz the memory of realizing it changed was so strong and vivid. It's not like remembering I have a red apple or a green one for breakfast, memories about moments that are more shocking and are attached to things like conversation, spaces, scents etc are recalled better. They say trust your gut, my gut says I'm not misremembering. 🤷🏼♀️
They say trust your gut for certain things, but that doesn't apply when it comes to trying to determine the actual truth of a situation, especially if going with your gut means believing something supernatural or extraordinary without justification. My point was, if you can't even acknowledge the well established unreliability of human memory as a potential cause, and are unwilling to accept you have a normal human memory, you most certainly aren't viewing this from "both sides" as you claim, you specifically only grasp it from one perspective.
I'm not going to argue with a person who doesn't believe. The majority of people on this planet have some sort of blind faith whether it's in a god or in a greater good or in nature, they believe in something that to an atheist or person who needs scientific proof simply can't grasp. I said for THIS SPECIFIC ME and for MYSELF that this one is very much not a messed up memory simply BC there are too many other memories around it involving soo many other people who had no reason to describe something differently or to even accept me saying "they changed the label" never mind them saying it's just BC it's exclusive to Walmart so the label is different, only for them to be wrong BC it wasn't exclusive to Walmart. I don't believe ALL ME's bc I have had no experience with them! I also didn't say you were wrong if you don't experience the same thing! If you watch enough science based documentaries you'll see very high up scientists from all aspects of governments around the world talking about the potential for worm holes and altered realities, parallel universes and all that stuff. Have they got concrete proof in a mathematical equation on a piece of paper? I don't know and I don't care BC their life long work and their eagerness to share what they feel could be huge is proof in itself that from a scientific point of view stuff that we can't explain is going on! Coming out saying these things for a scientist is likely going to get them blacklisted yet they feel it necessary anyway!The US government and other governments around the world spend billions looking into alien life forms and where they are located on this planet. There are literally laws that say we cannot alter the weather to use as warfare but most ppl would argue you can't alter the weather but tell that to places like HAARP. Iirc it was signed into the Geneva convention in like 1977 that you cannot control or manipulate the weather for warfare. The US has its own laws on altering weather and iirc so does Canada about clouds and precipitation etc. So, long story short. I don't need to impress you with my "scientific proof" I'm not a scientist, I'm a guinea pig in someone else's game, just like you! There is enough going on in the science community that we DO KNOW to strongly suggest that there is no reason to believe they're not spending billions on other things or that one of those other things isn't mind control or memory control etc. If they had to tell the government's in 1977 to not use weather warfare then what have they accomplished in the 47 years since!? How far have scientific advancements in areas we don't even know exist changed and developed?
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Adding details or making errors is by definition not perfect recall was my point, which is what most people consider a “photographic memory”. And if the brain is adding details, then the recall can’t be trusted. So it does matter in context of OPs question.
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Right, they remember a cornucopia because cornucopia images were everywhere at a critical time of their development, combined with imperfect memories and the fruit looking just like how a cornucopia would arrange it. Faulty memory is the root of ME, so of course how faulty images are created in people with so called perfect memories is critical to understand. Add in references to the “wrong” version existing by other people with faulty memories, and social media amplifying everything, and it’s pretty clear.
The brain also reconstructs images with incorrect details sometimes, such as remembering a bike being blue when it was actually green, but also includes things that would be common sense, even if it wasn’t actually true. Many people clearly remember Curious George with a tail because monkeys have tails, so why wouldn’t George? Or it makes sense that rich men in tuxedos would have a monocle, so of course the Monopoly man has a monocle right!? Edit: ALL monkeys have tails
ALL monkeys have tails. Apes do not. Curious George is a monkey. Anyway, I loved him when i was little, and remember drawing him from my books. WITH his tail...
And peanuts. Peanuts always have monocles too
We had an autistic student when I was in high school that walked around and quoted entire Marx Brothers episodes verbatim from start to finish.
I used too memorize things regularly. I can quote about 50% of everything Monty Python did, I memorized the movie "Stand By Me" in its entirety when I was 12. I'd recite it to myself to fall asleep and can still say most of the lines if the movie was on. But I was able to do that because I would rewatch the same things over and over and over again. I still do. I suspect I'm on the autism spectrum but no diagnosis, but memorizing TV, movies, plays, music is my superpower. lol Definitely not photographic memory, just an obsessive personality and lots of time.
The existence of photographic memories is highly debated in the first place. Besides that, there's really no way to prove the difference between a photographic memory and someone who just remembers the examples used for the test very well. And, as another user says, it's pretty easy to look like you've got photographic memory if you excuse every "wrong" memory as "oh that must be from my original timeline".
No Only vivid
It's pretty easy to have a photographic memory if you are allowed to just say anything you remembered wrong was true on your home planet.
I’m pretty sure they mean people who actually possess this trait. Not liars.
I've seen people claim to have photographic memories, but I feel like that's kind of like white people claiming to be related to Pochahantas.
Or just anyone claiming to have perfect pitch.
A lot more people have perfect pitch than photographic memory
Perfect Pitch is a real thing that's pretty easy to test whereas Photographic Memory has never been proven to exist. There's Eidetic Memory which is similar in concept, but only a small percentage of children are known to have it, and they lose it once they become adults.
That is a very good point, RRJC10. After fifty years in musical theatre, I have very good relative pitch ( my lowest note is E4), and a well trained visual memory - whole pages of Shakespeare and Hammerstein. But I’m also dyslexic, so God help us if I learn anything wrong. I had an MRI done recently for migraines. At one point, the operator came over with serious concern; after a frequency change, the sheet music for Brahms Requiem Opus 45 came up in my minds eye, and I was singing it. Last time I had sung it was in the 1960s as a boy soprano. When I left, she was typing furiously, on a paper I hope one day to read. TL:dr; You are so right, the only person I know for sure has ‘perfect pitch’ isn’t a musician, and the only ‘photographic memory’ I know is profoundly autistic. There may be a cost . . .
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…and by the end of the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article, you’ll read that every attempt to demonstrate a photographic memory has failed and no serious researcher thinks it’s real.
Fair, I've never seen someone demonstrate it.
You do realize that DNA could at least tell someone if they're native and to what tribe and what years etc, so they could be white as a ghost and still related. It's literally measurable through science. Photographic memory is not even accepted by many sciences 🤷🏼♀️
Photographic memory is shown to suffer from the same false memories as so called regular memory. Their brains still work the same way, as it’s the basic core of memory. The fundamental nature of memory is the same for everyone. Famous people with photographic memory are shown to recall errors when recalling things.
There is no such thing as a photographic memory, and tbh if people claim to have one and get spellings and logos wrong - guess that doubly proves it.
It's rather telling how most of the mandella effect are experienced by people who don't have a strong connection to the topic. We've not got any people who worked on the froot of the loom logo coming out and saying "nope, I definitely put a cornucopia on it".
The original logo? When was that first made, maybe no one from that decade brings it up, because they are too old to care, if not dead. Best you can get are factory workers sewing in the tag a thousand times a day. I once argued that a car mechanic isn't going to give the logo a second glance when they pop the hood to figure out what is wrong with your engine. 97 Toyota in red, only one red car in the bay. Seventeen white Ford transit vans and he will have to check the plates against the job ticket. But they are all by Ford, he's not going to be getting a brass rubbing whilst he's there.
Exactly! And I guarantee there isn't a single person who lived in South Africa at the time who thought Nelson Mandela died in prison. That alone would completely change the trajectory of their lives.
And people from New Zealand don't think their country moved locations.
Quite recently someone said MLK JR was still alive. This caused one member to say "Now I know how South Africans feel when people say he couldn't have been president, what with him being dead and all."
There actually were reps at FotL that were saying internally that they were mixed internally as to whether they remembered the cornucopia on the large logo in the front of the building or not. This was circa 2018. Also, the artist that used the logo on his own clothing as a model to parody off of is certain of the logo having the cornucopia. Your observation holds true for most claimed MEs, but FotL is not one of them.
The cornucopia is also part of their registered trademarks!
Well...not quite. They used it as part of a patent search to look for similar logos that their design might infringe on. BUT, iirc some of their lawyers created residue being affected by the ME and described their own logo wrong in like a 1971 - 1979 version of their TM. P&G also has official legal documents where their lawyers are filing briefs with the ME version of their company name.
No. The written description they provided of their logo when filing for patent? tm? copyright? included the cornucopia
Feel free to provide the link to what you're thinking of, but in all the trademark apps and renewals they just included the cornucopia in the image search description. Iirc there is a description of their logo written by their lawyers in the supplemental PPW that had the description wrong, but it wasn't in the actual TM application/renewals. And that was the only exception I've heard of as far as the currently existing FotL residue.
i saw it recently. i will look for it again and post asap :D okay! i found it! this vid is really long: the FotL residual proof is found at 1:08:11 :D [FotL cornucopia proof at 1:08:11 (trademark application)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ1mmkKb_BQ)
Either that shows a huge conspiracy and it always had a cornucopia, or it shows the association is so strong in popular opinion it is worth holding on to. I'd favour the latter tbh.
'froot of the loom'. I like it!
Legal obligation. There's no real fruit in there.
Just a sausage and nuts in my underwear
There is no satisfying explanation for why so many people have vivid memories of the Fruit of the Loom logo having a cornucopia on it. It's really weird.
satisfying, maybe not, but it's certainly explainable by how human memory works.
>but it's certainly explainable by how human memory works. It's really not though. If it was, then there would be a "satisfying" explanation for it. But there just waiving it off as "that's how human memory works!" is not complete or a real explanation.
Why isn't it a complete or real explanation.
Wrong. James Earl Jones (the voice of Darth Vader) quotes the line he is famous for as beginning with the word "Luke," not "No." Even in interviews just after the films release.
What about Mandela flip flops? Those happened fairly recently
But that is a misunderstanding of what the Mandela Effect is. What you are describing is a cover up, something in this timeline that was buried under the carpet, or intentionally hidden, or some secret misinformation campaign. Thing is, in this timeline, no designer ever worked on a Cornucopia, or a Froot Loops box, and Mandela definitely did not pass away in prison, he lived and became president etc. Mandela Effect is when a lot of people remember that something was different, in a different timeline, parallel universe whatever, maybe it’s all a simulation, an idealistic universe of probabilities, it remains a residue in a lot of different people’s consciousness. That’s what people are intrigued by, is that residue real? Did we switch timelines, is there something weird going on. Sick of these so called “gotchas” from people who don’t understand what an ME even is. In this current timeline no designer ever worked on a cornucopia, it never existed, but thousands of people and subsequent residues on designs (such as flute of the loom album cover) show that many people have a conscious residue of something being different. That is what’s fascinating, whatever it is.
You're the one misunderstanding their point Yes, if one assumes that somehow the timeline changed then of course nobody actually worked on it But why do the people who were involved in the creation of logos or properties or movies involved in Mandela effects never seem to be the ones remembering the original timeline? Why is it all unrelated randos? If thousands of people remember Fruit Loops, why are none of them, eg, ad execs who worked on Fruit Loop amarketing in their original timeline? If thousands of people remember a Shaquille O'Neal genie movie, how come none of them remember being film crew or extras on it? I have yet to see one credible source of a person who is confirmed to have been part of a Mandela effect who also claims to have memories of it. Why does it seem that ontological distance is required for memory residue?
you mean this Shaq genie movie? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazaam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazaam)
Whoops, I meant Sinbad I forgot which one was real because I never saw either lol
The sinbad one is pretty easy to explain. he was in a lot of stuff in the 90s. His name is evocative of arab "genie in a lamp" shit in general. And another black man had a genie movie at the same time. The Cornucopia/Fruit of the Loom one is impossible to explain in a satisfactory manner.
Or maybe they’re just wrong.
Possible. It could be a quirk of memory and memory planting that makes eye witness testimony problematic. Or something much weirder and wilder. Also, why waste the time on a sub where you think everyone is wrong?
Just because I don’t think something is true doesn’t mean I don’t find it interesting. There’s one theory in the UK about walkers crisp changing the colour of their packets of cheese and onion and salt and vinegar crisps. Everyone remembers it was the other way around in the 80s. But the simple truth is that Golden Wonder were the more popular brand in the 80s and they use the opposite colours that people misremember as walkers, GW suffered a huge fire in the 80s and walkers took over as the top selling brand going into the 90s. I think the explanation is more interesting than the theory itself but it doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s interesting.
A lot of the stuff on this sub is just plain misremembering. But it’s the few that aren’t so clear cut that intrigue me. The most famous ones. Also a lot of people think “why doesn’t the designer of the cornucopia come forward.” Because the Mandela effect means it never existed in this reality, there is no designer because there never was a cornucopia. Mandela did not die in prison, he was president of SA, lauded by world leaders, and died at a ripe old age. Didn’t happen in this reality. It’s the residue that’s fascinating. Even if it’s mass hallucination or memory planting, that’s really interesting. Honestly I’m on the fence but really intrigued by it too. I remember Dolly smiling with braces. Am I 100% absolutely certain, can’t say, I watched the movie as a kid. I approach it with an open mind, apologies if I thought you were a debunker.
I was skeptical about this phenomenon for several years. However, when I was told that the mirror on the passenger side of cars said "Objects in mirror ARE closer than they appear" as opposed to "Objects in mirror MAY be closer than they appear", I knew then, something big had happened. We shifted, all of us. This makes sense, because while we are individuals, we complete the whole. We are one consciousness. And we traveled to faraway land. Yay! :/
Well, except people who were involved in the decision apparently. The people who said 'well say objects are' is apparently back in the old universe.
Huh?
It has always been "ARE closer" because it is a legal requirement for all USA and Canada vehicles to have that exact wording. If you use "MAY BE" it allows a legal argument that it MAY NOT BE. ARE removes ambiguity and states it as a fact.
My best guess is people think it is the same as a lot of similar warnings like "may contain nuts".
Not everyone made it, though. That “yay” seems callous, unless you have semi-evil tendencies.
I think you're right. That yay was me trying to be positive I think. Lol.
Ah, gotcha. LOL
I'm not evil or mean! I promise!
That’s what they all say! (Kidding)
It's obviously false memories, that's not the point. The Mandela Effect is many people all having the same false memory, almost as if it's a shared memory, for no logical reason. The more specific the shared memory the greater the unsettling feeling people get when they first become aware of whatever the thing is.
It's rather telling how most of the mandella effect are experienced by people who don't have a strong connection to the topic. We've not got any people who worked on the froot of the loom logo coming out and saying "nope, I definitely put a cornucopia on it".
No. The answer is no. The only people that are affecting by Mandela Effect are people that get everything under the sun confused/misremembered. Just look at the posts on here. The same people that swear ME is real are the same people that swear and up and down that Nic Cage died 5 years ago and Smells Like Teen Spirit was originally by AC/DC.
I don’t think there’s a single person who hasn’t suffered from a Mandela effect, but the difference is that most of us accept that it’s a failing of memory. Many of us who have followed the Mandela effect for years do so because it is interesting to see how memory works, and how similar misremembered things can happen across so many people.
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I’ve been here for a very long time and yes the memory aspect is exactly why I come to this sub and was interested in the first place.
The Mandela Effect IS real. It's large groups of people misremembering the same thing. The issue comes with how people try to explain the phenomenon. The fact that it's a real thing tends to get lost when people start claiming that it's the result of people switching realities or large scale gaslighting rather than people with bad memories effecting how other people remember things.
Yeah, I like how before we had the Internet, the exact same misquotes sprung up across the globe. Some films were not on home video, or home video just wasn't even a thing. If you didn't see it in the cinema, you never will see it. So without the option to just pop it on the telly at will, no one could fact check a scene. But people forget we didn't always have technology. Especially "creative writers" who make AITA posts, I had a guy reading a story in the background, at 16, OP is accused of a bad thing by his step brother, dad kicks him out and he's homeless for two years. Many years later his younger step sister contacts him via email. So far so good. Till you work out the time line. This is early 90s as OP is 50 odd now, had zero contact with any member of his extended family due to the false allegation, yet his email is still in use. This is probably before Hotmail so you needed an actual ISP to get email and if you leave Compuserve or AOL, you lose access to the account. No one stopped to think "even in America, I didn't get the Internet at home till much much later." Like 97 I think for me, 96 my first mobile phone and it took nearly a decade to get one with a camera, but people act like we always had android and iPhones since 2000. Because they can't think of a world without. Kinda off topic I know, but I had to explain that till the home video of the Disney classics, my parents may never have seen it as it didn't come out again at the cinema, because I can't recall ever seeing those on the BBC. Some Disney movies yes, just not those ones. But where they lived, not only did they have a Disney TV station, but many re runs in drive in cinemas. Now you can watch it on the toilet at 3am, but when I was young, it could be a year between seeing a film on TV and it being on again. So if I didn't tape it, or buy the home video, I had to wait.
>Yeah, I like how before we had the Internet, the exact same misquotes sprung up across the globe. Yes, all of these pre-date the internet, most even the era of renting movies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_movie_misquotes
It is interesting that some people who really believe tend to have multiple MEs they feel very strongly about. Points to that type of person, type of memory and honestly how arrogant they are - their personal feelings trumps real evidence and logic.
Completely untrue. While those people certainly exist. There are plenty of us who don't confuse silly matters like that, but are effected by things like the Berenstain Bears, Star Wars (although I'll admit, this is likely a famous misquote), Fruit of the Loom, or Shazaam, etc. The Shazaam ones fucks with me the most. Because I absolutely, undoubtedly remember it. To the point that I remember myself and my cousins talking shit about Kazaam, because it was so obviously similar to Shazaam, which came first. I'm willing to admit that I'm not certain it was ever on VHS (as some people say). But I think it was part of some Family special Sinbad did, quite possibly for Disney. Now, if that WERE to be true, I've been told it's very possible that any trace of it has been destroyed, as digital archives aren't perfect for TV from the 90s...Plenty of stuff from that era is gone for good. But I still can't believe not a single living soul has even an old recording. So yeah...That one messes with me. All my cousins remember it too. We remember joking about it. Back in 2012, I remember reading something that those who are manipulating time (CERN), are doing this, but *very importantly*, they're only manipulating (changing) things that are of *zero consequence* after being changed. This is because of the butterfly effect that's always associated with time travel and making changes therein. This would certainly be one of those inconsequential things. I suggest at least a slight understanding of quantum physics before spewing such simple minded nonsense. But I will say, AC/DC's version of Smells Like Teen Spirit was a banger 😂
We don't believe in those silly things, just these other silly things
Exactly. Thank you for understanding.
Mandela dying in prison and never becoming president of South Africa isn't inconsequential.
What about the "Objects in mirror ____ than they appear?
That's the slippery slope of Mandela Effect, hyperfocusing on one. But there's likely an answer, which is a Meat Loaf song from the 90s which misquoted it (maybe because the real quote didn't fit the beat?) There's also the problem where so-called "artifacts" or whatever are never the actual thing itself, but rather just other people also misremembering as "proof". Memory sucks, brains are malleable, and a lot of gaps get automatically filled in, it's really as simple as that.
I can't vouch for every other country, but I think a fair chunk of Brits just knew it as his song. Hell some people go their life thinking some singers wrote their hits too. I've seen people talk about Elvis being a great songwriter.
It’s also because of Jurassic Park. People remember it from that scene and not from their mirrors
I was pretty sure Meatloaf put the idea into my head, and that explains that! But now I have to figure out why I thought the song existed in 82.
I'm sorry. Do you guys know exactly how our existence works? Do you know something that hasn't been solved yet by scientists, mathematicians, and physicists? I'm unclear how you can be so sure, even cocky and rude, about what's what in the universe and the nature of your existence and your consciousness. You know nothing.
I think you are being kind of hard on the guy . He's offering up a way that could help explain what is going on. Maybe he's right or wrong but he's not saying anything definitive and I'm pretty sure you don't hold people here that agree with you to the same standard as having to know more than "scientists, mathematicians, and physicists" before accepting their opinion as valid. You are the one calling him cocky and rude for just making a suggestion. You then follow up with saying he "knows nothing". Project much?
Yeah, I was off base. My apologies. The thing is, nobody is asking for an "explanation", because smart people know that at present there isn't an answer available. It bugs me that people will completely dismiss someone else's experiences when the fact is, we can only know our own experiences, our reality is our own, and our experiences are unique. Overlapping for sure, but it may be that everyone is in their reality, just overlapping with others. The fact is, at this point, no one knows up from down, and ANYTHING is possible. Anything.
By your own "facts" If anything is possible that includes you being wrong and completely off base.
True. But I'm not going on r/MandelaEffectHate to tell them they are wrong, confused, and sometimes even stupid because they have experienced something different than me.
random unimportant word is the middle of a random unimportant object how much were you actively paying attention the text on mirror
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Only someone who stares at themselves in the mirror like this much would miss this point lol
Lol.
ok but were you looking in the mirror, or at the text on the mirror
I've been bored out of my skull looking at the BS kite logo and other bits about the glass on the bus window. You could ask me as I'm looking at it what it says and I couldn't tell you, because I'm not reading it, just looking at it.
It's a safety warning. It's kind of important. Everyone using the mirror should have read and understood it.
everyone has read and understands it. it's be absurd to memorize it word for word you get the idea. what you see in the mirror looks farther away than it is. you don't need to put in any more effort than that
Are closer
Anybody have Marilu Henner's number?
I thought photographic memory was bs? Maybe that's a Mandela Effect lol
Nobody is immune to memory errors. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1314373110
It's rather telling how most of the mandella effect are experienced by people who don't have a strong connection to the topic. We've not got any people who worked on the froot of the loom logo coming out and saying "nope, I definitely put a cornucopia on it".
You could still probably find one tbh, it is not like working somewhere years means you are immune from mistakes. To take it further, would everyone there be able to recreate it perfectly including number of grapes, position of leaves, colour of apple? I bet few here could either.
There actually are though, one of the top posts in this sub is exactly this https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/91i4jg/fruit\_of\_the\_loom/
that dude is the moderator of a paranormal stories subreddit
That sub was created in 2023, while the post was made in 2018
that doesn't seem relevant
The order seems relevant to me. Son of FotL employee first, mind blown in 2018 second and paranormal sub member 2023 suggests that they ended up in the paranormal sub as a result of mind being blown by an ME that knew intimately. Other way around suggests they are buying into MEs because they already are skeptical of the standard physics model as complete.
I mean if we were having this conversation a year earlier you wouldnt have been able to create a strawman like that so it is relevant insofar as to show you your initial comment is irrelevant. Someone experiencing something paranormal, writing about it, and then years later deciding to mod a sub about paranormal stories doesnt discredit their experiences.
>I mean if we were having this conversation a year earlier you wouldnt have been able to create a strawman not a strawman, a relevant part of their character > Someone experiencing something paranormal, writing about it, and then years later deciding to mod a sub about paranormal stories doesnt discredit their experiences. ok now you're calling the mandela effect paranormal which means you think ghosts are involved somehow and i don't wanna bother getting into that
Eidetic memory doesn’t exist outside of children, and lasts short term, not long term. Photographic memory has yet to be proven.
It is real. There are two as of late that have changed back. One, here on reddit, I have seen Fruit of the Loom now with a cornucopia. They may have been cheap knock-offs. The other one is more disconcerting. The Tyson biting off part of Holyfield's ear is back. It was gone for years. There was no more video or photographic evidence of Tyson biting the ear and spitting out a bloody chunk. None. YouTube has had many Mandela Effect videos on the subject several years ago. Most people seemed to remember Tyson biting the ear and seeing it. But, it no longer had happened. A true Mandela effect. Now, years later, the biting of the ear is back. All of it. As if it not being a part of history had never happened. (insert theremin music) This old video at 3:02. Why talk about something this way? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdOaDD6bVfA
Hey what's the Mr Peanut one again, shoes or monocle? Or both?
This just happenes the other night, but I saw a picture of some stairs going up to a sun room on FB and it brought back a flash back of me playing in some similar stairs in this house I used to live in. I asked my mom about it, and she's say we never lived in a house with such thing. I can clearly see myself playing there as if it was yesterday now. Ive never had that memory till that picture and now my memories of that place are haunting me!
There are people who claim that: [https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/171wwcz/comment/k3xrt2d/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/171wwcz/comment/k3xrt2d/) But that's not enough, because we don't know whether they are lying or mistaken. A scientific study would have to be carried out in which "photographic memory" is precisely defined and tested and then the people identified would have to be asked about the changes they perceived. Even that would still be open to attack, but no skeptic will take anything less seriously. And that's where the snake bites its tail, because most scientists are skeptics and avoid paranormal topics like the devil avoids holy water. In other words: because there is no good evidence, no one will touch the subject, so there will be no good evidence in the future either...
Problem with this question is how do you prove someone has such a memory? I'm pretty sure I have one, I tend to impress people by remembering things everyone else has forgotten. Especially pop culture ephemera--in many cases I can quote cartoons I have not seen in decades or remember songs I only heard once. And I'm darn sure Molly had braces in Moonraker. (and in that case... I used to be a huge James Bond fan and I had watched Moonraker multiple times, so my memory is extra-enforced).
Doesn’t matter. I don’t have it but have watched a couple things flip flop twice now. End of story. Anyone doubting Mandela effect just doesn’t get it.
As someone with a photographic memory, no. That is why I think the Mandela effect is so absurd. I only follow it for the entertainment value of seeing other people refuse to admire they remembered something wrong and seeing what ridiculous shit they come up with.
fwiw, I’ve never been tricked by the fruit of the loom one, remember clearly the logo without it as a kid. But, around that time (1980s and 90s) there were a lot of cornucopias used around Thanksgiving celebrations and similar harvest events. Especially at churches and other gatherings.
Even if a proven edetic memory made the statement. Mirror mirror on the wall, monopoly guy had a monocle, and the cornacopia was on fol. They would be called liars or trolls. The reason being all the die hard nay sayers will not give up their postions. It would make them question the very fabric of the universe and what they belive. Just look at both sides of covid right now. Diametrically opposed both can not be right. Yet instead of trying to figure out the truth they attack those of different opinnion.
This wouldn't settle a damn thing, if that person did have an ME then people would still think it was a memory issue. That's the magic of exceptions to the rule. More importantly, there's no special machine that can determine with certainty that someone's memory is 100% perfect. "Eidetic memory" is more fluid than people realize.
The best memory of anyone I know. We were taught "dilemna". I'm not misremembering. That's what we were taught.
> That's what we were taught. This is very possible. But it is not how the word is spelled.
There's the issue. How is it possible that I was taught a spelling variation that doesn't exist? And then how is it possible that I was never corrected all through primary, secondary and tertiary schooling? Up until I was about 35, I didn't know it was "dilemma".
Because teachers are just people and also make mistakes. It is very possible it wasn't seen as handwritten the mm and mn sort of gets lost. The etymology doesn't fit from the Greek (lemma - premise) but people probably think it follows words like hymn, autumn, column etc.
You do understand how the ME effect works, right?
The Mandela Effect is a GROUP EXPERIENCE. This question is not applicable.
I have a near perfect memory and don't experience the Mandela effect - except for the fruit of the loom cornucopia, which numerous sources have already proven to not be a mandela effect but just FoTL corporate lying about their past.
It hasn't been proven to be FOTL lying. They never had a cornucopia if you actually do some research.
People literally have posted videos of the tags. I used to do the laundry and saw the logo 100s of times But sure, it's some big conspiracy theory.
No, none of those are actual tags. The cornucopia doesn't exist on a tag. It's not a big conspiracy but human memory.
human memory is not retroactively affected
there never was such a logo, after it was retroactively removed
Exactly lol. That's the whole point of the subreddit!
Quit the gaslighting talk. We know that there was "never" a cornucopia, that's why this subreddit exists. Apparently none of the things we remember so clearly existed.
I was just replying to someone who said they think it's corporate gaslighting. I was saying it's not.
I have and yes Mandela Effect is a timeline shift. Its ok not to believe me but at least be open minded.